Comments to Fred Reed:
* According to UNICEF Ann Coulter is right and you are wrong:
To give just a few examples of the heterosexual age of consent: If you are living in some parts of the United States, or in Egypt, it’s 18; in Northern Ireland, it’s 17; in Namibia, 16; in Sweden, 15; in Canada, 14; in Korea, 13; in Mexico, 12. But 16 is by far the most common age of consent.
* About the age of consent in Mexico, we must remember that law is not just what is on the books. It is a complex interplay of the statutes and practice, such as what is commonly done in the courts in any jurisdiction, the attitudes of police and prosecutors towards different crimes, procedural law, case law, corruption, and so on, and the end result may indeed be that in many cases, men who have relations with girls as young as 12 do not go to prison.
For starters, the FEDERAL age of consent is Mexico is indeed 12:
Given that Mexico is a very promiscuous society and a totally corrupt one, I will not be surprised if a lot of men prey on girls as young as 12 and get away with it. As far as with consent, how can a girl under 18 even consent? The fact that Mexicans allow such a thing like “consent” under 18 (and all a man has to do is claim she consented) shows that they have indeed legalized pedophilia.
As far as your statement that:
“¡Adios America! energetically favors ending immigration to America, a good idea which will not be adopted”
How can you say that it will not be “adopted”? Why? America is the 3rd most populous nation on earth and it should have banned immigration a long time ago. Do you allow immigration in your home? Do you leave your doors and windows open at night and let anybody and everybody come in and have a seat?
No sensible person would allow strangers to invade his home, nor aliens to invade his country. The fact that the politicians are allowing this is proof positive of corruption in our country.
* My Mexican co-worker once said, “Mexican men like their girls young”. This was in response to me telling her that when my ex and I stumbled into an hispanic neighborhood in San Antonio Texas, I saw a few pregnant girls who looked about 12. They were with men 10 and 15 years older. But, they all looked to be happy enough. What do you think those girls would be doing otherwise? Rocket Science?
* Are we to believe that Mexico’s northern wastelands support an equally stringent attitude (or more so) toward free copulation with teenagers than do the mostly Anglo-Germanic Protestant settlements to their north?
* Mexico — Age of Sexual Consent
Mary Jordan Tuesday, July 2, 2002
Rape is prosecuted at the state level, and state laws vary. A review of criminal laws in all 31 states showed that many required that if, for example, a 12-year-old girl accused an adult of statutory rape, she had first to prove she was “chaste and pure.” Nineteen of the states required that statutory rape charges be dropped if the rapist agreed to marry his victim.
Media Blackout: The Age of Sexual Consent in Mexico is Only 12!
An example of this attitude can be found in Mexican national Diego Lopez-Mendez, who pleaded guilty in 2006 to sexually assaulting a 10-year-old West Virginia girl. Through an interpreter, he told the court: “In the pueblo where I grew up girls are usually married by 13 years old” I was unaware of the nature of the offense or that it was a bad crime.
* I lived southern Mexico for awhile, and I knew of 12-13 year old girls who had been married off. I even heard of a guy who *sold* his 11-year old daughter to a slimey American expatriate as a “bride”, although he was already married.
Mind you, these were Mayan Indian peasants, so a bit backwards even by Mexican standards.
Thing you have to bear in mind, in Mexico laws are widely disregarded to a much greater degree than in the US and other developed countries, so what is on the books is often somewhat irrelevant. In a way its a libertarian paradise.
* I read the arrest reports almost everyday here in Manatee County, Florida and whatever the law may say in Mexico the custom and practice of Mexican men here does seem to indicate that having sex with underage girls ( often their girlfriends daughters) is not seen as ‘forbidden’ if we go by the number arrested for the offense. The problem these unreconstructed paedo’s have is that these young Mexican-American girls have been going to American schools and they no longer accept Mexican custom and practice and they will tell either mom or a police detective.
That’s the bad side of Mexican culture. There is a good side to it as well. Americans might learn from Mexico how to have pride in your national heritage even if its accomplishments are small. You do not see Mexican mestizos, whites or Indians trashing their culture. They are pretty comfortable in their skins no matter the color and do not adopt ridiculous made up names to set themselves apart. The language is Spanish and so are the names so far as I can tell.
* I have accidentally stepped in many a parking-lot-diaper-bomb living in Southwest Texas. I have kids, and I changed their diapers in the back of my suv like many, but I always found a way to throw the diapers in the trash- double bagged so people wouldn’t gag on the smell. It must be all those darn Japanese and Canadiens leaving human feces traps around here.
As for the cultural pedophilia, you’re wrong, dude. Long before I ever read an HBD blog, I was well indoctrinated in the public school dogma of “not noticing” and anti-racism. Regardless, my friends and I at ages 11,12, 13, and 14 discussed the constant cat-calling from middle-aged Mexican men. But what really struck us as crazy, is that by the time we were actually looking good at ages 18, 19, the old-man catcalling had completely stopped, and not because we got fat or something. Any white person would say we looked much better, proportional instead of boxy, etc. at age 18. But, like Pedobear, they “do not want.”
* MEXICO CITY, Aug 13 2007 (IPS) – The child pornography and commercial sexual exploitation industry enjoys total impunity in the Mexican capital, according to a report by the Mexico City Human Rights Commission.
The “special report on commercial sexual exploitation of children in the Federal District” confirms that there are at least 20 spots in Mexico City where these illegal activities flourish, under the protection of corrupt elements in the police force.
Although there are no figures on the extent of the phenomenon in the capital, an estimated 16,000 girls and boys are victims of sexual exploitation in this country of 108 million people.
Emilio Álvarez Icaza, head of the local Human Rights Commission, complained about the lack of strategies to clamp down on the problem.
“The state is largely absent in the question of commercial sexual exploitation of children,” Álvarez Icaza recently told the press. “We have compiled all of the reports that we requested, and in essence what we found is that there are no specific programmes or actions at the local level.”
* Teen pregnancy in Mexico is rising, and some of those affected are very young. According to the 2012 national health survey, for every 1,000 women who give birth, 37 are adolescents between the ages of 12 and 19. That’s up from a rate of 30 in 2006.
Eleven thousand births were registered to girls between 12 and 14 in 2011.
What is worrisome about pregnancies at such a young age, particularly when the father is an adult, is that “the only explanation is sexual abuse,” says Juan Martín Pérez García, executive director of REDIM, the Network for the Rights of Children in Mexico.
Mothers who are particularly young face increased risks in pregnancy: Nearly 14 percent of maternal deaths in 2009 were girls aged 12 to 15, according to Save the Children, an international nonprofit that is among those leading the calls for change. Laws governing the age of consent or legal marriage vary widely across the country, from 18 to as young as 12 years old. (Jalisco state only recently raised its age of consent to 15 from 12.)
Complicating abuse cases, it’s often unclear which of numerous local, state, and federal agencies bear responsibility for investigating a crime and ensuring care for an abused child. Crime reporting in Mexico is dismally low, and that holds true for abuse cases. Fears that the government may take a child away also prevent many families from speaking up.
* Fred, your knee jerk reaction to defend Mexico’s “honor”, especially when it comes to foreigners breaking American law, is interesting. The easiest reply to Fred would be to ask, “What’s the Mexican statute as to hanging bodies from bridges, or the decapitation of college students?” – but rhetorical questions rarely make the point.
I think that what has happened here is an argument over the comparison of apples and oranges. Ms Coulter calls all of the illegal immigrants from Mexico, “Mexican”. This makes sense, as I don’t recall any illegal immigration coming from Greenland or Burma. Ms. Coulter doesn’t bother differentiating between Mexican, or Honduran, or El Salvadoran, or any other point(s) south, and it is perfectly acceptable and reasonable that she not do so. If it comes FROM Mexico, it is Mexican. This is a hard concept?
Fred, your defense of Mexican rapists by showing us Mexican rape statutes is really phony (I refuse to use the word “disingenuous”). It would be more accurate to show us the statutes on rape from Honduras, and Guatemala, and El Salvador, and Columbia, etc. And not the statutes that protect rich white women either, but the statutes that cover the class of people that are moving north, i.e. the Peons. In the jungles of Central America, when you reach the level of destitution that the Central American working class enjoys, the only penalty that matters is a big brother or father or uncle with a 12 gauge. Can you imagine the joy that must come over the sexual animals from the south as they reach the US and find that American women are totally unprotected – especially the younger ones. I imagine it must be like an 8 year-old walking into a Candy Store with a brand new 5$ bill. Wow, and after you have raped a woman (even to death) the police will protect YOU! Now, how can you beat that?
* Reed is still being deliberately obtuse, i.e., lying. And after doubling down on his mis-statements the way he has, lying is the only appropriate term.
Using legal terms from Anglo-American law that her readers could easily interpret, Ann Coulter asserted that in Mexico it is legal under certain circumstances for a male to have sexual intercourse with a thirteen year old girl; a situation that most of us north of the border find repugnant. All the sources that I’ve been able to find confirm Coulter’s assertion.
Our frail Reed responds with a high school debating trick; citing Mexican law regarding rape, which is totally irrelevant to what Coulter wrote and misleading in the extreme. Now our frail Reed doubles down, citing more Mexican rape law and going so far as to cite undocumented conversations with unnamed “friends” in support of his now obviously false and absurd position. This is a pathetic display of hebephrenic ineptitude.
* Earth to Fred–it may be different where you live, but Mexico and Central America have massive amounts of sex with tweens, and pregnancies too. And when they come to the US, old habits don’t die rapidly. BTW, 80% of girls/women crossing the southern border illegally have been raped.
Luckily, white liberals in places like Chicago (where I lived and practiced law for many years) are only too happy to ignore or at best hand out suspended sentences for such offenses, assuming that the defendant hasn’t jumped bail and headed back to Mexico or the southwest….
* Laws or no laws, the problem is Mexicans are not a very law-conscious people.
Laws are only as good as the people who follow them.
So, Mexican laws can state age of consent at 21.
There are too many practiced cases where it is 12.
Similarly in black areas and even ‘white trash’ areas in the US, laws don’t go very far.
The only real law in Baltimore and Detroit is that of the jungle.
In contrast, the laws of another society may be lax but there could be a lot of social discipline because people are mindful and conscientious.
* Once a female has entered menarche it’s not pedophilia. Gross? Yeah, but not pedophilia.
I remember waiting for a bus in grad school (mebbe 26) and looking up the street, seeing a very hot woman a few hundred feet away. As she got closer something seemed wrong, as she was surrounded by a handful of gangly junior high boys. Up close she was obviously fourteen, yet, still all woman, and I have no shame in finding her intensely attractive.
Oh, yeah, she was also wearing daisy dukes and a t-shirt reading “future porn star”.
* 15 year-old Latino rapes and murders 8 year-old white girl
The source said the boy lured Madyson to his third-floor apartment at the Tannery Arts Center at 1050 River St. on Sunday afternoon with promises of ice cream, then subdued her from behind, sexually assaulted her and strangled her before dumping her body in a recycling bin in a first-floor garage of the complex.
* This is anecdotal but my sister spent six months volunteering at an orphanage in Mexico. She said that every one of the kids had been molested and the level was so severe that they couldn’t leave the 12 year olds alone with the 5 year olds for even a minute because they would start molesting them as soon as you left the room.
* Whatever the situation in Mexico, mass immigration of low-skilled males leads to large quantities of sexual violence against children because of the skewed gender ratio both directly and through the increased demand for cheap prostitution leading to gangs supplying that demand.
Supplying the demand for cheap prostitution caused by mass immigration is and was the biggest driver behind the UK’s Pakistani grooming gangs and it is the same *everywhere*. The media just lie about it.
The only big difference from place to place is some ethnic groups get the girls from back home while some prey on girls from the native population.
(The men are low paid relative to the local average income and are often sending some of it home as well which is why the prostitutes need to be too cheap to be voluntary – hence why the gangs who supply the demand use slaves and children. If they were all oil workers on 100 grand a year there’d be enough volunteers to supply the demand.)
* I’m a lawyer, fluent in Spanish, who’s lived in Mexico for more than 12 years. I’ve also taught a course in Legal English down here.
Fred is citing Mexican state rape statutes. The readers are properly citing the statutory rape statutes.
When the young woman and the family consents, it’s legal for any aged man to have sex with a Mexican girl over twelve years of age.
This is so well known, I really think any gringo male asking this question in Mexico would be greeted with smirks.
As many commentators have noted, however, it doesn’t end there…. Sex, and marriage, well below this age is common in many areas.
* I didn’t think the pedophilia stuff was even the most controversial part of Coulter’s book. She had some real salacious passages on the popularity of donkey shows and donkey sex in general down there. She goes into pretty graphic detail describing the shows and writes about how donkey shows are a national pastime and a rite of passage of sorts in Mexico.
* If it’s a contest between Ann Coulter’s credibility or Fred Reed’s – are you kidding me? It’s no contest.
Ann wins hands down.
Her book “Adios America!” is well-researched, contains copious notes, and is actually well-reasoned.
Fred? By his own admission, he took a few minutes to Google, and shot from the hip. This is Fred’s style and actually part of his appeal on many topics – in an earlier era, he would have been the entertaining big-mouth in the general store spouting off on issues of the day.
Ann’s style is caustic and, if you are on the same wavelength, humorous. Her language is deliberately inflammatory. From her throw away one-liners, critics initially assume she must not be serious, and therefore can’t have spent a lot of time researching.
But the facts? She actually marshals them well. Watch interviews with Ann defending her book. She responds well to attacks on her reasoning; her critics end up disparaging her motives for daring to bring up the facts, i.e. only a racist would focus on such things. From previous books, Ann knows her critics lie in wait to call her out on any picayune factoid not properly footnoted. She is way over Fred’s level, as well as most of her critics, on this score.
She doesn’t pretend to play fair. She is like a good lawyer presenting her side of the case. In that way, she’s like Fred. But in this case, she’s the better lawyer.
For a taste of her style on covering immigration issues, take a look at her recent column.
I think she does a good job of summing up GOP connivance on illegal immigration. The targets of her wrath certainly won’t be happy, but what do you expect?
