Eliezer Berkovitz and Hebrew Theological College

In his third lecture for Torah in Motion on the R. Eliezer Berkovitz, professor Marc B. Shapiro says in 2010: “Today Hebrew Theological College wouldn’t even allow Eliezer Berkovitz to speak. If you look at a list of their speakers, they wouldn’t. Berkovitz was a leading figure there and today he wouldn’t be allowed in.”

“In 1964, the Skokie yeshiva (aka Hebrew Theological College) held a banquet at Purim or Hanukkah. Rabbi Chaim Zimmerman, the rosh yeshiva, a genius of geniuses who drove a sports car, is speaking. All the rabbis are on the dais, including Eliezer Berkovitz. In his talk, Rabbi Zimmerman calls Eliezer Berkovitz a heretic. Berkovitz becomes so angry that he picks up a plate and throws it. It smashes into pieces.”

“It created an enormous controversy. The two weren’t going to be speaking anymore. The yeshiva was thrown into a conundrum. The next day, the yeshiva fired Chaim Zimmerman for publicly insulting Eliezer Berkovitz. That allows Rav Ahron Soloveitchik to come to Skokie. Later Rav Ahron would have his own problems with Skokie and be forced to leave. He started holding shiur (lecture) on the lawn. Another big controversy. They haven’t had such good luck with their roshei yeshiva.”

“So what issue did Chaim Zimmerman have with Berkovitz? It was the issue everyone had. It wasn’t with his theology. It was his view of the halachic (Jewish law) process. Tied in with this was his refusal to be tied down by the gadolim. He had a great sense of confidence.”

“When Reb Moshe Feinstein was referred to as one of the gadolim (great ones), Eliezer Berkovitz replied, ‘If he’s a gadol, I’m a gadol also.’ Very similar to Nathan Kamenetsky.”

Marc Shapiro published here R. Eliezer Berkovitz’s ruling on a Jew going into a church.

Letter of Rav Eliezer Berkovitz, 1984 (to be published
by Dr. Marc Shapiro in Millin Havivin)
אגרת הר’ אליעזר ברקוביץ
And if one were concerned about the beauty, etc. of the
churches – there is no question that the Jewish people
have already conquered the desire for avodah zara many
generations ago. In particular this is true regarding
Christianity, from which we have suffered over hundreds
of years – it is obvious that the vast majority of the people
do not feel even a hint of an inclination in its direction.
The situation was completely different in the Middle
Ages. Jews at that time were under constant pressure
from the Church to convert. Through conversion to
Christianity they would have been able to escape
persecution and killings. In such a situation, it was
possible to understand that Jews in those days who visited
churches would have been – even unwittingly – exposed
to constant seduction, and similarly there was a concern
that they would be influenced by the glory and wealth of
the Church.
Today the situation is completely different. It is only a
tiny minority of the Jews who find any value in
Christianity, for example, the terrible group “Jews for
Jesus” in the United States. Jews today are not influenced
at all from the glory and the icons in the churches. It is
exactly that glory and all that is connected to it in modern
life that is an abomination to them…

Marc: “Emmanuel Jacobvitz, the former Chief Rabbi of Great Britain, would go to various chuches with the approval of his Beit Din (Jewish law court) and to various ceremonies. The Lockerbie disaster [memorial] was in a church and Jacobvitz went there.”

“The Chief Rabbi of Poland went to a church [for the memorial of the late president of Poland — a great friend of the Jews — who died in a plane crash in 2010]. There’s no question that you can find a heter (permission) for something like this, but not for the average person, but for the official representative of the Jewish community.”

“Berkovitz hated Christianity. Unfairly, I think. He argues that if you are going in to look at the art work, it is permitted for a Jew to enter a church. Perhaps because he hated Christianity so much he did not think that any Jew could find anything attractive in Christian theology.”

In his books (Not in Heaven: The Nature and Function of Halakha (1983) and HaHalakha, Koha V’Tafkida (1981) [Hebrew] – expanded version of Not in Heaven), Eliezer Berkovitz argues that today’s rabbis don’t show the same ethical sensitivity of previous generations of rabbis.”

“There was a symposium in Judaism magazine. Robert Gordis (a thinker in Conservative Judaism) publishes an essay on the halachic process. What’s more interesting than Gordis’s essay are the responses from the Orthodox. You have J. David Bleich, as only Bleich can do, totally denying everything that Gordis says, putting forth a vision of halacha that no one in history has ever agreed with. Bleich is this legal-positivist. His vision of Jewish law is so incomprehensible. Then you have people on the [Orthodox] left like Emmanuel Rackman who agree with Robert Gordis. Immanuel Jacobvitz agrees with Gordis but argues that we no longer have the authority to change Jewish law. Chaim Soloveitchik is clearly in agreement with Gordis’s understanding.”

“If you look at volumes one and four of Bleich’s Contemporary Halachic Problems, not only does he attack people to the left, he also attacks those to the right. He says policy considerations don’t affect Jewish law. Everything is done according to the system.”

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Jews Now Feel At Home In America

In his third lecture for Torah in Motion on the Chatam Sofer, professor Marc B. Shapiro says:

“A new volume of Igrot Moshe (questions asked of Reb Moshe Feinstein) appeared over the summer.

“First, chosen mishpat five, he’s asked in 1969 if Jews should express opposition to the death penalty. He writes no! We have to respect the laws of this country. It’s a country of kindness. We have to pray for its success. We do not have to teach our children to criticize things going on in the country. We just have to teach them Torah. Why should they concern themselves with government policy?

“I can’t imagine anyone today having this opinion. We assume we’re citizens and if we want to protest, that’s our right as Americans.”

“Reb Moshe feels that he’s a guest. I can’t imagine anyone growing up in America having this perception. We even have haredi people running for political office.”

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Yosef Shalom Elyashiv – The Greatest Sage Has No Relationship With His Children

In his third lecture for Torah in Motion on the R. Eliezer Berkovitz, professor Marc B. Shapiro says in 2010: “One of you wants to know if I have read the new biography of Rav Yosef Shalom Elyashiv.

“This is an interesting and unusual book. The ethos in the haredi world is different from what we think is normal.

“I’m going to read you some things here that are stated as praise and things to be admired. I’m certain that everyone listening, no matter what community you are from, will be shocked. I don’t know anyone who’s read this book and his opinion of Rav Elyashiv has been raised.

“His reputation for 60 years has been as a stern person, a dour person. There’s one picture of him with a smile, as opposed to Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, who’s all smiles. Rav Elyashiv is not a people person. The book says he’s very shy.

“You don’t come away from this book thinking of him as a tzaddik (righteous man). This book is clear that he doesn’t do chesed (kindness). His whole life is spent in learning and the only chesed he can do is to take shylas (questions).

“I see the Rav Elyashiv’s behavior as completely dysfunctional. He has no relationship with his children.

“From pg. 62, his daughter says our father could not distinguish us by our names. He couldn’t identify us. He didn’t have any time to play with his children. Only motzi Shabbos he’d go for a walk. That was the only time during the week that he’d talk to the children.

“He never once had simple conversations with his children or with his wife. If you look at biographies of Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, it’s the reverse. He loved to converse. He made people feel special.

“If something was needed, Rav Elyashiv would say what to do. He never went anywhere with his wife. He’d speak to his sons sometimes to see what they were learning but he would not speak to his daughters.

“His daughters say, you don’t talk to your father. Do not disturb him.

“All he does is learn.”

“When the children come to visit, they visit the mother. They have no relationship with the father.”

“He was able to overcome all emotion. When his daughter dies, he puts down the volume of choshen mishpat (business laws) and picks up a volume on the laws of mourning.

“There’s a story of him getting angry with someone because the driver was late and a minute was wasted.”

“This book is advertised as hagiography. They could never translate this because even American haredim would be shocked.”

“You can’t say this comes from learning. It comes from a personality that is uncomfortable around people.”

“If anyone is interested in reading a strange gadolim book, this is the one.”

“I’m not sure this is so similar to the Vilna Gaon as to the stories Rav Soloveitchik tells about his grandfather (not Rav Chaim).”

“How can you say a father not having a relationship with his children is a Torah value? I don’t think this leads people to admiration. This book does a terrible disservice to his reputation.”

“Some members of Rav Elyashiv’s family protested the book and other members of the family think this is just fine.”

“Rav Ovadiah Yosef is a people person. The real biography needs to be written of how Rav Elyashiv, who isn’t a people person, was able to assume this position of authority.”

Rav Shach was also a people person.”

“I can’t think of any other gadolim who wanted no human relationships.”

“Tzvi Weinman made Rav Elyashiv famous. Tzvi Weinman was involved in terrible cases of divorce. Rav Elyashiv tells him, ‘Anything that doesn’t effect you personally, don’t let if affect you. Act like me. These things are meaningless.’ Rav Elyashiv is saying you shouldn’t have any emotional connection.

“There are some psakim (rabbinic rulings) where you see this. There’s one in particularly that I won’t make public. R. David Bleich says he also won’t make this public because it will bring disrepute on Judaism. It’s about how to treat people with AIDS.”

Marc B. Shapiro emails me: “It is also the case that Israelis approach these matters differently than American haredim. What Israeli haredim often admire, is a turn-off for the typical American haredi. I have a collection of stories of haredi gedolim that appear in Israeli books but would never appear in English translation simply because it would be distressing for American haredim to see what these gedolim did and thought.”

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Using An Umbrella On The Sabbath

In his first lecture for Torah in Motion on the Chatam Sofer, professor Marc B. Shapiro says: “The Chatam Sofer permitted using an umbrella [already opened] on the Sabbath within the eruv. I don’t know anyone who follows this psak (rabbinic ruling) today. The Chatam Sofer is not an extremist.”

“Today if you carry an umbrella on the Sabbath, I don’t think you’re permitted to be a witness at a wedding.”

“I know a haredi posek who says it is permitted to use an umbrella on Shabbos but tells people not to do it.”

“The Chatam Sofer says the Sabbath ends earlier than anyone says today.”

“Reb Moshe [Feinstein] forbade liquid soap on Shabbos but no one in his own family followed him.”

The Chatam Sofer began lecturing publicly at age 13. Early on, he declared his grandfather was wrong on something. His father slapped him and rebuked him for chutzpah.

The Chatam Sofer’s mentor, R. Nathan Adler, told him to have nothing to do with his father again. From that day on, the Chatam Sofer never spoke to his father. He treated his father with respect but never spoke to him. The Chatam Sofer went to live with Nathan Adler.

The Chatam Sofer did not marry until he was 25. Prior to that, to keep his hormones under control, he engaged in blood-letting.

During that time in Frankfurt, yeshiva students did not marry until about age 30.

The Chatam Sofer did not see his mother after he left Frankfurt with R. Nathan Adler. He could not leave because his yeshiva students would be without a Torah teacher if he left and teaching Torah is more important than visiting your mom.

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Berel Wein Stories

In his fourth lecture for Torah in Motion on the Chatam Sofer, professor Marc B. Shapiro says: “Many of Berel Wein‘s stories end with, ‘I can’t tell that these stories happened, but I can tell you that they don’t tell these stories about us.’ So Berel Wein telling a story is just telling a story.”

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How Influential Is Dennis Prager?

I’m struck by the awe that thousands of unlearned Jews such as myself display towards Dennis Prager (we revere him for his ability to present Jewish texts and ideas in a rational and inspiring way) and the lack of awe displayed toward him by those who can read Hebrew.
Enthusiasm for Dennis Prager is usually inversely proportionate to Jewish learning.
I’ve hung around after Dennis Prager’s speeches and watched the crowd pump him with questions. Few seemed learned. Those who wait around the longest tend to know the least about Judaism.
I’ve never seen a Talmud scholar wait around to pick Dennis Prager’s brain. The idea is laughable. Dennis is not a scholar.
Torah scholars regard Dennis the way historians regard popular writers of history such as Barbara Tuchman and Berel Wein — not at all. Dennis has virtually no influence on traditional Jewish thought and practice. He’s rarely quoted or cited by traditional rabbis. He’s like Martin Buber – widely cited by non-Jews and ignored by practicing Jews.
I’ve never met anyone at an Orthodox shul who’s in awe of Dennis Prager.
A Mar. 17, 2012 search of Google Scholar for “Dennis Prager” returned 659 results, a little more than for “Hugh Hewitt” (441) but less than for “Michael Medved” (927). By this yardstick, Dennis Prager’s influence on intellectual life is mild and not in the same league as his favorite intellectuals such as George Will (12,000), James Q. Wilson (13,600), Thomas Sowell (5,990), Viktor Frankl (9,280), and Charles Krauthammer (5,650).
According to this Google Scholar search, Prager’s most cited book was Why The Jews? at 57, Nine Questions at 39, Happiness at 21 and Think at 9.
By comparison, James Q. Wilson’s book The Moral Sense was cited 911 times. His book Crime Human Nature was cited 2,360.
A Google search for “Dennis Prager” on Mar. 17, 2012, revealed 1,150,000 results. “George Will” gave 3,690,000 results. “Charles Krauthammer” gave 1,540,000 results. “Viktor Frankl” gave 1,610,000 results. “Thomas Sowell” gave 2,330,000 results.
A check of Talkers magazine on this same date lists Dennis Prager as the 40th most influential radio talkshow host.

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When The Ignorant Dress As Rabbis

In his second lecture for Torah in Motion on the Chatam Sofer, professor Marc B. Shapiro says: “When Rav Kook’s father-in-law went to Jerusalem [at the turn of the 20th century] he was surprised. In Russia, you could find great Torah scholars who dress like regular folks. He comes to Jerusalem and finds people who are complete ignoramuses wearing rabbinic garb. He doesn’t know whether he is supposed to stand up for someone or not.

“We see this in our life as well. When I was growing up in the 1970s, the only people who wore yeshiva garb were rabbis or yeshiva students. When you saw someone in yeshiva garb, you could assume they were a Torah scholar. Today it is not unusual to find people who don’t know anything wearing rabbinic garb.”

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Orthodox Gone Bad

Sharon emails: Dear luke, I’m not sure if you’ve been following the thr recent tragedy/scandal coming out of Lakewood NJ about a frum mother of kids that decided to become an atheist, and run off with a hasidic guy who has a child while both of them are still marries to their previous spouse. Many in the frum community are watching this case, as the custody battle is going on in court. There are allegations of neglect and abuse towards the children as she pursues the life of partying nightly and is resolved to acquire fame and fortune as a Hollywood star! Here is an interesting little article thats been floating around and being texted like fire within the religious community.

M=mother. D=8 year old daughter

D: Mommy
M: Yes dear…
D: Are we frum?
M: Um who do you mean by “we”?
D: You know our family…
M: Well… your frum your brother is frum your…
D: Are you frum?
M: Um, not really. But why are you asking me all this?
D: Some girls in school were saying that were not frum…
D: Mommy?
M: Yes dear?
D:Are you listening to me?
M: Of course. I heard you, Im just in middle of texting someone sheifaleh.
D: Who? The man that was here last night?
M: No someone else dear
D: Why did that man touch you so much, none of my friend’s mothers let men touch them so much.
M: When you grow up you’ll understand sweetie, Sheifaleh go play with the new gameboy that mommies friend bought you last week so I can take care of some important texts.
D: I didn’t like that man that bought me that gameboy, he also always kisses you. Uch…
M: Ok sweetie, let me take care of these things now and then Im gonna drop all of you off at Feldman’s house for the night. Ill buy you a new toy when I pick you up. K?
D: Mommy!!! NO!!! You said on Sunday that for the rest of the week we don’t have to sleep by someone else’s house. Besides where do you always go? Why cant you take us with you? My friend’s mother never goes away so much. Please mommy don’t go away. Please don’t make us sleep by Feldman’s house tonight.
M: Sorry dear, I loves you very much. Sometimes even when mommy’s love they’re kids they need to go away. The other option is I can call Chaya to stay with you till Wednesday. This time ill tell her no smoking in the house.
D: Every time she comes she only gives us Fruity Pebbles for supper. And even though you told us you gave her money for pizza she didn’t order any.
M : I can have a talk with her…
D: Mommy is it true you want to make us frei?
M: No way! Chas veshalom! I want you to be what ever you want to be.
D: Will you let me become frei when I become older? Right your frie mommy? Frei means the opposite of frum right?
M: Of course ill let you become frie…if that’s what you want to be. Let me tell you something zeeskite and remember this for your whole life, being a yid doesn’t mean you have to do things you don’t want. In America everyone is free to do what they want. Its in the Constitution. You know what the constitution is?
D: No. But I don’t want you to be frei. I’m so embarrassed no other girl in my school has a freir mother. Besides my friend said that someone who stop’s being frum wont get to see mashiach…and also…
M: why do you have tears in your eyes sweetie? Come here sweetie. Why are you crying?
D: I’m so embarrassed if you’ll come to the class performance in school next week…mommy please don’t come… please,
M: uch Shefaleh people are so mean in school they make you feel embarrassed. Tell totty you don’t like that school. You have to tell him alot. Oh, anyways I might not be able to come that day anyways cus I might need to go away then, so you don’t need tom worry.
D: The last time everyone was staring at you and whispering…
M: Don’t learn from them. To make people feel bad is not nice.
D: Why did you stop being frum mommy? I think we would be happier if you would also be frum. No? Can you become frum again? And then marry totty again! Yay! Please mommy. That would be so great!
M: I wasn’t happy being frum so…
D: Yeh, but were not happy that your frei. I hate it. Goldy said if I daven then to hashem and ask him maybe you’ll become frum again.
M: Goldy said that? Tell her its none of her business. She doesn’t know what she’s talking about. I know the whole family would be happy if I were frum, but then I wouldn’t be happy. If im happy then you’ll be happy. A sad mother is not good for the kids also.
D: Are you happy now mommy when your not frum?
M: Yes. Very happy!
D: So why are we all so sad. We’re supposed to be happy if your happy. Uch…just become frum again mommy. Please…
M: Oh sweetie your crying again…I hate seeing you cry. You want mommy to buy you those Uggs boots when I get back? Its not always a mothers fault when kids aren’t happy sometimes frum people are mean and that’s why you’r not happy. You want me to by you those Uggs?
D: Yes but I want you to buy it. I don’t like when that man always gives me things that you said your gonna buy.
M: Ok dear.
D: Do you daven for me mommy? Do you sing vizakeini for me mommy? Tzippys mother always cries when she benches licht…
M: One second I need to take care of this text. Can you put your pajamas in you briefcase please sweetie.
D: Totty said he sings vizakeini all the time and he also cries when he benches licht. He said it’s a “mommy song”, but he doesn’t care and he sings it anyways.
Can you start benching licht again?
M: I do. last week I did, remember?
D: Yeh but you were in such a rush and then you went to shoprite with that man.
M: Honey its getting late… We have to get going. Mommy loves you. Don’t forget that. Mommy loves you more than anyone. I love you more than I love myself. I would run in to a burning building to save you chas veshalom. If people say that its not true its all cause they’re just trying to be mean and they’re jealous of me.
D: Mommy please don’t make us sleep at Feldman’s house tonight. Please. I wont ask you to by me the Uggs. Please mommy…

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When a woman cries…

On his radio show today, Dennis Prager said: “If your man over time shuts down, it is because he’s afraid to say to you certain things. You don’t want to engender that in your spouse.”

“When a woman cries, it’s essentially using a nuclear device. That’s her weapon of mass destruction. Most men just crumble. They surrender even if they’re right. We don’t want our wives to cry. Our instinct is to protect the wife from hurt.”

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Children May Be The Greatest Vehicle To Unhappiness

On his radio show today, Dennis Prager said: “Parents should not rely on their children to make them happy.”

“Do you want your parents to rely on you for their happiness? Isn’t it liberating to know that they have their own independently happy lives?”

“People think children are the greatest vehicle to happiness. It’s not true. Children may be the greatest vehicle to unhappiness. I wish I had six kids. It did not work out that way.”

“Unhappy children, or bad children, are a vehicle to unhappiness more than wonderful children are a vehicle to happiness.”

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