Luke Ford

Steve Sailer writes:

…college debate has collapsed into complete farce in recent years due to white and Asian people letting black contestants turn it into a contest over who is most black. (The black contestants don’t use the word “black” to describe themselves, however.) While the white-Asian teams discuss Constitutional law and social science findings regarding the debate’s official topic, the black teams ignore the subject they are supposed to be debating. Instead, they rap and twerk and denounce white women for shoving them while they were riding on the escalator when they were four.

And they win, because few white judges dare vote publicly against blacks acting stupid. (The secret ballot is an underrated thing.) That would be like admitting you read The Bell Curve….

It’s the main college debate organization.

Some people tried to start a Policy Debate organization recently to get back to serious debating, but it was denounced for racism.

It’s a pretty interesting example of how the logic of social justice war can destroy an institution that’s dedicated to logic but doesn’t have a lot of money to protect it.

Comments to Steve Sailer:

* The most memorable part during that rant by those two obese manly butch dyke looking Black “women” is when they mention the violence that Whiteness does to Black bodies.

Not even The Onion could come up with something this retarded.

White on Black violence is an epidemic in America is one of biggest political lies of the 21st Century. Repeat a lie long enough with your huge powerful Megaphone and eventually the dumb masses will believe it is true.

* I think most of the violence done to those black bodies was done by Captain Crunch, Twinkies, and Root Beer.

* It doesn’t bother me seeing negroes act that way. Given that American negroes have an average iq of 85, I have very low expectations for them in anything other than athletics.

It does bother me to see white people bowing and scraping to negroes acting like fools. Are these whites really that desperate for the approval of the negroes? Don’t they know that the negroes will hate them even more because of their obsequiousness?

* Wimmin and Persons of Colour (honorific capital intended, as is the dissing non capitalisation of oppressor groups) are the new benchmark for emotional restraint, the exemplars for considered and logical debate. It would be racist to suggest that” the greater the amount of melanin in the skin, the more emotionally continent the individual” but it’s not racist at all, because it is not offensive to persons of colour, and if white males can’t handle the truth about race and gender, then that be their white-assed problem, know what ah’m saying, y’all?
These two groups are rightly renowned for their legendary levels of unemotional and rational articulation on all matters pertain to themselves, they do not unjustly claim to be victims of White and /or male oppression, they are the Survivors
I thought that the Black Sisters use incoherence, hyper-ventilation and hysteria were a clever and yes, courageous , deliberate reclaiming of a cultural norm demonised by white racist misogynists.
The debater rapping brought tears to my eyes with his impassioned genius married so effectively to a massive Black contribution to Art.
Only Black Art keeps it real, white art is shit, know what ah’m sayin’, y’all?
Black art has been stifled by the white-assed patriarchy for centuries.
They imposed on us their white , anodyne and offensive-to-Black -ears shit like wagner, puccini, and that Jew guy, moe zart.
Racist white scum will tremble when they witness the oratorical genius of these debaters, the cannot help but marvel at their genius.
I believe I overheard some whites say so at the debate when I overheard the two janitors mumbling to themselves..
Due to the PTSD that I and all other Brothers and Sisters endure because of centuries of white oppression, I I had to spend mah Welfare hearing-aid cheque on some crack to ease my suffering, I’m sure that they said that they were master debaters.

The janitors were commendably satirising their own race in an attempt to match the brilliance of the Black debaters ” Fuckin’ bitches and baboons, bad enough when they’re one or the other, but when they exist in one person, they are complete and utter master-debaters.
Sistahs and Bros, the world is rightfully ours!

* When exactly can we say idiocracy has arrived? T-Neezy Coates would be a stellar debater. He would just start talking about his body, and the judges would be paralyzed by ambivalence over whether to laugh out loud or be appalled at the idiocy amounting to disrespect. Which is why the trannies necessarily win: its nothing but the body with them. And their bodies are just too disgusting to laugh or be appalled.

* The left won’t admit it in frank terms, but they’ve given up on blacks ever competing with whites on equal terms. The result is somewhat harmless absurdities like these debate competition to Orwellian social engineering like the new fair housing rules that will force racial and economic integration under threat of federal litigation. Progressives are authoritarian to their core and it won’t be long before the idea that we live in a republic will be a joke.

* Like the news lady said: Where do you go from here? That was the funniest line.

* That resembles debate as much as an aboriginal making a ‘refrigerator’ out of a cardboard box and then expecting it to be full of food.

* Those truly interested in debate will find other ways to show their prowess. My niece, who just scored perfectly on the SAT, was in debate and the big emphasis was on con law; that’s where all the smart kids go to compete.

* I’d like to think there’ll be an eventual synthesis of the classical and this ‘modern’ debate style, forcing/enabling lawyers to out-rap the rappers.

* As a former college debater, it’s worth noting that there are three very different styles of debate. The three leagues are the American Parliamentary Debating Association (APDA), the National Parliamentary Debating Association (NPDA), and the Cross Examination Debate Associated (CEDA). APDA and NPDA are ‘parliamentary debate’ which generally corresponds to a form of argument a lay person can watch, understand, and enjoy.

There’s a bit of a caste system — the best schools (mostly on the east coast) are all in APDA; NPDA tends to be more west / central, and generally more of a state school thing. If you look at the APDA national champions, you see schools like Harvard, Princeton, and Yale as the top teams. In the 2015 NPDA finals, Kansas City defeated Southern Illinois.

CEDA is a total freakshow wherein the teams compete to speed read ‘arguments’ from note cards. Most people can’t understand what is happening in the event. The fact that it has morphed in a totally crazy way into the ‘debate’ in the embedded clip is bizarre for many reasons, but it’s not like the CEDA finals from previous years was anything especially eloquent.

* …whenever a pupil joins a school debating society, they should be escorted outside, stood up against the nearest wall and shot unto death by musketry.
They are incipient lawyers and politicians-in-waiting, and as such they should be put down humanely for the good of all.
The purpose of debate, or even a personal difference of opinion should be to arrive as near as possible to the objective truth, not to “win” by blustering, bullying or artifice.
Points “won” in that way cause miscarriage of justice in courts, and bad polity in civic affairs.

* Interesting that the 2007 movie “The Great Debaters,” about a debate team from a black college, was set in 1935 instead of contemporary times. Perhaps director Denzel Washington and producer Oprah thought audiences would be more impressed by blacks employing the traditional, more rational style of debating than by the new blackety-black-black style.

Comments to Steve Sailer:

* “Living in a “good” zip code dramatically improves kids’ chances of going to college, getting a good job, and escaping poverty.”

Yes zip codes commit crimes, not actual people. If you drop off 40 thousand Inglewood Blacks into Newport Beach, there will be a zero increase in the crime rate in Newport Beach. Once you get the Black underclass out of bad zip codes and into good zip codes, they all start behaving like Japanese and Singaporean people.

“And yet, it can be hard to convince voucher-holders to move to the suburbs. Boyd worried that she would face racism”

Whatever kind of racism this Black woman will face in the predominantly White suburb of Glenview, Illinois will be nowhere near as bad as the racism that a young White man recently faced in Cincinnati, Ohio when Hussein Obama’s sons have gave him a gangsta style beat down that put him in the emergency room in the hospital.

“She still hasn’t found a church she likes—the ones in Glenview are “Catholic or Matholic or who knows what,” she joked.”

What she really means is she has not found an African American church in Glenview, Illinois. What she really means by Glenview only has Catholics churches is that it only has Non African American churches.

“But Boyd, who has a disabled son, says all of those obstacles are nothing compared to the piece of mind she’s gotten living in a quiet area with good schools.”

So no Black neighborhood in Chicago can offer her the piece of mind of living in a quiet area with good schools. She is such a self hating Aunt Jemima.

* Private companies seem to actively avoid hiring blacks in customer facing service positions. It’s really primarily in government customer facing service jobs like the DMV that you see blacks in large numbers.

* This is worse than the Parisian model. In Paris, they built the housing projects away from the city. The suburbs were built for the lumpen immigrant community, so they did less harm.

If Chicago were to build projects far from city where no one lives, there would be no problem.

The problem is they are building housing complexes where decent people have already settled down, and the main reason why they settled in the suburbs is because they were trying to get away from black crime.

And they worked and paid their own way, thus proving that they are responsible people.

But these inner city blacks have proven they aren’t good at anything. They just suck up welfare and raise lousy kids. They’ve demonstrated that they need others to do everything for them–just like Africans migrating to Europe because they can’t do anything for themselves.

If they are decent people, why can’t they work, save, and raise kids right? If they did that, their own communities in the city would be nice and livable. After all, Chinatowns were ghettos too but the Chinese didn’t run their communities into hellholes. Even Mexicans don’t destroy communities as badly as blacks do.
Or, if they’re decent people, they’d pay their own way to live in the suburbs. Since they’ve proven their worth as workers and savers, they might make decent neighbors.

These inner city blacks mess up entire parts of cities, and urban gentry doesn’t want them. They prefer that blacks move out of prime real estate so they can build more luxury condos there for their own kind. Just ship the black problem to other areas.

Just like financial derivatives created during the era of the ownership society. Mix the bad housing loans with the good ones, bundle them up. Now, send the bad blacks to nice communities, just bundle them up with decent people, and pretend all will be well.

In most cases, blacks will not improve much, but the black presence and cultural example will degrade the lower-achieving whites who will emulate trashy black culture and even have mulatto babies.

Anyway, Cons made a huge mistake in helping Libs restore cities.

There was a time when cities, bastions of Liberalism, were falling apart. Many city businesses moved to the suburbs, even setting up headquarters there as suburban middle class didn’t want to commute to dangerous cities.

This boosted Republican power, and cities were on the ropes, desperately trying to survive.

But once cities began to revive, the big money flowed back in downtown areas and gentrified areas. Cities gained power over the suburbs and began to dictate terms. And young people in the suburbs began to move back to the cities, while cities began to work with federal government to move blacks out to the suburbs.

Damn that Giuliani and all those Republicans who helped yuppies revive cities.

US would be better off if Washington DC were still 85% black and if every big city had turned into Detroit.

Steve Sailer writes: “With the Obama Administration planning to liberate urban blacks from their ghettos isolated away from job centers by forcing suburbs and exurbs to build affordable housing for them, it’s worth studying one such virtually all-black neighborhood in Los Angeles County, View Park / Windsor Hills /Baldwin Hills. Here, America’s shameful history of systemic racism and the lack of affordable housing programs in the desert exurbs keeps blacks penned up far from opportunity, forcing them to endure crushing commutes of 8 miles to Beverly Hills, 9 miles to downtown Los Angeles, and 6 miles to LAX.”

Comments to Steve Sailer:

* You know…an old coworker (he was in his 60s) of mine used to reminisce about his youthful days in Compton, Watts, and S Central LA when it was a predominately white area up until the 1960s. He used to tell me that these areas were replete with white folks, until the Watts Riots scared them out. I don’t know why white folks were scared off and ran to Orange County? They should’ve stood strong and stuck around. The Koreans didn’t run with their tails between their legs when Koreatown was destroyed during the LA Riots….Kinda tells you something about a culture: Cowardice vs. Tenacity

* Whites lack the tribal loyalty and sense of community or family that the Koreans have. They won’t stick together. Even families won’t, the first things kid do after leaving home is moving a couple thousand miles away. Whites are quite atomized. This is why Asians can thrive in such contexts and whites just run like rabbits.

This makes us easy prey. We have no sense of unity, none. This is why the Mexicans, blacks and the oligarchs can bully us at will with no fear of even a protest.

Whites could have easily made a stand in Los Angeles and not give in, they didn’t, they simply ran or caved. The same in every major city ruined by blacks. I think a good flag for whites is a running rabbit or a dog on it’s back.

Look how the Mexicans handle blacks. They have MS-13 or another hard ass gang come in take out some young black bucks to let the others know it’s time to leave the neighborhood. Say what you will about Mexicans, but when it comes to dealing with bad outsiders they know what to do.

We did too at one time, then we became too modern and civilized.

Whites don’t put their people first, whites put a lot of other things that don’t really matter first and foremost and suffer for it.

* …a white MS-13 would be identified as a “white supremacist hate group” and would be crushed by the US Federal Government. Absent that iron fist, I think you’d see plenty of Mexican- or Korean-style collective self-defense from Americans of European descent.

* I don’t get why upper-middle-class homeowning blacks would mind a white influx. It would enrich them by raising property values, improve the schools, and generate taxes to support more black government workers.

Or do they just hate white people so much they’re willing to cut off their nose to spite their face (as with the immigration issue)?

* Michael J. Fox lives in Baldwin Hills. I am sure he sticks out like a sore thumb there. I wonder if he often gets dirty looks from racist Black neighbors who do not like racial diversity and prefer Black racial homogeneity.

* The Black Section 8 house underclass do not seem to have a problem living in close proximity to White people who make more money than them.

* The worm in the apple of a place like Ladera Heights is generational reversion toward the mean, of course. What happens is that blacks with talents two- or three-sigma above the mean achieve (mostly-) well-earned success, contract a suitable marriage, buy a house in the “black Beverly Hills,” and have three or four kids. Then sadly often, just one of the children will have the talent to someday earn enough to buy a home in the same neighborhood, one or two will be fairly solid citizens (maybe the odd misdemeanor pot, bar-fight, or DUI arrest in their rambunctious years), and one will be a thug who starts out as a bully and sneak thief as a young teen, becomes a burglar and junior gangster in high school, and goes to Pitchess or maybe CYA or state prison by age 21.

The thug will often drag down his siblings by making them accomplices, getting them threatened by rival gangsters, and dissipating their potential inheritances by wasting the parents’ savings and personal energy on medical bills, bail bonds, lawyers’ and psychiatrists’ fees, etc.

The thug children will agitate the neighborhood when they’re young and disrupt it from time to time when they’re older. They will cause their parents many horrible nights and probably damage their health.

Affirmative action in education and employment has become partly a scheme to soften the impact of reversion toward the mean on high-achieving black couples. It ensures that their modestly-talented children get jobs which pay enough so they can afford to live in their parents’ kind of neighborhood without their parents’ kind of ability. But affirmative action can’t fix the thug-child problem. Middle- and upper-class white/asian parents statistically expect even their least-talented children to be able to earn a living and stay out of prison. Middle- and upper-class American black parents are much further out on statistical limbs; they cannot be so optimistic about the prospects of their least-talented children.

It is rather sad, really, and it feeds the famous problem of non-integrated neighborhoods in America. Whites and asians don’t wish to live next to even successful blacks, because those blacks have too many thug children and other kin (like siblings, cousins, nephews, whatever– reversion toward the mean predicts those other kinfolk are more thuggish than the high-achievers who can afford expensive homes in nice neighborhoods). The thug children/kin annoy, burglarize, and terrorize the neighbors. The blacks can’t easily escape their own kin, but whites and asians can escape black people’s kin, with the side effect that even fancy neighborhoods end up with little racial mixing.