You cannot be a Lubavitcher and be a Zionist

In his second lecture on R. Shlomo Yosef Zevin for Torah in Motion, historian Marc B. Shapiro says: You cannot be a Lubavitcher and be a Zionist. Lubavitch was always opposed to Zionism. Practically, you can support the state.

When you read the correspondence between R. Zevin and R. Menachem Schneerson, it reads like correspondence between equals. R. Schneerson never pulls rank.

There was a whole era before WWII of Hasidim who were beardless. Even though they went to a rebbe, they still sent their kids to university. They still were Zionists.

Today it is rare to have a beardless Hasid or a Hasid who doesn’t hold by everything his rebbe says.

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Was One Jewish Grandparent Enough To Send You To The Concentration Camps?

In his second lecture on R. Shlomo Yosef Zevin for Torah in Motion, historian Marc B. Shapiro says: Every Jew knows that if you had only one Jewish grandparent, you were sent to the camps.

Not true. If you had two Jewish grandparents and you identified as a Jew and you went to synagogue, then you were on the train to Auschwitz, but if you didn’t identify as Jewish and you had two Jewish grandparents, you weren’t sent to the camps.

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Marc B. Shapiro: The Worst Thing Chabad Did

According to Wikipedia: “[Yosef Yitzchok (Joseph Isaac), the sixth Lubavitcher rebbe] Schneersohn argued against his Hasidim leaving Russia[in the 1920s, 1930s], even if they were able do. He explicitly forbade his followers from leaving, describing those who did as “deserters”.”

In his first lecture on R. Shlomo Yosef Zevin for Torah in Motion, historian Marc B. Shapiro says: Any rabbi [in the Soviet Union in the 1920s] who could get out, did. Rabbi Zevin remained.

For all the problems living under the czar, he was not concerned with how you lived your private life. As long as you were not interested in getting involved in politics, you could have religious freedom.

The communists were interested in uprooting religion. Their primary persecution was against Christianity.

Legally, anyone could go to church or synagogue, but if you wanted to advance in society, you could not go.

The Hasidic rebbes took many followers with them [out of the Soviet Union]. They encouraged them to leave.

In the summer of 1925, it was obvious that there was no future for Jewish life [in the Soviet Union].

Yosef Yitzchok (Joseph Isaac)Schneersohn issued an opinion that emigration from the Soviet Union was forbidden.

In 1927, the rebbe was arrested. After being released, he left the Soviet Union and by 1930 he was telling his followers that there was no future for them in the Soviet Union and that they should leave.

In my family, there was eight children. Four came to America [circa 1921], four remained in the Soviet Union. All of them assimilated. All intermarried. Only one moved to Israel. He was intermarried.

It should’ve been clear that this was a hopeless mission [to remain] in the Soviet Union. It meant sacrificing thousands of people and their families and their futures at a time when they would’ve been able to leave. His intentions were good but the results were disastrous.

The ones left in the Soviet Union had no education, no nothing.

This was a terrible terrible mistake to tell thousands of Hasidim who could leave that there place was here [in the Soviet Union]. It was a tragedy.

It’s only in the 1930s that Yosef Yitzchok (Joseph Isaac)Schneersohn realized he had to get out.

The Communist era was something entirely new. For the first time in maybe 2000 years, you had a government telling you that you could not observe Judaism. The Rambam is clear that if you are in a place where you can not openly observe Judaism, you are obligated to get out of there as soon as possible.

On the one hand, this says great things about Chabad. Who’s going to Bangkok, Thailand and trying to open up a shul there for tourists? And Nepal? It’s not people in the yeshiva world. You can’t ask someone to move to a place where there is a not a Jewish school and yet Chabad has always been willing to make that sacrifice.

They’d go to cities in America where there was no yeshiva and they would home-school their kids, and send their kids to public school and teach them on their own until sixth or seventh grade and then send them off to Crown Heights. It’s all coming from a good place. They were willing to make the sacrifice to stay in the Soviet Union because they are selfless people and the rebbe was selfless and they weren’t thinking about themselves. But if you look at what it led to, it led to a complete disaster. It led to complete assimilation of all these Chabad families. These families that were cream of the crop.

That’s when Reb Moshe Feinstein decided he had to leave, when he saw that he could not raise his children Jewish.

According to Wikipedia:

At a young age Rabbi Zevin was appointed rabbi of his birthplace, Kazimirov, and served as editor of the journal “Shaarei Torah.” He later served as rabbi of Klimon and Novozybkov.[2] He took an active role in the underground struggle to preserve Jewish observance in Soviet Russia after the Communist Revolution; this effort was headed by Rabbi Yosef Yitzchok Schneersohn. Beginning in 1921, he edited a Torah journal, Yagdil Torah, together with Rabbi Yehezkel Abramsky of Slutsk; for this crime he was imprisoned by the Communist authorities.[3] He founded Orthodox Jewish journals that dealt with problems of the time.
At the age of 18, Rabbi Zevin began corresponding with leading sages. He also began at a young age to serve Russian Jewry in various communal capacities. During the brief period of Ukrainian independence after World War I, Rabbi Zevin served as a member of the Ukrainian parliament. He also served as a member and officer of the parent body of Jewish communities in Ukraine.
In 1935, Rabbi Zevin settled in the Land of Israel and began teaching at the Mizrachi-affiliated Bet Midrash L’morim. He also served as a member of the Israeli Chief Rabbinate Council.
In 1947 the first volume of the Encyclopedia Talmudit was published under his editorial oversight. Zevin continued to serve as editor-in-chief until his death in 1978. This multi-volume work continues today.
Rabbi Zevin frequently corresponded with Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the Lubavitcher Rebbe; this correspondence is printed in the Igrot Kodesh series. He used concepts in Chabad philosophy to clarify halachic principles.

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Do You Believe In God?

I don’t remember a rabbi ever asking me if I believed in God or what I believed about God or, in fact, what I believed about anything religious.

When I asked the editor of a Jewish newspaper if he believed in God and in choseness, he told me it was not Jewish to ask such questions.

In 98% of Jewish life 98% of the time in my experience, it’s considered inappropriate to question Jews about their religious beliefs.

By contrast, I’ve often had rabbis inquire about my work, my housing, my healthcare and other practical matters where they wished to be of help.

Rabbis probably ask their congregants “Are you looking for a new job?” or “Do you need a doctor? or “Do you need an apartment?” one hundred times more often than, “Do you believe in God?”

I grew up a Seventh-Day Adventist Christian. The clergy I knew rarely asked me about my practical needs. They were much more concerned with my heavenly salvation, my relationship with God, and whether or not I had the correct theological beliefs.

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How Much Mental Illness Can I Handle In A Woman?

A friend: The key for us is this: how much mental illness can you take in a woman? Because it isn’t rational for the women we want to want us in return. So that leaves us with the mentally suspect.

I wonder if there is a bipolar dating service out there to hook up men with bipolar women.

Look at things from their and their friends POV. What is the case for getting involved with you?

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Orthodox Jewish Definitions Of Modesty

I grew up a Seventh-Day Adventist. Compared to other Christians, Adventists feel modest. By Muslim and Orthodox Jewish standards, however, they dress like hookers. Modest Adventist women feel little compunction about walking around in pants or shorts or knee-length dresses with naked arms. There’s also no custom or law in Adventism against greeting a member of the opposite sex.

By contrast, in traditional Orthodox Judaism, pretty much all female skin but the face is expected to be covered, women don’t wear pants in public, and talking to the opposite sex is discouraged (unless they’re family or you have to do it for practical reasons).

Historian Marc B. Shapiro writes: “He thinks that a woman who refuses to say good morning to her male neighbor is demonstrating proper tzeniut [modesty].”

A friend writes: The video is pretty horrible. He’s saying how according to the midrash, God struck down all the weak Jews during the plague of darkness, so the surviving mother is answering the one surviving child why father died (because he had Yes, the Israeli cable channel) and the sister died because she wore pants, its really horrible stuff, and he does those voices mocking them, then he says that any day now there will another darkness like that heralding the redemption, and God will kill all the women who say good morning to their neighbours, etc. I used to know people who were into stuff like that when I lived in Israel (I hung out in Sepharadi and Yemenite areas), it was really terrifying, its not the Judaism you know, but this punitive and superstitious world of amulets, magic, miraculous blessings, etc. Not all Sepharadim are like that of course, I knew some really wonderful people from France, educated intellectual religious people, but in the poorer areas, you can hear some amazing things…

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May Women Be Called To The Torah?

Historian Marc B. Shapiro writes:

R. Samuel Portaleone’s opinion that in theory it is permitted to give a woman an aliyah in a private synagogue. Without knowing of Portaleone’s view, R. Yehuda Herzl Henkin concluded that ”if done without fanfare, an occasional aliyyah by a woman in a private minyan of men held on Shabbat in a home and not in a synagogue sanctuary or hall can perhaps be countenanced or at least overlooked.” “Qeriat Ha-Torah by Women: Where We Stand Today,” Edah Journal 1:2 (5761), p. 6. (Henkin also assumes that women’s aliyot on Simhat Torah are permissible.) There is another source in this regard that has been overlooked by those arguing for women’s aliyot in so-called partnership minyanim (I hate this term!). R. Moses Salmon, Netiv Moshe (Vienna, 1899), p. 24 n. 112, sees no problem with women getting aliyot today. As mentioned already, women are denied aliyot because of kevod ha-tzibur. Yet according to Salmon, since today men who get aliyot no longer read from the Torah, kevod ha-tzibur is no longer a concern. This was all theoretical for Salmon, as no one in his Hungarian town was dreaming of calling women up to the Torah, but from the standpoint of pure halakhah, he saw no objection. He also claims that according to Maimonides, women can be counted in a minyan.

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Does A Woman Singing The National Anthem Cause You Sexual Thoughts?

If not, I say it is permitted to listen.

Historian Marc B. Shapiro writes:

My correspondent further wrote: “I wanted to let you know that the son of Rabbi _____ (former president of the RCA [name deleted by MS]) told me that his father used to go to see Broadway shows based on the Psak of the Rav, who felt that if you couldn’t totally make out the face of the female singer it would be permitted.”

One of the commenters on the post called attention to R. Yehudah Herzl Henkin, Bnei Vanim, vol. 4, no. 7. In this responsum, he says a couple of things very relevant to the post. To begin with, he writes that it is permitted to listen to the singing of a single woman if this is something that you are used it, and it will not be sexually arousing.

לע”ד מדינא מותר לשמוע קול שיר של בתולות אם רגיל בקולן שאז שמיעתן זהה לראיית שערן

This is the same viewpoint I quoted from R. Jacob Pardo, who distinguishes between married women, whose singing is always forbidden, and single women whose singing is only forbidden if it is sensual song. Also noteworthy is that R. Henkin rejects the viewpoint found in various aharonim that a post-pubescent female (i.e., niddah) has the same status as a married woman, and her singing is therefore forbidden:

וכיון שנהגו להקל בשערן של בתולות ולא חלקו בין נדות לטהורות הוא הדין בקולן, כל שהוא רגיל בו ואינו מהרהר.

He concludes his responsum by stating that if the song is not sensual, and the woman’s voice is heard on the radio or out of a loudspeaker, since this is not really “her” voice it is permissible to listen. What this apparently means is that any time a woman sings into a microphone, it is permissible to listen to her (assuming her very appearance is not arousing). This basically gets rid of the entire kol isha prohibition in our time (when the songs aren’t sensual), since today every event with a woman singer uses a microphone. Based on R. Henkin’s responsum, all Modern Orthodox high schools could once more return to having young women sing solos (even though I am certain that this is not his intention).. Here is his conclusion (emphasis added):

ולא מפני שאנו מדמים נעשה מעשה להתיר לכתחילה לשמוע קול אשה המזמרת לפננו לבדה, אבל בשירה ברדיו או דרך רמקול וכו’ שעל פי דין אינה קולה ממש ובצירוף עוד טעמים [ראה להלן מאמר כ’] ובתנאי שהשירה אינה של עגבים נראה פשוט להקל.

In Bnei Vanim, vol. 2, p. 211, he quotes his grandfather as even permitting watching a woman sing on the television, because again, the voice is not her actual voice. He also notes that his grandfather later expressed doubt on this point.

שמעתי מפיו הקדוש שקול אשה על הרדיו אינו נקרא קול אשה ומותר לשמעו [בפעם הראשונה ששאלתי אותו על זה אמר בפירוש שגם בטלביזיה אינו נקרא קול אשה ומותר לשמעו, אבל כשחזרתי ושאלתי אותו על זה אחרי זמן לא היה ברור אצלו – ואולי מפני חולשתו]

In vol. 4, p. 30, he refers to a woman singing the national anthem, which based on his argumentation would, I think, be quite easy to permit, even watching on television. As he notes, this is not the sort of song that arouses sexual thoughts:

ורבים מקילים לשמוע קול שיר של אשה ברדיו כשהיא אינה לפניהם, ואינה שרה שירי עגבים אלא שירי מולדת וכיוצא באלה ורחוק שיהרהרו בה ואינו תלוי באם מכירה או לא.

I would also like to share an email I received from Benny Hutman which relates to R. Moshe Feinstein’s opinion. In my post I called attention to a responsum of R. Moshe Feinstein which I claimed cast doubt on R. Mordechai Tendler’s assertion that according to R. Moshe kol isha is entirely situational and depends on whether or not someone is aroused.

Benny writes:
It seems to me that R’ Moshe must hold that the prohibition on Kol Isha depends on whether a person is used to hearing women sing. R’ Moshe holds like the Aruch Hashulchan that nowadays one can say Shema in front of a woman with uncovered hair because the reality is that we are constantly confronted with such hair and therefore it is no longer arousing. For this to make sense we need to understand the Gemara in Berachos when it says “sear b’isha erva” to mean that hair could be ervah, meaning I would have thought that ervah by definition could only refer to parts of her body, ka mashma lan that hair despite not being skin can be ervah. However it won’t actually be ervah unless it is normally covered. Since the language of the Gemara is exactly the same (as is the source) it follows that the gemara means that Kol Isha could be ervah despite not physically being attached to the body at all. However, just as R’Moshe says that our constant exposure to uncovered hair makes sear no longer be ervah, the same logic dictates that if someone has been listening to women sing all his life kol isha will not be ervah. Arguably it can also be situational so that if someone has been going to the opera all his life such singing will not be kol isha, but pop music will be. It seems to me that this heter should apply to almost all Modern Orthodox men. This would explain how Rabbi Tendler could say that R’ Moshe held that the prohibition is situational despite R’ Moshe’s tshuva apparently holding it is forbidden. It depends on who is asking the question and the time, place and manner of the singing.
Finally, R. Hayyim Amsalem, in his recently published Derekh Hayyim, p. 45, states that it is a well known fact that great Torah scholars and chief rabbis have in the past been present at various official events that included women singing, and they did not walk out. As he explains:

הם ידעו לחשב שכר “מצוה” כנגד הפסדה, ושגדול כבוד הבריות שדוחה לא תעשה שבתורה (ברכות דף יט ע”ב), שלא לדבר על העלבת פנים העלולה להגרם, והרי המלבין פני חברו ברבים אין לו חלק לעוה”ב (בבא מציעא דף נט ע”א), יתכן וכשהיו יכולים להשתמט מלהופיע בטקס כזה שידעו מראש שיכלול גם שירת נשים היו נמנעים מלהופיע, אבל היכן שההכרח אלצם להשתתף הרי שמעולם לא נשמע רינון אחריהם על השתתפותם, או על העלבת המעמד ביציאה פומבית.

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Is It Better If Women Don’t Leave The House?

Historian Marc B. Shapiro writes: For some, it is better if the women basically do not go out of the house at all at all. Such a position is held by R. Hayyim Rabbi, a mainstream Sephardic rabbi (who like all significant Sephardic rabbis, also has a website. See here).

…Rabbi’s position about a woman not leaving the house can find support in a variety of traditional texts (not least, the Rambam, Hilkhot Ishut 13:11). What makes it significant is that he offers this advice even today. While it is true that in the Islamic world Jewish women were more accustomed to stay inside than their co-religionists in Europe, we also find European rishonim who see this as something to strive for. See e.g.,, Radak to 2 Samuel 13:2: ודרך הבתולות בישראל להיות צנועות בבית ולא תצאנה החוצה. See also Rashi, Deut. 22:23: פרצה קוראה לגנב הא אלו ישבה בביתה לא אירע לה. For other relevant sources, see R. Mazuz’s comment in R. Raphael Kadir Tzaban, Nefesh Hayah, vol. 2, p. 267.

I was surprised to find that the Moroccan R. Raphael Ankawa, in the twentieth century, ruled that a husband could forbid his wife from leaving the house without his permission. If she didn’t listen, she would lose her ketubah. See Toafot Re’em, no. 3. In a letter of support for Ankawa by R. Shlomo Ibn Danan and R. Mattityahu Serero they go so far as to state that if the woman doesn’t go along with the husband’s command and take an oath binding herself in this matter, the husband can, if he wishes, refuse to divorce her and she will remain an “agunah” her entire life without any financial support from him! He, of course, will be given permission to remarry.

ואם לא ירצה לגרשה תשב עד שתלבין ראשה ונותנין לו רשות לישא אשה אחרת אחר ההתראות הראויות והיא אבדה כתוב’ ואין לה לא מזונות ולא פרנסה ולא שום תנאי מתנאי הכתובה.

(As late as 1965, another Moroccan posek, R. Yedidyah Monsenego, ruled that where the husband had reason to suspect his wife of being unfaithful, he could require her to never leave home without him, even to visit relatives, except when she had to go to work. See Peat ha-Yam, no. 24)

All I can say is that contemporary women should be thankful that the RCA beit din and many of the rabbinic courts in the State of Israel have realized that in modern times men and women must be treated equally in the divorce proceedings, and women can no longer be held prisoner in a dead marriage as was often the case in earlier times…

R. Hayyim Benveniste, Keneset ha-Gedolah, Even ha-Ezer 154, Hagahot Beit Yosef no. 59, in discussing when we can force a husband to give a divorce, writes:

ובעל משפט צדק ח”א סי’ נ”ט כתב דאפי’ רודף אחריה בסכין להכותה אין כופין אותו לגרש ואפי’ לו’ לו שחייב להוציא.

Can anyone imagine a posek, from even the most right-wing community, advocating such a viewpoint? I assume the logic behind this position is that even if the man is running after her with the knife, we don’t assume that he will actually kill her. He must just be doing it to scare her, and that is not enough of a reason to force him to divorce her. And if we are wrong, and he really does kill her? I guess the reply would be that this isn’t anything we could have anticipated even if we saw the knife in his hand, sort of like all those who have let pedophiles run loose in the yeshivot, presumably on the assumption that just because a man abused children in the past, that doesn’t mean that he will continue to do so.

…I can’t tell you how often I have been with people (usually at Shabbat meals) who go on about how backwards the Muslims are, the proof being how they treat their women. This is usually contrasted to Judaism, which puts women on a pedestal. As an example of this “backwardness” people have pointed out that in Saudi Arabia (which is only one Muslim country, mind you), women are not even permitted to drive. I never have the heart to point out that there are hasidic sects, less than an hour away from where we are, that also don’t allow women to drive.

…Just like we can’t attack all of Islam because of what one country does, so too there are hasidic sects that do likewise, and not only is Judaism not attacked for that, but even those sects are not attacked as women haters etc. I happen to think that the entire issue is a red herring. If women choose to live in communities where they are not permitted to drive, then that is their choice, end of story.

…Obviously there are a number of Islamic countries that are our enemies. But I was referring to the women driving issue. Only one Islamic country bans women drivers and therefore you can’t use that as an issue in which to condemn the entire religion

And yes, in America Muslim women drive. They even drive in Iran.

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Fashions For Hasidic Women

I spend a great deal of time, entirely too much time, thinking about women.

Chabad women are usually dressed stylishly. They’re not afraid to wear high heels and clingy clothes and dramatic colors. Other Hasidic women are not as bold, but I have the sense that they’re getting more colorful and fashionable over the past decade (though the colors red and yellow are definitely out).

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