The Mountain Family: An Appalachian Family of 12 – and their Fascinating Journey to Judaism

From an Amazon.com review: I really enjoyed the first half of the book. I am a Jewish person living in Appalachia right now. Even people who weren’t Jewish could relate to the life she led in the mountains; many had grandparents who lived that way.

Since I also moved to this area from a big city, I enjoyed reading about her culture shock and adjustments.

While I give her credit for her quest of spirituality, I don’t think she gave enough credit to her first husband. While Tzirel had her doubts, it was her husband who steadfastly held to his beliefs that an intermediary wasn’t needed. He came to the realization first, which is an amazing event! She had doubts because of her Christian upbringing, but he held true to his beliefs. She finally came to agree with him, but it took awhile.

I had problems reading about her constant dependence on the community to take care of her and her family. She took EMT training, yet she didn’t go thru with getting the job because “she didn’t like it.” Ma’am, you have a very large family, and support your family!

The part about her life in Israel was ok. She spent too much time talking about her second husband. This book was supposed to be about her mountain family, not her second husband. Also, it seemed like the book we never end. There was an epilogue, and then another chapter.

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Tennessee family of 12 are fresh converts

Apparently, the family moved to Israel last summer.

June 3, 2014:

In a mass conversion of sorts, Chad and Libby McJunkin and their 10 children became members of the tribe last Sunday. The formerly Christian Chattanooga, Tennessee, family was converted to Orthodox Judaism on June 1 in Brooklyn. The parents, now known as Sholom and Nechama, were also married according to Jewish law the same day.

In a phone conversation with The Times of Israel, the father described his children as “sparkling” and “shining” as they emerged from their ritual immersion in the mikveh. The couple, married for 18 years, has six girls and four boys, ranging from one to 16 years of age.

McJunkin, a carpenter, said it feels wonderful to now be Jewish and embraced by the Orthodox communities of Borough Park and Chattanooga, but he admits that the road to conversion has not been entirely smooth. While avoiding giving a direct answer to a question about how his teenage children were taking to the change, he noted, “There have been ups and downs for all of us.”

This is not the first time the family has adapted to an all-encompassing religious lifestyle. After trying out many churches, and prior to becoming interested in Judaism two-and-a-half years ago, the McJunkins lived in an Amish community for two years.

“I became a [Amish] brother and we lived in an Amish community west of Nashville. It was the real deal: horse and buggy, no electronics or Internet,” he said.

“But when I came in to contact with people who told me about the Hebrew scriptures and I learned about the Torah, I realized there was a conflict between the Five Books of Moses and the New Testament,” McJunkin explained. “One was true and the other was totally false — and it’s obvious which one was false.”

The family was excommunicated by the Amish and returned to live in Chattanooga. They moved in with family in rural Georgia, where McJunkin and his wife grew up.

“I was really hurt that my whole life had been wrapped up in a lie. We cried for a week and had a family meeting and decided to go toward Judaism,” he recalled. At that point, the McJunkins returned to Chattanooga, where they received guidance from members of Chabad and others. (Surprisingly, this isn’t the first time a Christian family of 12 from the rural South converted to Judaism.)

COMMENTS:

* As a an orthodox convert to Judaism I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that this family’s love affair with Judaism will end when they start trying to marry off their kids. It is in that process where you see just where a convert stands in the orthodox jewish community. The more religious the more discriminatory. I have many convert friends that have gone through hell and back and 98% of converts leave the religion all togehter, it’s only a matter of time. With what I know now after having living in a very religious community in New York I can say that converting is insane, it really is because it is just such a complication and you become so disapponited with so many things that you end up reevaluating your secular nonJewish life and go running back!

* Exactly! That’s why when this story came out and people were touting it as a warm feel good story, I was sad for this family. I don’t think it’s a celebratory occasion, it’s the beginning of many disillusions. Although, it wasn’t like that in the past, when conversion was once so common and easy that the Romans had to ban it. In the past, people regarded gerim with respect. Today, it is very different. One problem is that a male will not give his wife or kids a tribal affiliation and Kohanim won’t marry his daughter. A female convert is always in danger of having her conversion questioned, which could affect someone’s kids or grandkids and it’s not uncommon to have the grandchildren of a giyores do a giyur lehumrah…just “to be safe”. No one wants to deal with those issues. If people don’t believe me, even great rabbis wrote some sad things about gerim.

* One of the finest human beings I ever knew, a very orthodox woman, once told me the following story: There was a ger tzedek, who not only converted but was great in the Torah and a fine person. It was quite a problem to find him a bride. Why, I asked really surprised, a ger tzedek, gadol batorah, a fine person – why was it difficult to find him a bride? Well, was the answer, we couldn’t very well give him one of our girls, could we?

* I’m sad for the kids being jerked around. Religious belief should be individually developed, or, like me, rejected. Reading their story I would conclude this will not work out well for the family. I think it is sad, sad.

* I could see them very much being at home with living in a smaller Yishuv in Yehuda & Shomron. They would flower there and integrate well as well as becoming living Jews of the Land & Torah. In Galut they will only struggle to maintain their identity in a foreign environment and many temptations for the children as they become teens to revert back to another identity, would not happen by living in Yosh. May the God of Israel bless them to start afresh in the Land of Israel, they can only thrive there and remain assured of their collective future.

* They’ve changed their religious practice HOW MANY TIMES? I don’t know, but I would want a few more years of living Jewish as proof of intent. What happens if they change their religion again, to Shintoism, Bhuddism, Hindoism or worse, islam – next? [b/t/w there IS a connection between the Amish and the Orthodox Jewish, one Amish woman found out. They are like the ‘german – Anusim’. Look it up, it is a fascinating study. One example, the ‘Amish/Mennonite’ people NEVER name their children after anyone in the New Testament, ONLY the Old Testament or Torah. Look it up. Tens of thousands of ‘Abrahams’, Joshuas, Jeremiah’s, etc.]

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CA’s Prop 47 Boosts Crime

From the Washington Post:

In the 11 months since the passage of Prop 47, more than 4,300 state prisoners have been resentenced and then released. Drug arrests in Los Angeles County have dropped by a third. Jail bookings are down by a quarter. Hundreds of thousands of ex-felons have applied to get their previous drug convictions revised or erased.

But along with the successes have come other consequences, which police departments and prosecutors refer to as the “unintended effects”: Robberies up 23 percent in San Francisco. Property theft up 11 percent in Los Angeles. Certain categories of crime rising 20 percent in Lake Tahoe, 36 percent in La Mirada, 22 percent in Chico and 68 percent in Desert Hot Springs.

It’s too early to know how much crime can be attributed to Prop 47, police chiefs caution, but what they do know is that instead of arresting criminals and removing them from the streets, their officers have been dealing with the same offenders again and again. Caught in possession of drugs? That usually means a misdemeanor citation under Prop 47, or essentially a ticket. Caught stealing something worth less than $950? That means a ticket, too. Caught using some of that $950 to buy more drugs? Another citation.

“It’s a slap on the wrist the first time and the third time and the 30th time, so it’s a virtual get-out-of-jail-free card,” said Shelley Zimmerman, who became San Diego’s police chief in March 2014. “We’re catching and releasing the same people over and over.”

Officers have begun calling those people “frequent fliers,” offenders who knew the specifics of Prop 47 and how to use it to their advantage. There was the thief in San Bernardino County who had been caught shoplifting with his calculator, which he said he used to make sure he never stole the equivalent of $950 or more. There was the “Hoover Heister” in Riverside, who was arrested for stealing vacuum cleaners and other appliances 13 different times over the course of three months, each misdemeanor charge followed by his quick release.

There was also the known gang member near Palm Springs who had been caught with a stolen gun valued at $625 and then reacted incredulously when the arresting officer explained that he would not be taken to jail but instead written a citation. “But I had a gun. What is wrong with this country?” the offender said, according to the police report.

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Thoughts On Converts From An FFB (Frum From Birth)

An Orthodox Jew from birth tells me:

Observation. Do you feel converts have high self esteem or are outspoken? Surely, not too shy.

There are definitely a lot of common character traits or similar issues with converts. Like, coming from an unstable or broken home.

If you had the proper attention from a compatible female, perhaps you wouldn’t need that attention. Everybody needs love/attention.

Conversion is a great trick in Judaism. You can show that you’re not racist, anyone can join, but practically, very difficult.

If you just went with the flow, and went transgender, I’m sure you could hook up with a Rabbanit.

Only a masochist would do it.
Only troubled souls
Or those in love.

You should start a support group for would be converts, and derail them to a twelve step program, which is really what they need. The RCC might pay you. They would have to graduate/pass your program, to be able to start the conversion process. You could write a book on the psyche of a convert. It could be a must read for would be converts.

You could be the Anti-Christ/Anti-Convert. You could start your sessions with Daf Yomi.

Miriam: Tell that to this family, they don’t come from a broken home. Btw, while everyone sees this as an adorable “feel good” story, I see it as a sad one where none of them are spiritually related anymore. Technically, the parents are not really the parents or vice versa. And I am against adults converting their children, as it should be the child’s choice when they’re more mentally mature. But whatever, feel good story of the year.

Smemaya and Avtalyon certainly were. They were teachers and once even made the kohen gadol jealous from all the followers they had. That’s when people had respect and love inside. Today, however, any opinion is soon encountered by a “and who gives you the authority to say that”. (Translation: silence go sit at the back of the shul).

What is the most difficult race, religion, ethnicity or other situation, to be accepted by other frum Jews, AFTER converting? Blacks. Jews have an easier time with ex-Muslims. Jews can’t help staring at blacks in shul or blacks with kipot. It’s just not a black religion. Blacks are the opposite of Jews.

How often do converts convert twice? Like they realize, the religion they chose is a farce, and they then choose another religion. Conversion is for lost souls. Many who convert to Judaism are turned off after a while. You would think they would continue to search for the “truth.”

Or does the grueling conversion process just tire them out and take all the wind out of their sails?

Do you think there is a parallel between Hollywood and conversion? So many people want to be famous actors, but the best they can attain is an Extras role. When you are converting you want to become a typical Orthodox Jew, but there’s so much stigma attached to being a convert, that even when you’re in, you are never fully accepted, and you will never be that person.

Are you told before a conversion, that you will never be fully accepted, that others will judge you and look down on you? No. I think they should. Basically, a second rate citizen.

Luke: If a convert to Judaism keeps uppermost in his mind at all times — how can I contribute to the Jewish community? — he won’t complain and he’ll be happy.

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Australia — a light unto the nations (Steve Sailer)

SYDNEY (AP) — Australia is in talks to send refugees who try to reach its shores illegally to the Philippines, the immigration minister said Friday.

Australia already has a multi-million dollar deal to resettle refugees from an Australia-run detention camp on the Pacific nation of Nauru to Cambodia. But so far, only four refugees have taken up the offer of cash, free health insurance and accommodation to move from Nauru to the Cambodian capital of Phnom Penh. That has prompted critics to dub the deal an expensive flop and sent the government looking for another solution.

Australia refuses to accept any refugees who attempt to reach its shores by boat. It pays Nauru and Papua New Guinea, which has a detention center on Manus Island, to hold them instead.

On Friday, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton confirmed that the government has been in talks with several countries, including the Philippines, about possibly resettling its refugees in those nations.

“We have been very open to discussions for a long period of time with those partners because we have been very clear about the fact that people on Nauru and people on Manus who have sought to come to our country illegally by boat won’t be settling in Australia,” Dutton told reporters in Canberra, the nation’s capital. “We have a bilateral arrangement with Cambodia. If we can strike other arrangements with other countries, we will do that.”

The Cambodia deal has been widely condemned by human rights groups, who say the southeast Asian nation is hardly an ideal home for refugees given its long history of poverty, corruption and human rights abuses.

The potential for a deal with the Philippines prompted similar concerns. Dutton was asked what guarantees of safety Australia could give refugees who resettle in a nation that is grappling with violent kidnappings and terrorism.

“We can provide the same guarantees that we can to Australians that travel to the Philippines each year, the expats that live in the Philippines and across southeast Asia or other parts of the world,” Dutton replied, adding that refugees would be resettled there only on a voluntary basis.

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Some French Jewish Intellectuals Are Warning Against The Great Replacement

Comments to Steve Sailer:

* At the risk of sounding like a broken record, it is very significant that almost all of the so-called “non-toxic” voices for “French patriotism” and against immigration are Jewish (Éric Zemmour, Alain Finkielkraut, Élisabeth Lévy . . .), mostly of Polish and North African origin.

Gentiles seem to only be allowed to have this position and express it on television if they are a member of the Front National (which is allowed to express itself on TV, but is otherwise politically quarantined). No mainstream journalist/pundit is allowed to be pro-FN. Renaud Camus for example is not considered “respectable” and is not given one tenth of the media access of Zemmour or Finkielkraut.

I don’t know what the point of Onfray is. The French media seem to like to organize “pseudo-battles” (known as “clash“) between such and such pundit and the government, to make some buzz. Everyone involved is puffed up as a “philosophe” and “intellectuel.” The Socialist Prime Minister Manuel Valls has gotten into arguments with center-left intellectuals like Onfray and Emmanuel Todd, which speaks to the fact that he has nothing better to do. (On a similar note, Minister for Industrial Renewal Arnaud Montebourg left government, after using his office mostly to get media attention, after impregnating Minister for Culture Aurélie Filippetti, who is Thomas Piketty’s ex- and claims to have been beaten up by the mild-mannered economist. It’s a small world!) Onfray previously wrote a book pointing out (a bit late) that Freud was a fraud and was surprised at the push-back he got, leading him to plead that he was “just a northern goy.”

It’s a very strange situation. It’s a bit like if the only people in Israel allowed to advocate and define “Israeli nationalism” were Christians.

* Or, as an Israeli Jewish Arab chick assured me after telling me the most racist things possible about the Palestinians, while flirting with me(!), ‘I am not racist when I say that, look at me, I’m an Arab too.’

* Jews are bad when they support reaction, because they’re taking over the movement. Except when they oppose reaction, because they’re trying to destroy Western culture.

You guys remind me of the feminists who say when women marry men who make more money, it’s sexism, and when women marry men who make less money, the men are slacking off. Or the black activists who get angry when white people make 1950s parties, because they’re looking back to a white time, or when they make hip-hop parties, because they’re appropriating blackness.

* From Wikipedia: In his Diary of 1994 (published in 2000 under the title La campagne de France), Renaud Camus commented on the fact that the membership of a regular panel of literary critics supposed to cover a broad range of literary genres in a programme series (“Panorama”) run by the French national radio (France Culture) comprised a majority of persons of Jewish descent who tended to exclusively focus discussions on Jewish authors and community-centered issues. This comment, often misquoted in the French media at that time, caused widespread controversy and drew much criticism from observers like the noted French journalist Jean Daniel,[3] who described Camus’ remarks as anti-Semitic. Ironically, Renaud Camus was warmly supported by several prominent Jewish intellectuals, including French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut during the entire controversy, the latter underscoring Renaud Camus’ unflinching support for Israel. In 2012, he supported Marine Le Pen in the French presidential elections.[1]

Subsequently, and on several occasions, Renaud Camus was given the opportunity to clarify this comment of 2000, including in the studios of that very radio station : He never objected to any community-oriented programmes to be broadcast by that radio network, let alone any programme giving prime of place to the literary production of any Jewish community or being exclusively dedicated to Jewish culture ; his comment was meant to draw the attention of his readers to a literary programme run by a Governmental radio network which had narrowed its original scope to one almost exclusively dedicated to the literary production of one community, under the biased influence of some members of the panel in question.

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* Rich white gentiles have important college football weight room donations to make, so they can hardly be bothered with who is going to be president or who is paying for the think tanks that set the Overton Window.

* If HBD follows the logic of ‘where does culture come from?’, and considers Jewishness to be an endogamous pool, then there should be a Jewish cultural influence distinct from European culture and it should be possible for that to be described and discussed as a cultural influence?

* So is Trump reading Sailer?

I wouldn’t put it past him.

About 75 percent of what Trump says makes perfect sense to me, and I, like Trump-analyst Scott Adams, suspect that a lot of the other stuff he says is strictly for future negotiation.

By the way, Adams keeps talking about what a brilliant guy Trump is and how cleverly he’s positioning himself, but always adds “not that I would ever vote for him” or “not that I agree with his immigration policy.” I’ve begun to suspect that this is Adams using one of the influence techniques he talks about on his blog. In this case he knows that if he were to praise Trump’s performance and say, “This man has my vote,” all the Trump haters would tune out everything else he has to say. On the other hand, saying, “I’m not going to vote for this guy, but notice how clever his position is on this issue” causes the listener to think, “Wait a minute, you don’t even like the guy but you’re blown away by how shrewd he is. How much more sincere could praise be? You’ve convinced me the guy is a genius, but you never explained why I shouldn’t vote for him.”

* Remember the famous quote from Howell Heflin? Democrats biggest contributors were, “Jews, lawyers, and unions”. He said it in reference as to why the Dem party could never support tort reform. The WSJ put it in a lead editorial in the 90′s and I cut it out and put it on my wall so people could read it for banter and laughter when visiting.

* Somewhere along the line, probably in the mid-70s, before the savings and loan crisis, all the little private banks were gobbled up in a very short period by the big investment banking multinationals (the Citis, JP Morgans, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanleys, etc.). The little banks just couldn’t compete with their degree of automation, size/assets, and, apparently, freedom of investment. The ironic thing seems to be that the investment banks were able to do all this because they were less regulated than the ‘traditional’ banks. The traditional banks were heavily regulated coming out of the Great Depression, but the investment banks, doing a lot of their business overseas and not nearly as large and automated as they are today, received less attention and regulation. So in a few decades the investment banks were able to run wild and put all the ‘little old ladies’ out of business. (Well, buy them out, to the same effect.)

Was it an improvement? I really don’t know. But the interesting thing is that, far from being an exercise in pure, blind capitalism, it seems to depend in large degree on narrow specifics of how laws get written. Market-design, a complex problem that often determines who gets really rich.

* “I am fed up with being under the thumb of this population which is destroying us, destroying our country…”

Marine Le Pen? Nope, that was Bridget Bardot in 2008 denouncing Muslims for the ritualistic slaughter of sheep and other animals to ‘celebrate’ Eid. The comment resulted in her 5th prosecution for inciting racial hatred. Old age may have finally shut Bridget up but the French people are realizing it hasn’t been their lying eyes deceiving them but their government. That with every year that goes by their country becomes less and less France and more and more an Islamic nation.

* I’ve been eager to read more from Finkielkraut on multiculturalism and immigration. His books are either quite old or in French and not translated. Even though “The Defeat of the Mind” dates from 1995, I do plan to read that one. I wish it was in e-book format though.

Also, for all the complaining about Jews that this crowd does, take note of this guy: outrageously Jewish and one of the best and most devoted defenders of French and European culture on the planet.

* Lots of people criticize multiculturalism and immigration. Few can do so like Finkielkraut in such an academic, intellectual, intelligent manner with full top tier academic credentials and background.

And many are absolutely calling Finkielkraut toxic and far right. He’s done a better job of fighting that off and persisting.

Most of this has nothing to do with being Jewish or not. Finkielkraut said in a 2013 interview:

“I can speak and write more openly than others precisely because I am not a hereditary Frenchman. The natives easily allow themselves to be unnerved by the prevailing discourse. I don’t have such complexes.”

* “Their detractors warn they are fuelling a dangerous atmosphere harking back to the extreme rightwing ideas of France in the 1930s.”

Yes, it always goes back to the 1930s for these people. The best thing the “alt-right” should continue to do is disassociate itself with 1930′s fascism. The media is trying harder and harder to make that label stick to prevent politically incorrect views going mainstream. One of the best anti mass immigration rallies I saw had participants carrying placards that said: “Nazism No, Patriotism Yes”. I believe it was in Australia.

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Large Numbers Of WWII Black American Soldiers Were Executed In France For Bad Behavior

Comments to Steve Sailer:

* Of the 96 American soldiers from WW2 buried in the dishonorable Plot E of the Oise-Aisne American Cemetery in France – a cemetery otherwise for WW1 soldiers – eighty are black. All of them were executed then buried in Plot E for the crimes of rape and murder. Though they are buried in France, some of the soldiers buried there, iirc, were executed for crimes committed in Britain. Among those buried in Plot E is Emmett Till’s father, Louis – a fact which was used by Mississippi politicians to turn public sentiment against the younger Till.

* The British sitcom Peep Show also lampooned the casualty of burglaries in England. The main characters’ flat get burgled once, then they catch the teenage thief in the act coming back a second time. They call the police, who can’t be bothered to show up for several hours. They lock him on the balcony, but he calls his mates from his mobile. Predictably a pack of yufs, shows up to the apartment banging down the door well before the police, who’ve already been called several hours ago. They agree to let him go to avoid having their apartment overrun, but letting him out the front door, the mob of teenagers take advantage and clean them out.

The whole thing is treated as a casual weekend night, and the main characters even have dates over for the duration of the events. No one seems outraged at the police for dropping the ball and the characters basically feel sorry for the criminal. If a similar thing happened in Texas or Florida, the episode would be cut short in the first act as the burglar would have a belly full of hollow points.

* It’s no coincidence that Britain had the world’s first – and biggest – DNA database.

DNA samples are taken routinely from everyone arrested in Britain, even if they are never convicted or are arrested for traffic offenses.
As hundreds of thousands are arrested every year, and the DNA gathering has been on going for decades, the database holds a huge number of individuals.
A sizeable proportion of the adult male population is covered, and an even bigger proportion of Britain’s black male population. I venture to say that *most* black males in Britain are in the database.
Anyway, as we all know from our CSI, once you’re on that data base, an odd stray hair is enough to get you ‘banged to rights’.
At long last, the guilt of Hanratty, a famous lefty cause celebre was proved. Also, the Geordie ‘I’m Jack’ hoaxer who wasted so much police time back in the late 1970s was caught because of his act of licking a postage stamp, and getting caught for a motoring offence more than 20 years’ later.

* UK crime has fallen since its peak of early-90s, when Michael Howard (Tory Home Secretary) started jailing more criminals. Prison population doubled (from a very low level – by the 80s fewer people were in jail than in the low-crime 50s) , crime fell and Polly Toynbee wrote “Crime is falling, yet the prison population has never been so high”.

Home invasions in recent years have tended to be a black thing, and to happen either in cities, or in wealthy London suburbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4676898.stm

There’s also a trend in following wealthy-looking people (usually women) home and jumping them on the doorstep.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247040/Millionaire-muggers-targeted-London-celebrities-including-F1-boss-Bernie-Ecclestone-guilty-2m-robbery-spree.html

Then there’s the targeting of rich mums with their small kids

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/nappy-valley-crook-who-mugged-young-mothers-went-from-emergency-benefits-loan-to-holiday-in-miami-in-8117430.html

(note that they cashed in the rings and jewellery at Hatton Garden, whose famously gullible businessmen would never have guessed that the expensive jewellery the young black guys brought in was stolen)

Few home invasions out in the sticks, where the traveller curse (stripping outhouses and garages of expensive garden equipment) is the main worry at present.

There’s a subtext to current policing issues. Mrs Thatcher’s government took care to keep the police onside, recruiting more and upping their pay – she was to need them in the miner’s strike years. The current Tory administration and its coalition predecessor have smacked the police around, cutting budgets severely – by 20% with at least another 5% to come – while the population is rising and getting more ‘diverse’.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31771456

At the recent Tory Conference Cameron slandered the police and was applauded for it.

“Opportunity doesn’t mean much to a black person constantly stopped and searched by the police because of the colour of their skin. ”

The current Chief Inspector of Police is a hatchet-faced financial lawyer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Winsor#Review_of_police_officers.27_.26_staff_pay_and_conditions

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31771456

Some forces have started saying “you can pass laws but we may not enforce them because we don’t have the resources”.

“A ban on drivers smoking while children are in the car is unlikely to be fully enforced, police chiefs have admitted”

* It is practically illegal to defend yourself in Britain against a home intruder. Any object that is legal ( a baseball bat, a knife ) becomes illegal since you may cause injury to the intruder…

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/20985-self-defense-in-the-uk-is-illegal

* Crime started taking off in a publicly noticeable way in the mid 1970s partly as a result of immigration – particularly black street robbers – and a bit later partly as a result of closing the factories down – particularly white burglars. The police tried to do something about it but the media and SJWs kicked off because the police response to the street robberies was racially disproportionate to the numbers.

(It wasn’t; it was disproportionate to total numbers in the population but proportionate to the number of young blue collar males which is the correct metric but the media at the time and since were either malicious or innumerate so didn’t report it.)

Police promotion at the time was through the ranks but after the riots that followed from the police trying to do something about street robberies the govt at the time created a promotion system whereby individuals who’d swear to uphold PC would be fast tracked to the top.

This lead to the police force rotting from the top down as promotion by PC means the people in charge are always amoral scum and eventually that corrupts the system as a whole.

That worked for a while (in the sense of making people believe the problem had gone away) as it lead to “sensitive policing” which was a euphemism for ignoring crime in high crime areas but as the truth spread anyway as crime got worse in the ignored areas and spilled over then the govt had to start building more prisons which in the official stats reduced crime but in reality just slowed the increase down (the rest hidden by ignoring high crime areas and fiddling the stats).

Thing is – if you have a fixed population then incarceration can be used as a eugenic process that gradually reduces the frequency of criminal genes but if you have constant mass immigration skewed to young blue collar males then you will be continually increasing those genes so incarceration just slows down the descent into hell.

Eventually incarceration will become unaffordable and then the people responsible for the mass immigration will open the prisons as criminal gangs will be a much cheaper way of keeping the new serfs in permanent lock down.

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* In fact, in the last 20 or so years, petty crime has decreased substantially in England. Successive British governments took the bait from contemporary American practice and introduced ‘get tough’ policies involving more incarceration – the prison population has exploded – more forced labor imposed on offenders, more fines, electronic tagging, DNA databases, longer sentences etc.
A particular exponent was Conservative Home Secretary and failed leader Michael Howard.
Also significant are marked improvements in automotive security systems, ubiquitous CCTV and number plate monitoring cameras, and a general increase in security and surveillance systems everywhere.
The trend towards ‘liberal’ prisons and sentencing policy started in the 60s and 70s was reversed and abandoned.

* Economics may have something to do with it. I was in high school in the late 1990′s, and every male graduating senior either A)moved out to go to college in the fall or B) moved into an apartment for roommates with a job over that first summer out of high school. Some girls stayed home for another year or two while commuting to college or the like, but almost everyone couldn’t wait for their independence.

I was shocked in the 1990′s to find that it was quite common in England for men and women, alike, to live at home into their 30′s. Every one of these stay-at-homers that I spoke to worked, but still couldn’t afford independent housing. That alone lets me know our economy was much better than theirs at the time.

Our American economy is starting to look like the same English economy of the 1990s. Young to middle-aged people are living with their parents well past eighteen. Some of that is the economy. Not surprisingly crime has now started to rise again.

* Five Factors:

Low imprisonment rates

Immigration

No guns

No racial profiling

Demonisation of those who know about factors one to four.

* Aside from incarceration, here are some other ideas:

1. The USA takes credit cards more than any other place I’ve been, so we likely carry the least amount of cash.

2. We have the highest market share of iPhones. These are worthless to steal and resell now, since Apple has had remote disable tech for quite a while now.

3. We are well armed, and increasingly so.

4. I bet we have the lowest levels of lead. Our buildings are much new and thus less likely to contain lead. We also removed a lot more of it due to our unique lawsuit culture scaring landlords into removing it.

5. We mostly lack a violent yob/hooligan/mafia white underclass culture.

6. We have a good mix of central and decentralized law enforcement. We have the FBI and other federal agencies to go after high-value and inter-state targets, but also let our middle class suburbs and rich cities like New York spend a lot of money on local law enforcement.

* Here in the UK are some things that are “violent crimes”:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11691408/In-full-The-trivial-incidents-which-led-to-violent-crime-reports.html

• A member of the public reported seeing a mother slap her three-year-old child on the hand as they left a shop. The police had to record this as an “assault” by the mother on the child and “shoplifting” by the toddler.

• A young boy was bought a boxing glove by his parents. While excitedly swinging it around, he accidentally clipped his small sibling with the glove. The incident was recorded as “actual bodily harm” (ABH).

• Two children were playing together and one brushed a stinging nettle across the other’s arm. Police were called and recorded the incident as ABH.

• Two children playing together were performing “wheelies” on their bicycles. While doing the tricks, one child rode his bike into the other. This was recorded as an assault.

• Several members of staff were scratched at a care home. Each scratch was recorded as ABH, meaning police recorded five violent crimes from the one incident.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11691367/Throwing-biscuit-is-a-violent-crime-say-police.html

Police were forced to record an incident of a man being hit by a biscuit as a “violent crime”, a new report has revealed.

In contrast the definition of “violent crime” is much more stringent in the US and is more comparable to our GBH.

Steve, the paper in your OP isn’t available online, but in a follow-up paper from 2013 the authors acknowledge that it is not easy to compare most kinds of crime between nations because of differing definitions.

A second important issue in using criminal statistics is related to crime classification. Indeed, the classification of crimes may vary across countries, because of different criminal codes. For instance, an act that is a property crime in classified as a violent crime in country B. As a consequence, if one wants to work with a homogeneous measure of crime rates across these different countries, it is required to use a measure that is unaffected both by underreporting and classification issues. For all the above reasons, in this paper we will use the total number of homicide reported to the police per 100,000 inhabitants as main measure of criminal activity. This choice is dictated by the fact that homicides suffer much less underreporting and are more uniformly classified across countries.

Your claim “While property crimes were already way down in the U.S. and were falling further, much of Europe was plagued by criminality.” is simply not substantiated by evidence and seems to be a misreading of this paper.

* You’ve suggested that European Jews have not been active in opposing mass third world migration. Here’s an article from the BBC about France’s anti-immigration public intellectuals. (Someone else posted a similar article from the Guardian yesterday). A majority of them are Jewish, even though they make only 1% of France’s population.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30436692

That at least is the hope of the so-called neo-reactionnaires (new reactionaries) – a loose group of writers and thinkers who want to shake up debate on issues like immigration, Islam and national identity.

Of course others see the group rather differently.

For their enemies they are rabble-rousers, providing spurious philosophical cover for the extremism of the National Front (FN).

Most famous of the exponents is journalist Eric Zemmour, whose new book French Suicide reads like a desperate cavalry charge, sabre aloft, into the massed ranks of the progressives.
Seizing popular culture

Zemmour is scorned by most of the Paris establishment but his book is a runaway bestseller. To date it has sold 400,000 copies.

“The big divide today is between the elite and the people,” he tells me at Le Figaro newspaper’s headquarters, where he works.

“And that is why my book has done so well. Because I have become a kind of representative of the people. They have adopted me. They say that what I write is what they think.”

Zemmour is Jewish. He further told the BBC:

The sovereignty of the nation has disappeared. The state no longer has the power to revive the economy, or to defend our borders. The state is powerless. There are parts of France which feel like a different continent today. There are neighbourhoods which are completely Muslim – in their appearance, in their shops, in their tradition. And at the same time we have the constant process of Americanisation. Our budget is controlled by Brussels. We have no currency. Our army has to follow Washington’s orders.

The second name mentioned is also Jewish:

Other well-known figures in the movement include philosopher Alain Finkielkraut. Formerly identified with the political left, he was nearly blackballed this year from the prestigious Academie Francaise because of his writings on national identity.

The third name is a son of Norman farmers:

More controversial is aesthete and prolific writer Renaud Camus, who lives in self-imposed isolation in a 14th-Century fortress in the wilds of Gascony.

Next they mention the two Jewish founders of the main “neo-reac” magazine. Here is the current cover:

http://www.causeur.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/causeur.28.couv_-140×196.jpg

The headline is La Pitie Dangereuse, “the dangerous pity/mercy.” Seems they are importing to France our concepts of pathological altruism and ethno-masochism .

Other cover stories: “No to the McCarthyism of the Left!” and “Islam in France: Integration or Submission.”

* This jives with my impression of Europe from my one vacation there. My husband and I spent 4 days in London and 4 in Paris in 2003. In that time we saw a hit and run one evening, I think near the Waterloo train station, where a car took a curve too fast, skidded into a parked car, crunched it pretty hard, and just kept going. On another day my husband had a travel umbrella (brand new, of course) plucked right off the backpack on his back in the Musee d’Orsay. I’ve been to the major museums in NYC and LA many times over the last four decades (never mind museums in the rest of the country) and never been pick-pocketed. I’ve vacationed in many of the larger cities in the US, not to mention lived my entire adult life in the metropolitan NY/LA areas, and never observed/been a victim of crime, albeit minor, like we did on that trip.

* Jews were strongly represented in Italian fascist movement. It did turn OK for them – for a long time Italians protected their Jews from German lunacy. So, is this history trying to repeat?

* Is the crime rate actually increasing in Europe, or just decreased less than in the USA?

Also looking at their analysis of violent crime (in their paywallled paper), it is driven by a massive increase in recorded violent crime in the UK –

http://dmiropgz11l9w.cloudfront.net/content/economicpolicy/26/67/347/F3.medium.gif

Changes in the other nations are negligible.

But of course, there isn’t really a massive increase in violent crime in the UK.

It’s a change in the recording rate (more recording, relative to experiences of crime). Which you can find on pretty much any site, but here’s the Office of National Statistics in the UK, comparing the British Crime Survey rate (where violent crime peaks at around the same time as the US, then declines) to recorded crime rate:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/resources/figure2_tcm77-298989.png

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/resources/figure3_tcm77-299000.png

Garbage in, garbage out.

That’s why homicide is the most reliable indicator – people tend to notice bodies. They don’t tend to change how frequently they record them that much, funnily enough.

Why Consies have such a hard time believing in the violence falls in the late 20th century and the fact that they have little to do with “tough on crime” incarceration mania bollocks and moronic gunslinger shit, is frankly beyond me.

The Italian academics agitating for a good ol’ Prison Industrial Prosecutorial Complex like they have in the US, I can understand, but the Cuckservative pseudoCon doofus dad chumps who supposedly want lower taxes and individual freedom…

* I think a huge amount of bad stuff (crime, drug use, illegitimacy) is driven by social factors that are not really in anyone’s control. Affecting them by policy is really hard. That’s why pretty much the only policy intervention that seems to do any good wrt lowering crime rates is something huge and expensive like doubling the number of people we lock up.

* My second day in London in 1980, in a supermarket in Chelsea, a black youth shoved the cashier and grabbed the money out of her till and sprinted off. The store employees dashed off like they were chasing him but when I got outside they were discussing which pub to go to for a pint while they pretended to look for the long gone criminal. It appeared to be a regular ritual with them.

* A real problem is that homicides in England and Wales are not counted the same as in other countries. Most strikingly, their homicide numbers exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise.

American homicide rates are based on initial data, but British homicide rates are based on the final disposition. Suppose that three men kill a woman during an argument outside a bar. They are arrested for murder, but because of problems with identification (the main witness is dead), charges are eventually dropped. In American crime statistics, the event counts as a three-person homicide, but in British statistics it counts as nothing at all. With such differences in reporting criteria, comparisons of U.S. homicide rates with British homicide rates is a sham.

In 2012, the US murder rate was 4.7 per 100,000, a total of 14,827. Arrests amounted to only 7,133. Using only people who were arrested (not just convicted) would lower the US murder rate to 2.26 per 100,000. If about 2/3rds of those arrested are convicted, that would lower the rate to about 1.5 per 100,000.

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2013/10/warning-about-how-homicides-and-crime.html
http://rboatright.blogspot.com/2013/03/comparing-england-or-uk-murder-rates.html

In fact, almost no pair of countries uses the same homicide definitions.”

Source:

http://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/definition_of_homicide_in_national_statistics.pdf

http://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/definition_of_homicide_in_national_statistics.jpg

* Do we dictate your immigration policies? Do we tell you to let in the non-Europeans who commit most of the crimes in your countries?

Do we tell you to hammer the extremely European, highly intelligent Hungarians and accuse them of being Nazis when they try to protect your European world from invasion?

Please forgive me, for I am only an ignorant American living in blissful freedom with a legally concealed weapon under my Ralph Lauren blazer, but I thought you still had your own sovreign nations. If you don’t, I suggest you grow some American-style balls and take back your friggin’ country!

* Europe has absurdly lax sentencing for crimes. And prison in some countries is like a country club in order to reduce recidivism. Europeans need to adopt the Broken Windows policy that was successful in NYC, there is entirely too much pickpocketing and other crimes going on. They need longer sentences. I’m not sure about cushy prison but certainly the US should be concentrating more on rehabbing a criminal. One thing I did notice in Europe is that the police are rarely seen, it makes the US seem like a police state. The stat that blacks commit the most crime in London should be a wake up call for politicians regarding immigration. Also, immigrants from corrupt countries, whether it’s Eastern Europe or elsewhere will also increase crime. They don’t automatically become law abiding when they arrive in a low crime country. Lifetime welfare doesn’t help either, the UK’s yob culture is similar to the inner city black thug culture. Mandating conservative values of personal responsibility, discipline, hard work, and education could make a large dent in criminality. That’s how Singapore became successful.

* Jews have been the main driver of mass non-white immigration into Europe and America since WWII.

A few of them are now waking up to the consequences of what they’ve done and are starting to get antsy.

Most of those few are *only* concerned with Muslim immigration as they correctly see it as an existential threat to Jews. They still support unlimited mass non-white immigration – aka the race replacement and extinction of white Europeans – as long as the immigrants aren’t Muslim.

* “No more cash” is being pushed by economists and central bankers as a way to bring the entire economy under central control. If money only exists as electrical charges in silicon chips and every transaction can be centrally monitored, you cannot live your life off the grid. And NIRP (negative interest rate policies=taxes on savings accounts) are easily implemented to force you to spend and “stimulate” the economy.

* American living in Europe. I can confirm that U.S. influence is very ubiquitous within the European Union. Policy is dictated from on high via the U.S. State Department (and has gotten worse since Obana took over and instaurated the successive reigns of terror of Clinton and Kerry) and transmitted through ambassadorships, and compliance enforced via NATO. Part of the reason European people do not rise up is that they have been cowed into submission the way American whites have been cowed into accepting minority privilege, both de jure and de facto. But part of that cowing touches even the most resistant, nationalistic, religious and uneffeminate parts of European society in an important way: the whole setup is very difficult to detect on the local level, but if you happen to be an American citizen with politically connected local friends you start to fill in the pieces of the puzzle as you discreetly walk the lines and hear the talk.

* By virtue of your political, cultural and military power you set the terms.
An example of government meddling is this initiative by the US embassy in France “Minority Engagement Strategy”:

An extract: “France has long championed human rights and the
rule of law, both at home and abroad, and justifiably
perceives itself as a historic leader among democratic
nations. This history and self-perception will serve us well
as we implement the strategy outlined here, in which we press
France toward a fuller application of the democratic values
it espouses. This strategy is necessary because French
institutions have not proven themselves flexible enough to
adjust to the country’s increasingly heterodox demography.
Very few minorities hold leadership positions in France’s
public institutions.”

* Fifteen years ago as a tourist in a Balkan country, visiting one of the lesser cities, I noticed that on pensioner’s check day they weren’t receiving checks but actual cash in the envelope addressed to them. The mailman was making his route with a sackful of envelopes with cash in them. It was all very nonchalant, no one thought anything of it. I also got on a bus where the driver was making fare change from out of a cigar box in front of him. None of this could happen here in the US, they’d be robbed within hours. I thought to myself that this is normal living; always looking over one’s shoulder for whoever’s after them isn’t.

* Know Thyself. A few years ago thanks to Steve I stumbled across that, a response to edge.org’s 2012 question “What is your favorite deep, elegant or beautiful theory.” A social psychologist at UVA named Timothy Wilson responded with Self-Perception Theory.

While it is true that behavior emanates from people’s inner dispositions, Bern’s insight was to suggest that the reverse also holds. After we drag the recycling bin to the curb, we infer that we really care about the environment

“People draw inferences about who they are by observing their own behavior.” I bought Wilson’s book Strangers to Ourselves. But what seemed to me the most useful implication of the theory was absent from the book, the Occam’s Razor of why criminals are criminals, in particular why criminals tend to become progressively criminal. What propels their behavior seem to be tests of courage, each one anchoring with greater weight their identity, their self-conception as criminals, and the sort of courage called criminality. Ray Bradbury said (or anyways Marshall Mcluhan said he said) that violence is a form of the quest for identity.

That seems like it would be obvious but the point is that Self-Perception Theory is good science, Wilson’s edge.org response is worth reading in full.

How this might apply to incarceration is interesting. There is status among criminals between those who have been to prison and those who have been to jail, prison generally where sentences of over a year are served. To me, this suggests that sentences up to some length past a year are counterproductive towards recidivism. I don’t know what that point would be, but I would guess it at about five years, and I think the recidivism rate would bear that out, at least. Of course, total crime is what matters, not recidivism. But when thinking about the math, and the optimum incarceration regime, I definitely think realism about why criminals are criminals deserves not a little thought.

* Most French Jews are of North African descent who fled to France after the end of French colonialism due to Muslim anti-Jewish sentiment. Understandably they are wary of France becoming like the lands they fled. One simply cannot compare them to the Ashkenazim whose history is very different and who are highly overrepresented in all anti-European/anti-white movements.

* Alain Finkielkraut, one of the “neo-reactionnaires” mentioned in the article, is an Ashkenazi. So is Pamela Geller.

* Since Rotherham I would think that anyone with two brain cells to rub together would realize that Great Britain’s crime and crime stats are utterly unreliable. People who report rapes and protest them go to jail? Thousands of victims, undoubtedly hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) rapes, sexual assaults, and other crimes involving vulnerable children and the schools, social service agencies, and police collude to cover up the crime?

If I were conclude anything from that it is that England is truly deeply fucked and every man should be shamed by wearing a dress until crimes like that are stopped. But what do I know? I am just a dumb American where we actually jail pedophiles not cover up for them.

* In my experience only two things effect recidivism. First is age. For most criminals after a certain age they are done with crimes that will get them incarcerated or they’ve wised up and no longer commit crime on impulse but more carefully.

Second, is an actual job. If you can keep a guy at work for eight hours at something that provides some dignity you’ll see him much less likely to get into trouble. Community ties don’t hurt. Church, wife, kids, other friends (not his running buddies from the street).

As to your understanding of Jails and Prisons you really don’t know what they are like inside. Most jails are more chaotic. You are getting guys who are drunk drivers and you are getting murderers. Hell the tiny city jail in my town held an international contract killer for several months because the facility had been built with the help of the feds and they could claim half the bed space.

Big jails are full of violence, you don’t know how the inmates are going to react and a lot of them don’t know either.

By the time a guy is in prison he’s been a convict for a while. He knows how to do time whether or not he does it is another matter. He has a place and knows the rules. It might be the first place since he was twelve that he doesn’t get baked or tweak all day long while playing xbox. It might be the first place where he’s had to work at something eight hours a day to get what he really wants. It may be the first place where he can be reasonably sure that if violence erupts it won’t be minutes or hours but seconds before somebody responds and that he can go to his own cell and avoid the violence altogether if he wants. A well run prison while not a pleasant place to live can be much less chaotic and stressful to an inmate willing to follow the rules.

Usually in a prison you can separate the worst from the not so bad. You can balance the races on the tiers so that you don’t have to worry about a gang taking over (unless the feds get involved). You know how to keep circulating to keep them from mischief in corners or you set up cameras so there are no corners.

Sure they’ll still try to victimize each other from time to time. If they had impulse control they wouldn’t be in prison in the first place.

* Beverly Hills and nearby communities like Cheviot Hills fight tooth and nail to prevent light rail stops as they don’t want unticketed passengers to indulge in unreceipted shopping, let alone uncontracted home visitations or impromptu chauffeuring.

* Just imagine how you could improve British crime statistics by adopting the Sharia law principle that rape against a Christian woman isn’t a crime if done by a muslim. That would really drive the numbers down.

* Sentencing Project says there is no correlation between crime and incarceration rates…

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95580&page=1

So Obama decided to release thousands from jail…

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2015/1006/Justice-Department-plan-to-free-thousands-of-inmates-is-just-the-beginning

Obama also decided not to deport convicted criminal illegal aliens…

“In 2013 the Obama administration released 36,007 criminal immigrants who had nearly 88,000 convictions. Those convictions included 193 homicide convictions, 426 sexual assault convictions, 303 kidnapping convictions, and 1,075 aggravated assault convictions.

In January, the Department of Homeland Security revealed in a 38-page document to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA) showing that of those criminals released in 2013, 1,000 had gone on to commit additional crimes including, terroristic threats, lewd acts with a minor, various types of assault, DUI, robbery, hit-and-run, gang activity, rape, and child cruelty.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/07/more-than-347000-convicted-criminal-immigrants-at-large-in-u-s/

Obama decided to dismantle all US immigration laws…

“In a lengthy timeline released Monday, Sessions — the chairman of the Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest — lists every instance of the Obama administration ignoring, rewriting, delaying and breaking the nation’s immigration laws.

The timeline begins in January 2009 with the administration ending worksite enforcement actions and, 50 pages later, ends on February 13, 2015 with the House Judiciary Committee’s revelation that the administration included a “sneaky” avenue for illegal immigrants granted deferred status to be placed on a pathway to citizenship.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/02/16/sen-sessions-releases-lengthy-timeline-of-obama-administrations-dismantling-of-immigration-law/

On top of that, Obama will import 200,000 Syrians that the FBI will be unable to vet…

This is an American revolution that we are witnessing…

“I have always thought that in revolutions, especially democratic revolutions, madmen, not those so called by courtesy, but genuine madmen, have played a very considerable political part. One thing is certain, and that is that a condition of semi-madness is not unbecoming at such times, and often even leads to success.”

– Alexis de Tocqueville (1805 – 1859)

* But it seems to be we have been focused on solving the world’s problems while we have thrown up our hands on trying to solve many of our own. We have certainly ramped up sentences and have a lot more people in jail but while that undoubtedly did prevent crimes from occurring, the condition of the places where those prisoners came from didn’t get better, overall, as far as I know. So we’ve spent hundreds of billions of dollars on incarceration and law enforcement and the results are very unsatisfactory vs. the money spent.

If you ask me, in the last 20 years life has only gotten worse for the people at the bottom in America. Unemployment for high school dropouts and for people with records has gotten much higher, I think; in the big cities gentrification has been pushing people out of housing; the tens of millions of poor illegal and legal immigrants take up resources that could have and should have gone to better used to make things better for our own down and out folks.

Whatever we may think of criminals, the thing is most of them do get out and they have to live somehow. If things are worse for them every time they go away, if they can’t get work or a place to live, it only reinforces the whole downhill spiral of their family, their buildings, their neighborhoods and, eventually, the rest of us.

It’s past time for us to refocus on our own needs but what group or politician is calling for that?

* “The coloured races are not pacifists. They do not cling to a life whose length is its sole value. They take up the sword when we lay it down. Once they feared the white man; now they despise him. Our judgment stands written in their eyes when men and women comport themselves in their presence as we do, at home or in the lands of colour themselves. Once they were filled with terror at our power – as were the Germanic people before the first Roman legions. Today, when they are themselves a power, their mysterious soul – which we shall never understand – rises up and looks down upon the whites as on a thing of yesterday.” (Oswald Spengler)

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Swallowing The Red Pill

Our conversation was stimulated by this thread on Reddit’s Red Pill.

Friend: “I can’t quite “buy” the redpill stuff cuz I don’t see how it creates a future where women rediscover the virtue and value of chastity and modesty… It seems like a race to the bottom (pun intended?). I mean I can see that negging some hot girl in a bar might have get me laid, but if I have no plans to marry her, haven’t I just ruined her kinda? Isn’t there some moral entanglement here?”

Luke: Red pill means that the ideal number of sex partners a woman has before marriage is zero. More than ten and she’s a bad bet. Yes, you never leave a woman better by ****ing her outside of marriage. Women rightly regard everything that doesn’t lead to marriage as a waste.

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When Narcissists Fall Apart

From The Rawness:

Narcissists, without their armor of grandiosity, will fall apart. They reach a point where their armor is the only thing holding them together. Narcissists become what I like to call “grandiosity sharks.” Have you heard how a shark has to keep moving through water to breathe by pumping, and if the shark stops moving, he sinks to the bottom and dies? This is because sharks can’t pump water across their gills on their own like other fish can, so they have to constantly swim through water to externally move the water across their gills. If they stop swimming, sharks not only stop breathing, they sink to the bottom and die.

Well grandiosity sharks are people who have to keep swimming through a sea of external validation in order to breathe and stay afloat, because much like the shark can’t breathe internally, they can’t generate validation and self-esteem internally. If they stop moving through the sea of validation for a given amount of time, or their swimming is temporarily disrupted due to a blow to their ego, they figuratively suffocate, sink to the bottom and die.

As I’ve said in the previous installments, I believe the codependent is actually better off than the narcissist. Because codependents are more in touch with their feelings of self-worth, they have a better idea of what’s wrong with them. Also, because they are more aware that they have low self-worth issues, you don’t have to waste a lot of time convincing them they have low self-worth issues. They’re often the first people to admit they have low self-worth!

This gives codependents more self-awareness than the narcissist. The narcissist has blocked access to his own feelings of low self-worth thanks to the layers upon layers of defense mechanisms that make up his armor of grandiosity. You have to break down this grandiosity in order to get him to even admit to himself how low his self-worth is, and the worst narcissists would rather die than admit to themselves that they loathe themselves. And how can you go about fixing your problem when you can’t even admit to yourself much less others that you have a problem to begin with? This desperation to avoid accessing their own feelings of self-hatred helps explain why narcissists always blame others for everything but never themselves.

That’s why codependency is widely considered curable by mental health professionals but narcissism isn’t. To a narcissist, the payoff of remaining a narcissist is the ability to continue to lie to himself about how much he hates himself deep down. According to the narcissist’s warped logic, this ability to continue to lie to himself about the extent of his self-loathing is a better payoff than any potential benefit he would derivefrom curing his narcissism, because a cure would require him to access his feelings of self-loathing in order to deal with them. That’s why narcissists often have to hit rockbottom before they can seek help, because it’s only at rockbottom that their self-loathing becomes so bad the old defense mechanisms no longer work and they can’t suppress the self-loathing anymore or deny to themselves the true extent of their self-hatred. It’s only at rockbottom that their old strategy for dealing with ego setbacks, which was to replace old defense mechanisms with new, improved stronger defense mechanisms, no longer works.

…So the PUA, who thought he finally figured it all out and had finally found the final fictional goal that would wipe out all his past failures and most importantly his fix his core issues and reverse his primary inferiority feeling now realizes that at his core, nothing really changed. Suddenly he loses his grandiosity, and like I said, for a narcissist, even a compensatory one, grandiosity is all that holds him together. The new defense mechanisms he developed to create this grandiosity now start to fail him and he can’t project, can’t rationalize, can’t intellectualize and can’t deny, which causes him to re-access all those feelings of self-loathing he had been religiously blocking since he became a compensatory narcissist. He starts to feel his newest secondary inferiority feeling of failing as a PUA, then he starts to re-feel all his previous secondary inferiority feelings that drove him to become a PUA in the first place, then ultimately he re-feels the original primary inferiority that caused his deepest core issues to begin with.
Picture all these inferiority feelings rushing at you at once. Is it any wonder why Mystery turned suicidal and totally lost it when his stripper girlfriend chose another PUA over him (many strippers are narcissistic Cluster B emotional vampires)? Is it any wonder why Neil Strauss became obsessed with that woman Lisa once he realized his pickup tricks didn’t work on her? I have no proof and it’s pure speculation, but reading how he described their courtship I think it’s very possible she may have been a pure narcissist.
(By the way, I want to point out that stripping and sex work in general are profession that attracts a HUGELY disproprortionate amount of narcissists and borderline personality disorder sufferers, which lends credence to my theory that becoming a PUA often just makes one into a sophisticated form of codependent, because why else would these guys keep being drawn to strippers and pornstars, who can be some of the most severely personality-disordered people out there?)

…When you read the book The Game, Strauss and his PUA friends totally fall into these traps. The exploits and accomplishments he describes and the superpowers he claims these PUAs have definitely fall into “exaggerating achievements and talents.” In the book, Strauss is presenting himself as an expert and teaching bootcamps to strangers for money before ever even getting laid! And apparently it’s very common for guys who barely get laid to teach bootcamps. Isn’t that an example of “expecting to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements?”
Strauss discusses how pickup artists after a while always tend to distance themselves from or even dump their old friends who don’t follow PUA. Soon most of their friends are PUAs, because they believe those are the only people left that are worthy enough of associating with. They form organizations called “lairs,” rent houses and apartments and give them names like “Project Hollywood” and fill it with other PUAs as roommates. Isn’t this a perfect example of “believing he is ‘special’ and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special high-status people?”
Part of giving up their old non-PUA friends is that they believe they are holding them back because they won’t become PUAs too. The PUA has “swallowed the red pill” and his friends are now haters who can’t appreciate his success and his self-improvement. Now that he is improving, they can’t be happy and even start appearing envious to him. Strauss discusses similar dynamics in his book. Isn’t this an example of “believes others are envious of him?”

…There are plenty of stories, both within the book The Game and in lots of internet gossip surrounding the setting of the game, “Project Hollywood,” about the guys all trying to cockblock each other. One guy would be hitting on a girl, then the next guy would try to hit on the same girl behind his back, etc. They would call it “stealing sets.” At one point the PUA Herbal stole the girlfriend of Mystery from him, which caused Mystery to have a total mental breakdown. Doesn’t that describe a lack of empathy, an inability to “recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others?”
As for the rest of the elements of the narcissism definition like being preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited power, brilliance, success, beauty or ideal love, needing excessive admiration, having a sense of entitlement and being interpersonally exploitative, I believe when you read the book and read gossip from other sources regarding the people and events described in the book, all those aspects of narcissism are described in numerous, obvious examples…

…what sexual affection conquests are to a man, flattering attention and ego boosts are to woman. Society teaches women this from very young, and as a result women realize early the power they wield by strategically denying and granting men access to their vaginas, or even just the potential for access to their vaginas. Society however doesn’t teach men about the fact that flattering attention and ego boosts to a woman are as important as sexual conquests are to men, and that the best weapon men have against women and their way of leveling the playing field is to strategically deny and grant women access to their flattering attention, or even just the potential for access to their flattering attention. Women are told to respect themselves and their bodies, but men aren’t similarly taught to respect themselves and their time.

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Analyzing Neil Strauss

From The Rawness:

When I was doing Part 4 to this series, I did a lot of research on the internet and in the book The Game to try to make a psychological profile. One thing I found interesting though was how little of Neil Strauss’s background, particularly his childhood and upbringing, was discussed, as opposed to Mystery’s, which was described in excruciating detail.

I tried a bunch of Google searches and looked at his Wikipedia and it was incredibly vague about his childhood, so I had to end up doing the piece without that info and worked around it.

However I found some updated information that confirms a lot of my theories about Neil Strauss and his issues, so I am going to revise Part 4 with an update. However since it’s unfair to make people who already read that piece to make their way through it all over again just to track down the updated information, I decided to also make this addendum post isolating the information for people who already read the piece and are just looking to read the updated info.

I recently was made aware of an interview he did in March 2011 called “Regrets of a Pickup Artist” where he actually discusses his childhood, and it confirms a lot of the psychological elements I’ve discussed in this series.

The whole thing is short and interesting, so I recommend following the link and reading the whole thing, but here’s the part that jumped out at me:

Growing up, I was watched by my parents and strongly critiqued. Instead of saying they loved me or showing physical attention, they would joke that I had a Roman nose – that it was roamin’ all over my face. Teasing was their way of showing love, but then you are young, sometimes you can’t tell the difference.

As a teenager I was a guy who was trying to belong, yet never belonged. I was scrawny and wanted a nose job. Each night, at 15, I would go to bed and wish that I would live long enough to have sex.

My first crush was on a girl called Jessica when I was in sixth grade, but I was made fun of for following her wherever she went in school. Years later, at a school reunion, the first thing she did was make fun of my hairline.

High school was equally barren. My friends and I called ourselves the “V Club” because we were all virgins – it was like a bad teen movie. We would sacrifice any amount of dignity to lose our virginity and yet it never happened. The girl I took to the prom ended up leaving with another guy.

The main reason I went to Vassar College was because it had recently gone from a women’s school to co-ed, and I figured I had a good chance of having sex. That didn’t materialise, but in between transferring from Vassar to Columbia University I met a girl and, at 21, finally had sex. Because I didn’t know when it would happen again, I dated her for a couple of years.

He briefly discusses Lisa Leveridge:

While living this lifestyle I met Lisa Leveridge, the guitarist for Courtney Love’s all-girl band, the Chelsea. Lisa was like no other woman I’d met. When she walked into the room, it was like the seas parted. There was something about her that was just more complete than other women. After The Game was published in 2005, we lived together for a while. It was perfect, but after two years the relationship had run its course.

I found this pretty interesting, given the dynamic I described in part 3 about what creates chemistry in a codependent:

Here is what I think chemistry is. Some people think we get attracted to partners who represent our opposite-sex parent. Women supposedly marry their fathers and men supposedly marry their mothers. This is not necessarily true. In relationships, we feel intense chemistry with partners who remind us of aspects of our parents we have the most unresolved, open issues with. And in relationships, we become those aspects of our parents we most identified with.

Someone with codependent caretaker values, they have unresolved issues with hard to please parents and never getting their emotional needs met from them. Therefore when they have a lot of chemistry with someone, it tends to be with someone who has the same issues as their parents as far as being hard to please and being inconsiderate of the codependent’s emotional needs. That intense chemistry they feel, that familiarity, it comes from unconsciously recognizing the most influential dynamic of their lives: the dynamic they had with their parents.

When reading The Game, it seemed to me that Leveridge was giving off lots of mixed signals, thereby hooking Strauss with intermittent rewards, and was also withholding validation from him like a carrot on a stick much in the way his parents used to. Then after driving him craz with those techniques, she then hit him with a narcissistic technique known as “idealization” where she hit him with a ton of flattery and ego boosting. (All people with narcissistic tendencies idealize and then devalue later on.) Then he possibly rationalized it into being something much more noble than it actually was. I want to stress, I’m not saying Leveridge is a full-blown clinical narcissist or any other type of pathological emotional vampire, because I don’t know enough about her to say that for sure. I am saying, however, that she does seem to have some narcissistic traits based on how the book describes her. Strauss even admits that modesty was never her strong suit.

Because his parents didn’t seem to be all-out emotional vampires, but rather seemed more like relatively decent people who had a few unfortunate vampire tendencies, the girl that produced intense chemistry for him was a lot more normal than the extremely damaged girl who produced intense chemistry for Mystery, whose dad was an all-out vampire. But when skimming the book for this series of posts, I did notice that a lot of her “push-pull” techniques and withholding of praise seemed to be what hooked him the hardest. It seems like the negative aspects of his parents that Leveridge had in her are exactly what drew him to her.

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