What Do We Find Interesting?

David Pinsof writes: These are the things that generally determine what humans find interesting:

We want to fit in. We often find stuff interesting because others find it interesting. Just as people can become famous for being famous, things can become interesting for being interesting. That’s why we’re interested in sports, celebrities, and the news, even though they’re mostly useless. Everyone talks about these things, and we don’t want to be left out of the conversation.

We want attention. When people listen to us, that’s a sign that we’re high status. We like that. So we’re interested in whatever grabs people’s attention, from the titillating to the gory to the gossipy to the paradoxical…

We want to form cliques. We’re constantly on the lookout for shareable tidbits we can use to signal membership in our special subculture, like historical esoterica or highfalutin theories. For example, if we casually mention the book “Capital in the 21st Century,” some people will look confused, but cool smart likeminded people will nod their heads. This allows us to covertly figure out who’s smart and cool like us and who’s not, so we can connect with fellow members of the cognoscente, while subtly excluding dumb-dumbs who aren’t as cool as us. To pull off this strategy, though, we need to find nerd chic interesting in the first place. Not because it’s especially useful or accurate, but because it helps us hobnob with other smart, high-status people.

We want to display our superiority. The hotter the take, the fewer people believe it. So if we can convince people that the hot take is correct, then we get to look smarter than everyone else. The same thing goes for moral claims. If we can convince people that some widespread behavior is morally wrong—or some weird behavior is morally right—then we get to look holier than thou.

We want to display our group’s superiority. The more a piece of information disparages an enemy group (e.g., Republicans, “woke” people), the more we’re captivated by it. Spreading the disparaging information rallies our tribe and boosts solidarity. That’s why we’re more interested in simplistic partisan rants than nuanced policy analysis.

We want to persuade people. We want to justify our behavior, tell self-flattering stories, win debates, and rally people to our side. That’s why we’re interested in stuff that supports what we already believe or want to believe. The goal isn’t to learn anything new or better understand reality; it’s to gather ammunition for arguments.

We want to signal. Talking about scary stuff makes us look competent. Talking about complicated stuff makes us look smart. Talking about feel-good stuff makes us seem warm and cuddly. But in order to signal these traits, we have to be interested in scary, complicated, or feel-good stuff in the first place. So we’re interested in whatever helps us signal the kind of person we are—or want to be.

We want to be flattered. That’s why self-help is such a popular genre: it always involves praising the reader and telling them what wonderful people they are. The same thing applies to the groups we belong to. Any information that flatters our group, that “inspires” us and tells us how brave and virtuous we are—that’s interesting.

We want to oneup everyone else. That’s why we like cynical bullshit, including this very substack: it gives us all an opportunity to dunk on other people. If everyone else is a hypocrite, and everything else is bullshit, then guess who comes out looking good? You and me!

We want to show we’re on the same page. Working together requires coordinating our movements, which is why dancing and chanting feel good: it makes us feel like we’re a single unit (plus it strikes fear into the hearts of our enemies). But working together also requires coordinating our thinking. That’s why we like sweeping generalizations: it’s easier to mentally coordinate on false simplicity than real complexity. The ultimate mental dance is to converge on the same banal interpretation of a deepity, paradox, or jargon-laden word salad.

We want to be associated with high status people. That’s why “eloquence” is so interesting. It signals all sorts of cool characteristics in the speaker (wit, creativity, social skills), which means that the person must have lots of status or be well on their way to getting it. We want to listen to high status people, and we want to parrot whatever eloquent bullshit they’re saying, because that raises our status by association.

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Why Do We Argue?

David Pinsof writes: The goal is to subtly punish people for questioning our dogmas or dissing our allies. When we argue about politics, we’re playing The Opinion Game—the secret war over social norms. And the norm we want to establish is: respect our tribe.

Think of the Soviet Union. Everyone secretly hates Stalin, but Stalin and his apparatchiks work very hard to prevent people from becoming aware of that fact. Because if everyone did become aware of their mutual hatred for Stalin, they would rise up to overthrow him. Bad news for Stalin.

So Stalin and his apparatchiks force people to parrot Soviet propaganda as loudly as possible, as publicly as possible, so that no one knows who the anti-Stalinists are, or how many anti-Stalinists there are in their midst. This prevents the anti-Stalinists from coordinating and rallying together. If anyone refuses to parrot the Soviet propaganda, or refuses to parrot it loudly enough—off to the gulags they go. Some version of this strategy is, to my knowledge, used by every authoritarian regime that has ever existed. It’s a very effective strategy for maintaining power…

If people don’t parrot the coalition’s propaganda, or don’t parrot it loudly enough, they get “cancelled.” Getting cancelled isn’t as bad as getting sent to the gulags, but the outcome is the same. The opposition is silenced. The coalition maintains power…

Here are some other dark purposes of arguing:

We want to rally our tribe.

We want to rationalize.

We want to verbally spar.

We want to defend our status.

We want to defend our tribes.

We want to attack others’ status.

We want to cover up the fact that we’re doing all these dark, ugly things…

How can you tell if you’re in a pseudo-argument? Here are some warning signs:

The person is not genuinely listening to what you’re saying and considering its implications.

The person does not ask you any questions and makes no attempt to get clarification on what you mean.

The person is arguing against positions you do not hold—positions that are far dumber and crazier than what you believe.

The person is interpreting what you say in the worst possible light.

The person is unwilling to acknowledge any valid points you make or mention any cases where they agree with you.

The person is angry, offended, or upset.

The argument revolves around issues that are central to the person’s tribal identity or social status.

The person is overconfident, talking about complex issues as if they were simple and alternative views as if they were crazy.

The person engages in whataboutism or deflection, focusing more on the relative status of people or tribes than the truth of propositions.

There is no sense of curiosity or mystery.

There is no sense of collaboration in getting to the truth.

It is unclear what is even being argued about.

The person interrupts you and would rather talk than listen.

The person dodges your questions.

Whenever the person’s views are on the brink of looking dubious, they change the subject.

Here’s my advice. If you find yourself in a pseudo-argument, RUN! Get out of that situation. Nothing good will come from it.

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Eat, Pray, Profit

David Pinsof writes: Advice is rarely focused on the goals we actually have. For example, here’s what the self-help section might look like if it was focused on our real goals:

Zen and the Art of Social Climbing

Echo-Friendly: 10 Steps to Ensconcing Yourself in a Cocoon of Ideological Conformity and Motivated Reasoning

The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Virtue Signalers

The Lips 2 Butt Method: Take Control of Your Life by Sycophantically Ingratiating Yourself with High-Status People

Own It: Keep Rival Male’s Sperm out of Your Mate’s Vagina

You Can Do It! How to Harness the Power of Moral Ambiguity and Plausible Deniability to Rationalize Your Fucked-Up Behavior

Eat, Pray, Confabulate

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Understanding the illusion of understanding

David Pinsof writes: The information we find interesting is mostly bullshit. Our appetite for information does not naturally guide us toward truth and wisdom, but toward gossip, flattery, shibboleths, and propaganda. We shop around for beliefs in much the same way we shop around for clothes, searching for whatever makes us look sharp and fashionable.

That’s why we’re fascinated by ideas that are special. Our attention is captured by the hottest takes and the boldest pronouncements. We want to stake out unique positions that no one else has taken, or discover secrets that no one else knows about, so that when we convince people we’re right and in the know, we get to look cooler than everyone else.

But on the other hand, we want ideas that are plausible. We’re attracted to the appearance of rigor and credibility (if not the real thing), because we need to actually convince people the information is true—or at least, worth taking seriously. If we fail to convince anyone we’re right, then we won’t look superior to anyone, and we might end up looking stupid, gullible, or crazy.

So we’re faced with a trade-off between specialness and plausibility. The need for specialness pulls us toward weirder and more outlandish beliefs, while the need for plausibility pulls us toward more obvious and commonsensical beliefs. Contrarians favor the former end of the trade-off. Normies favor the latter end of the trade-off.

But is there any way to avoid the trade-off altogether—to have our cake and eat it? Can we say stuff that’s special and plausible at the same time? I think we can.

Enter the deepity. A deepity is a statement with two interpretations: one that is bold, provocative, and earth-shattering, and another that is boring, obvious, or banal. This allows us to have it both ways. When we’re trying to be special, we can lean on the bold interpretation. When we’re trying to convince people we’re right, we can pivot to the boring interpretation…

Let’s dissect some other examples.

“What we think, we become.” – the Buddha
Interesting interpretation. If you think you’re Abraham Lincoln, you will become Abraham Lincoln.

Boring interpretation. Thoughts cause behavior.

“If a thing loves, it is infinite.” – William Blake
Interesting interpretation. If you love someone, you achieve immortality or become a black hole or something.

Boring interpretation. If you love someone, that is really, really cool.

“The future influences the present as much as the past.” – Friedrich Nietzsche
Interesting interpretation. Something that happens at time 2 can retroactively cause something to happen at time 1.

Boring interpretation. People sometimes think about the future.

“Everything happens for a reason.”
Interesting interpretation. Things happen because a supernatural being or cosmic spirit wanted them to happen.

Boring interpretation. Things have causes.

“We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the universe, atomically.” – Neil deGrasse Tyson
Interesting interpretation. We are bound together by a spirit of universal love, warmly embraced by Mother Earth, and suffused with cosmic significance.

Boring interpretation. We’re humans. We’re made of chemicals. The chemicals are made of atoms. We’re in the universe.

“The power of intention is the power to manifest, to create…” – Wayne Dyer
Interesting interpretation. Intentions can magically get you whatever you want.

Boring interpretation. Intentions often cause you to do the thing you intended.

“Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding.” – Khalil Gibran
Interesting interpretation. Pain is the only way to understand reality.

Boring interpretation. Pain teaches you something, and what it teaches you is: don’t do that.

“Knowledge is power.” – Francis Bacon
Interesting interpretation. Reading lots of books will magically turn you into Xi Xinpeng.

Boring interpretation. Knowledge is often helpful.

“The future is inside us. It’s not anywhere else.” – Radiohead
Interesting interpretation. We can magically control the future without having to deal with conflicts, compromises, limitations, constraints, inertia, coordination problems, or unpredictable events.

Boring interpretation. Our goals are inside us. They’re not anywhere else.

“Each of us can manifest the properties of a field of consciousness that transcends space, time, and causality.” – Stanislav Grof
Interesting interpretation. We can have thoughts that do not come before or after other thoughts, do not occur inside our heads, and have no causes or effects.

Boring interpretation. We can imagine stuff.

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‘Status Is a Four-Letter Word: Self Versus Other Differences and Concealment of Status-Striving’

From a 2014 paper: The notion that striving for status is a fundamental human motivation is a largely taken-for-granted assumption across a number of literatures (e.g., anthropology, economics, evolutionary and social psychology, management, marketing, and sociology). In six studies, we show that—despite the ubiquity of status-striving in everyday life—people are reluctant to admit to such behavior. Specifically, participants consistently reported that they strive for status less than others, and this discrepancy was partially reduced only among participants who were less concerned about impression management or whose ability to engage in impression management was compromised. Although high status is clearly valuable and pursuing greater status is a basic human drive, we interpret these findings to mean that status-striving is a stigmatized behavior that people actively conceal.

Gemini: Concealment of Status-Striving:
The core finding is that people generally try to hide their desire for status from others.
Negative Perception:
The desire for status is viewed negatively by most people, making it a stigmatized behavior.
Self vs. Other:
There is a difference between how people view their own desire for status and how they perceive others’ desire for it. People may not be accurate in detecting status-seeking in others because everyone is trying to conceal their own ambitions.
Cultural Differences:
Ethnicity matters, with the research indicating that white individuals are less comfortable with the perception of being a “striver” compared to Asian individuals, who may view ambition as a virtuous pursuit.
Consequences of Openness:
Blatantly showing your status-seeking behavior is likely to undermine your goal, rather than achieve it.
Implications
Subtlety in Status Acquisition:
To gain status, individuals should focus on enhancing the apparent value they provide to their group, such as through competence, generosity, and commitment, rather than engaging in blatant self-promotion.
Prosocial Behavior:
The negative effect of a high desire for status on actual status is largely mediated by perceptions of low prosociality.
Social Dynamics:
The findings suggest a social dynamic where groups actively but imperfectly punish those perceived as having a high desire for status.

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Dennis Prager’s First Public Appearance!

In Dennis Prager’s first video since his bad fall November 12, 2024, he says he hasn’t changed his mind about anything. He spends his time listening to podcasts by Douglas Murray, Ben Shapiro, Megyn Kelly, and TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network in Israel).

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The Status Game

David Pinsof writes: We all want status, but we can’t admit it. Why? Because it’s uncool. Wanting status makes us look selfish, insecure, and low-status. Ew. We’re not supposed to care about petty things like money or fame; we’re supposed to care about noble things like integrity or authenticity or something. Admitting we’re desperate for status is like admitting we’re horny for a co-worker or jealous of a friend’s success: it’s not a good look. So we pretend we don’t care about status, as a way of gaining status. It’s kind of confusing.

That means status games—i.e., the mutually-agreed-upon rules for winning and losing status—are fragile. We can only play a status game if we lack awareness that it’s a status game. As soon as we become aware of the game we’re playing, we stop getting status for playing it. In fact, we lose status: we look selfish, insecure, and low-status. Ew. So virtue signalers cannot know they’re virtue signaling, and neither can the people who award them virtue. “Brave” truth-tellers cannot know they’re seeking praise from their political tribe, and neither can the tribe who praises them. “Rebellious” nonconformists cannot know they’re conforming to the norms of their subculture, and neither can their subculture. Status games must never be emblazoned with a neon sign that says “STATUS GAME,” or else they’ll disintegrate in the light like vampires….

The game collapses. People stop playing, for fear of looking uncool. Instead, they start playing an anti-status game to show how cool and not-interested-in-status they are. The point of an anti-status game is to show that you care about more important things than status, like integrity or authenticity or something. Anti-status games emerge in opposition to a collapsing status game, and they often take the opposite form. If people are showing off their immaculately coiffed hair, for example, anti-status-seekers might wear their hair artfully tussled.

In other words, anti-status games are just another kind of status game. We could remove the “anti” if we wanted to, but it’s useful to keep it there to get a handle on what’s going on, so we can see why these games are so weird. Status games are constantly collapsing and re-emerging in antithetical forms. They give rise to anti-status games, then anti-anti-status games, and so on. Different cultures split off as status symbols twirl in fractal, quasi-cyclical patterns…

So if there’s a status game you dislike, expose it. Tell satirical stories about its vainglorious players. Translate the covert signals into a lingua franca. Attack the game’s supposed values and reveal its hypocrisy. If you succeed, the game will collapse. That’s what happened to dueling, foot binding, powdered wigs, and all the other defunct status games throughout history, and it’s sure to happen to many of the status games we’re currently playing, like educational credentialism and performative wokeness.

On the other hand, if there’s a status game you like, shield it from criticism. Hide the fact that it has anything to do with status, and angrily defend any accusations that it’s more narcissistic than it appears. This kind of angry defensiveness has been common throughout history, as people sought to protect their fragile status games from collapse. “How dare you mock dueling! It’s a noble tradition of manly honor!”

When we defend our status games, we usually appeal to “sacred” values, like manly honor, beauty, faith, knowledge, equality, integrity, or authenticity or something. We have to pretend these values are intrinsically important and worth upholding for their own sake, independent of any status we get for upholding them. We create sacred narratives about how none of us are vain or self-centered at all; we’re just noble souls who are impartially motivated by an abstract love of truth or beauty or self-expression or whatever. If anyone questions our sacred narrative or mocks us for being uncool status-seekers, it might cause our fragile status game to collapse, and that would be terrible—we’d lose all our accumulated status. That’s why questioning sacred values is taboo.

Unfortunately, when deciding which status games to attack or defend, we’re biased. If we’re losing a status game, we attack it: it’s toxic and irrational and ruining everything. If we’re winning a status game, we defend it: it’s noble and pure and aimed at the betterment of humankind. That is what culture wars are all about. We say they’re about clashing values, but really they’re just power struggles between rival subcultures—attempts to shift the rules of the reigning status game in their favor. People naturally accuse their rivals of being uncool status-seekers (e.g. “you’re just virtue signaling” or “you just don’t want to give up your privilege”), while pretending that they themselves aren’t interested in status. No, they’re interested in more important things, like social justice or free speech or something…

So if you still haven’t found the right status game to play, please: choose wisely. Consider joining my anti-bullshit, (anti-)status game, which is the only way to understand how our status games really work.

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Predisposed: Liberals, Conservatives, and the Biology of Political Differences (2024)

I love this book. I also love the Alliance Theory of politics.

ChatGPT mapped the differences:

1. Source of Political Beliefs

Predisposed: Argues that political orientations are deeply rooted in psychological, physiological, and genetic predispositions. These shape how people perceive threats, authority, fairness, and belonging before they ever consciously adopt positions.

Alliance Theory: Rejects the idea that belief systems come from stable moral values. Instead, it claims political beliefs are strategic patchworks, assembled to serve alliances and rivalries in a given context.

Mapping: Both accounts explain the apparent irrationality and inconsistency of political positions. Predisposed says those inconsistencies reflect deep-seated traits (e.g., threat sensitivity), while Alliance Theory says they reflect who your allies are and how you rationalize support for them.

2. Stability vs. Contingency

Predisposed: Emphasizes relative stability. Predispositions aren’t destiny, but they incline people toward left/right orientations and related lifestyle, media, and policy choices over the long term.

Alliance Theory: Emphasizes contingency and fluidity. Belief systems shift depending on who is allied with whom; e.g., libertarians and evangelicals joined forces in the 1970s not because of natural affinity, but because of a contingent strategic coalition.

Mapping: Predisposed is about the “default settings” of human psychology, while Alliance Theory explains how those defaults get sorted into actual political coalitions at a given time and place.

3. Function of Political Beliefs

Predisposed: Beliefs are expressions of underlying temperaments—fear, openness, need for order, etc. People defend their camp not just because of rational calculation, but because they are wired to respond that way.

Alliance Theory: Beliefs are propagandistic tools—ways of defending allies and attacking rivals through biases like competitive victimhood, attributional distortions, and selective moralizing.

Mapping: Predisposed explains why some people are more prone to adopt rigid, us-vs-them stances, while Alliance Theory explains the tactical content of those stances—why the specific inconsistencies arise and get moralized.

4. Group Conflict as the Core Dynamic

Predisposed: Frames the deepest political split as insiders vs. outsiders (nativist vs. cosmopolitan), rooted in evolutionary concerns about group security and belonging.

Alliance Theory: Frames all politics as alliances and rivalries—who you stand with, who you oppose. These coalitions are structured by cues like similarity, interdependence, and transitivity.

Mapping: Both theories see politics as essentially tribal. Predisposed explains why some individuals gravitate toward tight in-group defense, while Alliance Theory explains how coalitions crystallize around that instinct in context.

5. Complementarity vs. Tension

Complementary view: Predisposed provides the biological/psychological floor (why humans are disposed toward certain orientations), while Alliance Theory provides the strategic superstructure (how those orientations get mobilized and combined into belief systems).

Tension: Predisposed leans toward universality and stability (everyone has predispositions, patterns are cross-cultural), while Alliance Theory leans toward historical contingency (alliances are local accidents, belief systems are ad hoc).

In short:

Predisposed says: political conflict grows from innate predispositions—fear vs. openness, order vs. change.

Alliance Theory says: political conflict grows from alliances and rivalries—beliefs are rationalizations to defend your side.
Together, they offer a layered model: predispositions explain why humans are primed for tribal politics, while alliance structures explain why the tribes take the particular shapes they do.

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Winning The Opinion Game

David Pinsof writes: We’re a judgy species. We’re constantly judging each other for every little thing we do. And we deny that we’re doing this, because one of the things we get judged for, ironically, is being judgy.

And we deny that we’re trying to impress our judgy peers, because trying to impress them makes us look insecure and performative.

So we judge each other for being judgy, and we desperately try to make each other think that we don’t care what they think. It’s all very confusing.

This raises the question: how do we judge people? What do we judge them on? The answer is: preferences. We mostly judge people on what they like and dislike….

We all know, deep down, that when people give us their opinion, they’re trying to be better than us. We can feel it. But we cannot call them out on this, because then they’ll get offended, and we’ll look mean—like we’re trying to look better than them. So we’re stuck nodding our heads and pretending not to be annoyed.

How do we do it? How do we win the opinion game and transform our preferences into social norms? Well, one way is just by having lots of status. People sycophantically agree with whatever high-status people say, so our social norms—our shared opinions—will bend toward the interests of high-status people.

Another way is to have cultural power—to have a big platform where people listen to you. If you get to shout your opinions on a megaphone to a massive audience, then you’re going to have a big advantage in the opinion game. So norms bend toward the interests of the culturally powerful.

Another way to win the opinion game is, to be a bit more optimistic, by having genuinely good arguments about why your preferences are better than other people’s preferences. Those arguments will involve externalizing your preferences—that is, framing them as reactions to objective features of the world. The reason you like the stuff you do is because it is objectively good for you, or good for everyone. The reason you see things from your perspective is because it is objectively accurate or insightful. These are the sorts of arguments we make when we play the opinion game.

Of course, these arguments are mostly bullshit, because we mostly don’t care about useful truth or what’s good for the world. We just pretend to care about these things to win the opinion game. “I like the things I do because they’re good for everyone. I see the world the way I do because it’s useful and true.”

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‘I Don’t Care If You Read This’

David Pinsof writes: We all care what people think—deeply, desperately. Some of us just act like we don’t care what people think, in order to make people think that we don’t care what they think. We signal we’re not signaling.

I once saw a tweet about how good it feels to not tweet: “Had the urge to tweet something a few hours ago. Resisted the urge. Feels good.” The tweeter was patting himself on the back for not tweeting, oblivious to the fact that he was, in fact, tweeting.

Or consider this article in New York Magazine, in which the author proudly declared she had “abandoned the notion of ambition.” The author was tired of writing pat thinkpieces for likes and retweets, which she wrote in a pat thinkpiece that got lots of likes and retweets.

Politics is full of this chicanery, like the complaint that everything is politicized. “You just had to go and make things political, didn’t you, David?” Unfortunately, complaining that everything is politicized is just a way of politicizing complaints that everything is politicized. Sighing about political “tribalism” is, likewise, a signal of loyalty to the centrist/libertarian tribe that sighs about political tribalism.

We are too naïve about signaling games. We think we can escape them. We think there is an “opt out” button we can press at any time. But that button does not exist. We have no choice but to signal. In a judgy species like ours, every little thing we do gets noticed, including the things we don’t do—or the things we say we don’t do while we do them.

…we bravely defy social norms so that people will praise us, we poke fun of ourselves for being uncool to prove we’re cool, we rebel against conformity in the same way as everyone else, and most of all: we desperately want people to know that we don’t care what they think. It’s the mother of all social paradoxes.

The only escape is to admit there’s no escape. Give in. Play the game. Send the signals you want to send to the people you want to receive them, and—who knows?—you might just feel a glimmer of happiness.

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