Debating Donald Sterling

Benny posts: 1) The legality of the recording is irrelevant….truly. It doesn’t change the fact.
2) The recording was done legally; I know, I’ve read the Penal Code section.
3) The real issue is the length of the ban. Ron Artest/Jermaine O’neal jumped into the stands and punched fans….during a game. This is unequivocally worse action than being a private racist. It effects the integrity of the game. Laterell Sprewell choked out his coach on the basketball court….also affecting the integrity of the game. Kendrick Perkins was recently arrested for punching a male and a female. Dante Cunningham was arrested for choking his girlfriend, punching her and then rearrested for threatening her in violation of the restraining order.

None received anything close to a lifetime ban. What Sterling did was outrageous and unacceptable, but fairness dictates another result.

Luke: What exactly was outrageous and unacceptable about what Sterling did? He did nothing. He said in a private conversation that he wished his mistress would not post photos of herself with blacks nor bring them with her to games. Those are sentiments that many perhaps most Americans would share in that situation (older man, younger mistress posting sexually provocative photos of herself draped all over studly young powerful black men). When Jay Z, part owner of the New Jersey Nets, wears a black separatist medallion to games, what should be the consequence? Sterling did not conduct his team’s business in a racist way, almost of his players are black, his coach is black, and his GM for 22 years, Elgin Baylor, was an incompetent black. Former Knicks great Larry Johnson called for an all-black basketball league. Is that worth a punishment?

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US Has Given Israel $121 Billion

Story: According to a report just released by the Congressional Research Service, a legislative branch agency of the Library of Congress that prepares policy analysis for Congress, “Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II.” Since its creation, author Jeremy M. Sharp wrote, “[T]he United States has provided Israel $121 billion (noninflation-adjusted dollars) in bilateral assistance.”

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Anti-Semitism Documentary ‘Defamation’

I’m watching this great documentary “Defamation” by Yoav Shamir about the Anti-Defamation League and anti-Semitism.

About 38 minutes in, you see Abraham Foxman, head of the ADL, lecturing the president of Ukraine to not compare the Ukrainian genocide to the Holocaust.

Abe Foxman and the ADL makes my skin crawl. They are leftist ethnic activists akin to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Wikipedia writes:

The film examines whether anti-Semitic has become an all purpose label for anyone who criticizes Israel and the possibility that some Jews’ preoccupation with the past—i.e., the Holocaust—is preventing progress in the here and now.[1] Shamir decided to make this film after a critic of an earlier film accused him of antisemitism.[1]

Filmmaker Yoav Shamir states in the beginning of the film that as an Israeli he has never experienced antisemitism himself and wants to learn more about it since references to antisemitism in countries all over the world are common in the Israeli media.

The film includes interviews with Abraham Foxman, the head of the Anti-Defamation League, John J. Mearsheimer, co-author of New York Times Best Seller The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, Norman Finkelstein, a critic of Israeli government policy, as well as many others. The film also follows a group of Israeli high school students on a class trip to Poland where they tour Auschwitz, as well as a number of other notable Holocaust locations.

The film notes that in 2007, the ADL reported a spike in antisemitism, claiming that there were 1,500 anti-Semitic incidents in the United States, yet when Shamir contacts the ADL they can only list minor incidents such as websites with inflammatory comments, letters from employees denied time off for a Jewish holiday, or people offended by a cop’s use of the word “Jew”. A case presented concerns a group of African American boys, aged between 10 and 12, who pelted a school bus with rocks, breaking two windows.

Shamir also interviews a rabbi who says that the hypervigilance of the ADL inflames relations between Jews and non-Jews in the United States. He also finds that among his interviewees there is more sensitivity to antisemitism among secular Jews than religious ones.

Forty three minutes in, Rabbi Bleich (Chabad) in Kiev says: “For some reason, secular Jews are more worried about anti-semitism than religious Jews. Fighting anti-Semitism is not part of being Jewish for an Orthodox Jew. Part of being Jewish means practicing Judaism. There is no mitzvah in the Torah to fight anti-Semitism. Very often, people who are not practicing find their thing in fighting anti-semitism. So they’ll express their Jewish identity by fighting anti-semitism and helping the community.”

People who have a traditional identity are much more secure in general than those who don’t.

Near the end of the documentary, Norman Finkelstein, the son of Holocaust survivors, gives an ironic Nazi salute and says that Abe Foxman is worse than Hitler because Hitler didn’t do it for the money.

Norman tells the Israeli director: “The best thing for Israel will be if they get rid of these American Jews who are warmongers from Martha’s Vineyard, the Hamptoms, Beverly Hills, Miami. It’s been a disaster for Israel.”

“You’re funny. You come from a society in which everyone calls everyone a Nazi. They called Rabin a Nazi. Ben Gurion called Jabotinksy a Nazi. Jabotinsky called Ben Gurion a Nazi. Begin called Ben Gurion a Nazi. They all said each of them is worse than Hitler. That’s the whole language of your society. That’s also the language I grew up with. Everything in my house, the food, worse than Auschwitz. The clothes, worse than Auschwitz. All of a sudden, you get so pious when I go like that. Your whole society is like that.”

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Who Is Steve Sailer?

Steve wrote in 2002: “I’m Catholic; I’ve always assumed I’m biologically half-Jewish (I’m adopted); and I’m an Anglophile and an admirer of WASP culture. So, I wish everyone well.”

Michael Medved notes:

For most American Jews, the core of their Jewish identity isn’t solidarity with Israel; it’s rejection of Christianity. … Jewish voters don’t embrace candidates based on their support for the state of Israel as much as they passionately oppose candidates based on their identification with Christianity … This political pattern reflects the fact that opposition to Christianity—not love for Judaism, Jews, or Israel—remains the sole unifying element in an increasingly fractious and secularized community.

All tribes have varying degrees of hostility to outsiders. Jews would not have survived as a tiny minority for thousands of years without some hostility towards the goyim.

Joe Sobran wrote in his Newsletter, (“The Buchanan Frenzy,” March 1996):

The full story of [Pat Buchanan’s 1996 presidential] campaign is impossible to tell as long as it’s taboo to discuss Jewish interests as freely as we discuss those of the Christian Right. . . . Not that the Jews are all-powerful, let alone all bad. But they are successful, and therefore powerful enough: and their power is unique in being off-limits to normal criticism even when it’s highly visible. They themselves behave as if their success were a guilty secret, and they panic, and resort to accusations, as soon as the subject is raised. Jewish control of the major media in the media age makes the enforced silence both paradoxical and paralyzing. Survival in public life requires that you know all about it, but never refer to it. A hypocritical etiquette forces us to pretend that the Jews are powerless victims; and if you don’t respect their victimhood, they’ll destroy you. It’s a phenomenal display not of wickedness, really, but of fierce ethnocentrism, a sort of furtive racial superpatriotism.

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Marge Schott’s Sin

Murray Rothbard wrote in 1993:

Poor Marge Schott! This lovably eccentric lady, owner of the Cincinnati Reds, is the latest American to fall victim to the piranhas of Political Correctness, Thought-Police division. One slip, her blood is in the water, and the rest is only a grisly mopping-up operation.

Marge Schott’s sin, so unforgivable as to be beyond redemption, was to use a few Incorrect Words and phrases. The fact that she committed these sins in private, and not even as the public television comments that brought down Al Campanis and Jimmy the Greek Snyder, apparently makes no difference. The Constitution may be held to guarantee the right of privacy in the bedroom, but never for Hate Thoughts. Then you’re finished. Sports commentators, who lead the jackal pack, assert that a huge fine and suspension from baseball, would not be enough; apparently no punishment meted out to Marge would be sufficient. They are backed by such as Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, who has no known connection with baseball, but who chimed in that Marge had “tainted and sullied baseball.”

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The Pope Is The Anti-Christ

This is normative traditional Seventh-Day Adventism, the religion in which I was raised. Not all Adventists believe this, but most of the traditional ones do.

In my experience, I’ve noticed that blacks tend to believe in conspiracy theories at a higher rate than other races and traditional religious types at a higher rate than other types. Any adherent to a tradition is likely to look skeptically at outsiders.

Frank C Girardot posts to FB: “Just finished listening to several sermons from Dr. Eric Walsh, Pasadena’s director of public health.
His condemnation of the Pope as the anti-Christ is outrageous and completely unacceptable from a public official. His comparison of Muhammed to Satan is equally sickening. This man needs to step down. And if he doesn’t, the city of Pasadena needs to seriously examine his fitness for office.”

George Martinet: “Scripture is not politically correct. God tells us who the counterfeit is and he doesn’t care where the chips fall or how unpopular it is.”

Here is his City of Pasadena bio:

Dr. Eric Walsh was born in Hartford, CT. A graduate of Oakwood University, The University of Miami School of Medicine, and Loma Linda University School of Public Health, he is currently the Director/Health Officer for the City of Pasadena Health Department in Pasadena, CA. He has previously served as the Medical Director for the Family Health Division of the Orange County Health Care Agency in Santa Ana, California.

In addition to being on staff at Loma Linda University School of Medicine and at the University of California, Irvine as an adjunct Professor, Dr. Walsh has served under the current and previous White House Administrations on the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS. Dr. Walsh is the immediate past President of the California Academy of Preventive Medicine and has been on committees with the Centers for Disease Control and has a strong track record of serving on boards or in collaboration with many grass roots organizations in Southern California to improve the health of at risk populations. The recipient of many awards, including a Congressional Recognition for his leadership and contribution to the health of children, he was most recently awarded the prestigious 100 Black Men of Orange County Award in Health and Wellness Care.

Dr. Walsh is a sought after speaker on issues related to social justice, social determinants of health, spirituality and health and maternal/child health issues among other topics. He is dedicated to serving the residents through public health practices and policy development that increases the ability for individuals to attain health and wellness.

From the Los Angeles Times:

Walsh, the replacement speaker, seems like an accomplished person. His online bio says he has championed maternal and child health issues, violence prevention and is committed to the “highest level of care for individuals infected with HIV.”
He is also a devout Seventh-day Adventist and a proponent of intelligent design who has said that anyone who teaches the theory of evolution is a “Satanist minister” doing “the devil’s handiwork.”
He has also expressed harsh attitudes toward other religions, particularly Catholicism, and has embraced some downright kooky cultural theories.
Should that have knocked him off the PCC speaker’s dais? Not necessarily.
But it does raise questions about PCC administrators and trustees consider “controversial,” the word Rocha used to describe Black in an email to trustees.
To that end, I think it’s worth taking a look at some of Walsh’s workshops and sermons, which are available online.
In 2010, he told an Adventist youth gathering about how he once met a transgender doctor at a conference on religion and sexuality. He mocked her dream of bringing low-cost sex change operations to minority communities, and, chuckling, said he accidentally called her “shim” (a combination of “she” and “him.”)
A PCC professor who did not want to be identified was upset about Walsh’s 2012 talk with Adventist students, in which he equated the Catholic Church’s veneration of Mary, the mother of Jesus, with pagan idolatry. Statues of the Virgin of Guadalupe, he said, are “a lie of Satan.” Likewise, he said, Buddhists who offer food and flowers at altars, he says, are also engaged in pagan idolatry.
Walsh’s statements about popular culture are way out there on the religious fringe. He singles out the Walt Disney Co. and comic books as particularly bad influences.
“Disney is a dark empire,” Walsh says in the 2012 talk. “We take our children there, but we don’t understand it’s all full of witchcraft, superstition. There’s no praying to God. When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are….So when you wish upon a star what are you really wishing to? Demonic forces.”
“The Lion King,” he says, is a vehicle to teach voodoo.
Batman is a “Luciferian” plot. “The Dark Knight is supposed to be the hero,” says Walsh, “but he really represents Satan.”
But Walsh reserves his greatest scorn for the theory of evolution. “I want you to understand,” he says, “that evolution is a religion created by Satan.”
He is outraged that Pope John Paul II embraced the theory of evolution. “How does the pope bless evolution when he’s supposed to believe in the Bible?” he asks.
“The idea that the Earth evolved over millions of years,” Walsh says, is “a farce. It’s not true. It couldn’t have happened that way….There is no evidence that we evolved. Where are all the half-things in the world? Where are the animals that are still evolving?”

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The Weaponisation Of Homosexuality

Brendan O’Neill writes: There are various reasons for this move from decriminalising homosexuality, which was a very good thing, to the sanctification of homosexuality, which is just weird. But the main one is that over the past two decades, the gay issue has evolved as the perfect way for the new elites to distance themselves from values that have fallen out of their favour. We have seen the weaponisation of homosexuality, the transformation of it by sections of the political and media classes into the focal point for the expression of hostility to the straight world – which means not just people who are sexually straight, but also so-called straight culture and straight values, straightlacedness itself, ways of life that are based on commitment, privacy, familial sovereignty, things that tend to be viewed by the modern cultural clerisy as outdated or, worse, dangerous and destructive. The sacralisation of homosexuality corresponds precisely with the growing denigration by the state and others of the sphere of the family and the ideals of lifelong commitment, because celebrating gayness has become the main and most PC means through which traditional values might be dented and traditional identities called into question, even thrown open to heightened official scrutiny.
This is what explains both the peculiarly speedy and strikingly authoritarian way in which gay marriage has been adopted by governments across the West who otherwise care little for freedom and choice – because officials recognise in it the opportunity to push further their instinctive hostility towards traditional communal and familial ideals that to a large extent exist outside of the purview of the state. Understanding the impulse behind Western officialdom’s feverish adoption of gay marriage is key to understanding what makes this new institution so illiberal and intolerant. Its great driving force is not any commitment to civil rights but rather an urge to coerce, a desire to reshape the views and ideals and habits of the public, to enforce a new morality that elevates individuation over family life, risk-awareness over commitment, and an openness to being guided through life by experts over loyalty to one’s family unit or community.
So when you criticise gay marriage, you’re not just criticising gay marriage, you’re challenging a new moral framework carved out by those who apparently know better than us what our private lives and relationships should and shouldn’t look like. You’re not just an opponent of gay marriage – you’re a moral heretic whose very thoughts and behaviour are seen as deviant, as running counter to a new, apparently better kind of morality. And that, as Eich’s treatment and everything else that preceded it has shown us, simply will not be tolerated.

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Rabbis & Child Abuse

Benny posts on FB: Rabbinical authorities (and I can name many) have been at the forefront of dealing with this issue within the community. For the past 50 years, ideas like mesirah (informing to gentile authorities) and loshon horah (gossip) have prevented victims from coming forward and allowed predators to continue to roam free. Rabbis have failed to punish these predators and/or simply moved them around (akin to the Catholic church). As a result, many more individuals were harmed. I can sit down with you and name 50 rabbis and discuss their cover-ups and misdeeds in this arena.

As a result of their actions and inactions, hundreds of kids were harmed and continue to be harmed. In the past few years, advocates, including myself, have brought this issue to the forefront and created a massive change. As a result, we see the exposure and prosecution of more predators.

While this is going on, the same rabbis are either working behind the scenes to discredit any advocacy group, still encouraging silence and non-governmental reporting, and/or failing to take any actions to rectify the wrong. As a community leader, and THE legal authorities within our system, it is their responsibility to ensure the community is aware of the halachic issues and their attendant responsibilities. Furthermore, it is a rabbis responsibility if a child is harmed due to their action or inaction (please see eglah arufah for guidance on this subject).

Thus, Rabbis do deserve their condemnation generally and the comparison is totally appropriate. I completely am bewildered at your inability to recognize this comparison.

A simple local example. A predator [Mendy Tevel] was arrested and charged with molestation. Not one Chabad rabbi in the community uttered a single word about the issue. All were warned a year in advance about this person, yet not one spoke up. All are aware of the arrests, and not one spoke up. Almost all continue to allow this charged predator with access to their shuls. Yet, when Doheny market was found with non-kosher meat, classes were given, rabbis warned their community, discussions were had. Can you not see what’s going on here?

For many reasons, the criminal justice system cant get involved in many cases. Those cases are still areas where the rabbis have remained silent, while knowing the truth. Moreover, while I thoroughly trust convictions, it doesn’t limit my sense of truth. I can know and believe an allegation regardless of criminal conviction.

In Mendy Tevel’s case, a victim came forward publicly and stated his case, prior to any charges filed. 50 people heard his story. Not one rabbi spoke up.

Meyer Seewald: There is a video of this guy something Ben Borat of him dry humping a child, rabbis saw it yet no one did anything. And I don’t think it right to say if there was a video. It’s 1 out of thousands and thousands that are Caught On video.

If the guy was a no body in the community then they would’ve done something.

Yes, some banned him, but is that truly enough? Doing it privately does not do much.

What do I expect of them? That multiple victims would talk to the rabbis and for them to come out with a strong letter that parents should keep there children away from him and he is a danger etc.

And your last part I am kinda shocked by. Let’s take me and jcw out of the picture. Let’s talk about how rabbis work.

He was not in the court system? Hellooooo we are not allowed to call the police on a fellow Jew. Now all of a sudden we are leaving it up to the courts? Since when is this happening. This is a good excuse now for rabbis to give so they don’t have to be involved.

They first claim you have to go to a rabbi first, then they do nothing about it. Then the person gets arrested they say we will leave it up to the courts. And if the case gets dropped they say you see he was innocent, and if he gets convicted they will say we don’t have to do anythinf because it’s public knowledge or they pay money for pidyan shivoum. Like they did with
Yomtov.

Please tell me what about according to Halacha when witness came forward and wanted to talk they did not want to get involved?

Most rabbis are 2 faced. If Mendel was not related to that family and not have a name out there, then they wouldav done something. The fact is they did nothing and gave me all difference types of excuses that will one day bite them in the butt.

He will have his day in court and god willing justice will be served.

Tevel is accepted in every Chabad shul in the city. The only one where he isn’t is thanks to me and my efforts. Not due to anyone else’s. But the point is made. That rabbi made a decision and did not allow him in.

Luke Ford: “Courage is the rarest virtue. All close-knit communities are conformist by definition and only move on difficult issues when there is widespread agreement otherwise the nail who sticks out must be hammered down.”

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Tribalists Don’t Have The Same Relationship To The Nation-State As WASPs

Chaim Amalek: “Years ago I met an old ABC (American born Chinese) friend from still further back who made it big in some corner of software design. He spoke of all the engineers he had hired. In China. And all he was doing to “help his Motherland prosper.” It took me a while to realize that he was speaking of the People’s Republic of China.”

The New Yorker reports about Chinese spy Greg Chung:

Greg Chung was at home on February 1, 2003, when the space shuttle Columbia fell from the sky. His son Jeffrey called to tell him the news: the ship had broken apart while returning to Earth, and all seven astronauts on board had died. “That’s not a good joke to make,” Chung said. An American citizen who was born in China, Chung lived with his wife, Ling, on a cul-de-sac in Orange, California. Until his retirement, a few months earlier, he had worked on nasa’s space-shuttle program. Among other things, he had helped to design the Columbia’s crew cabin. When he realized that Jeffrey was telling the truth, he hung up the phone and wept.

In 1972, nasa outsourced the design and development of its space shuttles to the Rockwell Corporation, which was later acquired by Boeing. For three decades, Chung was a structural engineer in the stress-analysis group. The work was repetitive, but he was well suited to it. He rarely left his office, even for coffee; instead, he sat at his desk, running computer models that predicted how the fuselage would hold up under various intensities of heat and pressure.

After the Columbia accident, nasa asked Boeing to improve the design of the next shuttle. Chung had been one of the best analysts in his group, and his former supervisor called to hire him back as a subcontractor. Though he was seventy, he was glad to postpone retirement. He returned to his former habits, coming home late for dinner and then working until midnight. He was driven not by the prospect of a promotion or a raise but by the pleasure of the work. “He’d tell me how much money he had saved for Boeing,” Ling told me later. “I always teased him: ‘your Boeing, your Boeing.’ ” . . .

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Racism Is Goyisha Nonsense

I get my worldview from Torah. Torah is not concerned with races and it does not recognize any such sin as “racism” and therefore Torah Jews should never concern themselves about whether or not something or someone is “racist.” “Racism” was a slur invented in the 1930s by leftists, before then it was simply regarded as good sense to prefer your own kind and to view those most different from you with skepticism.

Generally speaking, the most traditional a person, the more likely he is to hold views regarded as “racist.” For example, the more traditional a Jew, Chinaman, Latino, Armenian, etc, the more likely he is to have negative views of black people. The more assimilated a person, the more multi-cultural, the more concerned he is with “racism.” This modern assimilated man has weak ties to his racial, religious and national identity. The stronger a person identifies with his race, his religion and his national identity, the more likely he is to hold views that are “racist.”

Johannes Grenzfurthner: “The Oxford English Dictionary defined “racialism” as “belief in the superiority of a particular race” and gave a 1907 quote as the first recorded use.”

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