The Strange Case of a Nazi Who Became an Israeli Hitman

Only a naive person could think this story strange. There are no permanent allies, there are only shifting alliances.

Report: “Otto Skorzeny, one of the Mossad’s most valuable assets, was a former lieutenant colonel in Nazi Germany’s Waffen-SS and one of Adolf Hitler’s favorites.”

Comments to Steve Sailer:

* I thought he was in charge of the Werewolves, a Nazi outfit designed to fight on after the fall of the Reich and death of Hitler? Seems very at odds with this new story.

Hard to imagine a dude with that face blending in anywhere either…

* I’d really love a Hollywood production that treated the Germans with a little more depth and complexity and made some characters serving Wehrmacht or other Nazi forces look sympathetic or perhaps even heroic. I’m sure even Germans are capable of saving cats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blake_Snyder#Origin_of_the_title

After seeing so many movies where the Yankees are the heroes, it’s hard to be surprised about who is going to win in the end. Hollywood usually is a sucker for the “underdog.” Well there have been hundreds of movies about World War II and the Holocaust, and so far the Yanks and the Allies are still as good as undefeated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_films

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_films

It’d sure be interesting for Hollywood to produce a story with a more nuanced characterization of the Germans and Nazis. The usual caricature of the Germans as inhuman monsters really does the crimes of that era an injustice. Animals and monsters can’t sin because they lack normal human feelings. Only humans with a full emotional range are at all capable of knowing moral good and evil. Hollywood’s usual depiction of Nazis has the usual depth and complexity as if they were portraying zombies. Can they do better? I doubt it and suspect well be served up much more a la Inglorious Basterds before they give us anything of real substance.

* Fascinating story. According to Wikipedia (yeah I know) he wanted Mossad, in return, to wipe his name off the Wiesenthal list and take his name off the international warrant. Mossad/Wiesenthal refused, but he did the job anyway–probably to avoid a Mossad assassination of him. But I can’t help thinking Mossad also promised to make sure Wiesenthal’s efforts were sabotaged by Mossad, and that Mossad would tip Skorzeny off if the Nazi Hunters were close.

It also could turn out Skorzeny was some sort of double agent, infiltrating Neo-Nazi groups and militias due to his impeccable credentials and then informing on them to Mossad and other government officials. That would seem likely: he seemed to have a lot of contact with Nazi groups post -war, even allegedly leading some, and yet he got a slap on the wrist at his trial, and various governments and Mossad never went after him for his later Nazi collaboration, despite his obvious dangerous skills and his obvious drawing power for the groups.

* Maybe they can start with a movie about the forced expulsion of 15 million Germans from their ancestral homes in the east with 3 million dying from various causes including mass murder.

But that doesn’t really sound like the kind of thing Hollywood would be interested in does it?

* Israelis are the plucky sort of people who don’t blanche at making Faustian bargains.

Also I don’t think that the English are an underrated people, in any sense, in the modern world (as De Gaulle always hectored on about the triumphalism of the Anglo-Saxons) but I do sympathise with the Germans who are far and away have the most disproportionate metrics between achievements & recognition. I also think the Russians, post Cold War, & Persians, post Revolution, have had the same issues but now it seems that the balance is tipping; Germany controls the EU, Russian is rising again & Iran straddles the Middle East. History has way of making itself go full-circle!

I wish this book was updated for a 2016 edition – https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifteen_Decisive_Battles_of_the_World

* Hollywood movies in the 1950s-1970s tended to be more than fair to the WWII Germans. Rommel, for example, was over-emphasized by Hollywood as the Worthy Foe.

Germans As Demonic may not have emerged as a consistent Hollywood theme until the early 1980s with Raiders of the Lost Ark and Sophie’s Choice.

* The Hollywood and UK WWII movies I remember until that transition did depict Germans as the enemy and oftentimes as crude or rough, but rarely as evil. Genocide and race supremacy were rarely alluded to.

Looking back, this is striking, because those movies were made by people who lived through the war, and in many cases, actually fought in the war. It’s the boomer generation, starting with Steven Spielberg (though not Alan Pakula, who was a young teen during the war) that has consistently used the demon Nazi theme, most memorably in Quentin Tarantino’s fantasy “Inglourious Basterds.”

* The scar is a duelling scar (“schmisse”), which was a popular sport among university students in Germany and Austria until WWI and then vanished by WWII. Typically, the scar was acquired in student days and serve both as a badge of honor and a class marker.

So, even in the 1960s, Skorzeny would have been far from unique in having that scar, though it would have immediately identified him as Germanic to anyone acquainted with pre-war haute bourgeois European society.

As an aside, it is hard to see any of our latter day college students even being able to comprehend that mileu or mindset.

* Funny thing about Valkyrie was that Claus von Stauffenberg was played by Tom Cruise, who’s like a foot shorter than real von Stauffenberg. Also Cruise’s mannerisms in Valkyrie were very similar to his mannerisms in Edge of Tomorrow… or maybe it’s just Cruise being himself.

* [he was acquitted on the grounds that Operation Griffin was a “ruse of war.” I don’t exactly understand that defense]

You’re allowed to put on the other side’s uniforms for purposes of deception, just not to open fire on the other side while wearing their own uniforms.

* In The Sea Chase, made in 1955, John Wayne (!) plays a German World War II merchant marine captain who is determined to avoid capture by the British Navy on the outbreak of World War II. He is sympathetically portrayed as a patriotic German, but anti-Nazi. There is a bad Nazi, as well, just to keep things PC. In the final scene, Wayne brings down the ensign of the Third Reich and hoists the Imperial Merchant Marine ensign that he has kept in his cabin. It’s quite well done.

Das Boot was a fairly sympathetic portrayal of U-boat personnel in the World War II Kriegsmarine. Rommel the Desert Fox featured James Mason as the famous Afrika Korps commander. The Cross of Iron was based on Willi Heinrich’s Das Geduldige Fleisch, but James Coburn was much too American to portray a German non-commissioned officer. One occasionally encounters sympathetic German characters in otherwise Germanophobic movies (e.g., a German enlisted man who returns a lost child in Europa, Europa or the German tank commander who blows open the bank vault door in Kelly’s Heroes).

If I were to make a WWII German-sympathetic movie, the German Merchant Marine would be a good subject. Its 1945 sea evacuations from the Baltic countries and East Prussia were epic, saving thousands of lives in appalling weather and under constant Russian attack. It was marred by the loss of the Wilhelm Gustloff with possibly 9,400, sunk by a Soviet submarine, but it was one of the most successful naval evacuations ever, far surpassing Dunquerque. But I’m not on the edge of my seat-I expect we’ll see twenty more Holocaust movies before we’ll see one that is a more balanced exposition of personalities during the Second World War.

* Otto Skorzeny was a person who I wished had been on our side. I think that it’s a fairly English (Scotts-Irish?) trait to be able to admire the fighting qualities of an opponent, even as one does one’s best to destroy him. I’ve read that Erwin Rommel, had he survived the war, would have been the guest of honor at reunions of the British 8th Army.

Maybe it was the Crow Indians who thought that a man’s prowess as a warrior was defined by the skill and valor of his opponents.

* This may have been the reverse for the Pacific War, where, due to truly barbarous treatment of American prisoners, the Japanese were rarely portrayed in a nuanced way. Pacific War movies tend not to do well at the box office, or so I’ve heard. Hell in the Pacific, featuring WWII Marine veteran Lee Marvin and Flags of our Fathers, may have been exceptions and Bridge over the River Kwai is a fairly sympathetic portrayal of the Japanese commander, although it sugar-coated the conditions at the camp. I think that it was in Road Past Mandalay that the author paid tribute to the superb fighting qualities of the Japanese soldier. I had a language student in Paris whose uncle fought the Japanese, the Chinese (in Korea), and the Vietnamese. He said that the Japanese were far and away the toughest–they never gave up and had to be killed.

I’m not sure what campaign or engagement I would choose to try and achieve a nuanced view of the Japanese in WWII.

* I read Skorzeny’s memoirs as a young man which left me with the impression of a pretty straight-forward warrior whose instinct was for action rather than reflection. I gathered that he thought he was fighting for Germany qua Germany rather than any ideology IIRC.

Clearly the memoirs were self-serving but I would be slightly surprised if he had turned into a Mossad murderer, especially as they have never been short of such.

I do remember his concluding that the Russians were so careless in throwing away their own lives because they were essentially oriental rather than European.

* Martin Van Creveld, the foremost Israeli military historian, has written that the Mossad was essentially founded by Jews who had fled Germany before the war. They received their initial experience when the British used them, and their perfect German language skills, for intelligence work during the war. It would make sense that they might have reached out to their ex-countrymen floating around after the war. Who else would understand an exile from Germany better than they? Van Creveld also noted that the Israeli attitude towards German soldiers was admiring, stating that Moshe Dayan (and Israelis) considered Germans as the best soldiers of all.

* Even movies of that era with fictional stories (Guns of Navarone, etc.) portrayed the Germans more realisticly than did the cartoonish portrayals of them that became common with and after “Raiders of the Lost Ark”.

“Band of Brothers”, which Spielberg produced, had a rather even-handed portrayal of Germans, and did not seem to demonize them. For that matter, “Schindler’s List” did not either.

* With personal disfigurement being so much in vogue, perhaps dueling scars such as adorn Skorzeny’s face will have a comeback. In the 19th and early 20th century, fraternity members at German universities developed a style of fencing in which there was no thrusting, only cutting, and the head and face were the only targets exposed–the rest of the body, including the arms, was swathed in heavy padding. Scars to the face, called Renommierschmisse (bragging scars), were emblems of social status, signifying that one had belonged to an exclusive fraternity. They provided entrée to top positions in the military, law, medicine, academia, and government. As the scars were prized, the stitching of them was deliberately clumsy, and it is said that students sometimes had a horsehair sewn into the gash to ensure it healed poorly or poured wine on it to inflame it. Mark Twain, who attended a German duel, or Mensur, on his European trip, described seeing students whose facial scars seemed to “form a city map.”

Apparently these illegal duels went on until recently. Fencing scholar J. Christoph Amberger participated in seven while a student at Göttingen in 1987, and carries a photogenic scar on his cheek. He describes the experience in The Secret History of the Sword.

* Blog: Like, everyone gets that the conceit of Inglourious Basterds is that the (enlisted) Basterds are all monoethnic, weakly distinguished horrific monsters driven by ethnic hatred while the Nazis are noble, individual down-home types with distinct regional accents who share tales of the homes and loved ones they’re fighting to protect?

That the Nazis are multilingual humanists with a sense of chivalric honor, a taste for art, an appreciation of the nuances of foreign cultures, and a desire to end the war with a minimum of death while the Basterds are provincial, monolingual, sadistic thugs who have a superficial understanding of German culture, kill for joy, torture their own allies, and mutilate captives they’ve promised safe passage?

That the marketing campaign for the movie involved the principals doing interviews about how awesome it was to have a movie about Us wreaking mayhem against Them, while the principal of the Nazi propaganda film-within-a-film leaves the premiere because he hates how it valorizes the act of killing?

That after the whole movie we’re expected to cheer the Basterds as they go on a nihilistic homicidal rampage, setting fire to fragile artworks to destroy a temple of high culture, because after all what matters is that they’re Us, and anyway our popular media has long constructed Them as an insect collectivity to be incinerated en masse without compunction?

Right? But, I never saw anyone mention that, even though Tarantino made it COMPLETELY FUCKING OBVIOUS.

* One true Nazi hero about whom a great Hollywood action movie could be made is general Walther Wenck.

The youngest German general, he was in command of Germany’s last functioning armored units. Instead of breaking Hitler out of encircled Berlin, as ordered, or surrendering to the Americans, he lead the last German counterattack of the war to rescue a hospital full of wounded soldiers, nurses, female military personnel, and civilians trapped in a pocket outside Berlin by the rapacious Russians. He fought his way in, the wounded soldiers and civilians helped fight their way out, and he delivered them to the Americans for surrender.

Of course, such a thrilling and heroic true story could never be made into a Hollywood movie because Nazis.

* At Skorzeny’s trial, at least one ex-Allied operative testified on Skorzeny’s behalf. He and other Allied soldiers had put on German uniforms. It was standard procedure on some Allied commando operations.

* Now that is a 180 turnaround from the last version I saw of Skorzeny’s postwar history. A documentary on The Hitler Channel, or one of those other cable channels, did a show on Skorzeny claiming that after the war he helped to create the modern Muslim terrorist system. According to the show he worked with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin Al-Husseini. Al-Husseini fought before the war to overthrow the British rule of Paestine and exterminate the Jews who were flooding into Palestine. Al-Husseini spent most of the war in Germany and allegedley spent his time organizing and recruiting an all Muslim SS division, and advocating the Holocaust with the intention of bringing the gas chambers to Palestine after Germany won the war. The Nazis for their part were delighted to work with someone who hated Jews even more than they did, and charmed by the fact that Al-Husseini had fair hair and blue eyes so he even looked like a proper Nazi.
According to this documentary after the war Skorzeny lived in Egypt where he trained the nascent PLO in the terrorist tactics he had developed for the Werewolves and he was an unrepentant Nazi to the end. Nothing in the documentary would suggest that Otto would ever work for the Jews, but who knows, maybe he was just a self-promoting opportunist willing to change sides for his own benefit.

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This New Generation

Comments to Steve Sailer:

* I realise narcissism is much higher in my generation, partly due to social atomisation and smaller numbers of siblings and extended families, but these pieces all suffer from a serious selection bias. The people who want to talk about themselves and don’t realise or don’t care that they’re being put in a point and sputter article in the NYTs are hardly representative.

“Beckett Delaney agrees. Delaney lives in the Empire State Building, which his parents bought for him …”

They seem much more representative of the scions of the wealthy in the current era, totally oblivious and with no sense of responsibility. (A risk for the wealthy at all times, but the current era seems to endorse it) I’m not American but the few people in my generation I went to school with who were wealthy were some of the dimmest people imaginable. Not that they weren’t intelligent (They weren’t above average though) but they so utterly lacked knowledge or curiosity of the world that it was staggering, I honestly didn’t understand how they could fail to adsorb seemingly any knowledge passively. Each day was a battle not to punch them in the face.

All of them are now employed in essentially make-work, one is a representative with the UNHCR another is running a food cart and has grown a ridiculous mustache, one has become a professional political agitator. (With numerous hilarious contradictory endorsements, I think the common denominator is an esteem for violent protest against the state no matter the context, he actually reminds me of the guy who rushed at Trump, only he is not quite so delusional, but is certainly as aggressive and heavily-built.) All of them seem exceedingly happy, so at least they’ve got that going for them, we’ll see if that smile lasts later in their lives.

But this is the unaddressed problem with my generation, the recession in much of the Western World (And indeed in those nations not in recession) is the lack of jobs for young people, if the effect does not lead to job losses it is somewhat cloaked. The other side is large-scale university graduations which lead to large numbers of people seeking a ‘career’ over a job that their parents would have sought. The smartest girl in my year once told me she was afraid of being overeducated and unemployable and despite her knowing this she is now exactly that, studied French and Classics in undergrad and went on to do a masters in Gender Studies! She is, of course, now insufferable and physically overweight, being smart and driven reduced her mate pool already, but she confounded the problem with radical feminism. (Her sister who seemed normal enough has become some kind of almost parody of something you’d see on an MRA site, I have no idea what happened.) I had a real crush on her when we were teenagers but now she’ll die alone and childless. It’s actually amazing to see how many of the middle class and above girls in our year seemingly forgot to have children. I forgot what the point of this paragraph was, I’m too depressed now to continue.

* I was in an office in NYC in 2000 & they had a pet iguana running around micro-aggressing the hell out of the receptionist who crawled onto her desk when it came running down the hall. I was half-inclined to get up there with her. Both of us were/are from Generation X. The iguana was definitely a millennial.

* It’s not so much the writing, which is okay. It’s the intellectual ability to pack so many tropes into 700 words. Bravo!

* The larger and more terrifying problem is that the article identifies outcast caricatures and not the guerrilla millennials. The guerrillas are substantially more dangerous as they spread their brainwashed ideals while maintaining a normal appearance.

These childish narcissists appear to be functioning and well-adjusted. However, they buy into frivolity and nonsense like universal humanism, systematic racism, anti-racism, critics race theory and the religion of Progressiveanity.

Whether they explicitly understand it or not, their actions and lifestyles spread these memes. Furthermore, these culture terrorists force others to adopt these understandings or they shame them. It’s a disgrace.

For instance, my cousin nearly disallowed his sister from staying at his apartment because he perceived that she was being racist against a black person. Another awful Millennial that I know openly questions free speech because it can damage the psyche of young minorities and cause their poor life outcomes.

* On a serious note interacting with millenials on Twitter has made me realise how damaged many of them have been by the anti-white psychological abuse they receive in the schools and colleges now.

They truly believe – because they were deliberately lied to – that only white people ever did: empires, colonies, slavery, genocides etc.

I’ve seen conversations where a teacher of Arab descent teaching in US schools was berating young white kids about their legacy of empire and slavery – which apart from being particularly ludicrous and hypocritical is outright psychological abuse.

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‘Empire’ Flops Overseas as Foreign Viewers Resist Hollywood’s Diversity Push

One of the things that caught my attention when I was interviewing producers in Hollywood was when one said to me that only three black actors can open a film overseas — Will Smith, Denzel Washington and one other person. Otherwise, overseas markets are not interested in watching blacks as leads. I come from Australia and I just can’t imagine many Aussies watching TV shows or movies about blacks.

On September 19, 2002, I interviewed producer Jay Stern (Rush Hour, Horrible Bosses).

Luke: “Did white people go to see movies like Love & Basketball [about middle class blacks]?”

Jay: “I think it did some crossover. There are [urban] movies that do $35 million box office and almost no crossover [into a white or Asian audience]. I’m guessing that Barbershop had an 80-90% urban audience.

“I think we could’ve gotten more blacks into Love & Basketball too. I think black males shied away from it because of the love side of it and black females shied away from it because of the basketball side. In the trailer and the commercials, there was a scene where he said, ‘What are we playing for?’ And she said, ‘Your heart.’ And I think that young black males stayed away from the movie because of it. I tried to get involved in the marketing. I wasn’t able to convince the filmmakers that that was going to have a cooling effect. It was still a good movie, New Line still made money on the movie, but I was a little frustrated it didn’t find a bigger audience. Money Talks did about $40 million box office to an audience that was probably 75% urban. Chris Tucker was not that known a quantity yet in the white world. People weren’t rushing to see Charlie Sheen at the time.

“When there’s a big urban turnout to a movie, it scares whites away. Ten years ago, when there were some fatalities in theaters, there were black people who hesitated to go to a theater house packed with an urban audience. They think there’s going to be trouble. For the same reason they’re not going to a street fair with an overwhelmingly urban crowd. They fear there’s going to be trouble. And plenty of white people are terrified to go to a movie theater where the audience will be largely black.

“Theater owners love Eddie Murphy and Will Smith but if they don’t know the black person in the movie, they’re hesitant to pick up the movie. Booking the theater can be the biggest problem for black movies, particularly in white suburbs.”

Luke: “Have you had any conversations about switching the race of a protagonist?”

Jay: “Many. Brett was interested in doing a movie called Paycheck. Denzel Washington and Nick Cage were interested in playing the same character. Denzel and Will [Smith] are the names that come up as [blacks] who could come in and replace a white lead. You then ask the question if his love interest can be white or do you have to go black all the way. To be safe, you may want to go black all the way, or at least a person of color. It’s easier to go black and latino than black and white because there is a bias in the black community against black men and white women. I don’t think you’re going to have a black man and a white wife that works [in a sitcom or movie] any time in the next few years.

“We may be making strides in overcoming racism but we’re not color blind.”

Luke: “How do black leads play overseas?”

Jay: “That’s a huge consideration. That’s the biggest reason why there aren’t more black leads. The traditional conventional wisdom is that they don’t sell overseas. The economics dictate this. These days, 60% of a studio movie is paid for by overseas. The exceptions are Will Smith, Denzel Washington, Eddie Murphy and Chris Tucker.

“You can make a movie for up to $20 million and turn a profit from just your domestic market but you’re not going to make a $40 million movie starring black people unless one of them is Will or Denzel…”

Luke: “Is there a type of movie you make best?”

Jay: “Certainly multi-racial action comedy is what I’ve done best till now but I swear there’s A Room With A View in me with South American pygmies. People do tend to send me action comedies.”

Luke: “Have you been recognized by the black community for your contributions to black cinema?”

Jay: “I don’t know that I have been but I should be. A friend of mine used to joke that I’m the hottest black executive in town. Occasionally I’ll run into a black writer or black producer…”

Luke: “But not civilians?”

Jay: “Again, it’s all about Brett [Ratner] and Chris [Tucker] and Jackie [Chan]. They don’t know I exist.

“As a producer, you have to put your ego aside. The actors and director will always command more attention.”

Hollywood Reporter: Driven by the ratings success of shows with mainly nonwhite casts — Empire, Black-ish and Fresh Off the Boat — along with political pressure to make shows better reflect their diverse audience, American TV outlets increasingly are greenlighting series that feature black, Asian and Latino leads. Fox’s 24: Legacy, a reboot of the Kiefer Sutherland series, stars Corey Hawkins, famous as Dr. Dre from Straight Outta Compton. CBS has Rush Hour, based on the action movie franchise, starring Jon Foo and Justin Hires, and has cast Sarah Shahi, a former NFL cheerleader of Persian and Spanish ancestry, as Nancy Drew in its reboot of the lily-white mystery franchise.

“It’s color-blind casting,” says Sony Pictures TV casting director Dawn Steinberg. “There used to be a time when it had to be written that way to look for an actor with a specific ethnicity. Now it’s just who is the best actor for the role.”

But when trying to sell overseas, American shows are finding the color barrier is still there. Why? Insiders say it’s because international audiences have yet to truly embrace diversity on the small screen. “These shows are a reflection of our society, but [they are] not a reflection of all societies,” says Marion Edwards, president of international TV at Fox.

Take Empire. Fox’s hip-hop drama appeared to be a slam dunk for the international market: a splashy mainstream hit that felt both of the moment and a throwback to primetime soaps, and global hits, like Dallas and Dynasty. But the show has been a global flop. In the U.K., the first season drew a middling 717,000 viewers on Channel 4’s youth-oriented E4 network, a mere 3 percent share, and season 2 has been worse, averaging a 2.2 percent share with 595,000 viewers. The show first season averaged 181,000 viewers on Australia’s Channel Ten, prompting a shift to the smaller Eleven network, where season two has averaged just 77,000 viewers an episode. In Canada, broadcaster Rogers Media moved Empire off its free-TV network City after season two ratings dipped to 208,000 viewers, shifting the second half of the season to its online streaming service Shomi. While in Germany, Empire, which aired in primetime on Pro7, one of the country’s leading free-TV networks, attracted less than 1 million viewers per show and fewer than 4 percent of the national audience, a fraction of the channel’s regular draw.

“I love the show and we took a big risk on it. But our courage was not rewarded,” says Rudiger Boss, head of acquisitions at ProSiebenSat.1, which bought Empire for German TV.

Adds Edwards: “Having a diverse cast creates another hurdle for U.S. series trying to break through; it would be foolish not to recognize that. We are telling our units that they need to be aware that by creating too much diversity in the leads in their show means … problems having their shows translating to the international market.”

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17 Men Reportedly Heard Chanting, Firing Off Shots In Apple Valley Detained, Released

CBS: Federal and local law enforcement authorities Tuesday are investigating after 17 men were detained for reportedly firing off hundreds of rounds in a remote part of Apple Valley.

San Bernardino County Sheriff’s deputies and an FBI agent were among the units that detained the men–reportedly all of Middle Eastern descent–who were camping out in the Deep Creek Hot Springs area Sunday morning, authorities said.

A 911 caller reported hearing over 100 shots fired and seeing five to seven men wearing turbans and shooting “assault rifles, handguns, and shotguns,” according to a Sheriff’s Department statement.

{snip}

Several handguns, a rifle, and a shotgun were found at the scene, but a records check found all the weapons were registered with the exception of the rifle, which reportedly didn’t have a serial number because it was purchased in parts, an FBI spokesperson told The Times.

Police scanner traffic posted online by the Victor Valley News Group described “a large group of subjects wearing turbans and chanting” at the scene.

“They were up all night chanting ‘Allah akbar’-type stuff,” an unidentified officer is heard saying on the audio recording.

{snip}

All 17 men were eventually released because Sheriff’s investigators say they had no outstanding warrants or criminal histories.

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Forward!

* Friend: “So how much credit card debt do you have today?”
Luke: “I think I have it under $40k.”
Friend: “Where’s your spreadsheet showing exactly how much you owe today and what your projected payments are and when exactly you will have it paid off?”
Luke: “Ahh, err, I’m whacking away at it.”

* Jewish friend: “When are you returning to Seventh-Day Adventism?”
Luke: “Depends on what they offer me.”
Friend: “Maybe you are Jewish.”

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