Former governor, wishes to remain anonymous! 4500 roses from my garden – 48

From Craigslist:

Former governor (wishes to remain anonymous!) offers 4500 roses from my garden.

Generous benefactor seeks young, struggling college girl or aspiring artist-type.
If you are not in my immediate vicinity, I can pay for the train ride.

Discretion is an absolute must, as this has been a problem in the recent past.

  

 

  • Location: Center of Power

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I’m Singing ‘Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport’ On My Live Cam

Click here to join Holly Randall in my chat room:

guest213:  holly randall is lesbian
guest210:  who gave you that shirt?
YHWH:  luke what sort of trauma has holly randall experienced
YHWH:  only you would know
susie:  i agree with you ElShaddai
guest6677:  xpt psychology session
Emma:  -humming-
guest218:  uh hello is this thing on?
User guest218 left the room.
YourMoralLeader:  http://www.lukeford.net/archives/updates/080320.htm
ElShaddai:  yes we hear you
YourMoralLeader:  my workoout video
Emma:  lol the funky music
guest213:  luke why not move to israel?
User HollyRandall (66.214.93.11) entered the room.
ElShaddai:  I wish all webcams could be like Lukes webcam. It’s filled with love understanding and truth
HollyRandall:  i didn’t realize clicking on this link automatically logs me in
YHWH:  what kind of credentials do you have to show in Israel
User Emma left the room.
ElShaddai:  its really her
ElShaddai:  will they allow you to bring your camz to Israel?
guest221:  its the scammer
YHWH:  some of those israeli sluts are awesome
ElShaddai:  then go forth my son
HollyRandall:  were you singing to me?
HollyRandall:  i don’t have the volume on
guest221:  what happened to lukeford.com    i wonder
YHWH:  a nebbish like you shouldn’t have a hard time find ing a bossy jewish wife to take over your life
YHWH:  sing it out loud luke!
YHWH:  sing from the heart
YHWH:  sing from the diaphragm
HollyRandall:  ok now i know why i don’t have the volume on– that music sounds terrible
HollyRandall:  turning it back off
ElShaddai:  his landlord will think hes got kids in there again
guest213:  he have this song in repeat
YourMoralLeader:  how’s your love life holly? How can I help? Tell me where it hurts
User guest222 left the room.
HollyRandall:  it’s good
HollyRandall:  i had a date with a nice Jewish boy last night
YHWH:  nice
HollyRandall:  we talked about God, marriage, kids, and death all on the first date
HollyRandall:  hahaha
YHWH:  luke you’re a romantic
YHWH:  that’s what every girl wants to hear, conversion
YHWH:  speak up burg
YHWH:  don’t be reticent
User blackbreafs left the room.
YourMoralLeader:  where r u and God these days holy?
YHWH:  tie me moral leader down
ElShaddai:  hahaha at YHWH
HollyRandall:  we’re in talks 😉
HollyRandall:  i’m working on my spirituality
User guest213 changed their name to JesusChrist.
HollyRandall:  i wouldn’t say i’m religious by any means
JesusChrist:  hi luke i am your father
JesusChrist:  come with my to my salvation kingdome
BurgandhisBurgness:  That is Darth´s line.
ElShaddai:  hush Son
JesusChrist:  kingdome
JesusChrist:  kingdong
YHWH:  holly isnt  you mother jewish
YHWH:  i’d swear she was
User guest223 changed their name to JimBXPT.
HollyRandall:  um, no
HollyRandall:  nobody in my family is Jewish
BurgandhisBurgness:  Holly, were you ever asked to piss in Luke´s mouth?
JesusChrist:  Holly are you baptist?
YourMoralLeader:  how many jews have you seduced holly?
HollyRandall:  nah he wasn’t that adventurous
JesusChrist:  lutheran?
HollyRandall:  i don’t know Luke– I never ask someone what their religious denomination is before i take their pants off
JesusChrist:  mormon?
ElShaddai:  can you play Waltzing Matilda next?
YourMoralLeader:  watch your language guys or i’ll have to ban you even if I love you
HollyRandall:  i don’t know exactly what religion my mom was raised in– i don’t think she was raised very religiously
JesusChrist:  who had  bad language?
ElShaddai:  having them drop trou might be a quick way to check Holly
HollyRandall:  hahaha
HollyRandall:  everyone is circumsized these days, so i don’t think that method works
JesusChrist:  euro studs no
User guest224 left the room.
JimBXPT:  Drinking Urine? The beard? For the love of Christ, SOMEBODY confiscate his weapon before he hurts himself!!!!

JesusChrist:  Holly are you baptist?
YourMoralLeader:  how many jews have you seduced holly?
HollyRandall:  nah he wasn’t that adventurous
JesusChrist:  lutheran?
HollyRandall:  i don’t know Luke– I never ask someone what their religious denomination is before i take their pants off
JesusChrist:  mormon?
ElShaddai:  can you play Waltzing Matilda next?
YourMoralLeader:  watch your language guys or i’ll have to ban you even if I love you
HollyRandall:  i don’t know exactly what religion my mom was raised in– i don’t think she was raised very religiously
JesusChrist:  who had  bad language?
ElShaddai:  having them drop trou might be a quick way to check Holly
HollyRandall:  everyone is circumsized these days, so i don’t think that method works
JesusChrist:  euro studs no
ElShaddai:  show us your digeridoo luke
JohnRittersWidow:  how about a few chorus’ of Waltzing Matilda
JohnRittersWidow:  you can march around the room while you sing it
ElShaddai:  A Better World thru Australian Singalongs
RussianDragon:  rolf harris jeez
RussianDragon:  he terrorized me on brittish tv in my youth
YourMoralLeader:  Holly, I wanna redecorate the hovel to look like Studio 54
JohnRittersWidow:   Studio 54….hahahaaaaa The Hovel is smaller than stidio 54’s restroom
HollyRandall:  hot pink would suit you i think
RussianDragon:  HOLLY FOR PRESIDENT
User guest228 left the room.
User JohnRittersWidow left the room.
JesusChrist:  LOLLLLLL!!!!
Hello:  straighten up you books
JesusChrist:  luke what are you doing now? no work?
RussianDragon:  yes your books are falling
guest227:  he is shaming us all
guest221:  hes trying to find out who i am
JesusChrist:  did god dont punish lazy people?
guest227:  blasphemy
guest6677:  he’s providing us with moral leadership
guest227:  dusgrace
guest221:  i dought that
JesusChrist:  waht is yor monthly income now?
YourMoralLeader:  $1200
guest221:  0
guest227:  what about his poor mother?
guest227:  ay yay yay
guest240:  Your a heart wrenching case, Luke
RussianDragon:  i’m getting hunry seeing hilm eat
guest240:  Obviously Judaism has a much richer heritage and culture than Adventism
guest240:  I defied Sister White and bought Bear Stearns. It jumped 90%  today
guest240:  Should I follow Jesus teaching on fiscal responsibility or Sr. White on avoid the stock market? She did say to avoid speculation, didn’t she?
YourMoralLeader:  240, follow the Torah and choose life!
Emma:  I will be putting it up this week sometime Luke..I shall let you know.
guest240:  So was earning 90%  today a sin?
YourMoralLeader:  awesome
YourMoralLeader:  no, it was a blessing from HaShem
YourMoralLeader:  G-d wants you to be rich!
guest240:  Well, Abraham refused to accept the booty from the kings because he wanted it known that his success came from HaShem
guest240:  Do you prefer poverty to a questionable source of income?
guest240:  Rather be a doorkeeper in the house of Hashem than to dwell in the tents of wickedness?
guest240:  Would you consider a former Adventist, Asian, who converted to Judaism, as a wife?
DiscoDuck:  what did you do for purim?
YourMoralLeader:  the usual
YourMoralLeader:  prayer,  food
janice:  hahahahahahahah
janice:  hahahahahahahah
DiscoDuck:  besides getting drunk and waking up next to a young asian boy
janice:  hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
janice:  hahahahahaq
YourMoralLeader:  he was 18
DiscoDuck:  sex?! who was the lucky guy?
janice:  holy moly
DiscoDuck:  at least you wore lamb skin
janice:  bye mr. dragon
YourMoralLeader:  disco, i was doing kiruv
DiscoDuck:  did you dress up aside from your regular wst holyhood outfit?!
YourMoralLeader:  didnt dress up , my choices were too radical — G-d or spitzer
guest240:  Women that I love seem to die unexpectedly
DiscoDuck:  you know what gets me about purim?
guest240:  There was Carol, in Belize
DiscoDuck:  people spend so much on friends with the misloach manos
DiscoDuck:  but they won’t give tot he poor
guest240:  There was Joyce, in Redondo Beach
guest240:  There was Leng Yue in Zhengzhou
guest264:  you that bad a mate 240 that they all preferred death?
janice:  do you kill them 240?
DiscoDuck:  I hate sounding judgemental but poeple are so phony when it comes to mitzvahs at times
guest240:  That’s only three
guest240:  Carol, I expected her to healed by Jesus
janice:  eheheeheh @ 264
guest240:  I travelled across Mexico, expecting to find her rejoicing in Jesus, but she was dead when I got there
guest240:  Shipping her body back to the USA was problematic
YourMoralLeader:  I hate that
YourMoralLeader:  so awkward
guest240:  Corpses don’t travel easily across international boundaries
DiscoDuck:  he’s an ex con mate
DiscoDuck:  look at the pin stripped shirt
guest240:  She won’t be zaftig, unless you get especially lucky
DiscoDuck:  damn scientologists keep sending stuff to my house

SloppyJoe:  The apple does not fall far from the tree
Taylor:   just read your wiki  bit
YourMoralLeader:  is everybody working for the weekend?
Taylor:   some roll way down the hill
SloppyJoe:  Only the ones with worms penetrating them
User guest287 left the room.
SloppyJoe:  What is that horrible music?
SloppyJoe:  Play some Peter Paul and Mary
janice:  i found luke and redemption
SloppyJoe:  Did everyone have a nice Easter?
Taylor:   luke you wanta take my plane and go see janice?
Taylor:   she’s great fun
guest289:  you f**king queer
guest289:  die of aids jew boy
YourMoralLeader:  ya got a plane?
SloppyJoe:  Luke, do a chaver a favor.  If you won’t take up that offer, I will go in your place
guest289:  your jew beard has aids
YourMoralLeader:  I’ll go!
guest289:  like your parents did on their way to the oven
born2lead:  i’m not sure why he referenced the Torah
Taylor:      janice and I ususally go out on thursdays and discuss the torah and have dinner
SloppyJoe:  If you let me go in your staid, I will say a good word about you to the assembled at Zabars
Handful:  You ever coming back to XPT? You are missed
YourMoralLeader:  no
SloppyJoe:  Are you making the money a Jew needs to make to be a Jew?
ChaimAmalek:  Remember, God does not want the chosen few to be poor
janice:  i do have to say that i am happy luke is here
Taylor:       as we all are janice
janice:  i cannot stop smiling!
Taylor:   he’s great isnt he?
janice:  i cannot leave this site
User guest289 changed their name to Nigger.
Nigger:  dumb jew bought one song from itunes
ChaimAmalek:  I make this man the success he is today
Emma:  Well i’m off…just thought id stop by and say I liked your autobiography Luke
Emma:  Bye bye again!
Emma:  hehe
Taylor:   maybe 94 at best
ChaimAmalek:  94?
YourMoralLeader:  thanks
Taylor:   yes 96 was a bad year for AOL
ChaimAmalek:  Luke, should I switch to Prodigy?
User Emma left the room.
Taylor:   lol
ChaimAmalek:  Compuserve costs too much
Taylor:    what year you in now Chaim?
ChaimAmalek:  And my 8086 isn’t fast enough for AOL
ChaimAmalek:  I go all the way back to line editors on the internet
Taylor:     i just put in another 4 mb of memory
ChaimAmalek:  Delphi.
ChaimAmalek:  4MEG?  That’s one long paper tape!
Taylor:   where will it all end
ChaimAmalek:  Holerith cards
ChaimAmalek:  80 characters each card
Taylor:      unbelievable
Taylor:   I just cant keep up

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Memo To Mainstream Media

If you want to constantly attack payday loans, then abandon any pretense to journalistic objectivity. The articles recently published about this matter, all of them vilifying the practice of payday lending, fail even the most basic standards of decent reporting. Where are the testimonies – yes, such accounts readily exist – from people who need these short-term loans? This evidence in support of payday loans, narratives from people of diverse economic backgrounds (additional memo to MSM: payday loans are a source of relief for individuals of all incomes), never seems to make it into articles from, say, the New York Times or Washington Post. The reason: the proverbial media establishment wants to destroy payday lending. Save that agenda for the editorial page. In the meantime, reporters need to uphold the standards of their profession — which means writing balanced pieces that respectfully offer data from the other side. And here’s another "radical" suggestion: newspapers should spend less time on this blatantly political cause, and focus their energy on some genuinely incompetent financial institutions. A crazy idea, I know.

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Come To Me

I’m recreating Studio 54 at the hovel.

I’ve imitated Dudley Moore’s get-up in 1978’s Foul Play.

I’m setting everything up so the men dance on one side of the hovel and the women on the other.

A kosher dress code will be strictly enforced.

Here’s the original version of "Come to Me" by France Jolie.

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Magic Carpet Out Of Business

It’s a kosher Yemenite restaurant on Pico Blvd. I had readers who gave me a combined $1200 tab there. I’ve eaten there about 50 times. I’ve had a ton of dates there. Sometimes they led to great things.

My favorite dish was the melawach (though it was heavy and would sit in your stomach for about eight hours).

The place always seems to be busy but it has closed. Its last night was March 23. The owner is retiring.

Two other kosher restaurants went out of business in Los Angeles in the past two months — Prime Grill and Mamash.

What’s the story with bbc cafe in malibu?  My friend dialed the phone number yesterday and it said it was disconnected.  Are they out of business?  Also, what happened to a place called Greta’s?  Do they still exist?

Around America, synagogues are cutting back on discretionary spending and there’s far less demand for scholars in residence etc.

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Rabbi Aryeh Ben David On God, Prayer And The Good Life

He wrote The Godfile: 10 Approaches to Personalizing Prayer (a book I read twice in a week instead of praying at shul).

We did this interview via email:

LF: What do you mean by this: "Everything that is true (vertically) is also true like this (horizontally)?"

Rabbi: What I meant was that our relationship with Gd (vertical) tends to reflect our relationships with people (horizontal). I don’t have empirical proof for this, it’s something that I have noticed about people, about myself, and simply makes sense to me. Our relationship with Gd is, after all, a relationship. One reason that I kept repeating it in the book was to drive home the awareness that if one relates completely differently to Gd, if one becomes someone else for this relationship, then it seems to me there is something false there, something not coherent with the rest of the person’s life. The goal is not to pray – the goal is to become a ‘prayerful personality,’ to live my prayer, to live my spiritual relationship with Gd. Rav Adin Steinsalz once asked his students in yeshiva “how do you know if you’re becoming more spiritual? What is the test?” He answered – “simply ask your wife if you’re becoming a nicer husband.” I love that answer. The real test is how I live my spirituality.

LF: What percentage of your davening time do you feel any connection to G-d?

Rabbi: On my bad days – brief moments. On my good days – most of davenning. Shabbat davenning is more difficult because it is much longer. I always include time for personal prayer in the davenning, hopefully something that I have never said before, so during that time there is a very close connection. There are a lot of words in the siddur, sometimes several words jump out to me and I just stay with them for as long as I want, then skip to catch up to the community davenning.

LF: What does it mean to have a relationship with G-d? Could you give me something concrete here?

Rabbi: I don’t know if this is concrete – but what comes to me is simply experiencing a connection to something beyond the physical. Something beyond this time and this place, this reality, a meta-physical reality. I think that certain experiences in my life – incredible coincidences, moments that I felt that this could not be happening by chance, opened me up to being aware of Gd’s presence more often. Living in Israel also has helped me.

LF: How important is it to have a relationship with G-d? Why? So long as one observes the commandments, who cares if one has a relationship with G-d? Better to keep the mitzvot and forget about G-d right than remember G-d and forget the mitzvot?

Rabbi: Personally – I didn’t have a relationship with Gd for many of my years living that I was keeping the mitzvoth and don’t think that I was a bad person. Not at all. But in Judaism it is simply difficult to get away from Gd. Gd is all over the Torah, the holidays, the rituals, etc. Once during college I led a seder and made the demand that any place there is an allusion to Gd we skip. We had a 12 minute seder. I would say that one of the unique things about Judaism is that it brings me to have a relationship with Gd, and then to bring this relationship into my life, with other people, and ideally we would create a people that is living in the Image of Gd. The amazing thing about Moses was not that he climbed the mountain, but that he came back down – and brought the experience to the people, who then should bring it to the world. Not by proselytizing, but by example.

LF: Can you give a portrait of the type of person who yearns for a relationship with G-d? Does it mean they are a bit cracked?

Rabbi: I would not say cracked (though there may be crackpots amongst us), but torn. The opponents of Rav Kook referred to him as a “torn soul.” He replied – “of course I am torn, how can anyone not be torn?!” Torn insofar as they are yearning for something more, torn between the physical and metaphysical realities.

LF: What do you think of the aphorism that most people relate to G-d as they relate to their father?

Rabbi: I think that there is a lot to this. But at a certain point in our lives we can choose to change. People leave home both literally and spiritually.

LF: What should one do if one has obscene thoughts during prayer?

Rabbi: Don’t sweat it; don’t waste time feeling guilty about it. It’s hard to stay focused and our minds are always wandering. Perhaps use it as an opportunity to reflect on what is going on, why it happened. Try to bring one’s attention back to prayer.

LF: What does it do to your life to publish a book on prayer?

Rabbi: The process of writing the book helped me because I spent a lot of time thinking, reflecting on the subject, which helped me to personalize the ideas. I am a work in progress. I was continually growing in my relationship with Gd while writing the book, so I needed to continually ‘update’ it. If I were to write the book today it would be different.

LF: A lot of people I know (including me!) feel 100x more spiritual watching Lord of the Rings or listening to their favorite pop song than praying in shul. What do you think of this?

Rabbi: I love the Lord of the Rings and have felt more spiritual doing many things other than shul. Shul serves many purposes, most of them social and communal. In Hebrew it is referred to as a House of Gathering, rather than a House of Prayer. It should certainly never become a substitute for having a spiritual relationship for all of those other moments in our lives. When it works, which may not be that often, it can offer a unique opportunity to connect to Gd. But I would certainly recommend many other things to develop the relationship – including time in nature, meditation, and open, quality conversations.

LF: One problem I have with prayer is if I keep saying these words about fearing G-d and loving G-d and loving Torah etc, I might actually get these qualities and then I’d have to change my life.

Rabbi: I don’t know you well enough to know if this is serious, tongue-in-cheek, both, or what. But guessing that there is some truth to it – I’ll say that for me this has been and often still is a huge issue. Living a spiritual life includes the perspective that while I have free will and should make thoughtful mature decision, I am not completely in charge. I have been put in this world for some reason and purpose that I am invited to discover. I am called to bring something unique into the world, to help heal it. This is the inner voice that Rav Kook talks about. I have both heard it and, on occasion, put it on ‘call waiting’, because of personal fears and insecurities.

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A Christlike Approach To Jewish Law

Donny emails:

Hi Luke! I am an Orthodox convert. I was never involved with Jesus and Christianity. It’s only after converting that I started appreciating what he had to say to the Jews of his time. Based on what I read in Luke 1:68-75, i cannot believe tha he was Messiah (even less the third person of the trinity) but I cannot deny the fact that I do identify with his Halacah and Hashkafa. One example: he was inviting people to practice Hitbodedut (unstructured personal prayer) 2000 years ago, ages before Rabbi Nachman did! Anyways, the point is that I began to feel uncomfortable in a traditional, narrow minded Orthodox setting knowing too well that this stand of mine – for lack of education on this subject – would be totally misunderstood as sort of messianic. I can assure you that this is not the case. It seems you know Jewish Los Angeles pretty well. Is there a shul (I would not consider a reform or conservative or reconstructionist one) where I could fit?

Luke: "What do you think jesus contributed? What insights?"
1) For sure he gave us a great kitzur of prophetic thought, accompanied by a practical demonstration of how to apply it in real life.
2) At a time when people still pretended that in the Temple the sacrificial meat never became putrid or that the wind did not disperse the vertical column of smoke from the altar, he had the courage (despite this wasn’t going to help sociologically) to expose what was actually going on (see Baba Basra about Herod) and try to do something about it.
In others words, I think he taught us that – sometimes – you’ve got to go for it.

I don’t know any Orthodox shuls that will embrace a Jesus-friendly approach to introspection and Jewish law, but if I find one, I’ll let you know!

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Need A Lawyer?

From LaGriffedulion:

In 1988, New York State’s Chief Judge established a committee, The New York State Judicial Commission on Minorities. Its purpose was to study the presence and effects of racism in the state’s courts. Buried in its final 2000-page report was the finding that minorities passed the New York bar exam at significantly lower rates than whites. The commission found that for the period spanning 1985 through 1988, first-attempt pass rates were 31.1 percent for blacks and 73.1 percent for whites. Applying the methods of Appendix A, we translated these pass rates to a corresponding black-white mean difference of 1.11 SD.



   Several years later, commenting on the Commission’s findings, Edna Wells Handy wrote in The New York Law Journal of April 1996, "Determining whether those pass rates have remained constant since the Commission’s report must await the completion and dissemination of the national bar exam study presently being conducted by the Law School Admission Council." Ms. Handy was referring to the most ambitious study of law students ever attempted. The Law School Admission Council is the organization that administers the Law School Admission Test (LSAT). At the time Handy’s article appeared, it was tracking 27,000 students who enrolled in U.S. law schools in the fall of 1991. The students were followed from law school entry to the bar exam. The Council issued its report in 1998, finding that 92 percent of white law-school graduates passed the bar exam on the first attempt, as did 61 percent of black graduates. This implies a black-white mean difference of 1.13 SD.

   The Council also reported the results of repeated attempts at the bar exam. It found that eventually 97 percent of white and 78 percent of black law graduates passed, corresponding to a black-white mean difference of 1.11 SD.

   The one-plus SD gap between black and white lawyers stubbornly refused to go away. Others, however, viewed the Council’s findings differently. "This study strongly refutes the myth that affirmative action policies tend to set students up for failure on the bar exam," hallucinated Henry Ramsey Jr., a retired California state judge and member of the committee that oversaw the study.

   Tamar Lewin, covering the Council’s report for the New York Times, characterized the Commission’s findings as "likely to provide important support for advocates of affirmative action." Her column appeared under the headline: "Minorities Achieve High Success Rate in Bar Exams, Study Says."

   The fact is that affirmative action has stratified the bar by race and ability. Black lawyers lag behind their white colleagues in measured ability by about 1.1 SD. Affirmative action creates a racial gap at law-school entry that never goes away. When entrance credentials are controlled, racial differences mostly vanish. More than 20,000 adult blacks in the U.S. have an IQ of 130 or more, but because of affirmative action, the chance that your black lawyer will be one of them is vanishingly small.

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Need A Doctor?

From LaGriffedulion:

Medical school admission is uncommonly competitive, there being many more applicants than slots. The competition is so intense that if black applicants were held to the same admission standards as whites and Asians, we would turn out almost no black physicians.



   We now have a double standard for admission to medical school brought about by affirmative action. As a result, two tiers of American physicians have emerged separated by race and ability.

 We have seen that law students admitted under affirmative action do not measure up to their white and Asian peers as law-school graduates. Can we say the same for doctors? We will quantify the performance gap for physicians.

   A benchmark for medical competence is the National Board of Medical Examiners (NBME) Exam Part I. Every medical student in the US must pass it to become a physician. Students take the exam two years before graduation. It is one of several ways the profession keeps itself honest. The most comprehensive study of NBME pass rates was published in 1994 by Beth Dawson et al (JAMA 1994 272:9 674-9). The authors examined the performance of every medical student in the US taking the June exam for the first time over the years 1986, 1987 and 1988. Dawson and her colleagues found that white medical students passed the NBME test at a rate of 87.7 percent and blacks at 48.9 percent. Again, using methods described in Appendix A, we found these pass rates equivalent to a black-white mean difference of 1.19 SD. Mean differences for the bar and NBME exams are conspicuously similar. The one-plus SD gap does not yield easily.

   Notably, when Dawson’s study looked at entering students with similar academic credentials, the pass rates on the NBME exam were independent of race, pointing an accusing finger directly at affirmative action. For all its good intentions, affirmative action has created two levels of competence in American medicine, separated by a bit more than one standard deviation. When you are wheeled into the ER at 2:00 a.m., if you pray, pray that the black doctor who greets you entered medical school through the front door.

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American Bar Association Drops All Pretense Of Standards When It Comes To Accrediting Law Schools

Until this year, the ABA required law schools to have at least 70% of their graduates pass the bar or the law school would be placed on probation and be in danger of losing its accreditation.

But this standard resulted in yowling protests from law schools with a lot of students on the low end of The Bell Curve.

Almost all black law schools, for instance, would be shut down under this standard and almost all law schools with a high percentage of black and Hispanic students (they have the lowest rates of passing the bar of any racial group).

Here are the data for California law schools, based on race, sex, and accreditation.

So what happened when standards collided with putative compassion for minorities? Standards lost.

David Bernstein writes on Volokh.com:

One can question whether schools whose minority students pass the bar at rates well below 75% are doing those students much of a favor by accepting them despite low LSAT scores that predict future bar passage issues, taking their tuition money, and then leaving half or more of them without a career as an attorney.

…If they were told, "come here and you have a 35% chance of becoming an attorney," some might still choose to come. But such information is at best obscured, and at worst is blatantly lied about, lest it discourage enrollment. Given that, I’d say on the average if you have the choice of going into or continuing a career in education, business, government, or what have you, you’re likely to be better off doing that then spending up to three years and prodigious amount of money in a likely futile quest to become a lawyer. (Note that be definition, all minority law students are at least college graduates, and thus have whatever career opportunities their college degree would give them, plus alternate graduate school options.) But again, if students were given full information on their statistical chances of success, and chose to pursue that option anyway, I’d defer to their judgment as to what is best for themselves.

…the ABA’s own accreditation guidelines currently prohibit law schools from admitting students who they think won’t succeed in making it through law school and passing the bar. But the guidelines also state that this should not be interpreted in a way to discourage "diversity". So the ABA’s current position is that white students are not to waste their time and energy on law school if they are unlikely to succeed, but law schools are encouraged to essentially defraud minority students.

…When it comes to "diversity" admittees, many students are in fact admitted with LSATs significantly lower than the norm. You can get an idea by reading the district court opinion in Grutter, which recounted the stats at U. Mich., and you can then extrapolate to the pool available to lower-ranked schools. Law schools beyond the top ones (which get the best students of all backgrounds) are aware that if they admit students with an LSAT below "X", the chances of bar passage are very low, and they admit them anyway, to satisfy "diversity" requirements.

…if current practices indeed benefit their supposed beneficiaries, why law schools won’t, and should not be required to, reveal the success rate of these practices.

…I don’t have those numbers; you need the LSAT data for students, and then match it with the bar pass data. The law schools and the state bars could provide this data, but they aren’t telling (see attempt by Sander et al to get the relevant data from the California bar). But I’ve spoken to administrators at several different schools who have acknowledged that there is a score below which they knew that their students start to have real trouble getting through law school and passing the bar. I’ll be happy to join you in lobbying the ABA to require law schools to release this information on publicly available websites, or at least to researchers who can make the data available on websites.

The problem, in any event, is not that law schools are taking in students who have a special story despite their low LSATs that leads the schools to believe that they will "beat the odds." It’s that the ABA has, in effect, required law schools to take in students even when they are reasonable confident they won’t beat the odds, lest they get in trouble for not having sufficient "diversity" in admissions, with the ABA focusing solely on inputs.

As for Michelle Obama, I haven’t heard her story (and I don’t trust politicians’ stories in any event absent independent confirmation), but at least re law school there is an obvious methodological problem with relying on the stories of those who "made it" and not those who didn’t. The former group is, by definition, more successful, and therefore much more prominent and vocal. Those whose promise was set back by wasting three years in law schools and more time futiley studying for the bar tend not to advertise it, and rarely wind up in a position to "be heard" by the legal profession.

Finally, the ABA bars law schools from admitting law students likely to either not succeed in law school or fail the bar, so there is a professional consensus that such prediction is possible, and should be used–but only for non-URMs.

Professor David D. Friedman (Milton Friedman’s son) writes:

It seems to me that there are two different mistakes one would like law schools to avoid:

1. Admitting students who won’t benefit from admission and probably won’t pass the bar, in order to raise the racial diversity of their student body.

2. Rejecting students who will benefit from admission but will still have a lower than average chance of passing the bar, given where they are starting from, in order to raise the school’s bar passage rate.

Hence it seems to me that if you are going to have accrediting standards, they ought to be based on some measure of "value added" rather than "quality of graduates" (as measured by bar passage rates). The fact that a school can get a student who starts at the 99th percentile LSAT to pass the bar isn’t much evidence that it is worth going to.

My conclusion is that if the ABA is going to set standards along these lines they should be based on both bar passage rates and entering LSATs. Ideally, they could run a regression for each state with LSAT as the independent variable, bar passage probability as the dependent variable, and so find, on average, the probability that a student who starts with a given LSAT will end up passing the bar.

Using the results of that regression, they calculate what the bar passage rate ought to be for a given class at a given law school if it is providing an average education. If the actual rate is more than a fixed amount below that, the school doesn’t get accredited.

That way accreditation provides the information that matters to the student–how much more likely am I to pass the bar if I go to this school or that?

Of course, I also have reservations about other parts of the system–but at least, if they are going to do this part, they ought to do it right.

The National Law Journal reported Feb. 4, 2008:

Amid pressure from the U.S. Department of Education, the American Bar Association is poised to tighten a rule that requires law schools to show that they are graduating students who can pass the bar exam.

The ABA is expected to approve the controversial measure at its meeting in Los Angeles from Feb. 6 through Feb. 12, when its House of Delegates will consider a recommendation from the ABA’s legal education section.

The proposed change has drawn sharp criticism, especially from those representing minority law students’ interests. But it is one that the ABA hopes will appease the Education Department, which grants the ABA authority to accredit law schools.

"Under the circumstances, we think it’s fair and appropriate and as good a rule as we could come up with," said Hulett Askew, consultant on legal education to the ABA Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar.

In general, the change would create a quantitative rule requiring law schools to demonstrate that 75% of their graduates passed the bar exam or to show that their pass rates were within a certain range compared with other law schools in the same jurisdiction. The change is technically a new interpretation of an existing accreditation standard. Almost all states require law students to graduate from an ABA-accredited law school in order to obtain a license to practice.

Under the current rule, the ABA does not require law schools to demonstrate a specific pass rate, but instead to show in general that they are preparing students for admission to the bar and maintaining a rigorous academic program.

Approving the change at this month’s meeting is particularly important because the ABA in June will go before the Department of Education, which will consider whether to renew its accrediting authority. The ABA House of Delegates will not meet again until August at its annual meeting.

The Department of Education declined to answer questions for this story.

The ABA and the Department of Education have butted heads in recent years. The department last year did not extend the ABA’s accrediting authority beyond June 2008, partly because of its concern about the ABA’s implementation of a stricter diversity-enrollment standard.

…At a hearing last month before the Accreditation Standards Review Committee about the change, several prominent lawyers and scholars expressed their disapproval. Among them was General Motors North America Vice President and General Counsel E. Christopher Johnson, who argued that a bright-line rule would hurt minority enrollment because it would deter law schools from accepting applicants with lower scores on the Law School Admission Test.

ERH posts on Volokh.com:

Here’s a short list from ILRG of schools that would fail the 75% test.

U. of Arkansas-Little Rock
Pepperdine University
U. of Wyoming
Loyola Law School
St. Mary’s University
U. of San Francisco
New York Law School
Willamette University
New England Sch. of Law
U. of California-Davis
West Virginia U.
Catholic U. of America
Pace University
Gonzaga University
Cleveland State U. (Marshall)
Appalachian School of Law
Thomas M. Cooley
U. of Denver
Hofstra University
U. of Nevada-Las Vegas
Syracuse University
U. of Detroit Mercy
Howard University
Duquesne University
Southwestern Univ.
Regent University
Widener University
Western New England
Touro College (Fuchsberg)
Vermont Law School
Santa Clara University
U. of Baltimore
U. of the Pacific (McGeorge)
Arizona State University
Nova Southeastern University
Texas Southern University
Northern Kentucky U. (Chase)
CUNY-Queens College
California Western
Franklin Pierce Law Center
Roger Williams University
Barry University
Chapman University
St. Thomas University
U. of the District of Columbia
Golden Gate University
Thomas Jefferson
Whittier Law School
Southern University
Western State University

Let’s face it, the ABA would be in court faster than you could say injunction if they tried to pulling these schools accreditation.

The Obromophile posts:

 

If you are feeling bored, the LSAC has a tool for determining likelihood of admission based upon UGPA and LSAT. With a 3.0 and a 142, there is about a 25% chance of admission at about two dozen schools. (To be terribly blunt, whether or not you are in that group depends upon your race.) Prof. Sander’s "Systematic Analysis" article includes race-based data for the UMich Law system. It is available here. To make your life really easy, the summary of the data is on pg. 39 of Acrobat Reader and pg. 405 of the law review article.

The data grid (LSAT/GPA, number applied, number admitted) by race is available here. UMich, in 1999, accepted 18 black students with LSATs of 153 or below. This is not some second-tier law school; it’s a top 10, without a doubt.

As to flunking people, you need to keep a 2.0 the first year to stay at our school so folks with too many D’s can flunk out.

A charming theory, except that most law schools do not give Ds. My law school publishes the percentile ranks and grade distributions. Even going back to the class of 2003, long before grade inflation, the bottom 5% of the class was in the 2.8 range. (Undergraduate grade inflation began to happen, incidentally, around the time that race-based preferences started to become popular.

Subprime Applicants posts to taxprof: "One should also take a glance at the 1L attrition rates for these schools (Whittier 50%!!!!!)…That these schools (under) achieve these rates consistently (for years) after weeding out 2/3 of their class by graduation is appalling…this is a social justice issue…anyone see an subprime analogy here? Get some teeth ABA!"

 

Law School Student posts: "This has been needed for a long time. A lot of the schools above are nothing but money machines for the professors who teach there. They really don’t care about the bar passage rates right now. It is unfortunate that the ABA allowed this scam to fester for so long. The ABA doesn’t really want to get rid of these money machines; they just want to do just enough to keep the Dept of Education off their back and nothing more. The ABA really needs to stop accrediting these fly-by-night diploma mills. The AMA limits the amount of medical schools in the country. The ABA could easily do this."

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