Hillary’s Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police

Comments at Steve Sailer:

* The linked-to article explains something I was wondering about: “Super PACs are typically prohibited from working in tandem with candidates, but Correct the Record is doing just that by exploiting a loophole in campaign finance law that it says permits such coordination with digital campaigns.”

What does this look like from the viewpoint of the hasbara hireling? How do you get hired? How much do you get paid? Can you work simultaneously for Hillary and for Donald? Are there any production quotas? Can a hasbarista achieve distinction by churning out the most Stakhanov-like output?

* Pres. Garfield’s assassin sounds like a message board troll:

Charles Guiteau turned to politics after failing in several ventures, including theology, a law practice, bill collecting, and time in the utopian Oneida Community.

Guiteau’s speech, even in written form, was ineffective. Among other problems, his hurried effort to replace references to Grant with references to Garfield was incomplete. But Guiteau convinced himself that this speech was largely responsible for Garfield’s narrow victory over Democratic nominee Winfield S. Hancock.

* Orwell envisioned that the ultimate police state would control all information flow and delete anything bad for the state. That may be the case. However, if you can’t control the information, and your opponent has some strong facts on their side, the next best thing is to so saturate the market with conflicting information/opinions/talking points that your opponents’ argument/facts get lost in the cacophony of “who can really know what’s true?”

Flood the playing field so everything gets too muddy to sort out. Game gets called on account of rain. If you were losing anyway, that kind of tie is really a win.

I remember an old Star Trek:The Next Generation episode (might have even had a guest appearance by Dr. Spock). The Bad Aliens were planning on invading Planet X via some convoluted means, and the Bad Alien Leader revealed the plans to captured Federation guys in a classic Bond Villain/Supervillain exposition .

The plan involved the Bad Aliens sending some false information to the planet in a fake emergency scenario. The Federation guy says that Planet X was too smart and wouldn’t believe such false information. The Bad Alien guy counters: “We don’t need them to believe us. We just need them to be confused long enough to carry out our plan.”

That’s pretty much how hasbara-type campaigns work. They don’t need you to believe their counterattacks, just to be confused as to what actually is going on via a lot of white noise and double talk until the average joe just throws up his hands and walks away. It’s how the Clintons have gotten away with a lot of their scandals: her and her changing stories and multiple different witnesses contradicting each other make it really hard to tell what happened, and the average joe loses interest.

A good prosecutor could, in fact, make it make sense. Or it could fall apart if a defendant had an ounce of shame. Unfortunately, neither has occurred with the Clintons.

* Hasbara tactics may not be effective as propaganda but they may serve another purpose. By flooding comment forums with insulting ad hominem or off topic posts they discourage others from commenting or even have the comment forum shut down.

* I was talking with my kids today about what motivates politicians: I said that I thought lots of low-level hacks were motivated largely by money, but that really top-level people — President, Secretary of State, etc. — were motivated largely by ideology.

But then, on second thought, I stopped myself and admitted that the Clintons seem to be motivated largely by money.

White trash never really stops being white trash.

* So, now we can honestly say that there are two sorts of online supporters of Hillary: Some are getting paid for prostituting themselves. And, some just give it away for free.

* Good points about confusing people with different theories and allegations. The information genie is out of the bottle, and societies where the government could keep people in the dark are gone forever. So the only option is to confuse them with a blizzard of contradictory information. That’s why I’m put off conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination, 9/11, etc. There are so many theories to choose from, most of them ludicrously implausible, and I don’t have the time or the energy to sift through the rubbish to find the more reasonable ones.

* Hasbara is inefficient and gets annoying quickly.

Obviously a loon (as determined by prison psychologist Lisa Feldman) but he inadvertently exposed that there’s a more efficient cyber strategy than the traditional haranguing.

Wikipedia: Joshua Ryne Goldberg (born 1994 or 1995) is an American internet troll, who was arrested by the U.S. government for allegedly distributing information about bomb-making techniques as part of an attempt to incite acts of Islamist terrorism on the 14th anniversary of the September 11 attacks. He reportedly did this by posing as a Lebanese-Australian jihadist affiliated with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS).[1][2][3]

Goldberg first received widespread media attention under his alleged Twitter handle “Australi Witness” following the Curtis Culwell Center attack, a terrorist attack on a Garland, Texas exhibit featuring images of Muhammad in May 2015, in which two assailants died in a shootout with police. The “Australi Witness” persona, had, posing as a Perth jihadist, called for an attack on, and posted maps of, the center where the exhibit was taking place, and praised the jihadist attackers in its aftermath, and was retweeted by one of the assailants before the attack.[4] His trial was suspended after it emerged that he had previously been diagnosed with schizophrenia and anxiety disorder as part of a long history of mental illness, and he was found incompetent to stand trial[5] pending efforts by doctors to return him to competence.

* Bernie Sanders is not what we would call a: rational actor. His campaign was more of a barnstorming tour for socialism, rather than a serious candidacy.

Consider that for the first time since Debs, a socialist was a major contender for President. The stigma of the USSR is gone for millennials.

Despite the Bern’s tenuous relationship with the Democratic Party, he’s not going to undermine the left’s pain train of identity politics. A Trump presidency is the closest any of us have ever dreamed of reaching an immigration shutdown.

* A few weeks ago, I posted contradictory information on a BLM Facebook page. I also said something to the effect of “black dad’s matter,” as well as facts regarding Michael Brown. It was like a sack of hornets converging with bizarre and shrill accusations galore from regulars on the site.

A few days ago, my Facebook account was suspended. I was informed that my account was suspended until I provided evidence that I was who I said I was. They required a scan either my driver’s license, my birth certificate, or mail of a utility bill with my name and address on it. I’ve have the account for years.

What this means is, unless I dox myself for Facebook, so they can keep a record of me, for future use, my account cannot be cancelled, and can never be used again. All my posts, email messages, Facebook messages, photographs will remain with Facebook, as property of Facebook.

This also means Facebook can cite me as one of their users, even though I cannot cancel the account, which I would if they’d allow it.

This being the case, I’m hard put to figure out how Scott Zuckerberg isn’t a functional sociopath.

This is because he seems to be saying, “if you post anything against any political theory of mine, I will dox you, so that I can have leverage over you in the future, should it ever come to that. In the meantime, what you’ve posted so far, I own and control for good.”

Again, I didn’t post anything on the BLM pity page besides a differing opinion, as well as contradictory citations.

* #1. Bill Clinton told a long-time lover, and she put it in a book, that she had the baby only because somebody told her it was the only way she was going to be a president some day.

(A British paper in 1992 wrote that the big money boys told Bill back in Arkansas that they would back him, but he had to quit snorting first. Maybe that’s why Jerry Brown never made that run?)

* When I was at Rutgers, I saw a number of advertisements posted for paid social activist positions, though not specifically for online spots. Libs have to fake the grassroots aspect of so many of their positions, because they’re not really anywhere near as popular among the masses as the media would have you believe- its all superficial posturing “a mile wide and an inch deep” as the saying goes.

* How come the phrase “white trash” is never used for other races, ethnicities, etc?

In other words, why is “trash” coupled with white, when whites are pretty much responsible for a lot of good in the world in various fields of endeavors?

That’s a fair question. And, uh, don’t other races and ethnicities have trash in their midsts?

* You have to talk about Tim Kaine’s first speech as Clinton’s VP. First, he switched between English and Spanish. Second, a huge portion was about how his father in law, the Republican governor of Virginia, sent his children to integrated schools. Then when he became governor he and his wife followed their lead with his children, because he wasn’t going to have one rule for himself and one for the rest of the people.

He also spent a year in Honduras during missionary work, and has spent a lifetime suing private interests for “discriminating” against blacks.

The word “cuck” is not strong enough. The man is the most repulsive politician I have seen in a long time.

* A couple months ago the Taki’s comments became little more than two or three new people constantly accusing established regulars of being hasbara. It got tiresome quickly.

In fact now that I think about it that’s how I ended up here — because the comments are moderated. It’s almost like we need a border and some enforcement to have nice things?

There’s a metaphor in there somewhere…

* People have not thought through what’s going to happen if Hillary is elected. We’d be having three women–Hilary, Huma, and Cheryl Mills–who have been threatened with prosecution and jail, seizing the reins of power. In other words, they’re paranoid, scared, angry, and out for revenge. This is a unique situation. We’ve never had anything like this happen before in American politics. A psychiatrist would tell you that anyone, no matter who they are, would be traumatized and radicalized by such an experience. People in this frame of mind became capable of doing anything in their quest to protect themselves. They become capable of extremes of behavior way outside the norm. If you know ancient Roman history, you can guess what’s going to happen.

First, the FBI is going to be gutted. Any agent working on their investigation is going to be cashiered, and I think it’s possible the agents will be smeared, framed, and jailed themselves. Hillary will want all threats neutralized one way or another. All the evidence against Hillary and her aides will be destroyed permanently. Second, any government worker who is not a Hillary supporter is going to be kicked out of their job. If you thought Trump was going to clean them out, just wait and see what a paranoid Hillary does. Our current government is stuffed with Obamabots. They have no loyalty to Hillary, and she knows it. She also knows that it was with the Obama administration’s approval that she was investigated. The Obama people didn’t support her in the primary in 2008, and they don’t support her now. She’s never forgotten or forgiven this. Everyone knows why she had an independent server set up in a closet. She didn’t trust Obama farther than she could throw him, and she didn’t want him getting hold of any ammunition to use against her when she was Secretary of State.

Hillary isn’t going to want anyone writing tell-all books about her after she’s out of office, or giving any evidence to any committee that can be used to prosecute her for impeachment, or blacken her name after she’s out of office. The entire government is going to be turned inside out and stuffed with Hillarybots. And if you thought Republicans had it hard under Obama, just wait and see what Hillary does. She’s going to go all Nixon on her enemies’ tax returns. She’s seen that no one has been able to stop Obama from doing this, so she knows she has complete freedom to copy him. She’ll use every lever of power she can against her enemies. Remember, she’s angry, paranoid, and out for revenge. She’ll do this and many other filthy deeds without hesitation. If she doesn’t hesitate about killing people in the Middle East, she’s not going to care about you.

But keep in mind she could go much farther than the scenarios above. She’s always been arrogant. She thinks she’s pure and high-minded, and she’s convinced her enemies are genuinely evil and out to get her (remember the right-wing Republican conspiracy she loves to talk about? She was paranoid long before the current investigation into her server) and she thinks Republicans deserve what they get. To her, that justifies every bad thing that happens to them, no matter how illegal or immoral.

She must be stopped.

* Payola is common in conservative media. A few years ago some “conservative” got jammed up for talking money from Malaysia to promote Malaysia in their “opinion” pieces. Both parties have guys at the various sites who will follow orders. The Wikileakes scandal everyone in media is ignoring is pretty funny. Some of these pens for hire are nothing more than rentboys.

The Official Right is loaded with these stuff. The Wilkes Brothers are in bed with a number of outlets. I think they are bankrolling Beck and Erickson. They had Ben Shapiro on their payroll during the primary.

* Trump’s Luck has been pretty remarkable of late.

The news events immediately leading up to the RNC and immediately after it were a perfect storm seemingly designed to impress on the American people the reality and importance of the positions Trump took in his speech.

Apart from election time itself, there may be no more propitious time for events to make a message resonate and register than in the introduction of a Presidential candidate in his convention speech. It will leave a long lasting impression almost no matter how the news of the remainder of the cycle plays out — though, at this time, it’s pretty hard to believe that we won’t be seeing a good deal of the same sort of things going forward.

* In UK politics/media there are various talking heads who are billed as internet savvy types when seen on TV or interviewed on the radio. But when you visit their blogs, Twitter, Youtube channels it’s a wasteland, few views, few comments (if any), most of them crap. The alt-right equivalents are powerhouses by comparison, except of course that none of their big players will be allowed within 6 million miles of TV or radio.

I’m thinking of people like Owen Jones and Laurie Penny.

* The original saying was the William Jennings Bryan was like the River Platte in his native Nebraska, “two miles wide at the mouth and about six inches deep.”

The problem on the internet is that the change in what is supposed to be the “big issue”, “major problem”, “existential crisis” or what have you changes radically every three or four days, in accordance with normal news cycles. Nobody can pretend to be experts in all of these disparate fields, but if you are a journalist or an official talking head / egghead, you are still required to opine authoritatively on all of it.

What is really needed is fractional personal knowledge and/or some personal quantum of expert knowledge, which, in the aggregate, can add up to something useful. That is why comments sections are frequently valuable.

The other thing that would be really useful is a detailed study of what the problem is, presented in a manner that is at least trying to be balanced, that is much less common and would require one to be “off line” for an extended period. Amateurs can do that. Professionals rarely.

* When you consider the leverage effect of the fact that iSteve commentators are le creme of the online intelligentsia; and that every comment that goes forth from here probably inspires 100 men to comment elsewhere on the internet, the very impressive figure of 1000 comments starts to look colossal.

* “But the Robbins response confirmed a well-established rule of social media: The kind of confrontations Correct the Record is manufacturing almost never win converts.”

But they could be useful in silencing dissent, which I’m sure is the point. Who wants to spend hours replying to dozens of paid trolls? Most people will conclude that it isn’t worth the effort to express an opinion that could lead to such a reaction. Just make an example out of a few celebrities, then presto, no more dissenting opinions.

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Variety: Nickelodeon’s ‘Loud House’ to Feature Married Gay Couple

Arya Roshanian writes:

Nickelodeon is about to bring down the house — the “Loud House,” that is.

The children’s TV network will introduce a bi-racial gay couple on the animated show “The Loud House.” The series, which centers around the life of Lincoln Loud and his ten sisters, will be the first Nickelodeon show in history to feature a married same-sex couple.

COMMENTS AT VARIETY:

* Just another part of America’s Goal & our Demise into Complete Moral Bankruptcy. Obviously it’s OK though since We the SHEEPle Just Don’t Care anymore!

* I have gay people in my family and I do really love them but this situation is not for kids it is an adult conversation. I will not let my kids watch this. This is too far. They are too young to understand they have other things to worry about growing up. sex topics are not to be introduced this early in the game.

* Aren’t the cartoons supposed to be for the kids??!! A kid shouldn’t have to see that shit! I have nothing against the LGBT community but this is insane.. cartoons used to be about kid stuff. Now it’s like the cartoons are for the adults! SpongeBob isn’t the same anymore he’s shown too much interest in squidward, the new Powerpuff girls series is terrible, they went from saving the world to shaking they ass like they’re grown! I’m a huge cartoon fan, as grown as I am, and I’ve watched alot of the new shit they have out. Teen Titans? No more action packed fights, all they wanna do is shake their ass too and talking about hooking up and all the shit that grown ups talk about.. smh I cried when I seen that episode of Loud House. I really thought that it was a good show until they put two men together to act as his parents. A little african american boy at that! Why couldn’t lincoln have two dads or two moms? Wtf is wrong with society?! Let the kids grow up first goddamn! Before you brainwash them thru their own cartoons.. Like I said nothing against LGBT but, i swear, anymore gay or lesbian couples on those innocent kids tv shows I will gladly sit them down in front of Netflix so they can watch real cartoons. No more cable for my family.

* I’m glad that you have your own beliefs, that’s great! Luckily, children are the fastest learners out there when it comes to digesting new “content” (as you put it) and comprehending the world around them, that’s why they can learn language at a breakneck pace and become functioning humans in such a short time (they progress from a single-cell organism to a breathing, speaking child that is able to read in 6 short years). On the other hand, it is adults that have trouble digesting new content. How many years do you think it would take you to learn Russian? A child can learn to speak it fluently in just a few years. I think you should be less worried about how the kids will react to the show and more concerned about how adults will react. No child is going to disagree with two guys being married until an adult tells him it’s wrong. Just like a child learns that letters and symbols carry meaning from the grownups around him, he also learns that homosexuality is wrong when adults tell him it is. Maybe you meant to say that you don’t want to expose children to the hardship and pain that homosexuals experience in the violent and intolerant world today because that is surely an adult conversation, but love between two guys is nothing to get your panties in a wad about!

* 50 million Americans voted to ban “gay marriage”, and the fact that seven unelected lawyers, including that unethical, senile old sot Ginsberg, illegally overruled them doesn’t mean those good people have changed their minds. Nick is a failing kids cartoon network desperate to get some press. Naturally weak-minded sycophantic Social Justice Warriors would applaud its pandering plea for attention.

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‘I can’t believe foreign countries are happy about Trump not wanting to start a war with them. This is an outrage.’

I guess Trump is irresponsible because he does not want to go to war with Russia.

Politico: Why Russia Is Rejoicing Over Trump

Dropping threatening language from the GOP platform is just the sort of bonus Moscow expects from its man Donald.

MOSCOW—Excited by Donald Trump’s pledge to promote “easing of tensions and improved relations with Russia,” the Kremlin establishment earlier this month invited Trump adviser Carter Page to speak before graduating students of the New Economic School. Page did not disappoint. In his remarks, Page condemned current American policy for its “often-hypocritical focus on democratization, inequality, corruption and regime change.” When a Russian student asked Page whether he really believed that American society was liberal and democratic, Trump’s adviser grinned and delivered a line that might have come from Vladimir Putin himself. “I surround the word ‘liberal’ with quotes,” he said. ”I tend to agree with you that it’s not always as liberal as it may seem,” he said. “I’m with you.”
It was thus perfectly in keeping with Trump campaign’s entente with the Kremlin that last week Trump aides reportedly watered down the new Republican platform on Russia, removing language that called for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces. Page, an energy expert, has close ties to Russian business and relationships with executives at Gazprom, the giant state-run gas company. Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has worked as a lobbyist for former Ukraine’s former Russia-aligned president, Viktor Yanukovych.

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Overcoming Under-Earning

I’m listening to Peter give the latest share from the Underearners Anonymous beginners phone meeting on Sundays at 8am PDT:

For me not to under-earn today, I have to be bigger than I think I am.

My first recording was #148. It’s interesting to see how far I have come in the last year and a half.

I came to this program four and a half years ago. Before that, I spent about 12 years in Codependents Anonymous and about 11 years in Debtors Anonymous. Those programs were great but my work situation changed in 2009 and I went from prosperity to almost no income. Earning became a struggle. Old patterns of behavior came up. I was a mess. I was hiding out.

I relate to the symptoms in this program, about wanting to hide out in life. I have a thinking problem that leads to a shrinking problem, a desire to be as small as possible, so small that people leave me alone. That’s a problem when trying to create a happy and abundant life.

I have carried over tools from Debtors Anonymous. I keep a written record of how I spend my time.

I now work as a fine arts photographer. When I came into UA, it was difficult for me to show my work. Nobody saw my work. I had a lot of jealousy and envy of other photographers who were doing well, people who were out there and visible. That conspired to keep me small.

The difference between then and now is that I have had a dozen solo exhibitions of my photography and been in dozens of group exhibitions. I show new work daily on social media. I’ve gone from nobody seeing my work to hundreds of thousands of people seeing my work.

I’ve won 31 awards for my photography. Before UA, I never won anything because I never felt good enough to enter anything.

If I want success, it helps for me to help other people be successful. The more I foster success in other people, the more it is available to me.

I worked the 12 Steps initially with a step partner and then I found a sponsor and worked the 12 Steps with her. It is a gift to have someone I can check in with regularly for support and guidance.

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The Alt-Right At The RNC

Joan Walsh writes for The Nation:

An exhilarated Richard Spencer, a leading white nationalist who coined the term “alt-right,” introduced himself to me just as Milo began to speak. “This is the alt-right convention! We were really absent in 2012; we have a big presence here, in a way we never had before.” Spencer, 38, is witty and well-dressed and happy to politely spar with journalists of the left. He came to national attention last year when he pronounced Donald Trump as the candidate for white Americans in an interview with The Washington Post’s David Weigel. Almost exactly a year later, he’s even happier with the presumptive GOP nominee.

“I think with Trump, you shouldn’t look at his policies. His policies aren’t important. What’s most important about Trump is the emotion. He’s awakened a sense of ‘Us’ a sense of nationalism among white people. He’s done more to awaken that nationalism than anyone in my lifetime. I love the man.”

It was a very friendly crowd, many of whom seemed to recognize me as the author of a book that is not exactly the bible of the white-nationalist movement. One of the organizers, Chris Barron, the genial founder of GOProud, greeted me warmly, and several people went out of their way to say hello. “You blocked me on Twitter,” says a friendly Josh Smith, who used to run one of two Salon.com parody accounts. Smith has turned out to see his hero Milo, but he’s impressed by the luminaries in the room. He points out to me the urbane, white-haired Peter Brimelow, the long-time, pro-white, anti-immigration writer and agitator who runs the similarly themed site VDare.com. “Isn’t he kind of a white nationalist, or white supremacist?” I ask Smith. He smiles. “What is white supremacy, really?”

…Richard Spencer told me he doesn’t know what Trump will do either, but he seems to trust him more. I ask him what his larger political goals are, beyond electing Trump, and he draws me into a friendly, if surreal, conversation about the future of white people. At first, he sounds pragmatic. “We are going to be a minority. If we ceased all immigration tomorrow, we’d still become a minority. So we need a radical reorientation, and we need a new consciousness, to determine what we want.”

OK, I’ll bite, I decide, and I ask him what he thinks “we” should want.

“What I care about is not just about being comfortable. It’s not just about safety, or national security. White people are unique in the sense that, we are the ones who are going to explore the world. We’ll need our own state eventually, for our Faustian destiny to explore the outer universe. That is what we were put on this earth to do. We weren’t put on this earth to be nice to minorities, or to be a multiculti fun nation. Why are we not exploring Jupiter at this moment? Why are we trying to equalize black and white test scores? I think our destiny is in the stars. Why aren’t we trying for the stars?”

When I try to argue that equality and pluralism are central to the nation’s founding documents, he looks disgusted. “When I look at Thomas Jefferson’s writings, the Declaration of Independence, it makes me want to vomit. The idea that a ‘creator’ made all human beings equal? That’s ridiculous. The idea that all human beings are equal is such an appalling sentiment. We’re here on this earth for such a short period of time. The idea that we would dedicate ourselves to something as stupid as ‘equality’ or ‘democracy’ is morally insulting to me.” Nearby I notice a man carrying a sign: “Income Inequality = I.Q. Inequality.”

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Better Know an RNC White Supremacist: Richard Spencer

Michelle Goldberg writes:

CLEVELAND—On Tuesday afternoon, the 38-year-old white nationalist Richard Spencer stood in Cleveland’s Public Square with a hand-lettered sign saying, “Wanna Talk to a ‘Racist’?” He wanted to demystify white separatism. “Because the society we live in, if you espouse our views you’re usually shouted down, so I think a lot of people want to remain anonymous,” he told me. “I’m one of the few people who will be open about stuff.”

Spencer, who divides his time between Virginia and Montana, is the president of the National Policy Institute, which bills itself as “an independent organization dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of people of European descent in the United States, and around the world.” The founder of the website AlternativeRight.com, he’s an important figure in the so-called alt-right movement. As he told one of his incredulous interlocutors in the Public Square, he believes that race “is the foundation of culture, society, politics, and identity.” He dreams of a white ethno-state, which will allow white people “to unlock our potential. And that is the exploration of the universe. That is the unlocking of our Faustian will.”

Spencer is excited by the way Trump is transforming the GOP into a party that’s explicitly about white identity politics. “Trump seems to be emotionally connected to us,” he told me. “Not really intellectually connected to us, but emotionally connected to millions of white people who think like I do. He’s brought this existential quality to politics. He’s asked questions of, Are we a nation? If we’re a nation, we have borders. Conservatives are usually wimps who want to talk about ‘laws’ and ‘the Constitution’ and blah blah blah. He’s talked about the real dope.”

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WP: Donald Trump is expanding his Muslim ban, not rolling it back

Washington Post:

Donald Trump made clear this weekend that he has not rolled back his proposal to ban Muslims from entering the United States, despite top allies insisting that he had.

In accepting the Republican nomination on Thursday night, Trump said the country “must immediately suspend immigration from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism until such time it’s proven that vetting mechanisms have been put in place.” Trump made no mention of Muslims in the speech, leading many to conclude that Trump had formally changed his position — just as a number of his top allies, including his running mate, said he had.

During an interview this weekend with NBC’s “Meet the Press,” host Chuck Todd asked Trump whether his comment should be interpreted as a “slight rollback.”

“I don’t think so. I actually don’t think it’s a rollback. In fact, you could say it’s an expansion,” Trump said. “I’m looking now at territory. People were so upset when I used the word ‘Muslim’: ‘Oh, you can’t use the word “Muslim.”‘ Remember this. And I’m okay with that, because I’m talking territory instead of Muslim.”

Trump first proposed banning nearly all Muslims overseas from the country in early December, soon after a terrorist attack in San Bernardino, Calif. Trump’s original statement — which calls for “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States” — is still on his campaign website. This position continues to be one of Trump’s most controversial and a key reason that some fellow Republicans do not want to help him with his campaign.

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LAT: I had lunch with a right-wing white nationalist group. Here’s what I learned

Annie Z. Yu writes for the Los Angeles Times:

They don’t actually support Donald Trump or the Republican party.

“If you think about it, most Trump supporters are working-class white Americans. Those are our constituents,” said Matthew Heimbach, the 25-year-old chairman and co-founder of the group. “They might not be voting for us yet, but that’s only because they don’t know they have that option.”

They want to redraw state boundaries into “regions” that have similar ethnicities, political views and values.

Heimbach believes the country is so polarized that there’s nothing that unites Americans other than using the same currency.

“We even speak different languages,” he said.

One example: He’d like one “region,” from Pennsylvania down to the upper part of the South, running through Appalachia.

The group thinks social issues like gay marriage and abortion should be decided at regional levels like the one he’s proposed.

“Let’s stop fighting a culture war. Just declare both sides victors, and in your respective region, do what you think is best,” he said.

They’re against “forced multiculturalism,” and they want a full stop on immigration into their region.

This includes all immigration — legal and illegal.

“Zero net migration, I think would be fair,” Heimbach said.

But they don’t want to stop other regions of the country from welcoming diversity, if that’s what they want.

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Leon Wieseltier Is Not A Fan Of German Intellectual Thilo Sarrazin

Leon Wieseltier writes in The New Republic Nov. 9, 2010: “Over a perfectly prepared bowl of cholent, the coarse stew to which all Galicianer souls are superstitiously attached, I sat in the kosher restaurant in Munich last week, on the gleaming modernist island of the city’s new Jewish institutions, and read the correspondence between Gershom Scholem and Hannah Arendt, which has just been published in Germany. The radio played American oldies of the 1960s, in a pernicious attempt to make me feel at home. The situation was emotionally impossible, of course. It did not help that Thilo Sarrazin’s vile book, in which he deploys against Muslims in Germany the same argument that, from the eighteenth century onward, was deployed against Jews in Germany—they live apart, they have laws of their own, they do not integrate well—was flying out of the local bookstores. Some Germans are again mistaking alterity for a security threat.”

What is “alterity”? According to Google: “the state of being other or different; otherness.”

From my news and Twitter feed today:

* German machete attack: At least one person killed and two others injured near Stuttgart

Man has been arrested by police following assault outside kebab shop

* GERMANY – Perpetrator of deadly knife attack this afternoon is a 21 year old Syrian ‘refugee’. #Reutlingen

* European women are being murdered in the streets by invaders. We’re enriched.

* oh, another terrorist attack from the religion of peace? the sun must have come up today.

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American Dream v. Israeli Dream: Jennifer Rubin and Mickey Kaus debate

From Steve Sailer May 12, 2013:

A commenter transcribes a 2011 videologue between Mickey Kaus and Jennifer Rubin of the Washington Post:

iscussion begins after 50:00. Jennifer Rubin and Mickey Kaus discuss an alleged difference between the American Dream and the Israeli Dream:
RUBIN. The reason they won’t recognize Israel as “the Jewish state” is that they are refusing to give up on the right of return, the right of every single refugee, their children and grandchildren, to return to Israel. Translated into parlance it means they are going to destroy Israel if not by the bullet, at least by demography.
KAUS: Why don’t they believe in open borders Jennifer? It seems that is your position.
RUBIN: [laughter]
KAUS: These people are willing to go to Israel to work and why are they putting these impediments in their way? It’s almost as if they are like Tom Tancredo.
RUBIN: Well, it’s because they haven’t been coming there to work. They’ve been coming there to blow up pizza parlors and kill children.

[Steve Sailer: According to Prime Minister Netanyahu, the top priority of Israel’s new razorwire fence along the Egyptian border is to keep black economic migrants, with keeping out terrorists only a secondary consideration.]

KAUS: But even if they came there to work, there would no longer be a Jewish state.
RUBIN: Well, they certainly could. Right now they have people who are coming through checkpoints. Every country in the world, and especially in the Middle East, have people who are coming for work permits and then return. So the issue is not where they are working. The issue is not the labor issue. The issue is, do these people want to kill the inhabitants, which they’ve been doing. And we forget the major success and I’ve got to tell you Mickey this is the greatest argument in the world for building the wall. The greatest success, the greatest help toward defusing violence in the Middle East came when Israel built its wall, it’s green [great?] wall….
KAUS: Really?
RUBIN: Tall walls make good neighbors.
KAUS: Walls work. And let the record also show that you are willing to restrict immigration to preserve the ethnic identity of a state and which you would never tolerate in America if Anglo Saxons said, you know, we don’t want to become a Latino State, we want to be a non-Latino State, so we have to restrict immigration. You would never tolerate it.
RUBIN: That’s because the difference is, America is founded on a different principle. Israel is founded on the principle of being a Jewish state. The Arabs have 22 or 23 of them, or 29 of them, I lose track. Israel was founded on the premise, that’s what Zionism is–a state of the Jews. And people don’t like it, but that’s what it’s about. America is not founded on the principle of America for White People or America for Europeans. It is founded really on an idea. And that idea, if people are willing to assimilate, and I’m a big advocate of assimilation, should not be restricted on the basis of race or religion or language, as long as they are willing to eventually learn English and be part of the body politic. It’s a completely different situation bw the United States and Israel.

SAILER: Personally, I was always under the impression that the reasons for which the Founders founded the United States government are explained in the Preamble to the Constitution:

“We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

The Preamble says “secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.” For some reason, perhaps a typo, the Founders left out the part about the “wretched refuse of your teeming shore.”

COMMENTS:

* The Preamble also reads “provide for the common defense.”

It is reasonable to believe that what was foremost in the minds of the Founders when they referred to “common defense” was the protection of American territory from foreign invasion (styled as “immigration” or otherwise).

It is, on the other hand, difficult to believe the Founder’s purpose in writing the Constitution was to provide for the defense of the jewish conquest of Palestine (for example, by bombing Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen, or any other Middle Eastern people who raise an objection).

* But Rubin doesn’t have a problem disparaging entire ethnic groups when it suits her own ethnic supremacist agenda…

KAUS: [Palestinian Gentiles] are willing to go to Israel to work and why are they putting these impediments in their way? It’s almost as if they are like Tom Tancredo.

RUBIN: Well, it’s because they haven’t been coming there to work. They’ve been coming there to blow up pizza parlors and kill children.

* This is really an absurd argument for immigration to the United States, or, conversely, for immigration restriction to Israel. But it is employed all the time, apparently with some effect.

What is the best rebuttal to persuade the crowd? The argument can obviously be attacked for its factual and normative premises. Instinct, however, is suggesting to me it might be best not to even dignify the argument by getting into the factual or normative particulars, but essentially ignore its structure and to counter with a wholly different frame or idea in favor of immigration control (or in favor of a Gentile right of return to Israel).

* So according to Rubin, non-discrimination isn’t really better than open borders, it’s just arbitrary depending on whether you were founded on that principle or not. Neither view is more moral or better than the other. As a consequence, switching from one principle to the other isn’t really bad or immoral since there is no fact of the matter whether one is better than the other. So saying that you want America to be an ethno-state isn’t immoral or racist, even if it is inconsistent with an earlier principle. Kaus should have jumped on that.

* He could have immediately followed up with where she’s getting that information or how consistent her argument is regarding open borders in European countries.

* America was not founded to be an immigrant-state for the world. That is nonsense. Jewish hypocrisy is despicable.

* 1. Rubin says that it’s okay to keep Israel as a Jewish state since it was founded as such. Using that logic, why do Jews push open borders on every European state that was NOT founded on an ‘idea’ but are rooted in tradition of blood and soil? If a German said Germany must always be for Germans with German blood, how would Jews react? I recall Leon Wieseltier called Thilo Sarrazin some very bad words.

2. Following Rubin’s logic, IF America had indeed been founded on ideas of race and ethnicity, would it then be okay with her if US immigration policy favored whites? Or, would she argue that the founding principles of America were corrupt and evil and must be changed?
I mean, since when do Jews care about the founding principles of America? They wanna take our guns away though the second amendment protects our rights. Though I support abortion, where in the Constitution does it say anything the federal government deciding abortion rights? And where in the constitution does it allow ‘affirmative action’? Where does it allow ‘gay marriage’? Where does it allow ‘amnesty for illegals who violated American laws’? Where does it allow the banning of ‘hate speech’? Where does it allow the statist takeover healthcare? Where does it allow in the Constitution for US to bend over backward for a foreign nation like Israel?

And if Rubin really cares about founding principles of America, the constitution says states have the right to secede. The south rightfully seceded, and one of its founding principles was the right of slavery. Loathsome or not, it was a founding principle of the new confederacy that broke off legally(according the rules of the constitution). So, would Rubin argue that the South was right to break off & practice slavery and the North was wrong to wage war and forcibly change the South? If she’s so into legality and founding principles, the South did nothing wrong.

3. Rubin seems to believe that open borders isn’t merely a founding principle of America but the best policy all around the world.
We all know that constitution can be amended(as allowed by the founding principles of America). Suppose white people in America decide to amend the constitution to ensure that America remain a majority white European nation. Suppose this is done according to the rules of Constitution as written by the Founders. Would she just accept the changes as it’s constitutional and in accordance to the law? Or would she fight it tooth and nail–despite its legality–because she believes it’s evil for US to prioritize one culture/race over others? Well, if such a law is wrong and evil in the US, why is it not evil for Israel?

Why shouldn’t Rubin argue that the founding principle of Israel is evil–like Nazism or communism–and must be changed. After all, who says a nation must stick to its founding principles forever? European states were founded as monarchies but aren’t no longer. So, there’s nothing that says Israel MUST stick to its founding principles and must never amend, change, or reject them.
If those principles strike Rubin as ‘racist’ and ‘evil’–as they should given her ideas about other nations–, why should she accept those founding principles?

What a weasel. She takes the founding principles as laid down Anglo-Americans and twists them around to serve her Jewish Supremacy cause.

Btw, though Israel was founded as Jewish state, it was also founded as a moral state that was supposed to be especially sensitive to human suffering because Jews had been victimized by the radical racism of German Nazis. So, given those founding principles, how does Rubin feel about the founding of Israel via ethnic cleansing and the decades-long oppression of Palestinians?
And she speaks of terrorists blowing up pizza parlors, but if memory serves me right, plenty of Zionist founders dabbled in a good amount of terrorism themselves.
And why shouldn’t an oppressed people use terror to take back their land? When Germans invaded Russia, Russians fought back and committed all sorts of horrors in revenge and to regain their land. When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and killed 3,000, US bombed entire cities in Japan and killed a million. We call that a ‘good war’, and Jews say it was totally justified. So, why don’t Palestinians have a right to fight back to regain their stolen land? Unlike Americans who lost several ships off a harbor, Palestinians lost their entire land and pride as a people. Yet, they are supposed to just sit back and take it laying down?

Finally, I recall modern South Africa founded itself as an apartheid state with racial segregation written into its constitution. I don’t recall liberal American Jews saying that was okay because SA was, oh well, just founded that way.

Incidentally, Israel had very chummy ties with SA, and Jews in SA made untold sums in the diamond business, but never mind all that. The likes of Rubin are total sleazebags.

PS. A nation/culture is more than what’s in the constitution. The communist Chinese constitution probably doesn’t say China is a Han nation for the Han people, but it’s understood by all Chinese that China must be a Han-dominated state.
For all I know, the Mexican constitution doesn’t say much or anything about race–what makes a ‘real Mexican’–, but I think every Mexican has every right to not want his country to be overrun by Chinese, Hindus, or Nigerians. Even if the Mexican constitution doesn’t say ‘who or what is Mexican’, I think it’s safe to say if 40 million Nigerians and 40 million Hindus come to Mexico, it won’t be Mexico anymore.

So, regardless of what is or isn’t in the Constitution, there is the history and heritage of America that makes it a dominantly white, western, and Christian nation. Some call it Judeo-Christian, but it’s more Helleno-Christian as so many western ideas flowed from the Classical World.
And we don’t need the likes of Rubin to tell us what we are or aren’t. The hell with her.

She thinks in terms of ‘give us your poor huddled wretched non-whites so that we Jews can use them against to destroy white power.’

That’s about it.

* Emma Lazarus was not a founding father. Where in the Constitution does it say that the Federal government, the States governments, or the People, are not permitted to prevent foreigners from coming onto their territory?

* Im with IHTG – Kaus is boss.

“KAUS: Why don’t they believe in open borders Jennifer? It seems that is your position.
RUBIN: [laughter]
KAUS: These people are willing to go to Israel to work and why are they putting these impediments in their way? It’s almost as if they are like Tom Tancredo.
RUBIN: Well, it’s because they haven’t been coming there to work. They’ve been coming there to blow up pizza parlors and kill children.”

She laughs to diffuse. As if to say “Yes you have caught me in a logical contradiction. Please dont’ be so vulgar as to press this point.”

To be fair, Kaus’ query had an element of facetiousness to it…

Take away – You can’t discuss anything in the US at this time w/o layers of trap doors and sneakitude. The Soviets and the Florence popes are laughing somewhere.

* Israel was founded as a Jewish state. So what? Does that mean it has to stay this way?

America was founded with slavery as an established institution. Yet we later fought a war and amended our Constitution to change that.

One of the first pieces of legislation, signed by G. Washington, was the Naturalization Act of 1790 which limited naturalization to free white people of good moral character. Yet over the years, this premise has been changed until America became open to the entire world.

We lowly white Americans have been enlightened by the likes of Rubin and her co-ethnics over the past 100 plus years. It is our moral responsibility as friends and economic benefactors of Israel to return the favor. We’ve learned the lesson that having a nation exclusive to one group is wrong and short sided.

Come on Israel, if we evil whites in American can change, so can you.

The Arabs have 22 or 23 of them, or 29 of them, I lose track.

And how many nations in the New World do Latinos/Hispanics/Mestizos have? I lose track of this too.

* Surely she doesn’t believe that all Palestinians (not to mention Africans) wishing to enter Israel intend to blow up pizza parlors. Wouldn’t such a belief make her a racist? She would certainly call me a racist if I made any such claim about any particular ethnic group wishing to immigrate to the US — even one some of whose members have committed such acts.

* Most Jews express a sentimental attachment to the idea of immigration because of the Ellis Island experience of their ancestors. The late Lawrence Auster, himself Jewish in background, observed that had it been known that letting in so many Jews would mean that America would never be allowed to have a sensible immigration policy in the future, America would never have let in so many Jews.

* What is the best rebuttal to persuade the crowd?

1) The Founders expressed no desire for high levels of immigration, so it’s a lie to call that a founding principle. They may not have opposed what immigration there was, because there was plenty of room for more people. But America certainly was not founded on a principle of “the more immigrants the better.”

2) Just because something was good for a country in particular circumstances in the past doesn’t mean it would be good for it now. When large numbers of immigrants entered the US in the late 1800s, much of the country was still unsettled, almost unexplored. Now we’re facing urban sprawl, water shortages, and high energy prices. We don’t have the same resources available to support millions more citizens.

3) Only 5 million immigrants ever came from Italy, but we’re considering giving amnesty to as many as 20 million illegal aliens primarily from Mexico. The scale is much higher. Granting that a certain amount of immigration is a good thing, that doesn’t mean any amount of it is a good thing. We should at least be able to have a conversation about how much immigration we want and how to handle it, without being called racist for wanting to do so.

* You talk to an Israeli and they will give you a different answer. They will say, “you got to kill your Indians to get your country, why can’t we kill our Arabs and get theirs?

It’s only the neurotic American Jewish types who have to set up this ridiculous logical absurdity. Your typical Sabra has no problem when other countries favor people of their own race.

Ariel Sharon, a typical hard-nosed Israeli Jew, was disgusted by the weaktitty French Jews who whined that Arabs kids were attacking them on the street. They have a home here in Israel, he said. If they don’t like it there, let them move to Israel.

He had no patience for the gutless Exilic Jews who want to have their cake [Israel] and eat it too [America].

Of course there are principled Jews like Phil Weiss (Mondoweiss.com), that want the same multiculturalism in Israel as they do in America, but they are by far the exception to the rule.

I don’t agree with him, of course, but I respect his principles, something that Jennifer and her ilk are sorely lacking.

* The idea that America was founded on the express proposition of “come one, come all” is historically ignorant.

“that idea .. should not be restricted on the basis of race or religion or language, as long as they are willing to eventually learn English and be part of the body politic”

There is not a single word of this nonsense in the US Constitution or in the writings of the American Founders. No one single word about how immigration should not be restricted on the basis of race or religion or language.

The women is an ignoramus of gargantuan proportions.

* I’ve actually heard Israelis (quite recently and on separate occasions) moralize about how awful Anglos treated Indians, or how the terrible Spaniards took over part of the Americas. Hypocrisy is an important cultural trait of theirs and they have wielded it effectively.

* America was also not founded on the idea that we must be indifferent to the race/religion/language/nationality of prospective immigrants. There is nothing in the “idea of America”, or in the spirit or the letter of its founding documents, which prevents a policy of “only white English speakers need apply” if we so wish. Or of “only women with DD breasts need apply”, if that’s what we want. We can literally make the immigration law be anything we want.

The idea that blindness to the nature of immigrants is hardwired into the very nature of America is a lie, a Big Lie.

* TheKansasCitian reprinted a chart that showed the total number of immigrants from each country of origin between 1607 and 1958 as stated by John F Kennedy. This was a reprint from Pat Buchanan’s book that footnoted the Kennedy book.

You are correct. Only 5 million Italians ever came. But look at the others. Our top contributor was Germany with 6.7 million immigrants. Greece and Poland never even exceeded half a million. Yet there are more Mexican-born Mexicans living in the USA today than the combined number of all the Germans, Italians and Irish who ever came.

Unreal. I don’t get why our side doesn’t point out this fact. Mexico has had her fill. If you are not going to curb immigration, then give some other F**king countries a chance.

* You goys keep perpetuating the fallacy that Israel is an ethno-state, where did you get such a misguided notion? While I sure would like to see what an Ashkenazi super state would look like, Israel is no such place. Israel has a population of 8 million; 3 million Askenazis, 3 million Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews and 2 million Arab Sunnis, Druze and Christians. The Sephardis and Mizrahis are Jews that remained in the vicinity of the Middle East after the Roman expulsions, consequently, they are basically Arabs with yarmulkes, their average IQ is about 90, their academic and economic performance in Israel bears this out. Israel cannot be described as an ethno-state, but perhaps theo-state, as immigrants are screened by religious affiliation. Israel idiotically flies in hundreds of thousands of brain-dead Yemeni and Ethiopian Jews, permanently ensconces them into its welfare system and is both decried and idealized as an as a racially pure whitopia by the stupid goyim. If it was not for the excellent birth-rates of the Ashkenazi Haredim, Israel would be in the same dysgenic death-spiral as the rest of the West.

* Forgot to mention, in the name of all sane American-Americans, I hereby claim the right to have a not-ethno-state state like Israel’s, but for White “gentiles.” LOOOTS of diversity, zero ethno-state-iness. You know, English White people, German White people, Irish White people, Scottish White people, French White people, Polish White people, etc. Definitely diverse and not an ethnostate.

We can tell the Jewish critics that it’s diverse, and definitely not an ethno-state.

* Hispanics also have something like 29 countries, just as many as the Arabs do.

* The American Dream is what’s good for Jews. The Israeli Dream is what’s good for Jews.

Translated into parlance it means they are going to destroy Israel if not by the bullet, at least by demography.

Right wing insanity. The very idea behind “destroy…by demography” is shockingly wicked! RacismbigotryNaziswhowanttokill6millionJews. That’s what Jews call this sort of thinking, right? Oh wait, my bad, I saw the “Israel” part there, I really did, but my brain short-circuited for a sec, and I registered “America.” My mistake. Carry on.

RUBIN: Well, it’s because they haven’t been coming there to work. They’ve been coming there to blow up pizza parlors and kill children.

Lies. Rubin’s an “ANTI-SEMITE!!!”, a “RRRACIST!!!”, and a “BIGOT!!!”

This anti-semitic racist bigot should be drummed out of public intellectual life. People from China, India, Latin America, and most of the rest of the world haven’t blown up any pizza parlors, or killed any children. They just want to go to Israel to do work Jews won’t do. To make a better life for themselves. But anti-semitic racist bigots like Rubin and the Israeli right-wing (AKA, the Israeli regime) won’t let them.

Oh, wait, never mind. I did that thing again; I saw “American” and “America” again, where it actually read “Israeli” and “Israel.” That’s fine. No harm, no foul. I take it all back. My mistake, carry on.

KAUS: Walls work. And let the record also show that you are willing to restrict immigration to preserve the ethnic identity of a state and which you would never tolerate in America if Anglo Saxons said, you know, we don’t want to become a Latino State, we want to be a non-Latino State, so we have to restrict immigration. You would never tolerate it.

Kaus is Jewish, right? That was my recollection, anyway. That’s instant Righteous Jew status for Mr. Kaus, right there. Paging Mr. Kaus, paging Mr. Kaus…Mr. Kaus, please pick up a White courtesy phone to find out about your new Lifetime Righteous Jew Achievement Award…

RUBIN: That’s because the difference is, America is founded on a different principle.

That’s because, Special Pleading! Duh, Mickey! Duh!

Jews say America is [fill in what’s good for the Jews here], and we say Israel is [fill in what’s good for the Jews here], and we’ll smash anyone who says differently! Duh Mickey!

Got that, Goy? America is not founded on the principle of being a White “gentile” state. And not only that, but America is not allowed to be organized on the principle of being a White “gentile” state. And not only that, but no place on Earth is allowed to be organized on the principle of being a White “gentile” state.

That stuff is for Israel and Jews, but never for White “gentiles”; not in America, not in Europe, not anywhere.

That’s the point here. The discussion of the origins of America vs. Israel, the text of the Constitution, etc., is a side-show hustle for the rubes.

Want to know what’s really fucking amazing about this conversation? What’s actually new?

A Jew finally forced another Jew to come right out and say it. It’s still largely under layers of prevarication, but it’s right there, peeking out at anyone who cares to see it. That’s a first, for me. Jewish power almost always means never having to have this conversation.

* 1. America was founded on slavery, too. And no voting for women, too. That’s what I’d lead off with.

2. A people who won’t keep what’s theirs for themselves and their posterity will always lose it to people who take their interests seriously.

3. The rest of the world thinks keeping their country for their own tribe is a capital idea. China is for the Chinese, not the World. Israel is for the Israelis, not the World. India, Latin America, Asia, Africa, etc. What makes Whites think they’re so much smarter than the rest of the species?

4. If thieves thought they could persuade you that you owe them your house, or at least, a nice section of it, they’d try.

* “It is founded really on an idea. And that idea, if people are willing to assimilate, and I’m a big advocate of assimilation, should not be restricted on the basis of race or religion or language, as long as they are willing to eventually learn English and be part of the body politic.”

This explains why blacks were considered full citizens right from the beginning.

* Mexico has white people everywhere. They vacation there, buy property there, make the laws, come and go as they please.

But when some darker Mexicans come to the US. You all go CRAZY.

* Rubin is peddling socio-political apartheid. People of some nations or groups have the racial birthright to ethno-states for themselves, and people of others do not. And she’s using the idea that people should not be restricted on the basis of race or religion or language, to sell this idea. She’s selling a racist product in anti-racist packaging; a racial hierarchy in an egalitarian box.

It’s bizarre – it’s blatantly dishonest and Jewish supremacist.

* Most of the Israelis I have met are left-wing, multiculturalist, open borders lovers when it comes to Western countries. They will repeat the lines about how America can’t function without immigrant workers, but tell you Israel can because Israelis are not lazy like Americans.

Israelis are all about naked self interest. Hypocrisy does not phase them at all. The Israeli temperament is to be aggressive, obnoxious, in your face and to feel no obligation to treat other as one would wish themselves to be treated. Furthermore, they are proud of these traits and like to brag about them.

This BS line that some are pushing around here that Israelis in general support nationalism or immigration restriction in Western countries needs to be exploded because it’s the opposite of the truth.

* Many ‘European’ Jews in the US are white when they wanna be. Most people in the Middle East are Caucasian, so are lots of Mizrahi Jews claiming to be non-whites?

I request that Jewish people acknowledge that the US has been pretty good for them. After all, the US and English were fighting against the Nazis when Jews in (now) Israel were fighting against the English. A broken US will not be much of an ally for Israel. The New American majority may not care much for Israel. Demographics like the Evangelicals are currently very supportive of Israel. I don’t know how Israelis feel about them, but American Jews seem to despise the fundies. Israel’s situation with a weaker US that’s feeling a bit screwed in the relationship might not make it a great place for returning Jews.

Of course Jewish people aren’t a monolith, but responding to fairly reasonable assertions that Jewish people advocate very different policies for the US and Israel with arguments might not be the best course. Perhaps many Jews don’t see the situations as analogous, because maybe they don’t feel the same way about the US and Israel. ‘but, Israel is different’ quite often sounds more like ‘but, Israel is ours’.

Lots of Americans think that the US is not a ‘proposition’ nation, it’s our nation. We shouldn’t have to meet an arbitrary goals of being a ‘religious community’ to keep our homeland. Even though Mexicans aren’t setting off bombs here, it’s ok that we don’t want them here. After all, Israelis would not support a Palestinian right of return if the bombing stopped, but Palestinians just had high crime rates, and were a net drain on Israel.

Finally, when one has a fair amount of trouble getting along with their neighbors as a minority in a bunch of host nations, and then has trouble getting along with their neighbors as a majority in their own nation, perhaps on should think about the ‘wherever you go, there are’ problem.

Whether Jewish people think they’re advocating policies that hurt Americans or not, many Americans think those policies are bad. Let us decide what is good for America, and then hold your noses and support it. Wouldn’t it be horrible if Americans turned against Jewish people because Jewish people were trying to help us so much? You do some people a favor…

If you play the ‘Jews are different’ card long enough, it might lead people into thinking that ‘Jews are different.’

Jews are “white” when they need to be. Then they’re “racially diverse” when they need to be. Doesn’t even need to be the same person making both statements; it can be two people, one for each position. Former stands up, states his position when it’s time. Latter does his thing when it’s his time. All they have to do otherwise is keep mum while the other’s doing his schtick. It’s like sending half the tribe’s warriors to go murder another tribe in its sleep, while keeping the other half at the camp doing needlepoint. Then the tribe can plead “not guilty,” because hey, they’re not all or even mostly guilty.

I’m not presenting the notion that being a White “gentile” constitutes membership of a religious community. I was pretty clear: whatever you state Israel to be for Jews, I want that for White “gentiles.” Want to call Israel a religious community? Sure, let’s go with that BS assertion (atheist Jews, secular Jews, agnostic Jews, unobservant Jews…all “religious.” Sure.); we’ll make a religion just for White “gentiles,” just so we can create an ethnostate for White “gentiles” around it, just so we can wriggle out of the Jewish-supremacist assertion that the way Jews created their ethno-state just happens to be the only morally-acceptable way to create an ethnostate.

Now are you starting to get the picture? You have no argument here. It’s checkmate.

* You can get some perspective on the relationship between European and non-European Jews in Israel here, here, here, here, here and here.

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