June 28, 2019 Do You Hear Voices? Luke Ford No sacred cows.

Do You Hear Voices?

Posted on June 28, 2019 by Luke Ford

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Operation Typhoon: Hitler’s March on Moscow, October 1941 by David Stahel

Posted on June 27, 2019 by Luke Ford

* …Germany found it extremely difficult to operate new agents in the Soviet Union. The training programme for agents had in fact been rapidly expanded in 1941, and attempts were made to use agents from Romania, China and Japan. Soviet counterintelligence, however, proved extremely effective in eliminating such men. This was due in part to the NKVD’s rigorous security procedures, but was also the result of faulty German documentation, which often contained minor errors on identification papers…

* Foreign Armies East also failed to accurately assess how the climate and topography of the Soviet Union would affect the operation of aircraft, motor vehicles and tanks.

* In spite of the large gaps in German intelligence, the army’s confidence in the success of Operation Barbarossa remained unshaken because all that was not known about the Soviet Union was offset by Nazi precepts about Slavs and the general staff’s traditional, and largely disparaging, view of Russia. Such unfavourable views were used to gloss over more positive and even worrying depictions of the Red Army, which were by no means absent from the planning process. The Walther memorandum from the German embassy in Moscow (October 1940) foresaw no chance of an internal Soviet collapse and argued that Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltic states would probably be more of a burden than a benefit to Germany’s economic situation.

* In spite of such well-reasoned objections the German general staff operated in reverse order, planning its operations first and then using intelligence to assess the enemy’s most damaging reaction instead of having intelligence shape the operational concept from the beginning.

* While the Germans struggled to conduct and repel intelligence operations into and out of the Soviet Union, their failings extended well beyond the eastern front because British cryptologists working on the Ultra project at Bletchley Park had decrypted the German Enigma codes. Acting on such intelligence without betraying their knowledge of it was a dilemma that would occupy the British for the rest of the war, yet this did not stop them from passing highly sensitive information to the Soviets.

* Given the gulf in the effectiveness of intelligence gathering between the Allied powers and Nazi Germany it is small wonder that in October 1941 Hitler and his high command did not appear to know just how imperilled their war effort really was.

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The Hijacking of American Nationalism

Posted on June 27, 2019 by Luke Ford

Paul Gottfried writes:

Now, a conference on “conservative nationalism,” which will take place in Washington in July, may be pushing a “nationalism” that is at least as adaptable as Judis’s. One featured speaker, Claire Lehmann, the founder of Quillette, will be talking about how nationalism “is the antidote to racism.” Presumably the more inclusive the operative term, the less likely will be the Left’s attack on those wielding it.
The presence of Daniel Pipes and other neoconservatives at this gathering also suggests that at least some of the panelists will be offering two approved concepts of nationalism: propositional nationhood for the United States and solidarity with Israeli nationalism. In both cases, however, the nationalism being advocated ends up tied to an aggressive foreign policy.
Nationalism, in any case, means different things for different peoples. It doesn’t hold the same meaning for Estonians or Hungarians, who belong to ethnic, historic communities, as it does for a pluralistic country with hundreds of millions of people and a constantly expanding immigrant population.
In the latest issue of the Rassemblement National monthly L’Incorrect, Steve Bannon speaks of the natural fit between European nationalism and the nationalist movement that he has been promoting in the United States. Both these ideologies, Bannon says, derive from the same national principle. In an interview with me in the same publication, I treated Bannon’s contention as wishful thinking. The United States has become too diverse and too culturally disunited to fit a traditional national model. Our use of nationalism will likely lead to something less quaint and less organic but more explosive than what comes from the Baltic nationalists or Viktor Orbán.
The nationalist label has now fallen into the hands of the neocon establishment, which has managed to identify it with international meddling and a creedal nation. In other words, it’s been appropriated by those who already wielded power.

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Clarity About Nationalism

Posted on June 25, 2019 by Luke Ford

Dennis Prager writes:

In order to make arguments for nationalism, we have to define it.
The first definition in Merriam-Webster is “loyalty and devotion to a nation.” But in a second paragraph, it adds, “especially: a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.”
Let’s be clear: If the second paragraph is the only definition of nationalism, nationalism is always a bad thing. Furthermore, I acknowledge that this definition is what some people have in mind when they call themselves nationalists.
At the same time, even anti-nationalists would have to acknowledge that if the first paragraph is the definition of “nationalism,” nationalism can often be a beautiful thing.
So, if we are to be honest, the answer to the question of whether nationalism is good or bad is “How do you define it?”

The normal Orthodox Jew has “a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.” There are other forms of Jewish identity aside from Orthodox Judaism but none of them have been able to sustain themselves, so therefore they don’t matter. The only form of Jewish identity that can sustain itself is one that has “a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.”

Jews are not separate from the rest of the human race. The only form of nationalism that works in the real world is one that has “a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.”

How does a marriage work? Do spouses tend to place a primary emphasis on promotion of their interests? I think they do. A spouse that does not give primary loyalty to their own family is not in a happy marriage. If members of a family don’t give their primary familial loyalty to their own family, I suspect they are not in a happy family.

Families do not have to be based on genetic relatedness, but it helps. Parents tend to treat their kids better if their kids are their biological offspring. The more genetically related people are, the better they tend to get along.

Vox Day responds:

Nationalism is, by logic, linguistics, and definition, a subset of racism because nation is a subset of race. The only “nationalism” that is not intrinsically related to race is civic nationalism, which is not nationalism at all, but an ersatz paperwork substitute for it.
UPDATE: Phelps points out that (((Prager))) also lies about “e pluribus unum”.
This is an ABSOLUTE lie. It never meant, “out of many races”, it explicitly meant “out of many states, one confederation.” That is why it is the United STATES, not United Races.

Comments at Vox Day:

* “when it celebrates a nation as inherently superior to all others and when it denigrates all other national commitments.”
Any nation which does not consider itself superior to all others is not long for this world.
The only necessary commitment by a nation is to the nation itself. All other commitments are tactics and strategy to advance and improve the nation.
* All the words related to nation that are explicitly related to birth, family, blood, etc.
The Spanish word for being born is nacir. The past tense, “was born”, is nació. Natal means birth, “née” denotes a woman’s maiden name, etc.
It’s very clear where the word nation comes from. Just drop the n from the English word and you get the Latin root, to be born.
Total lies from Dennis Prager. Now I just have to get my mom to stop listening to him.
* No comment section available.
Figures.
Professional liars NEVER allow responses to be posted to their lies.
* I should like a world where England celebrated the English race, Japan celebrates the Japanese race, Egypt celebrates the Egyptian race, America celebrates the American race, etc.
It would be far better than the bizzaro-world where foreigners are praised and preferred over citizens. (e.g. H1Bs)
* “American nationalism, based as it is on the motto “e pluribus unum” (“out of many, one”), by definition includes Americans of all races and ethnicities. That is how conservatives define American nationalism.”
Well, then the way conservatives (i.e., Civic Nationalist cucks) define American Nationalism has nothing to do with what the term actually signified when it was originally used.
As Phelps correctly pointed out, it is a reference to the original 13 colonies uniting, and had nothing whatsoever to do with different races or ethnicities “coming together.”
The fact that the Naturalization Act of 1790, the first statute in the United States to codify naturalization law, restricted citizenship to “any alien, being a free white person” who had been in the U.S. for two years is bad news to those who would believe Prager’s expected distortions.
* That physical separation of groups of peoples, over time, producing differing sets of heritable physical traits from elsewhere, is understood and currently generally accepted. That such separation and differing environmental stressors would have similar tendencies in heritable behavioral traits is not even a leap, it is part in parcel. Denying that latter part is the glue of civic nationalism.
Nations arising out of these differing traits would create differing patterns of stability and conflict/conflict resolution, among other heritable behaviorally influenced cognitive patterns. Providing differing levels of stability for groups sharing social, economic, and governmental systems of organization.
* Civic nationalists are no different from the rest of the Leftists because they are all egalitarian, which disqualifies them from being conservative, by any definition, and anyone who is not also egalitarian (to them) is awful, and cruel, and mean, and wrong….and the worst thing they can think of, which must be Nazi Germany. Only in this way could anybody equate the Confederacy with Nazi Germany or to elevate the KKK to being a nation.
So Dennis wants the rest of the Leftists to know that the civic nationalists are egalitarians too, so it is OK to negotiate with them, and they can paint anyone who is not egalitarian as the enemy. The only thing the civic nationalists have to compromise with the Leftists is personal income tax rates for the wealthy and corporate private property.
* The civic nationalist have swallowed whole Breitbart axiom “politics is down stream of culture.” I believe this can be used against them by adding to it in the following way, “politics is down stream of culture, and culture is down stream of demographics.”
* I think the problem is not that people lie as much as that the ideas of “nation,” “race,” and even “culture” are so fungible. I suspect that Mr. Day and Mr. Prager define nation differently, not that either is “lying” when they use the term.
When I ask someone who starts opining about the “white” race who, exactly, is included and excluded, I get a different list almost every time. And each of these people is absolutely convinced that *his* list is the correct one, and everyone else is wrong. Who knew, for instance, that the Celts were (and are) not “white” to many folk? Those Irish,eh. Or the Slavs. Or Semitic folk. Or Gypsies. Or Visigoths/Latinos. Spanish people are white, but Argentinians are not. Blue-eyed Mexicans are white, but brown-eyed Mexicans are not.
Similarly, only their definition of nation is right. When did did the Roman empire stop becoming a “nation?” When it started making Syrians and Arabs emperors? When the Visigoths started running the show?
And only their classifications of cultures is right. And only their classification of religions is right. Catholics are Christian, but Baptists are not. Anglicans are Christian, but Catholics are not. Seventh Day Adventists are Christian, but Latter Day Saints are not. Charismatic Lutherans are Christian, but Pentacostals are not.
When, as all right thinking people know, it’s *my* definitions that are correct.
* Empires are not, definitionally, nations. And even a cursory study of history will show that empire is the ruin of every nation that tries it. Either the other nations around them destroy them, or they succeed and become a cosmopolitan empire, and eventually replace themselves in their own home.
Greece, Rome, England, France, Germany, Russia, America. Some nations recover, to some extent, after sufficient time.
* England itself is composed of several nations. Wiki lists the following that preceded unification.
Wessex
Sussex
Essex
Kent
Dumnonia
Mercia
East Anglia
Northumbria
Welsh Marches
Principality of Wales
* Nations don’t last forever, when they mix and match. Those identities have been lost. Strangely though, they do not list Yorkshire, which is a still separate national identity within England.

Vox Day writes:

I read Hazony’s book. Unlike many on the nationalist Right, I saw through him immediately and pointed out that his “National Conservative” conference was an obvious attempt to set up yet another neoclown gatekeeping organization, this one focused on nationalists. Hazony’s further attempts to “defend his ideas” readily reveal him to be not only a gatekeeper, but a shameless liar of the Ben Shapiro variety for two very obvious reasons.
First, to the extent there is any distinction between two terms that have historically been used in a synonymous manner, nation is a subset of race. Necessarily. So to base an argument on the idea that nation is actually a broader category than race is worse than dishonest, it is deeply stupid. It’s a total nonstarter.
Second, the etymology of nation makes it obvious that racialism is, and always will be, an element of nationalism.
1250–1300; Middle English < Latin nātiōn- (stem of nātiō) birth, tribe, equivalent to nāt(us) (past participle of nāscī to be born) + -iōn- -ionOne's nationality derives from one's birth, not one's geographical location or paperwork. It is an identification based on DNA, blood, and family, not ideology, confession, documents, or current location in the space-time continuum. By appealing to the fact of adoption, Hazony is stupidly attempting to derive a rule from its occasional exception.

Comments on this Vox Day blog post:

* The civnat nonsense usually has an appeal in Christian countries because of the supra-national, confessional nature of Christianity to which the civnats draw false comparisons with nationality. Churchians are particularly susceptible. You don’t generally see this in non-Christian nations. Where you Don it is because of a secular religion that holds to some sort of confessional membership (international socialism), but it tends to be fairly weak due to the inherently false nature of secular religions. There is an element of it in Muslim nations, but it is weak due to strong tribal bonds (see, e.g. pan-arabism, Persian international influence through Shia islam, etc.).
* And the examples that he pulls from the Bible (Naomi and Ruth, I believe) in his book to demonstrate that nation does not equal race, though somewhat valid, are not even remotely relevant to the modern world and mass migration. A handful of migrants and refugees can, of course, be assimilated both genetically and culturally into a larger nation. Millions of them, however, cannot be.
Furthermore, I thought his examples were cherry picking data. He could have given a more balanced biblical view had he mentioned all of the evil religious and cultural practices that were brought in by Solomon’s (and other king’s) foreign wives.
* Should we expect ideological purity from Hazony? Let’s not be naive.
One the one hand, he and his spouse are working overtime to ensure his tribe’s posterity, what with their nine kids. He’s taking personal responsibility for “an identification based on DNA, blood, and family.”
One the other hand he’s got nine kids and, hey, a guy’s gotta grab the punditry dough while he can with all those mouths to feed and send, presumably, to Princeton, the loving couple’s alma mater.
Oh well. If he makes the term “nationalism” respectable that’s progress of a sort.
* Historically, there were a few ways to claim legitimate membership in the tribe:
1. Be born into the tribe to one or two parents who were full members of the tribe.
2. Be accepted by tribal authorities as an adopted member who had earned their place through legitimate, proven loyalty.
3. Marry a member of the tribe.
4. Be adopted by members of the tribe as a child.
Nothing about Jus Soli gives you legitimate membership in the tribe. Being born in proximity is simply not sufficient.
That said, one area where the “racialists” are generally wrong is that the tribe has no right to disinherit someone from membership in the tribe because they are of mixed blood or were adopted in accordance with custom and law. That sets a dangerous precedent wherein the ancient rights of inheritance and familial authority are altered or abolished based on modern theories.

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WP: The case for diet soda: It gets a bad rap, but the research tells a different story

Posted on June 24, 2019 by Luke Ford

Many people I know are hysterically opposed to diet soda. I did the research and realized there wasn’t much to their claims.

Washington Post:

The nutrition community doesn’t like diet soda. Of all the groups that make dietary recommendations, I can’t find one that lends full-throated support. “Limit low-calorie sodas,” says the American Heart Association, and “stick to water.” The Center for Science in the Public Interest says it’s “best to avoid” artificial sweeteners. The Canadian dietary guidelines discourage them. The U.S. dietary guidelines are decidedly meh. Although added sugar is a top public health concern, diet soda is consistently met with something between distrust and hostility.
Dig into the research, though, and you don’t find a lot of substance. The hostility-to-evidence ratio is way out of whack. What gives?
I’ll try to answer that, but we have to begin with what is arguably the most important thing to know about low-calorie sweeteners: You consume them in teeny tiny quantities. Take sucralose, the ingredient in Splenda. The FDA has determined that the Acceptable Daily Intake (which it derives by determining the safe level and dividing by 100) is 5 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. If you weigh 150 pounds, that means you can eat 340 milligrams, the amount in 28 packets of Splenda, every day.
The important number there is 340 milligrams — about a third of a gram. If it were sugar, that would be one-third of a quarter-teaspoon.

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Peter Brimelow, Patrick Casey Clash With Yoram Hazony On Nationalism

Posted on June 23, 2019 by Luke Ford

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How Indian families took over the Antwerp diamond trade from orthodox Jews

Posted on June 20, 2019 by Luke Ford

Steve Sailer writes:

As a commenter pointed out about my review of This Land Is Our Land: An Immigrant’s Manifesto by Suketu Mehta, the scion of an Indian diamond merchant clan, diamond merchants are about the last who ought to lecture white Americans on their failures of inclusion and diversity.
The diamond business is globalist yet intensely nepotistic. I knew an American woman who got a job in the Los Angeles diamond district but then went to work for an insurance company due to discrimination against women and non-Indians.
Indians have recently pushed Orthodox Jewish diamond businessmen largely out of their stronghold in Antwerp, Belgium, in part by being more clannish than the Orthodox Jews.
The secret to the diamond business is arranged marriages and the threat of ostracism, as dawned on me while having the diamond ring appraised to make sure the retailer hadn’t cheated me. The appraiser on Wabash spent about 20 minutes squinting at it through a microscope before telling me about its microscopic flaws.
That’s a big transaction cost. It’s much more efficient to be able to trust somebody you are doing business with when he tells you orally that the diamond is flawless. But how do you trust him? Because if he gets a reputation for cheating his relatives, his children will never find spouses…
Food taboos are an old way to head off fraternity with outsiders, much less intermarriage. Sharing a meal with somebody tends to lead toward greater sympathy, but if sharing a meal is impractical due to food taboos …

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Pro-Israel group’s online debate with far-right activist backfires

Posted on June 20, 2019 by Luke Ford

From Times of Israel:

A pro-Israel group’s attempt to take on the far-right in an online debate has backfired, after abusive and antisemitic comments forced them to take down the video.

The Israel Advocacy Movement pulled its live stream featuring ‘Alt-right’ activist Mark Collett, in which guests discussed whether Zionists should “support a white ethno-state”.

Speaking to Jewish News, Joseph Cohen, who runs IAM, said “the volume and ferocity of anti-Jewish racism expressed in the debate and by the audience was unlike anything we’ve experienced in over a decade, the views were so extreme they violated YouTube content guidelines.”

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#261 6 – 18 – 19 They Have To Go Back

Posted on June 19, 2019 by Luke Ford

02:00 They Have To Go Back [incorporates Trump Is Hitler: Kristallnacht, Concentration Camps, etc, NY Gives Illegals Driver’s Licences, Catholic Charities Funds African Invasion]
30:00 Michael Savage Joins The Blackpillers
1:02:00 Sure, Let’s Trust Facebook With Our Money
1:11:00 New Zealand Imprisons Man 21 Months For Video Sharing, Alex Jones Found Guilty Of Hurt Feelings
1:21:00 ITV bans all-male comedy writing teams
1:30:00 Boris Is Unstoppable & So Is His Reproductive Urge
1:39:00 Persian Gulf update, USA v Iran
1:44:00 What Really Happened To Flight MH370?
1:51:00 Schools Say Yes To Sodomy Sexual Mutilation, No To Vaping
2:12:00 ‘Late Night’ and the Decline of Comedy at the Box Office: Is Netflix Really to Blame?
2:36:00 Priestly predators
2:52:00 Kim Kelly: Quillette’s “Antifa Journalists” List Could’ve Gotten Me Killed
3:07:00 Teen Vogue: Why Sex Work Is Real Work
3:11:00 The Second American Civil War

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/06/18/teen-vogue-touts-prostitution-as-real-work/

https://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2019/06/17/supreme-court-throws-out-ruling-against-oregon-bakery-over-lesbian-cake/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/06/18/ocasio-cortez-trump-running-concentration-camps-at-border/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/06/16/navy-seal-eddie-gallagher-wife-brother-cookie-butter/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/trump-vows-mass-immigration-arrests-removals-of-millions-of-illegal-aliens-starting-next-week/2019/06/17/4e366f5e-916d-11e9-aadb-74e6b2b46f6a_story.html?utm_term=.ad6827533568

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/06/color-me-dubious.html

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/06/18/bernie-sanders-demagogue-trump-is-going-after-minority-people-by-deporting-illegals/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/06/11/ap-ilhan-omar-ignores-request-for-tax-returns-but-demanded-trumps/

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2019/06/16/british-female-olympians-want-ioc-suspend-unfair-transgender-rules/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/06/18/joe-biden-build-james-bond-style-guns-that-dont-fire-without-dna-match/

Trump says ICE will remove millions: http://news.trust.org/item/20190618011308-vmh1j

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/comedy-box-office-dwindles-but-is-netflix-blame-1219121

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-18/libra-facebooks-crypto-trojan-rabbit

300+ Neighbors Host Retirement Party For Mailman Who Worked the Same Route for 20 Years

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Why Did The News Media Lose Interest So Quickly In The Death Of Bodybuilding Cosmetic Surgeon Bruce Nadler And His Wife Terri?

Posted on June 19, 2019 by Luke Ford

There was no follow-up on this story.

From ThinkSteroids.com Feb. 8, 2008:

The Los Angeles Police Department discovered former bodybuilding cosmetic surgeon Bruce Nadler, MD and his wife dead as the result of gunshot wounds on Monday, February 4, 2008. Authorities believe it is an apparent murder-suicide perpetrated by Bruce Nadler.
Bruce Nadler called himself the “world’s strongest plastic surgeon.” He was probably the best known cosmetic surgeon catering to amateur and professional bodybuilders. He had performed over 700 gynecomastia surgeries in his career; “gyno” is a side effect of anabolic steroid use when antiaromatase and/or estrogen antagonists are not use concurrently.
After retiring from the practice of medicine in August 2005, Dr. Nadler wrote the “The Nip Tuck Workout: Exercise through the Eyes of a Plastic Surgeon” and subsequently moved with his wife to Los Angeles to reinvent himself in a new career as personal trainer with the opening of Nip Tuck Fitness LA in Beverly Hills.
Retired plastic surgeon and certified personal trainer Bruce J. Nadler M.D. has brought his Plastic Synergy training system to Los Angeles. As stated in his book, “The Nip Tuck Workout – Exercise through the Eyes of a Plastic Surgeon,” Dr. Nadler has created an exercise program based on the plastic surgical principles of proportion and symmetry. It combines careful analysis with an individualized exercise prescription.
Bruce Nadler, MD retired after the New York State Board of Professional Medical Conduct charged him with 29 specifications of professional misconduct in thirteen patients according to public records. Rather than fight the charges, Nadler submitted and consent agreement and voluntarily relinquished his medical license.
The specifications of professional misconduct were primarily related to prescribing a variety of anabolic steroids, growth hormone and ancillary medications used by bodybuilders including Saizen, Serostim, Genotropin, Androgel, Depo Testosterone, Delatestryl, Deca Durabolin, testosterone cypionate, testosterone enanthate, Nolvadex, Proscar, Clomid, tamoxifen, Arimidex, Finasteride and Viagra. In each case, he was accused of the following:
Failure to obtain and/or note an adequate and complete medical history and/or history of current complaint from patient.
Failure to perform and/or note a complete and appropriate physical examination of patient.
Failure to obtain and/or note appropriate and medically indicated laboratory studies on patient including: prolactin, TSH, LH, hepatic and renal function, and assays for estrogen levels and HCG.
Failure to properly diagnose patient’s condition and/or rule out underlying disorders.
Inappropriately and without medical idnication and/or justification, prescribing and/or maintaining patient on various medications.
Failure to maintain a medical record for patient in accordance with accepted medical standards which accurately reflects his care and treatment of the patient.
Bruce Nadler’s beliefs regarding anabolic steroids and bodybuilding were controversial for physician. He explained his own steroid use and his willingness to prescribe steroids and growth hormone to his patients in an interview with Testosterone Nation:
I’m my own test laboratory in that respect because, in the last two years, I’ve been taking 6 to 8 IUs a week of growth hormone, and I alternate between 200 mg a week of deca and 200 mg of testosterone cypionate the next week. Instead of going super physiological, I believe in just going to maximum natural levels to that of a man in his twenties. In this way, there are no side effects.
Nadler was also critical of the steroid hysteria in the U.S. and the political posturing surrounding anabolic steroids:
I’ve always felt that politicians always have to make the majority of the electorate think that they’re doing something? So they inconvenience a small, unimportant group, like bodybuilders. They have no idea what they’re talking about. Somebody hands them a speech, and they go! They took something that could have been done safely and sent it to the black market and all of the inherent dangers that go along with dealing with that element. Will they ever be legal again? I hope so.

Feb. 2, 2008

The LAT reports: "Park La Brea: A white man and a white woman, approximately in their 60s, were found dead inside their home at 200 S. Detroit St. in the Park La Brea area at about 11:23 a.m. Saturday, Feb. 2. Officers with LAPD’s Wilshire Division responded to reports of gunshots. Upon arrival, officers discovered the man and woman
dead from gunshot wounds, said Officer Mike Lopez of LAPD’s media relations office. The woman was found inside the bathroom and the man inside the bedroom, he said. Paramedics declared both victims dead at the scene. Detectives have not determine the cause of the shooting, Lopez said."

I hear that it was a murder-suicide. There was a note… Apparently the man was an avid gun collector and also suffered from depression. His wife’s maiden name is Tomashevsky. I was told the note said that he was seeing a therapist and the therapist wanted to commit him. I believe he used to be a plastic surgeon. The couple’s son lives on the same street.

In its latest issue, the Jewish Journal calls Detroit the holiest street in Los Angeles. The column is titled "Rebbe Road."

Joe emails:

– The patient was depressed. – He is a gun collector. – There was reason for hospitalization (the note states that.) And… The patient was free to go home? and then kills his wife and himself? There are clear guidelines in cases like this – It is called Tarasoff: In memory of a woman by that name who was murdered by her husband. The therapist knew it may happen and did nothing to prevent it. The law states that any time a therapist knows of a case that:
1. The patient is might be dangerous to himself or others
2. The therapist has learned of a plan and a means (gun, knife). The therapist must break confidentiality and immediately inform police and follow up with a written report. The patient is admitted to the hospital for observation, even against their will. This is called 5150 (Britney Spears was hospitalized both times on it.)

From CBS, Feb. 4, 2008:

LOS ANGELES (CBS) — On Monday, authorities identified a husband and wife who died in an apparent murder-suicide in the Park La Brea area of Los Angeles.
Bruce and Terri Nadler, both 61, died on Saturday of gunshot wounds that
authorities believe were inflicted by Bruce, said Craig Harvey of the
coroner’s office.
Officers were sent to the 200 block of South Detroit Street on a "shots
fired" call about 11:25 a.m. Saturday, and found the bodies
in their home, the Los Angeles Police Department reported.
Homicide investigators believe they’ve also found the weapon used in the
killings, but have not established a motive.

A source says: "Their family is Orthodox. Their kid is (I think he is black hat)… I know all the cousins and the wife’s (who was killed) brother is. I don’t know exactly how religious the husband and wife were – but definitely an overall Jewish family in the community. The funeral was today."

The friends and family of Dr. Bruce Nadler say the writing was on the wall. He used to be a big doctor. He started spiraling downhill. He lost his medical license. He closed his practice. His wife Terri never indicated he was dangerous.

The Nadlers left behind a high-functioning autistic son (about 30 yo) who works at Ralphs. They need someone/some organization to help out with him. That’s the biggest concern right now of the family.

Kate Coe writes Feb. 6, 2008:

In a true-life Nip/Tuck episode, Bruce and Terri Nadler were found dead of gunshot wounds in an apparent murder/suicide, earlier this week. The bodybuilding boards are all abuzz.
Dr. Nadler had been a noted cosmetic surgeon in New York, but had lost his license awhile back. He’d written a book called The Nip/Tuck Workout, and was quite the media guy. He’d become a
trainer, after leaving New York.

WSJ writes on Elitefitness: "He is a terrible doctor. Not board certified. Been on probation with the state of NY and lots of malpractice. I will post more on this soon. I personally would not let him operate on my dog."

According to the New York State Department of Health State Board for
Professional Misconduct:

BRUCE NADLER, M.D., the Respondent, was authorized to practice medicine
in New York State on or about August 2, 1972, by the issuance of license
number 113153 by the New York State Education Department.
Between 1990 and 1996, Bruce Nadler, Respondent performed elective
cosmetic surgical procedures including breast reduction, breast augmentation,
augmentation mammoplasty, abdominoplasty, liposuction, calf augmentation,
on nine patients whose identities are set forth in Appendix%“. In Respondents
medical record pertaining to each of these procedures he failed to enter
Operative Reports and also failed to adequately document physical examination
and/or preoperative testing and/or laboratory reports.

Dr.
Nadler liked to bill himself as "the world’s strongest plastic surgeon."

Devoto
posts to MuscleMayhem.com: "This guy was THE Dr. for all bodybuilders
who in the 90’s would fly from all over to get their gyno removed by him."

Beta posts to
MuscleMayhem.com: "whoa i remember this guy….he lost his license
for prescribing hormones….looks like his life took a big downward turn…what
a dick to take it out on someone else."

It sounds like Dr. Nadler may have been into testosterone supplements
and steroids, which may have given him ‘roid rage.

Here’s
an interview from a bodybuilder website called "Testosterone Nation":

The End of Genetic Limitations
An Interview With Dr. Bruce Nadler
By Garrison Kane
Bruce Nadler is one of a kind. Dr. Nadler (or "Nads," as he
is affectionately known) is the premier bodybuilding "constructionist."
Yeah, I just made that word up, but since the good doctor doesn’t fall
into any traditional category, it seems as apt as any. You see, Nads’
background, prior to receiving his medical degree in 1971, was that of
a competitive bodybuilder and a sculptor. This makes him, unlike most
plastic surgeons, supremely suited towards understanding what the ideal
muscular body should and could look like.
I met up with Dr. Nadler at his Park Avenue office in New York City.
No one in his office bothered to give me a second look, but then again,
why should they? This is a place frequented by some of the world’s best
professional bodybuilders, a place where they travel to get those "finishing
touches" that can make the difference between winning a big show
or placing out of the money.
To some, the idea of cosmetic surgery may seem a little radical or,
at the very least, unnatural. Yet, as Bruce puts it, "There’s nothing
at all natural about bodybuilding." You gotta’ admit, lifting weights,
taking supplements and/or drugs, eating every three hours, and even
removing body hair is not exactly "nature’s plan." But the
very essence of bodybuilding is to look extraordinary. This is where
Bruce Nadler comes in. He is the next and newest step toward physical
perfection.
If you’ve ever wondered what it would be like to wake up one day and
find your genetic flaws erased, wonder no more. It’s now a reality.
And Bruce Nadler is the man who can do it.
T: What was it that made you decide to specialize in surgical body sculpting
for bodybuilders?
BN: I became interested in bodybuilding as a teenager, as many young
men do, but what I really wanted was to be a sculptor. The weightlifting
went from being an athletic endeavor to a more artistic pursuit. My
mom told me that if being an artist was to be my profession, the only
money I’d make would be after I’m dead! When I started studying medicine,
it seemed like a natural progression to combine all of the talents,
and that naturally led to plastic surgery. At the time, it was mostly
reconstructive surgery, but little by little, the cosmetic applications
started to capture the public’s imagination.
T: Do you still compete as a bodybuilder?
BN: I haven’t competed in a while because I can’t force myself to diet.
But last year, I won the overall masters in the Tri States. The fact
that I do compete helps me to have an understanding of what a bodybuilder
would want, whereas they may go to someone else and the doctor will
say, "I don’t see anything wrong." It’s a matter of knowing
the degree of perfection that a bodybuilder would be looking for.
For instance, one of the more popular procedures that I do is "ab
etching." The theory is to bring out the muscularity by removing
the fat in between the muscles, which is different from ab sculpting
where they leave blocks of fat to look like muscles. The problem with
"sculpting" is that, as soon as you twist your body, it looks
very unnatural. If you have some level of muscularity, I can "increase
your inheritance," so to speak, by enhancing your natural genetic
potential. This procedure can be used anywhere on the body. I can give
you more separation in the deltoids, cleaner lines in the biceps. Anything.
And that’s something a typical plastic surgeon may not do.
T: Speaking of going past one’s genetic potential, I understand that
you will prescribe steroid therapy to someone who is eligible for testosterone
replacement?
BN: I’m my own test laboratory in that respect because, in the last
two years, I’ve been taking 6 to 8 IUs a week of growth hormone, and
I alternate between 200 mg a week of deca and 200 mg of testosterone
cypionate the next week. Instead of going super physiological, I believe
in just going to maximum natural levels to that of a man in his twenties.
In this way, there are no side effects.
T: Would staying on exogenous GH, non-stop, lower endogenous levels
of GH?
BN: Probably, but I compare it to being a diabetic. You just accept
it as a lifestyle. The same thing applies to testosterone therapy. If
you need it, you just stay on it. I’ll be 52 years old this month, and
I noticed at about age 45 a certain decline in strength. I also started
gaining fat more easily. I hadn’t done steroids before that point, but
since I started using them in the past two years, I’ve put on about
25 pounds of mass. My body fat stays at about 9% even though I don’t
watch my diet at all, unlike in the past when, no matter how well I
ate, I would still get fat. I also heal more quickly from injuries.
T: Why do you think that there is still such a hysteria concerning
steroids in this country?
BN: I’ve always felt that politicians always have to make the majority
of the electorate think that they’re doing something?so they inconvenience
a small, unimportant group, like bodybuilders. They have no idea what
they’re talking about. Somebody hands them a speech, and they go! They
took something that could have been done safely and sent it to the black
market and all of the inherent dangers that go along with dealing with
that element. Will they ever be legal again? I hope so.
T: We’re working on it! Maybe it can slip through in the life extension
field.
BN: Well, life extension, or "youth extension," is getting
very popular, and more and more drugs are becoming readily available.
T: What do you think of the current crop of natural growth hormone
releasers?
BN: Major drug companies have a lot of money invested in the research
of these things, and it looks as if the GH secretagogues are of very
little value. Some are known to show elevation, but it’s negligible.
Even then, there is a receptor shutdown after about two months.
T: I’m surprised that they worked at all.
BN: It’s very hit and miss. The spike is also too short in duration
to make any difference. As far as the sublingual sprays, some of them
do contain real growth hormone, but it’s one four-hundredth of an IU!
I’d like to see some blood tests that show any elevation from that!
T: What is the price for a month’s supply of GH?
BN: I make arrangements with the pharmacies to sell the GH to patients
for exactly the price that I would pay for it?about ten dollars an IU.
T: That’s a pretty good price! I get the feeling that you are going
to get a lot of calls once this article is published.
BN: When the Japanese version comes out, it will be even cheaper. I
believe that within a few years, GH replacement will be as commonplace
as cough medicine. I should add that this is not recommended for young
people. If you already have a high level and take in additional GH,
it isn’t of much benefit, and that’s when you get all of the side effects,
like acromegaly. You also run the risk of diabetes and accelerated tumor
growth. Remember, you’re not going to look good just by what you inject
or swallow. You have to work out, eat right, and supplement.
Some people think that we’re fooling with nature, but I feel that growing
old is a disease process and should be fought. Nature has no need for
you after you pass the age of procreation. We are here to proliferate
the species?no other reason. So when you can no longer reproduce, you
have to be killed off to make room for the next generation. That’s why
it starts to decline so rapidly after 40. But I want to go down kicking
and screaming. It’s a philosophy.
T: What are your thoughts on steroid use by younger men?
BN: If they are cycled just to get an occasional "boost,"
it can be done safely. There are good steroids and bad steroids. I should
state that, in order for me to prescribe steroids, the patient must
prove to be hypogonadal. I don’t prescribe any oral steroids. I mostly
recommend deca.
T: And the brand available at pharmacies is Steris?
BN: Steris has closed down!
T: Oh, no!!!
BN: Yeah, now it’s only Organon…at three times the cost.
T: Have you had any surgery done on yourself?
BN: Yes, I had liposuction. I started getting jealous of my patients!
There was that last bit of fat lapping over my belt that just wouldn’t
go away, so I had it done, and it hasn’t been back. Liposuction is the
only real spot reducer. I haven’t had work done on my face, but when
the time comes, I’ll probably get a lift.
T: What is your most common surgical procedure?
BN: I think that I’ve set a record for doing more gynocomastia surgery
than anyone else. Over 700 cases! Breast implants would have to be second.
T: I knew a woman who had perfect C-cup breasts, and she had them enlarged
to the point where they looked like Tupperware bowls. Would you ever
dissuade someone from having cosmetic surgery?
BN: It’s important to have long talks with the patient and know what
they really want. I get some bizarre requests. You learn not to make
judgements. I write for a trade magazine for strippers [Extreme], and
I can tell you that some of those women know that the bigger the breasts,
the more in demand they become. They make money by looking freaky.
T: I guess that, like beauty, deformity is in the eye of the beholder.
BN: Absolutely. And as far as turning people away, yes. For example,
I won’t do lipo on fat people. I’d recommend that they first clean up
their diet and start an exercise program. Then, when I do the work,
it will look better and the fat won’t come back. It’s also better to
work on the problem before it gets too bad. I always say that the best
compliment is when someone sees a patient of mine and thinks that they
look great, but they don’t know why. The best job is one that isn’t
too obvious.
T: I understand that you have a new procedure for calf implants?
BN: Yes, I use a soft solid silastic implant (the texture of
muscle) that can be shaped any way you want. Round, diamond…it can’t
break or leak. It’s slipped into the fascial compartment over the heads
of the gastrocnemius, so it stays within the muscle confines. Most implants
being used, like the ones that Lou Ferrigno had to have removed, are
just placed under the skin. Calf size is determined genetically by the
length of the tendons. If you have short tendons, then all you have
to do is walk, and your calves will grow.
I use a similar technique with the pec implant. It’s inserted between
the pec major and the pec minor. It pushes the pec forward so that,
when you flex, what shows is your own muscle. You also don’t get that
lower pec droop found in other pec implants.
T: Could pec implants affect flexibility?
BN: They shouldn’t. If a surgeon doesn’t know what a perfect pec should
look like, the results can be a disaster. I just worked on a professional
baseball player who was born without a pectoral muscle. He is now doing
commercials without his shirt on.
T: What are the prices for the other various procedures?
BN: The total cost of most liposuction, including office visits, anesthesia,
everything, is about $5,100. Implants can cost $5,000-$7,000.
T: I guess I’m stuck with my skinny calves after all. Any new techniques
on the horizon?
BN: There are new things all of the time. Some things, like ultrasonic
liposuction, I’m not a big proponent of. Lasers should be used only
by laser specialists. Sometimes people fall so in love with technology
that they feel a need to use it in spite of its effectiveness.
I think that, in the future, there will be doctors who are "enhancement
specialists." They will deal with all aspects of youth extension,
performance enhancement, and body alteration. It will include all forms
of surgery, drugs, and hormone therapy.
T: Doc, it sounds as if you’re doing some of that fascinating work
already. You look incredible, especially for someone your age.
BN: I feel like a man twenty years younger.
T: One last hypothetical question. What do you think would happen if
you stopped taking the GH, testosterone, and deca durabolin?
BN: [Thinks for a moment] Well, I guess I’d turn into an old man!
In 1959, a story by Charles Beaumont entitled "Number 12 Looks
Just like You" (later made into an episode of "The Twilight
Zone") spoke of a futuristic society that eliminated many of the
world’s woes by putting people through a "transformation"
that would make them young and beautiful. Today, we’re getting close
to living in that brave new world.
I think it’s fair to say that most people would choose to be as attractive
as possible. Like anything else, cosmetic enhancement can be taken too
far (e.g. Michael Jackson). It’s not meant to be a cure-all. But it’s
an option; in some cases, the only option.
After talking to Dr. Nadler, I felt much more at ease about surgery
as a method of improving one’s appearance. The idea of steroid and GH
therapy also sounds enticing. I think it’s safe to assume that I may
be making another call on the doctor, soon. Very soon.
If you wish to contact "The Liposuctionator," you may do
so by either calling 1-800-445-0505 or visiting his website at www.drnadler.com.

Here
are some more articles about Nadler, including this one:

www.taekwondotimes.com/portal/
–
[Cached]

Published on: 4/10/2007 Last Visited:
4/26/2007
Retired plastic surgeon and certified personal trainer Bruce
J. Nadler M.D. has brought his Plastic
Synergy training system to Los Angeles. As stated in his
book, "The Nip Tuck Workout – Exercise through the Eyes of a Plastic
Surgeon," Dr. Nadler has created an exercise
program based on the plastic surgical principles of proportion and symmetry.
It combines careful analysis with an individualized exercise prescription.
LOS ANGELES, April 10 /PRNewswire/ –
Retiring after 28 years of practicing plastic surgery in NYC, Dr.
Nadler, a former competitive body builder, ASCM
certified personal fitness trainer and himself a baby boomer, developed
a regimen that is safe, efficient and effective. Instead of settling for
a minimally acceptable goal of fitness, he optimizes
each person’s physical potential.
His background in plastic surgery, bodybuilding
and martial arts (black belt in Shotokan karate) has allowed him to combine
the best of many disciplines to create his system.

…
Dr. Nadler has re-located to Los Angeles after
successfully training several top New York City celebrities. He
is now affiliated with The Scandinavian Health Experience.

Here are archived pages of his websites DrNadler.com
and MDFitnesspts.com.
Here’s
how he describes himself:

I am the only M.D. specializing in Aesthetic Personal Fitness
Training. No one else has my background of cosmetic plastic surgery,anti-aging
medicine and exercise experience.
* World renowned cosmetic plastic surgeon and personal trainer for almost
3 decades specializing in body sculpture and anti-aging, now retired from
surgery
* Certified personal trainer- American College of Sports Medicine, the
most difficult certification to obtain
* Black belt- Shotokan karate
* Body building and female figure judge- National Physique Committee
* Author of "The Nip Tuck Workout"
* Creator of the "Plastic Synergy" workout system
The media has recognized my knowledge and ability.
I have appeared on:
* The View
* MTV
* VH-1
* The Discovery Channel
* CBS, NBC, ABC and Fox News.
I have been featured in:
* New York Magazine
* The New York Times
* Wall Street Journal
* New York Post
* Newsday
* Vogue
* Cosmopolitan
* Maxim
* Penthouse
* Muscular Development
* Muscle and Fitness
* Ironman
[After a topless picture of himself flexing his muscles, Dr. Nadler says:]
"Not too bad for a 60 year old It’s really me! I’ll take my shirt
off on request.. I know how to maximize your potential."

Here’s a
disturbing interview with Dr. Nadler from DietDetective.com:

Dr. Bruce Nadler was a well known Plastic Surgeon who practiced
for 28 years and specialized in surgical body sculpting. He is now a personal
fitness trainer certified by both the American College of Sports Medicine
and the International Sports Sciences Association. He a competitive body
builder, winning titles in Master’s Level competitions, as well
as a National Physique Committee bodybuilding and figure competition judge.
This extensive background in the human form gives Dr. Nadler a special
understanding and insight into what a body should look like and how to
obtain it.
Name:
Bruce Nadler, M.D.
Birthday: 1/29/1947
Location: New York
Q: Tell us how you got to where
you are now.
A: After practicing plastic surgery for
28 years, I retired and started a person training business, Nip Tuck
Fitness NYC.
Q: Define and discuss failure.
A: Failure is the inability to see alternative
answers to your problems.
Q: Is there anything about yourself
that you’ve changed your mind about in the last 20 years?
A: I thought I couldn’t find something
that would give me the same satisfaction as performing plastic surgery.
Becoming a personal trainer has changed that. I can use the experience
and knowledge I possess to maximize my new endeavor.
Q: What’s the next major item
on your "to-do" list?
A: The next major item is to start work
on my next book called “Operation Boomerang, Returning Baby Boomers
to Fitness." It will deal with safe and effective methods
for Baby Boomers to achieve the benefits of exercise. Being a
Baby Boomer myself, give additional insight into the project.
Q: Define individual responsibility
and how you react to adverse situations.
A: Individual responsibility is opting
out from our current society of victims. Too many people claim
the results of their own stupidity are caused by others. Then
they try to sue them.
Adverse situations are challenges.
I had rheumatic fever as a child and then another heart infection during
my surgical residency. Instead of accepting a compromised life
style, I refused to be limited just because I have two damaged heart
valves. I learned to compensate and do any activity I want.
Q: When do you have time to think
about your mistakes, mishaps, achievements, and minor victories; in
other words, do you have any reflective time for yourself of your career?
A: These are all lessons that should teach
rather than be ignored. I certainly have had my share of each
of the categories. They constantly hover in the background to
provide a measure to evaluate any potentially new activity.
Q: What is your most influential
story, fiction or nonfiction, from a film, book, magazine, newspaper
or parable? Explain its impact on your life? What’s you’re favorite
saying?
A: The most influential writing in my
life is the poem “Invictus" by William Ernest Henley.
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find me, unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the
scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.
This poem sums up my feelings about adversity.
Q: Was there a defining moment
in your life when you made a decision that changed the course of the
rest of your life forever?
A: Marrying my wife Terri gave the perfect
complement to my personality. I found an equal who made me
much more than I could have been alone.
Q: What’s the most bodacious chance
you’ve ever taken?
A: Life has been a series of chances.
Every time I refused to be compromised, I took a big chance. When
I decided, as a plastic surgeon, to concentrate on surgery for the physically
fit, I was told there was no market. I proved that wrong.
When I announced my retirement to pursue personal training, I was also
told I wouldn’t be happy. Time will tell.
Q: What’s the biggest lesson you’ve
learned about yourself? What’s the biggest lesson you haven’t learned?
A: The most important quality to be successful
is to able to bounce back from adversity. Try to have a life boat,
a “Plan B," in mind just in case.
I haven’t learned how to be in two
places at the same time.
Q: What keeps you going (your
motivation)?
A: My motivation is to push to envelop
as far as I can. There are four main principles that motivate
a person, fear, pleasure, pain and recognition. One must learn
to conquer or ignore fear. One must learn to avoid endure pain.
One must not be satisfied with pleasure alone. Accomplish these
feats and recognition will come.
Q: On those days when you’re not
motivated to work out, but you know you have to, what’s the one thought
that gets you going?
A: I have an image to maintain.
Q: If you had to choose a specific
song or band to get you psyched for your workout, what would it be?
A: Metallica
Q: If you could eat one forbidden
food whenever you wanted without gaining weight, what would it be?
A: That would be a toss-up between dark
chocolate and blue cheese.
Q: What dessert do you dream about?
A: A dark chocolate soufflé with
fresh whipped cream.
Q: If there were one healthy food
item (something you love) that you had to eat every day, what would
it be?
A: Low fat, low carbohydrate chocolate
brownies.
Q: What is the one food or meal
you always eat before an event? What about before training?
A: A hydrolyzed whey protein/ carbohydrate
shake.
Q: What’s the best book
about health that you’ve read?
A: My book “The Nip Tuck Workout."
Q: What are your two favorite
health magazines?
The Journal of the ACSM and the internet
magazine T-Nation.
Q: What do you consider the world’s
most perfect food? Please be specific and try not to answer with a category
but rather with a specific food item: for example, not “whole
grain" but “raisin bran cereal"?
A: Plain Yogurt
Q: Do you have any sports superstitions
or rituals?
No
Q: How do you take total control
of your mind and body to achieve the focus you need during pivotal sports
moments?
A: Zen Meditation. I’ve spent
15 years involved in martial arts. It’s given me the ability
to hyper-focus.
Q: What do you think is the best
training location in the world?
A: La Jolla, California
Q: What do you do to reduce stress/relax/center
your mind? Do you participate in an organized relaxation activity such
as yoga, meditation or tai chi?
A: Total concentration on the mind-body-breathing
connection during weight training serves as a moving meditation.
Q: Are there healthy restaurants
that you enjoy and would recommend?
A: Josephina’s Restaurant in Manhattan.

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