The Respectability Cascade

Scott Alexander writes:

The first milestone on that path was Milo Yiannopoulos. As outrageous and offensive as he was, he was actually a step above everyone who had come before him in terms of visibility and respectability – at least nobody expected him to shoot up a school or anything. The second milestone was Jordan Peterson, who was an obvious step up in respectability beyond Milo. There was a really interesting period in 2016 when the media was trying to decide whether to unite in character-assassinating Peterson the same way it had character-assassinated all previous people in this space, or treat him as some sort of interesting and potentially sympathetic phenomenon, and it decided on the interesting phenomenon angle. After that, being anti-SJW lost about 90% of its stigma, to the point where people would roll their eyes instead of freaking out. This New York Times article on the Intellectual Dark Web essentially turned the semi-respectability of anti-SJWism into common knowledge, and makes a fascinating contrast with the TIME article on MRAs linked above.

The whole process was a very clear example of a respectability cascade. There’s some position which is relatively commonly held, but considered beyond the pale for respectable people. In the beginning, the only people who will say it openly are extremely non-respectable people who don’t mind getting cast out of normal society for their sin. Everyone attacks them, but afterwards they are still basically standing, and their openness encourages slightly more respectable people to say the same thing. This creates a growing nucleus of ever-more-respectable people speaking openly, until eventually it’s no longer really that taboo and anyone who wants can talk about it with only minor stigma. It’s the same story as atheism, gay rights, and a hundred other things that were once taboo but eventually became mainstream.

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The Paranoid Response

When I check up on friends who are going through a tough time, occasionally I get paranoid responses along the lines of why do you want to know?

So while I have stayed friends with them, I never again check in with the paranoid. Who needs the aggravation?

Hostile responses to innocent inquiries are not a good sign of mental stability. Why make it hard for people to care about you? When you increase the costs of talking to you, people naturally withdraw.

I once sent this girl flowers. She responded, “It’s too early for this.” I never again sent her flowers. She later told me how much she appreciated them, she was just afraid to show me that.

We train people how to respond to us. She trained me to hold back from loving her.

I like to greet people I know. Some people respond rudely, and so I never greet them again. If we’re going to talk, they’re going to have to start. I’m not giving anything.

I’ve driven across town to help an acquaintance and when I get there I see they’ve already solved the problem but they couldn’t be bothered to let me know (and thus save me a trip). So I don’t extend myself again to them.

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‘Mail-in Voter Fraud: Anatomy of a Disinformation Campaign’

On tonight’s show, Joseph Cotto read large excerpts from this August 29, 2020 New York Post article:

Confessions of a voter fraud: I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots

A top Democratic operative says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades.

Mail-in ballots have become the latest flashpoint in the 2020 elections. While President Trump and the GOP warn of widespread manipulation of the absentee vote that will swell with COVID polling restrictions, many Democrats and their media allies have dismissed such concerns as unfounded.

But the political insider, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he fears prosecution, said fraud is more the rule than the exception. His dirty work has taken him through the weeds of municipal and federal elections in Paterson, Atlantic City, Camden, Newark, Hoboken and Hudson County and his fingerprints can be found in local legislative, mayoral and congressional races across the Garden State. Some of the biggest names and highest office holders in New Jersey have benefited from his tricks, according to campaign records The Post reviewed.

“An election that is swayed by 500 votes, 1,000 votes — it can make a difference,” the tipster said. “It could be enough to flip states.”

The whisteblower — whose identity, rap sheet and long history working as a consultant to various campaigns were confirmed by The Post — says he not only changed ballots himself over the years, but led teams of fraudsters and mentored at least 20 operatives in New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania — a critical 2020 swing state.

I did not find the article convincing because it offered no supporting evidence. An anonymous source claiming to have committed crimes over decades, with no named corroboration, no documentary evidence presented in the article, and no verifiable specifics beyond what the Post says it confirmed internally, is not evidence of a systemic problem. It is a single anecdote from an unverifiable source with obvious motives to exaggerate his own importance and influence. The New York Post has a clear editorial interest in the story landing in a particular direction. That does not make the source fabricated, but it means the evidentiary standard requires much more than the article provides.

The article also conflates local machine politics in New Jersey, which has a genuine and well-documented history of municipal corruption including some ballot fraud, with a national systemic problem. New Jersey municipal elections are a specific and unusual context. Extrapolating from Paterson city council races to presidential swing states is a large inferential leap the article does not earn.

Also, if voter fraud was a large problem, a person such as myself wanting to become rich and famous would find the evidence and publicize it and became rich and famous and beloved by the right, presumably. Given that the incentives are so massive for exposing voter fraud, and nobody has done this, that indicates to me that large voter fraud does not exist.

On April 1, 2026, Claude says:

Your incentive argument is the strongest one and it is underused in these debates. It is genuinely decisive. Voter fraud at the scale claimed would be the most important investigative journalism story in American political history. It would produce a Pulitzer, a book deal, speaking fees, congressional testimony, and permanent fame for whoever documented it rigorously. Dozens of well-funded organizations with strong political incentives spent years looking. The Heritage Foundation built a database specifically to find it. Republican secretaries of state in swing states investigated their own results. None of them found the systemic fraud the claims require. The dog that did not bark is the most important fact in the room.
The correct characterization of the article is that it documents what appears to be real local machine fraud in a specific corrupt context, which is worth knowing about and prosecuting, while implying without evidence that this represents a national pattern. That implication is doing political work the evidence cannot support.
If the source was genuine and the claims were verifiable, reporter Jon Levine had the story of his career sitting in front of him. A documented network of operatives who manipulated elections across multiple states for decades, with named beneficiaries visible in campaign records the Post claims to have reviewed, is not a one-day story. It is a book, a series, a federal investigation, congressional testimony, and a Pulitzer. The follow-up writes itself. You find the named politicians who benefited, you identify the specific races that were flipped, you track down the twenty operatives the source claims to have trained, you get the documentary evidence the source presumably possesses if his claims are true.
None of that happened. Levine moved on. The Post moved on. The story disappeared into the ambient noise of the 2020 election cycle rather than becoming the foundational document of a sustained investigation into systemic fraud.
This is precisely the pattern the incentive argument predicts. When a story is explosive and verifiable, journalists and institutions follow it because the rewards are enormous. When a story produces one dramatic anonymous-source article and then nothing, the most parsimonious explanation is that the follow-up investigation did not support the original claims. Reporters do not walk away from verified blockbusters. They walk away from stories that fall apart when you pull on the threads.
The absence of follow-up is not proof the source lied. But in a functioning media ecosystem with strong incentives pointing toward exposure, it is close to it.

After the show, I found that Harvard released a 49-page analysis of these type of allegations called: “Mail-in Voter Fraud: Anatomy of a Disinformation Campaign”

For the NY Post, it is Jon Levine’s reporting on an alleged Democratic operative who anonymously and without corroborating evidence confessed to running a network of operatives across three states for many years and committing practically every one of the acts that President Trump alleged about how voter fraud works. The story was pumped by the President’s sons and his campaign staff, and occupied Fox and Friends and Tucker Carlson for three nights…

The report by Jon Levine of the New York Post opened with the words: “A top Democratic operative says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades.” Levine quoted the single anonymous source as asserting that “fraud is more the rule than the exception,” and that he had “led teams of fraudsters and mentored at least 20 operatives in New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania — a critical 2020 swing state.” The source remained anonymous for fear of prosecution. The story read as list of “greatest hits” from Trump’s allegations over the preceding six months, hitting all the high points of the months-long propaganda campaign. It wove in a specific reference to New Jersey, where the Paterson case was a central exhibit in the Trump campaign’s vote fraud claim, and asserted that “There is no race in New Jersey — from city council to United States Senate — that we haven’t worked on,”. It then asserted the ease of fraud associated with mailed ballots: “I just put [the ballot] through the copy machine and it comes out the same way,” the insider said. The story then wove in the continuous complaints about ballot harvesting, stating that: “He would have his operatives fan out, going house to house, convincing voters to let them mail completed ballots on their behalf as a public service. The fraudster and his minions would then take the sealed envelopes home and hold them over boiling water. ‘You have to steam it to loosen the glue,’ said the insider. He then would remove the real ballot, place the counterfeit ballot inside the signed certificate, and reseal the envelope.” The “whistleblower” then conveniently confirmed the line that postal employees were going to, as Trump had said, “grab bunches” of ballots: “The tipster said sometimes postal employees are in on the scam. ‘You have a postman who is a rabid anti-Trump guy and he’s working in Bedminster or some Republican stronghold … He can take those [filled-out] ballots, and knowing 95% are going to a Republican, he can just throw those in the garbage.’

In some cases, mail carriers were members of his ‘work crew,’ and would sift ballots from the mail and hand them over to the operative.” To complete the tapestry, the story harps on the fears of older voters: “Hitting up assisted-living facilities and ‘helping’ the elderly fill out their absentee ballots was a gold mine of votes, the insider said. ‘There are nursing homes where the nurse is actually a paid operative. And they go room by room by room to these old people who still want to feel like they’re relevant,’ said the whistleblower. ‘[They] literally fill it out for them.’”

The story immediately exploded across the right-wing media ecosystem, with attention directed to it energetically by the Trump family and campaign. The president’s sons Donald Jr. and Eric Trump tweeted it out, as did Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtugh and deputy communications director Zach Parkinson, alongside various Fox contributors and veteran conspiracist Jack Posobiec. The story alleged a widespread, systematic fraud operation, operating across multiple states for decades and involving “at least 20 operatives.” Yet it relied on a sole anonymous source. While Media Matters published a criticism of the article’s method and its reporter, no mainstream media outlet was willing or able to pick up the mantle and seek to confirm or refute these remarkable accusations. The story remains unconfirmed except for repetition on Fox News online, on Fox and Friends on both Sunday August 30 and Monday August 31, on Tucker Carlson on Tuesday, September 1, and on online media like the Washington Examiner and the Daily Caller (itself reporting on the Tucker Carlson report). On Facebook, the Breitbart repetition of this story gained more engagement than versions elsewhere in the right wing media ecosystem. Given the momentous allegations, it is hard to imagine that no reporter in a traditional media outlet looked into this. One has to assume that no one found corroboration despite the supposed widespread conspiracy that this practice would require, but also that no one was able to specifically refute it, given that the source was anonymous. Levine too did not add followup reporting with more evidence or details. It is hard to credit the story as true based on a single report in a Murdoch-owned tabloid, alleging a widespread, many-participant, years-long criminal conspiracy carried out over several states, itself based on a single anonymous source and offering no supporting documentation. If the story is untrue, it is also impossible to tell whether Levine is the perpetrator or a willing victim of someone else’s information operation, and if so, whose. What is clear is that in the propaganda feedback loop that has increasingly characterized the right-wing media ecosystem for the past three decades, and for a Trump campaign that has long been pushing every element of this narrative, this was a story too good to be checked…

When President Trump concluded his performance in the first presidential debate on September 29, 2020, he reiterated the false claim that mail-in ballots were subject to mass election fraud, and cited this concern to justify his refusal to commit to accepting the results of the election should he be defeated. This assertion capped a six months long disinformation campaign waged by the president and his party against expansion of mail-in voting during the pandemic of 2020. There is no disinformation campaign more likely to affect voter participation in the 2020 U.S. election and perceptions of the election’s legitimacy than the repeated false assertion that mail-in voting is fraught with the risk of voter fraud. This was not a social media campaign. Our study here, combining quantitative and qualitative analysis of online stories, tweets, and Facebook pages over six months, establishes that the disinformation campaign was elite-driven, and waged primarily through mass media responding to false assertions from President Trump, his campaign, and the RNC.

I also found a September 1, 2020 analysis by the left-wing Media Matters:

Fox News personalities and right-wing conservatives are pushing a New York Post story published over the weekend alleging widespread mail-in ballot fraud by an anonymous whistleblower and “top Democractic operative.” The Post claims the whistleblower “says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades.”

The article claims the publication vetted the whistleblower’s purported longtime career working as a consultant, rigging various municipal and federal elections throughout New Jersey, and as a mentor to “at least 20 operatives in New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania.” However, the story fails to provide corroboration or a second source for any of the numerous accusations of mail-in ballot fraud that follow.

Among the accusations are:

  • New Jersey mail-in ballots have no security features such as a stamp or watermark, allowing operatives to convince voters to let them mail completed ballots on their behalf and then steam open envelopes to replace with counterfeit ballots before mailing.
  • Postal Service employees commit election fraud by throwing out mail-in ballots from Republican areas or sifting through ballots and handing them to Democractic operatives. The article links to an unrelated story on New York City election ballots to support this claim.
  • Nursing home employees are paid political operatives who fraudulently fill out residents’ ballots for them.
  • Operatives impersonate voters in states with no voter ID laws, such as New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania.
  • Operatives bribe homeless voters to vote during elections in New Jersey in a scheme that “resembled Mafia organizations” and left the actual candidate in the dark to maintain “plausible deniability.”
  • Democratic election board members took part in fraud by checking ballots to see if they have bent corners — bent by operatives engaged in fraud — to see if they should keep them or throw them out for irregularities. The insider claims bent ballots go unchallenged by Democratic Board of Election counters.

All of these schemes require a large network of operatives to pull them off, however, the story cites no other source for confirmation, even though the main principle of investigative journalism is to never rely on a single source of information. Without secondary confirmation, the accusations are dubious at best. And the New York Post, a daily tabloid, does not have a sterling reputation for accuracy. For instance, in 2013, the paper erroneously reported that 12 people had died in the Boston Marathon bombing and wrongly identified two suspects in published photographs, leading to a libel lawsuit that was settled in 2014.

Furthermore, story writer Jon Levine tends to amplify right-wing walking points, sometimes under the guise of reporting, and he often boosts right-wing media personalities and outlets. For example, since he’s been at the New York Post, Levine has:

  • Published what he dubbed the “AOC Tapes,” reporting mundane aspects of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s (D-NY) day to claim she was a hypocrite.
  • Defended right-wing grifter Andy Ngo and decried the “unfair smearing” of him.
  • Defended articles by the Post that demonize homeless people.
  • Pushed immigration fraud stories about Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN).
  • Criticized Harvard when the university rescinded student Kyle Kashuv’s acceptance based on Kashuv repeatedly saying the N-word.
  • Criticized Carlos Maza (a former Media Matters staffer), who was being harassed while at Vox by Steven Crowder, a right-wing YouTuber, for months. Crowder sold shirts mocking Maza for being gay, used homophobic slurs about him, and directed swarms of online mobs to attack Maza, whose content was being flooded with negative comments. Maza worked to get Crowder’s work demonetized or de-platformed from YouTube due to the harassment he faced, which immediately made him a right-wing target. A year later, Levine reported an in-depth profile on Maza’s mother, claiming it’s hypocritical for him to be a socialist if he comes from a rich family. Levine was subsequently locked out of his Twitter account after the article included personal and identifying information about Maza and his mother.
  • Pushed hydroxychloroquine as a coronavirus treatment. The Food and Drug Administration has cautioned against the use of hydroxychloroquine outside of a hospital or clinical trial due to risk.

After the story was published on Saturday, Fox News and other right-wing personalities amplified it throughout the weekend.

Fox & Friends Weekend highlighted the mail-in voting parts of the article.

Mail-in voter fraud has become a top-line narrative for Donald Trump and right-wing media ahead of the 2020 election. They have repeatedly sought to undermine mail-in voting in the months leading up to November, when the pandemic is likely to impact in-person voting. From Media Matters’ archives:

  • Fox & Friends host says mail-in voting is bad: “Maybe there’s all types of pressure in your family dynamic” [Media Matters, 7/8/20]
  • “A recipe for disaster”: National and state right-wing radio hosts launch attacks on mail-in voting [Media Matters, 8/6/20]
  • Tucker Carlson mocks concern for USPS and says vote by mail “makes voter fraud easier” [Media Matters, 8/17/20]
  • Here are the facts on mail-in voting [Media Matters, 8/21/20]

Right-wing media and the GOP have a years-long history of pushing the myth of voting fraud to undermine voting. From Media Matters’ archives:

  • John Fund’s book on voter fraud is a fraud [Media Matters, 10/31/04]
  • 48 Years Later, Conservatives Are Making The Same Arguments Against The Voting Rights Act [Media Matters, 8/6/13]
  • Experts: Trump’s New Voter Fraud Commission Could Be Used To Suppress Legal Votes [Media Matters, 5/13/17]
  • Pro-Trump media are pushing a new voter fraud conspiracy theory [Media Matters, 7/19/19]
  • Right-wing media’s new voter fraud “proof” is even more asinine than usual [Media Matters, 9/8/17]
  • How Tom Fitton and conservative media spread debunked “voter fraud” disinformation about the Iowa caucuses [Media Matters, 2/4/20]
  • Fox News lets Tomi Lahren recklessly fearmonger about supposed “voter fraud” amid primary elections [Media Matters, 3/17/20]

Despite these claims, voter fraud remains a relatively insignificant issue in elections. A comprehensive report by the Brennan Center for Justice, a nonpartisan law and public policy institute at New York University Law School, published in April identified only 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud from 2000-2012 –– 491 in literally billions of votes cast. The Brennan Center has published extensive research debunking the large-scale accusations of voter fraud. Furthermore, Trump’s own voting commissions found no evidence of widespread voter fraud in 2018.

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Debating Voter Fraud & American Decline With Joseph Cotto (5-13-21)

* Rejecting the ‘Proposition Nation’ https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=139054
* What Are the Paleoconservatives Conserving? https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=139278
* Paul Gottfried: No, Paleoconservatives Are Not Helping the Left, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=139276
* The Declaration of Independence, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=139107
* Michael Anton tries to unite the right, https://amgreatness.com/2021/05/01/americans-unite/
* Why are so many right-wingers filled with despair? I don’t share this.
this. https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=138624
* The G.O.P. Is Getting Even Worse,

Conservatives despair,
* https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/why-are-conservatives-in-despair/
* Common misunderstandings of US Census,
majority/minority…https://www.wsj.com/articles/majority-minority-america-dont-bet-on-it-11612549609?mod=opinion_lead_pos5
* I don’t believe electoral fraud decided the 2020 election.
* Michael Anton vs paleocons
* “Covid denial” vs Covid over-reaction…and the Big Reset…My
opinion is everyone tries to use everything including crises to push
what they want, it’s not just a sinister lefty thing.
* Rush Limbaugh…and the right-wing talk radio formula of riling up
your audience telling them that they are being screwed over by the
elites
* USA v China, Is the USA on a downward cycle? I think America will
dominate as much in 21st century than in the 20th…
* Social media censorship… I think things are looking good on
Odysee, Rumble etc…and that blockchain will provide a path forward.
* Structuralism. I don’t think personalities matter as much in
politics as structure. https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=139168
* Impression management: https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=138911
* Ideology is not the movement, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=138879
* What is American identity? https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=138809
* Good People Must Be Dangerous People,

Good People Must Be Dangerous People


* How do I read the New York Times?
* Michael Anton on electoral fraud:

Michael Anton Says He Does Not Know Who Truly Won The 2020 Election, But He’s ‘Moved On’

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Philip Roth’s American Pastoral measures the gulf between a careful business leader and his radical daughter

Daniel Akst writes in 2020:

“Roth was fascinated by business,” Bailey said. American Pastoral was published in 1997, but the author wrote the first 20 pages in 1974 without any clear idea of what business it would be about. Later that year, living in Woodstock, N.Y., Roth met a glove manufacturer through a friend and visited the man’s factory in Brooklyn. This in turn led him to Gloversville, N.Y., once the center of the industry. There, Bailey said, a retired leather cutter provided further insight and made the writer a pair of gloves that he always cherished. The Swede’s extraordinary mastery of glovemaking, in other words, was the result of his creator’s extensive research.

In American Pastoral, a book deep with religious undercurrents, making fine ladies’ gloves rises almost to the level of a sacrament.

…The connection between political extremism and religious faith isn’t lost on Roth. Seymour and Dawn easily transcended the religious practices that might have divided them, but all her life their daughter has been consumed by the search for some new faith, running through a series of near-religious passions before devoting herself to Marxist radicalism — and eventually embracing a form of religious asceticism so harm-averse that even killing plants for food is a form of sin. Righteousness requires fasting to death.

It is the Swede’s special misery to possess all the features of the classic tragic hero. He is highborn, noble in character, blessed in seemingly every way, and bound for a terrible fall much worse than he would seem to deserve. The problem is that the tragic hero’s downfall must be the result of some action for which he is responsible, so that in some sense he brings about his own fate. The Swede has always striven to earn his destiny, and accordingly, he labors mightily after the fall to discover where he went wrong.

It’s not easy to say. Tolerance, application, steadiness, and love have been his unshakeable values. Never religious, he nonetheless lived by a kind of covenant, assuming salvation would be his through hard work, self-restraint, deferred gratification, and the cultivation of his native gifts. He strove at all times to take care of his family, his employees, and his customers, trusting that in America, this would produce the desired results.

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Philip Roth vs John Updike

Steve Sailer writes:

I hadn’t planned to buy the new authorized biography of novelist Philip Roth, author of Portnoy’s Complaint and American Pastoral, because I am at best a lazy admirer of Roth, having read only a handful of books by the indefatigable novelist who died in 2017 at 85. But when I saw it on the bookstore shelf, I grabbed it because the biography is being permanently taken out of print by its own publisher, Norton, for #MeToo reasons.

Blake Bailey’s Philip Roth is already unavailable on Kindle. In the coming digital dark age, it may be prudent to have some physical books stashed in your basement so you can at least say, “These fragments I have shored against my ruins.”

Indeed, the only thing unexpected about the cancellation of the biography of Roth, a contender, alongside his friend and rival John Updike, for the title of The Great American Horndog, is that the justification wasn’t Roth’s own history of philandering but his biographer’s.

Now that Bailey has a best-seller, several women have come forward to announce that they had sex with their former eighth-grade English teacher, who had groomed them by assigning Vladimir Nabokov’s Lolita to the class.

This would be shocking, except that the accusers all admit the encounters were years later when they were adults.

One thing you will learn from studying the lives of leading authors is that more than a few intelligent women can’t resist a literary genius.

Not that Bailey is an author in the class of Roth, much less Updike, but he is a lively writer. His 898-page authorized biography is a more fun read than the similarly massive new authorized biography of Tom Stoppard that I reviewed recently. Besides the difference in biographers, the gracious Stoppard is alive and still working with many famous people who would prefer not to be gossiped about, while the vengeful Roth is settling scores from the grave. Moreover, Stoppard is boyish while Roth was adolescent.

Comments at Steve Sailer:

* I have a legal proposal for these times: Contracts should from now on be written with the possibility in mind that someone may be deplatformed or cancelled.

So, for instance, if a university group wants to invite Charles Murray for a talk, he’d say, Great, let’s do it, but also demand that the fee plus any travel deposits, plus a sort of “restocking fee” for inconvenience be deposited in advance in escrow with a law firm or at least be contractually agreed to.

The same goes for bookings for comedians.

An author when he signs a contract should make sure that if for any reason whatsoever the book does not come out on schedule through no fault of his own, that he has the right to all edits and formatted publishing files and ebook files in order to be able to use them for publication via a new publisher or self-publishing.

* I’ve read a good dozen of Updike’s novels, and they’ve given me tremendous pleasure. Reading “Rabbit Is Rich” and “Toward the End of Time” (a late, obscure autobiographical book) made my heart sing. I remember reading the latter on a bus and, a couple of times, coming to passages so perfect that I had to close the book and just sit and savor the memory.

* “Groomed by Lolita” is a new one.

But this the usual stuff coming from the fairer sex.

a) At an early age: Having sex with [pack leader person] is just like extreme sports. Fuck yeah.
b) Years later: [former pack leader person] now has money. I didn’t enjoy it all that much. Come to think about it … HE USED ME AND SHOULD PAY!

Islam is right about women.

* The “years later” part always happens after the woman has hit the proverbial Wall. One of the magazines gathered all of the Cosby accusers into one photo and they were the saddest looking bunch of post-Wall females that you have ever seen.

As long as she has sexual currency in the bank, the adventuress is able to use it to obtain actual currency or whatever benefits come from associating with rich and powerful men. Young women are uniquely possessed of this ability in relation to heterosexual men. A (straight) rich or famous author or actor or captain of industry is not going to wine and dine and lavish his attention and gifts on a young man or an older woman or anyone else, but he will do so with the most empty headed young female as long as she is attractive looking and willing to offer sexual favors. The shrewd investress uses this currency to permanently snag a wealthy man, or at least a marriage certificate which can later be traded for half of the man’s assets.

But as sexual currency balance of the foolish adventuress approaches zero and she has nothing permanent to show for it, suddenly she realizes that she has been “exploited” and that is was wrong for her to have spent it in this way.

* It depends on whether the encounter was consensual. Many of the encounters alleged, esp. with Cosby and Weinstein and the lot, were not. Non-consensual have always been considered crimes by Western society, and for good reason.

But I see your point.

Consider the novel The Lover, made into a number of movies, most recently The Chinese Lover.

The novel is about a 15 1/2 (somehow the half is a big deal) year old French girl who has an affair with an older, richer, Chinese man in colonial Indochina. Over the years there has been much pointless speculation as to whether the novel was autobiographical, or else the fantasy of the authoress. But the point was that is was see as romantic for a mid-teen girl to be with an older man. The opposite encounter would be the movie Indochine, which romanticizes an encounter between a wealthy Viet schoolgirl and an older French officer.

In my middle aged years I noticed several 14-16 year old girls who would flirt with me sometimes to an extreme, even when my wife was nearby. They didn’t seem to care. Of course I did not risk divorce and prison. And I am fortunately too old for them these days.

My conclusion is that many of the jail bait girls in some of these notorious encounters were very willing participants, and very likely the instigators. It wasn’t that long ago when girls that age were considered of marriagable age, and were considered responsible for their actions. In fact, it wasn’t that long ago when feminists were insisting the age of consent be lowered to 14, saying that empowered the teenage girls or something like that.

I can never keep up. What is Girl Power today may be a Horrible Crime tomorrow.

* To show how much our culture has turned, remember the SHOWTIME series CALIFORNICATION starring David Duchovny? Duchovny plays a very Roth-seque novelist anti-hero (without the anti- , really) who unknowingly screws the 16 year old soon-to-be-stepdaughter of his ex-wife. While not endorsing the Duchovny character’s action per se, it is very much played for laughs and treated as an innocent mistake despite the potential nasty legal consequences. Indeed the fact that we are meant to be titillated and delighted by the whole situation, instead of sanctimoniously condemning it, is proven by the show’s somewhat gratuitous insertion of the actress playing the “16 year old” into sex scenes where her generous assets are on full and quite vivid display.

* The meaning of “consensual” itself depends on sexual politics. Extreme feminists say that all (heterosexual) sex is rape and consent is NEVER possible. Even less extreme ones require that consent be verbally and repeatedly announced by the female at every stage even though this is not how actual humans conduct relationships. In many recent cases, even though consent was clearly given at the time, the woman who has second thoughts later says that her consent was not valid, because she had (voluntarily) consumed alcohol (sometimes even just one drink) or drugs or was “pressured” into consenting or because she was of a lower social rank than the man or because she consented to one type of act but not to a different one or a variety of other bogus reasons which twist the meaning of the word “consent” beyond all recognition.

I recognize that having relations with a female who is unconscious because you have roofied her drink clearly crosses the line, but feminists are drawing the line at extremes much closer to the other end.

* Many years ago I interviewed Updike. Did it a couple of times, in fact. I can’t recall what we talked about but what I can recall is the feeling that I was in the presence of a freak. Glittering words, sentences and paragraphs just rolled out of the man, with only the slightest prompting. How many people can do that? It reminded me in a way of what a freakish thing a great singing voice is. I can barely get my voice in the neighborhood of the correct note; meanwhile really gifted singers are dancing off of precisely-intoned sixteenth notes. Same with Updike: intricate sentences, jewel-like word choices … All of it improvised in real time. My yaks with him also left me thinking that my main reservation about his work — that his verbal gift was too easy and facile, and that for all the verbal dazzle he often failed to really engage with his subject matter — was correct. Too many of the books of his that I read were like a lot of high-end embroidery lavished over a banal framework. I did like his short stories and art criticism a lot, though.

* It would not surprise me if most high-achieving white men are “workaholic bores”, at least during their productive years. I expect that, for example, Bill Gates spends 12 hours a day working on spending his money to save lives. This does not make for a happy marriage.

When women and minorities want to improve the “diversity” of an ostensibly desirable occupation, they may not realise that the successful white men they want to replace are happy with lives that most people would regard as one-dimensional.

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Roth Vs Updike

00:00 Steve Sailer on Roth v Updike, https://www.takimag.com/article/roth-vs-updike/
05:35 The Neoconservative Fairy Tale, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_jgZrLV1KE
09:00 What are the paleocons conserving? https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=139278
10:00 No, Paleoconservatives Are Not Helping the Left, https://amgreatness.com/2021/05/08/no-paleoconservatives-are-not-helping-the-left/
12:00 The Declaration of Independence, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=139107
14:00 Michael Anton (Claremont School) vs Brion McClanahan (Chronicles mag) (5-3-21), https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=139075
16:00 Michael Anton (Claremont School) vs Brion McClanahan (Chronicles mag) Part II (5-4-21), https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=139090
22:00 Richard Spencer: “battles between the Trumps and the Cheneys is a culture war”
27:00 Jaguars will reportedly sign Tim Tebow as a Tight End — Skip & Shannon react, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f8KuEjmJsU
38:00 Darryl Dawkins on black basketball vs white basketball, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=101685
54:00 Hamas vs Israel war
56:00 Border crisis
57:30 Origins of Covid-19
1:13:00 Debunking two White supremacists spreading lies about Hispanidad, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR7l1uxQyZc
1:29:00 Stephen Miller on Biden building 13 miles of wall in Texas
1:32:00 Southern writers on race, https://www.unz.com/isteve/philip-roth-vs-john-updike/
1:35:00 Roth v Updike
1:42:00 My alt-right, anti-rich views made me unemployable. Now I’m ghost-writing college papers for rich leftie kids. What an irony, https://www.rt.com/op-ed/523528-ghostwriting-rich-alt-right-college/
1:50:00 David Petreus on withdrawing from Afghanistan
2:02:00 Jock Willinck on getting America back to work
2:03:00 Ed Dutton and Richard Spencer on Polarization in the UK, https://odysee.com/@radix:c/uk-elections-2021:0
2:06:45 JF Gariepy on crypto currencies, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkzuoiwWEOg
2:08:00 Coinbase
2:10:00 Bitcoin crashes
2:11:30 Ov, Faust, Euro youth talk on Gott mit Uns, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOMeLMmVs7Q
2:13:00 Pump and dump — is it moral?
2:18:00 Patrick Bateman
2:20:00 An old fashioned Alt-Right discussion like something out of 2015 on sex roles
2:38:00 Norvin Hobbs joins
2:55:20 Mollie Hemingway on the 2020 elections, Big Tech, https://thefederalist.com/2021/05/11/mollie-hemingway-is-writing-the-2020-election-book-the-media-dont-want-you-to-read/
2:58:00 JF Gariepy on Bitcoin, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkzuoiwWEOg
3:01:00 Gavin McInnes’s Censored.tv in trouble
3:03:00 JF on the future of independent media

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The Neoconservative Fairy Tale

Brion McClanahan writes: Michael Anton has spilled a lot of ink attacking yours truly the last week or so. He took issue with a piece I wrote for Chronicles magazine attacking the 1776 Commission’s report on American history. It was a terrible Fairy Tale, and I explained why in my piece, but Anton wasn’t hearing it because he took it personally. He then followed up with another piece targeting Paul Gottfried (and me) after Paul defended me and my piece at American Greatness. Anton’s Fairy Tale founding is problematic for so many reasons. I explain in this episode of The Brion McClanahan Show.

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What Are the Paleoconservatives Conserving?

Michael Anton writes:

There is less dividing Paul Gottfried and me than I would have expected, which is good. For when the orc hordes—at Sauron’s urging—come for both of us, they aren’t going to discern, much less care about, any academic differences over this or that statement from the American founding era. They are going to see us identically as enemies to be exterminated.

I also welcome this chance to reiterate some points that bear repeating. To those bored with the repetition, I can only say that what I learned in politics apparently applies to intellectual debates as well: if you want your message to break through, you can’t repeat it often enough. This exchange also gives me the opportunity to take a few more whacks at Cracker Jack Claremontism, which can’t be beaten often enough.

The Claremont-Hillsdale School does indeed hold that all human beings “have inalienable rights to life and liberty.” Gottfried continues from here that this “did not mean that for the founders ‘all men’ were equally entitled to citizenship or that all human beings were equally fit to exercise that right.” And he’s absolutely right. Only Cracker Jack Claremontism holds to that silly view. Anyone who’s actually studied the founders (and if we’ve done nothing else, we’ve certainly done that) knows that it’s false.

A Separate and Equal Station
Among the Powers of the Earth

Let’s take these two issues separately. The first is membership in the political community. We may say that, for the American founders, their government’s exclusivity as a political community internationally mirrors the principle of freedom of association at the domestic level. Just government originates in the social compact—that is, a compact in which men freely choose to form a government for their mutual protection and benefit. At the founding of such a government, agreement on membership must be unanimous, and in both directions. That is, no one who doesn’t want to be in the compact can be forced to join, but also no one whom others don’t want to take in can be allowed to join either. The social compact is invitation only.

It remains so in perpetuity for newcomers. Children born to members of the existing compact are automatically made members but may, if they later choose, renounce that membership via emigration. No one from outside the compact, however, may join it without the consent of its existing members. As Gouverneur Morris, the man who actually wrote the U.S. Constitution, put it: “every society, from a great nation down to a club, has the right of declaring the conditions on which new members shall be admitted.”

In other words, in recognizing the universal ground of individual rights, and in choosing to rest the legitimacy of their new government thereon, the founders were not saying or implying that Americans had any obligation to extend the enjoyment of such rights to the rest of mankind. Much less were they making any attempt to do so. They were simply explaining the ground of their revolution and the basis for their new government.

The Declaration of Independence is quite clear on this point. In splitting off from Britain, the American people “assume[d] among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them.” “Separate” means just that. We’re a nation. You can’t join our nation unless we, collectively, invite you. You may have, by nature, the same rights as we have, but our government secures only our own rights, not yours.

COMMENTS:

* This piece is very inside-baseball, addressing political-philosophical conflicts between traditional conservatives (which Gottfried (one of their prime representatives) and Anton both refer to as paleocons), and Straussians (a term Anton interestingly avoids), who historically have often associated with/been lumped in with neocons, though they’re not identical with other neocons and have in fact been getting better of late.

Straussians heavily emphasize the Lockean-liberal-inspired opening language of the D of I, especially as interpreted/magnified by Lincoln. This is the orientation of the 1776 Commission. Traditional conservatives are leery of this, seeing such language as too ideological and actually helping to drive modern liberalism. They don’t see a definitive American “Founding” occurring at a particular point in time, but a British tradition that was shaped by American experience and eventually resulted in the Constitution adopted in 1789.

The most pertinent underlying question is whether emphasizing the D of I helps or hurts conservative efforts.

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No, Paleoconservatives Are Not Helping the Left

Paul Gottfried writes May 8, 2021:

Michael Anton raises several good points in his brief against Brion McClanahan’s assault on the 1776 Commission and that commission’s yoking of universal equality with the American founding. Anton is perfectly correct that state declarations of the rights of citizens drafted during or after the American Revolution incorporate the natural right phraseology of the Declaration of Independence. Thus, the attempt by members of the Old Right, including Willmoore Kendall (whom I usually follow in these matters), to downplay natural rights language in the American Founding is open to question.

Anton is also right that at least several of America’s founders opposed slavery in principle, even if such a theoretical opponent as Thomas Jefferson only freed a small number of his slaves. It is of course also true that Jefferson in Notes on the State of Virginia (1785) wished to send the emancipated slaves out of his state because of what he thought were intractable differences between the races. Like the signers of the Declaration who went along with what the Claremont Institute understands as the authoritative passage in that document (and not all members of the Continental Congress approved of that wording), we are supposed to assume that all human beings have inalienable rights to life and liberty.

But that did not mean that for the founders “all men” were equally entitled to citizenship or that all human beings were equally fit to exercise that right. Certainly, Jefferson, even as a critic of slavery, did not believe that blacks were able to do so in the foreseeable future; and I doubt that many members of the Continental Congress were ready to extend the vote to women. The reason is not that the founders were not as enlightened as Michael Anton and the 1776 Commission. They simply understood the right to life and liberty as stopping with that right and not requiring the full panoply of civil and other rights that our modern political and educational leaders attach to the notion of equality.

In Novus Ordo Seclorum, Forrest McDonald offers a detailed analysis of what educated 18th-century Americans understood by equality. Looking at five general usages of that term, several of which were derived from the politics and epistemology of John Locke, McDonald concludes that equality for most of the founders “did not necessarily imply a conflict with the institution of slavery.” According to McDonald, few people of that generation went as far as Alexander Hamilton, who assumed the “blacks would prove to be intellectually and socially equal to whites,” given the proper conditions and a long enough apprenticeship. Although Jefferson “trembled” with fear of divine retribution when he contemplated the evil of slavery in 1776, “few of his countrymen trembled with him.”

What may be argued, however, is that certain convictions held by the founders, e.g., belief in a shared moral sense and the equal dignity of all human beings before a Divine master, would have led them over time into a stronger anti-slavery stance. But this is different from ascribing to these figures an anguished preoccupation with the injustice of slavery. Please note that Lincoln before the Civil War opposed slavery but did not wish to grant full rights of citizenship to freed blacks. Like other members of the American Colonization Society, Lincoln was hoping that the emancipated blacks could be resettled somewhere other than in the United States. The restricted concept of equality that most early American leaders accepted was not as expansive as the one that Harry Jaffa or Michal Anton would like us to accept. It was far more limited in scope.

COMMENTS SECTION:

* The imaging that there was a founding based on two sentences in a document (the Declaration), a fall from grace, and a redemption under Lincoln is a religion.

The Declaration was not intended to be a founding document. It was a plea for help from other nations. Jefferson tells us what the Declaration was in his 1825 letter to Henry Lee. The Declaration is not what Jaffa and his students imagine it to be.

There was no founding. America grew organically from the mainly English settlements.

* The problem with ‘all men are created equal’ is how to cash out that value without destroying every community standard or even normalcy itself.

‘All men are created equal’ means in practice that any individual can imagine an ‘inequality’ and demand it’s correction.

This is why ‘conservatives’ cannot say ‘No’ to any aspect of the equalitarian Left and make it stick.

Now conservatives are pro-transsexualism because ‘equality’ now includes the equal right o decide one’s sex and to demand the necessary medical interventions to remove the ‘chains’ of ‘natural sex’.

* All men are created equal means we share a common humanity, shared general characteristics that impose upon all of us – within the limits of our particular endowments – similar obligations to think and support ourselves. From this equality comes an equality of the individual rights we require to sustain our lives within a functioning society. There is absolutely nothing in this concept that requires treating any inequality as an injustice requiring correction and thus ample opportunity to say no to the left, at least by those who actually understand the principles properly.

* The natural rights of every individual, following Locke, exists in a state of nature prior to government and the so-called civil rights that government brings to those within its jurisdiction. Of these natural rights, property rights, is the right which distinguishes us from the political left.

The “civil rights” legislation of the 1960s violated property rights just as Jim Crow did. Some opponents of Jim Crow, as you remember, opposed the new Civil Rights laws precisely on those grounds.

When I read an essay by a conservative that doesn’t revolve around the concept of property rights, I wonder what good are conservative intellectuals and how are they going to help us revive our founding principles.

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