I once had a girlfriend for about a year, and during that time, I don’t remember ever needing to explain myself to her. By contrast, most of my girlfriends have been a bit bewildered by my sarcasm. They weren’t big fans of it.
It’s intoxicating to be understood. On the other hand, it is dispiriting to talk to someone who isn’t willing to invest much in understanding what you are saying. When I feel that the other party is simply biding his time until he gets to speak, that’s when I want to walk away as soon as possible.
There’s a concept in Judaism of argument for the sake of heaven, where the interlocutors are optimizing for truth. What’s a secularized version of this?
ChatGPT says:
A good secular equivalent to “argument for the sake of heaven” is dialectic—a conversation in which both sides genuinely aim at clarity, coherence, or truth, rather than scoring points. In classical philosophy, Socratic dialogue had this flavor: the purpose was mutual testing of ideas, not victory.
In more modern terms, people sometimes call it “good-faith discourse” or “collaborative truth-seeking.” The underlying ethic is that the conversation itself is valuable when both participants commit to:
Charity: interpret the other person’s words in their strongest, not weakest, sense.
Reciprocity: listen to understand, not just to reply.
Transparency: explain your reasons honestly, even when they’re unflattering.
Openness: be willing to update your views if the other side makes a strong point.
It’s intoxicating, as you say, because it’s rare. Most conversations are what philosophers call “agonistic” (aimed at winning) rather than “epistemic” (aimed at knowing). When you stumble into the latter—whether in a romance, a friendship, or a debate—it feels like you’re not just being heard but taken seriously as a mind.
Here are some practical “tests” for spotting whether a person is engaging in a secularized argument for the sake of heaven (collaborative truth-seeking) instead of just waiting for their turn to talk:
1. Responsiveness Test
Do they actually answer the question you asked, or at least acknowledge it before shifting topics?
Or do they pivot immediately to their own point, like a pre-recorded message?
2. Steelmanning Test
Do they restate your position in a way you’d recognize as fair (even improved), before critiquing it?
Or do they take the weakest version and knock it down?
3. Curiosity Test
Do they ask genuine clarifying questions, showing investment in understanding your frame?
Or do they just wait until you’re done, like a loading bar before their turn?
4. Revision Test
Do they ever update their view, even slightly, in response to something you said?
Or is every conversation a fixed broadcast, with zero movement?
5. Emotional Tone Test
Does the disagreement feel like sparring with a training partner—sharp but with mutual respect?
Or like a contest where one party needs to win at your expense?
6. Silence Test
Can they sit in silence for a beat, thinking about what you said?
Or do they rush to fill the gap with rehearsed lines?
If someone passes at least a few of these, you’ve likely got an interlocutor who values truth-seeking over ego-protection. That’s the secular version of machloket l’shem shamayim.
David Pinsof writes:
The human brain is not a steam engine. It is, in fact, an information processing device designed by natural selection to find food, seek status, court mates, and solve other adaptive problems. You see, when you think you’re “venting,” what you’re actually doing is talking shit about your rivals and covering it up with a strained metaphor from the 1800s. Or at least, that’s what a cool new study suggests: “venting” is a clever strategy for saying mean things about people without looking mean.
Also, plenty of studies show that venting doesn’t work in reducing our anger. Why would it? Does ranting feel like a massage? And why would we want to reduce our anger anyways? Anger serves an important function—we don’t want to turn it off. The same thing goes for our other negative emotions: they do useful things for us.
While we’re on the topic of shit talking, here’s another clever excuse for it: “expressing concern.” According to a fascinating series of studies, women spread negative gossip about their rivals by framing it as “concern” for their rival’s wellbeing. “Ohhh I’m so concerned about Stacey. She’s sleeping around so much I’m worried she’ll get an STD.”
A new psychology measure just dropped: the corporate bullshit receptivity scale. It involves rating the “business savvy” of hilarious statements like: “Each day, we help our brand champions thrive in a revolution of frameworks fueled by our augmented business visualization,” and “Our bandwidth comes from the visionary culture-shifting of several new growth-based integrated networks.” According to the study, people who scored higher on the scale were more likely feel inspired by their company’s mission statement.
Here’s one more for the workplace: managers who “fall for flattery,” or who dole out perks to ass-kissers, come out looking bad—naive, incompetent, selfish, unfair, etc. And they make their organizations look bad too, according to this neat study. The authors don’t reflect on the most interesting implication, but I will: ass-kissing and favoritism have to occur underground. The moment people catch on to whose ass is being kissed, and who’s getting ahead as a result, the organizational status game collapses. This creates a social incentive for ass-kissers to disguise their sycophancy as a desire for helpful advice, and for leaders to disguise their trail of ass-kissers as valuable assets to the company.
