The Torah Is Not In Heaven II

Greg Leake emails: Hi Luke,

I was just reading your entry ‘The Torah Is Not In Heaven.’

This may seem tangential, but I feel that religion basically faces two major metaphysical challenges today. They are:
1) the enlightenment experience
2) the near-death experience

When I was a kid growing up in Midland, Texas, (President Bush was in one junior high school, Laura Bush in another, and I in a third.. there were only four) there were only two ways to be religious. You could be either a Protestant or a Catholic, and you heard rumors of a Jewish faith from afar. I don’t think I ever met a Jew until I was in college.

Sometime in the 1940s Mircea Eliade and others started the Humanities discipline of the history of religions. Since that time all of the world’s religions have come under the scrutiny of scholars, pundits, and sages. We now know as much about satari and samadi as we do about salvation.

One of the things that we have discovered is the enlightenment experience. The whole of Buddhism surrounds this ultimate experience of enlightenment. Naturally, throughout the twelve or so different philosophies derived from India, enlightenment and refined versions of enlightenment are the ultimate centerpiece. We have nods in the direction of enlightenment within other religions as well. In scholastic Catholicism, there is the “contemplation of divine beatitude” through the grace “luminum gloriem”.

However one cognizes it (perhaps as part of Tikkun HaNefesh), it is now a recognizable part of the established study of comparative religions and the history of religions and the study of altered states of consciousness. And it is realized as an authentic example of fulfillment of a human potential that is not with the province of most of us to experience.

Now our organized religious structures have not worked very diligently at trying to ask the question, “What perspective does the enlightenment experience bring to the pronouncement of saviors and profound religious teaching?”

For example, when I read the teachings of Jesus bin Joseph, I simply see the point of view of the enlightenment experience. The individual nature having been sacrificed to the univeral nature. Perhaps when one really comes to the solemn depths of the individual nature, one discovers that, lo and behold, it was ultimately the universal nature all along. Frankly, it is irrelevant to me whether Jesus fulfilled some Jewish prophecies. His pronouncement rise or fall on the basis of whether he was enlightened.

I would say that the problem for many Christians is whether Jesus bin Joseph was the only one in the history of humanity to exhibit enlightenment properties or if there have been others who shared similar experience. And I would say that the problem for Jews in respect to Jesus bin Joseph is to determine the efficacy of his ministry irrespective of whether it fits into the messiah context.

The second point I will be brief about. In the 1800s eminent Cambridge don Frederick Myers wrote his classic book Survival of the Personality After Bodily Death. Since that time, we have had a hundred years of serious research establishing the plausibility of survival beyond the death experience. Thirty or thiry-five years ago, Moody wrote his original book on the near-death experience, the shelves have filled with books by doctors, professors, and ordinary people who have experiences beyond clinical death that should suggest survival that mimics what we learned from Myers and the Society for Psychical Research. Even the CIA has messed around with out-of-body experience.

Frankly, without going into lengthy citations, the preponderance of evidence today suggests strongly for survival after clinical, biological death. And moreover, it does not seem to be a major factor whether one sees a Jesus figure or not. Some do, some don’t. Jews might see Elijah or someone. And a lot of people do not seemingly encounter any specific religious figure.

At any rate, if either of these subjects seems dismissible, it would merely indicate a lack of familiarity with the literature. And my contention is that in the end religion in the West has to find a way to shed its perspective on these ontological and metaphysical experiences.

Religion requires some raison d’être relative to the ultimate nature of the universe and life after death. And if religions abandon the field, then doctors, philosophers, transpersonal pyschologists and psychiatrists and will have more answers than the priest or rabbi, and religion will lose its position as arbiter of spiritual matters.

LUKE SAYS: Everything you write is foreign to me as a Jew. I’ve never heard talk of “enlightenment” from a traditional Jew. I believe the Jewish view is that our task is simple and difficult — control our will to destroy and to instead to do good. There’s no special teaching that will unlock all of life. There is no esoteric knowledge we need to do what is most important — righteousness and holiness.

Every minute one spends thinking about the next life one is not living this life.

Judaism is unromantic religion. Christianity is romantic religion. By contrast, Judaism will usually seem much less spiritual and much more this worldly.

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This Could Hurt Your Orthodox Marriage Prospects

Heshy Fried writes: Facebook: Unless you are a kiruv rabbi, you have no excuse to be on facebook. If you happen to be on facebook you may want to make sure that you are fans of gedolim and kosher Jewish music and that none of your friends are of the opposite sex.

Saw You At Sinai: Sure everyone knows someone who got married from saw you at Sinai, but we know those people were desperate enough to throw away their shidduch market value by not having true emunah and going to the treife zachen of the internet. Being forced to put up a picture that could be copied by anyone you are set up with is terribly unztnius.

Color: Do you wear any color besides gray, blue or black? You’re in trouble then.

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Does God Improve?

In a 2005 lecture on Deuteronomy 31, Dennis Prager says: “I don’t think there is a text dated anywhere near the text of the Torah that is so egalitarian in its depiction of women. It’s about as unsexist a text. Some things later in Jewish life became more sexist than the Torah.

“We have this belief that we progress. I was raised with this. That there is an inevitable progression in moral thought.

“That’s why people believe the prophets are more elevated than the Torah, which I do not believe. That is the common belief that you go from this tribal God of vengeance in the Torah to this universal God of justice and compassion in the prophets and as things move on, they get better.

“There was a time in Christian life where it continued. And God got even better in the New Testament. And then Islam said God got even better in the Koran. And then God got even better in the book of Mormon.

“If God gets better, it isn’t God. It’s just human creations of God.”

“I’ve always rejected this notion that God improves as you go along later in the Bible. Jews have believed this, not traditional Jews, but Jewish scholars, who tend to be liberal.”

“I realized in college that the attempt to depict the Torah as sexist was part of an overall campaign to undermine religious values in the West. There is no truth to it.

“If you want to tell me there is sexism in the Talmud. There’s a rabbi in the Talmud who says do not speak too much to a woman, even your wife.

“That’s sexist. You’re wasting your time talking to your wife. You should be studying with men.”

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This Week’s Parsha With Dr. Kirschbaum From Tikkun Magazine

This week’s Torah portion is Va’etchanan.

I discuss it with Mark Kirschbaum.

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Do You Feel Worthy?

In a 2005 lecture on Deut. 30, Dennis Prager says: “I have a feeling that Christians have a harder time thinking they are worthy.”

“Do you think God is satisfied with the person you are? I have Christians friends who find it incredible that I feel that God is satisfied with me. They’re stunned. They walk around with this deep sense of unworthiness. I haven’t felt unworthy for ten seconds. God could use a picture of me up in Heaven. Dennis is my man.”

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The Torah Is Not In Heaven

Here’s the Wikipedia entry.

In a 2005 lecture on Deut. 30, Dennis Prager says: “Literally, this teaching is not a wonder. And it’s not far from you.”

From Baba Metziah 59:B (in the Talmud):

It is taught: On that day R. Eliezer brought forward every imaginable argument, but the Sages did not accept any of them. Finally he said to them: “If the Halakhah (religious law) is in accordance with me, let this carob tree prove it!” Sure enough the carob tree immediately uprooted itself and moved one hundred cubits, and some say 400 cubits, from its place. “No proof can be brought from a carob tree,” they retorted.

And again he said to them “If the Halakhah agrees with me, let the channel of water prove it!” Sure enough, the channel of water flowed backward. “No proof can be brought from a channel of water,” they rejoined.

Again he urged, “If the Halakhah agrees with me, let the walls of the house of study prove it!” Sure enough, the walls tilted as if to fall. But R. Joshua, rebuked the walls, saying, “When disciples of the wise are engaged in a halakhic dispute, what right have you to interfere?” Hence in deference to R. Joshua they did not fall and in deference to R. Eliezer they did not resume their upright position; they are still standing aslant.

Again R. Eliezer then said to the Sages, “If the Halakhah agrees with me, let it be proved from heaven.” Sure enough, a divine voice cried out, “Why do you dispute with R. Eliezer, with whom the Halakhah always agrees?” R. Joshua stood up and protested: “The Torah is not in heaven!” (Deut. 30:12). We pay no attention to a divine voice because long ago at Mount Sinai You wrote in your Torah at Mount Sinai, `After the majority must one incline’. (Ex. 23:2)”

R. Nathan met [the prophet] Elijah [3] and asked him, “What did the Holy One do at that moment?” Elijah: “He laughed [with joy], saying, ‘My children have defeated Me, My children have defeated Me.'”

A lot of people don’t understand how post-Biblical Judaism developed.

For one thing, there never was a Biblical Judaism. There never was a Judaism limited to the Bible. Before there was a Bible, a Torah, there was an oral tradition that became the Torah and the Bible.

As long as there’s been an oral tradition, there’s been another oral tradition interpreting the oral tradition written down in the Torah and the Bible. They’ve always run together like ham and eggs.

Dennis: “I have no reason to believe that Moses wore a yarmulke. Certainly there was no Hanukkah, no Purim. These are rabbinic holidays. How did Pharisaic law become Jewish?”

I was raised a Protestant. It holds “sola scriptura.” The Bible and the Bible only shall be our creed. Protestantism holds that tradition is not bad but it is a human creation.

Dennis: “How did the rabbis claim authority to make later law? They base it largely on this sentence — the Torah is not in Heaven.”

“A Jew cannot say on law that I got a voice from G-d and I can prove in miracles that I am right.”

“The rabbis say the Torah says follow the majority and…our religion is on earth and we will determine what it is for Jews will do.”

“There are two justifications for rabbinic Judaism. The other is that there was an oral law given to Moses.”

“God has spoken and now it is our turn to keep religion going. That is one way of understanding this [verse].”

“I believe the rabbis were brilliant with this story…but I don’t know that that was what Moses had in mind. To say it is not so is to part with 2,000 years of Judaism.”

“I think that what Moses had in mind is related but not the same. This is what I think he was saying.”

“The Torah is not esoteric. If anybody comes and says they have a secret code to unlock understanding of what God wants, don’t believe them. It is totally clear what God wants.

“In every religion, you get people saying, there’s a real secret code to be unlocked here. Moses is saying no.”

“The Torah is given to all the Jews to understand all the time. You don’t need an intermediary to explain it. That’s the original intent of what Moses is saying. Ironically, that coincides with Protestant theology, but the rabbis did the opposite. The same phrase is used to make opposite points, each with their own legitimacy.”

“The kabbalah thing now. It’s really esoteric and mystical and you need special teachers to teach you what it really means. I’m skeptical. I don’t want them to close up shop. I have no antagonism. There are very wonderful people who study kabbalah.

“Same with Scientology. Scientology is very esoteric. You have to go into different levels of understanding for which you have to pay a lot of money. Just reading Dianetics will not suffice… I don’t accept that. It has to be available to me, Dennis. [Torah] is not secret knowledge. It’s not come to my class and I’ll share with you secret knowledge for $4,000.”

What I wonder about are the chicks who slept with guys in exchange for Torah secrets. Must’ve been some pretty powerful secrets to spread those tawny thighs.

Gnosticism means there’s stuff only available to the select few.

Christianity is a form of gnosticism — the secret to eternal salvation is belief in the divinity and life-giving efficacy of Jesus Christ.

That is sure an easier sell than Judaism’s “earn your way” approach.

Another consequence of this text that the Torah is not in Heaven is that there can be no further revelation that contradicts the Torah.

How did Jews react to Jesus? His first statement is that I am not here to change a thing, otherwise Jews won’t listen. “He would not get any Jew to listen if he had not started off with I’m not here to change anything.”

“Jews are preoccupied with life. That’s the one thing that unifies Jews. It’s the reason Jews became doctors. Fix. Heal people. Make this life better. That’s why Jews got involved in so many social organizations. They used secular things to fix the world. Fixing this world is a Jews’ preoccupation. Here is where you work it out.”

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Chandler Convalescent Hospital

I hope I don’t end up in a nursing home. I hope I don’t end up at Chandler Convalescent Hospital (5335 Laurel Canyon Boulevard, North Hollywood, CA 91607).

Calqualitycare.org rates it one star out of five and says its quality of care is “poor.”

Chandler Convalescent is owned by Sanford Deutsch, who’s about 80. His late wife Beverly was a patient for more than two years at Chandler. She was hit by a bus a few years ago and sued General Motors.

Sanford Deutsch is moving into Beverlywood with his new wife.

Sanford was a big macher in Jewish Los Angeles. He was a lay leader of the Orthodox Union. He led Congregation Sharei Tefilah at Poinsettia and Beverly Blvd. He led the JNF.

Sanford’s son Mark runs Chandler Convalescent.

The place is a mess. The staff frequently get paid late. They have problems getting banks to take their checks, so instead they’re limited to a couple of check cashing outlets. Better get your check cashed quickly before the account runs out.

In response, much of the care is shoddy. It’s not unusual for the staff to fall asleep on the job.

A patient fell and died a couple of months ago. I wonder if a more attentive staff would’ve prevented his death?

It would take a man of great moral character to restrain himself from taking his sexual pick of the staff. Particularly if you own apartments and homes where you can house the more attractive ones.

There’s something very wrong going on at Chandler Convalescent. It is owned and operated by Orthodox Jews. You’d think they’d behave better.

Chandler Convalescent is always running out of supplies. The head of nursing pulls a fat salary but is only around a few days a month.

The Deutch family owns cash businesses such as vending machines and laundromats. These types of businesses typically attract a Mafia-like crowd.

Dana* emails: “I just read a review on Chandler Convalescent Hospital and couldn’t agree more. I used to work at Chandler and saw many things that I reported to the woman who was dsd at the time, yet she shrugged it off as being unimportant. Did you work there as well? There was (or is) a patient there who does drugs in his room that I reported but since he was chums with …, they never even investigated the patient’s meth use in the room. The place is horrid.”

Another source tells me: Chandler employees a verity of persons of various ethnic back grounds. The majority of non-licensed staff and support staff would be Mexican. The majority of registered and licensed staff would be Filipino. The Director of Nursing you referred to as making a bundle and not being there much has hired several of her family members and friends. They’re of Indian ethnicity. I am not crazy about nepotism or nationalism. As far as I know, all Chandler employees are legal. Some have work permits and some are being sponsored. The vast majority of employees are Americans citizens.

Also, to be technically correct, all employees receive their pay checks at 6:00PM on payday. They are payed twice a month. However, if that check is deposited in a regular, personal checking account as is customary of 90% of the working persons in this United States, the check will bounce. There is little or no monies in the account that pays the employee. The monies that pay the employes are taken from a separate account and given to the check casing company. Then after a few days (since payday) when employees find the check cashing place that has received funds they will all exodus the hospital (patients be damned) to cash their checks. The personnel office will not tell the employes which check cashing place they have gone to and given monies too. Often you can see a HR employe arrive at 6:00pm to drop off the checks then run to there car to get to the check cashing place first. But its a guess as to which one they have gone too.

If you were treated this way as an employee, would you care if anything happens at your job? I think not and this is one of the big reasons Chandler has such poor care stats.

Now, would be a good time to send a camera crew to look in the main parking lot at the rear. The trash is over flowing. Apparently chandler is not paying the waste company in a timely manner. There are rats, possums, cats, sea gulls and crows picking at the plastic bags of hospital waste. There are 10 to 20 hospital beds in the parking area. And cast-off items next to the gas tank. Its a dump back there.

No, it is clear that Mark’s girlfriends are hoochee-blonds from outside the facility. However at one point one of his girlfriend’s sister worked at Chandler. It did not go well for the employee that complained about this sister’s incompetence. That employee was fired within days.

It is also rumored that one of the HR girls is now dating Mr. Deutch. I guess that’s good for her now. But in the end the children get the estate and she will be cast aside.

Falls are very common at chandler. It’s hard to say how many are preventable. There are a lot of confuses patients and state regulation make it hard to restrain them. The Director of Nursing (who comes and goes at will) approves many patients that Chandler is not equipped to handle. But yes, the supervision of patients by floor staff is lacking and many supervisors don’t supervises their floor staff. When you ask, “who’s is in charge?” Fingers start getting pointed in every direction.

So, falls commonly result in misleading if not down-right falsification of paper work.

Why?

Because no one was around to see what happened and the staff fears a Health Department investigation. The overwhelming group think is, “it’s not my job.”

I will update you on any new events.

Yeah, this kind of behavior tends to give the Jewish community a bad name. And you know as well as anyone that if one Jew behaves badly, then all Jews behave badly; sad but true. Maybe you can shame the Deutch family into behaving better and take responsibility for there actions.

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Chabad – Judaism With Muscles

I’ve gone a lot to Chabad shuls over the past few months and they’re totally different from the Modern Orthodox shuls I am used to.

For one thing, many of the Chabadniks I meet have muscles. Few Modern Orthodox Jews I’ve met have muscles.

Most Modern Orthodox Jews I know are college graduates. Most Chabadniks I know are not. They typically own their own businesses.

The Modern Orthodox Jews I know tend to be professionals. Each profession has this code of conduct. This produces different types of people than those who make their own way in the world.

I’m a blogger. I own my own business.

When Modern Orthodox Jews are mad at you, they threaten to tell the rabbi or to sue you or to take you to a Beit Din. They’ll write a letter against you. They’ll take out an ad.

I suspect that if a Chabadnik has a problem with you, he’ll let you know directly. I suspect that many Chabadniks have settled disputes with their fists.

I suspect Chabadniks are more likely to use a spanner rather than a lawsuit to settle a dispute.

Chabadniks strike me as more blunt and more Jewish than Modern Orthodox Jews. They have fewer concerns about how they look to the goyim. They’re less likely to believe in feminism and other goyisha ideologies. They’re less likely to go to therapy.

Rebbe emails: “It’s not just Chabad but Yeshivish and Chasidic men in general who are more physical and in non-professional jobs.”

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Making A New Point

In a 2005 lecture on Deut. 30, Dennis Prager says: “A lot of people wonder why there is so much repetition [in the Torah]. The reason is pedagogic.

“When I make a new point [on the radio], I get no calls. It is as if I didn’t say anything. When I will say it for about the fifth time, I’ll start getting emails and calls. It might be the most brilliant point in the world, but if I make it once, it’s as if I never said it.”

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Las Vegas Jewish Federation

Tom Ficara emails: Hi Luke:

It appears that the revelation that Elliot Karp was fired at the Cincinnati Jewish Federation for exactly the same employee abuse that has occurred in his present tenure has given us some new and powerful leads.

For the first time, we have broken the shameful cone of silence that the Board of Directors of the Las Vegas Jewish Federation has built to obstruct our investigation. With one board member now speaking with us, we feel that this house of cards will soon be coming down. In fairness, many of these directors were (and probably still are) fed false and/or misleading information about the background of Elliot Karp and his behavior in Cincinnati and now in Las Vegas.

Also, for the first time we have heard directly from a current employee within the Las Vegas Jewish Federation. We are now confirming that the employee abuse continues unabated. We are attempting to find a way to have this employee appear on our Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas Jewish Federation episode of the Las Vegas Justice Bureau TV show.

We are also attempting to find Lanny Levine, the highly thought of person who was hired to replace Elliot Karp victim Charry Kennedy (the former Entertainment Director at Caesars Palace). Lanny Levine resigned several weeks ago and we have the story from third parties but want to hold out to speak with Lanny Levine himself.

The revelation of the widespread abuse at the Cincinnati Jewish Federation has also jostled the Rockford, NY Jewish Federation, where Karp worked after the Cincinnati Jewish Federation and before his present Las Vegas Jewish Federation reign. They had been previously stonewalling us in a major way. We now have a source from Rockland. We will get you that information shortly, once we can confirm it.

We are heartened that Lois Langford of the Las Vegas Tribune is still on the case in this matter. With Danny Greenspun and his family owning the Las Vegas Sun and Las Vegas Jewish Federation Director Jim Rogers owning the NBC affiliate, we have limited availability to the established press. Thus, the independent Las Vegas Tribune is a valuable presence in a town as closed as Las Vegas is.

Lastly, we have learned that another EEOC action is about to be filed against Elliot Karp and the Las Vegas Jewish Federation. This is a preliminary action to a lawsuit against Elliot Karp, former Las Vegas Jewish Federation Chairman Danny Greenspun, current Las Vegas Jewish Federation Chairman, Las Vegas attorney Leonard Stone, the Las Vegas Jewish Federation Board of Directors, and the Las Vegas Jewish Federation itself. This will be the second EEOC action. We also believe that a third is being prepared.

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