* I also wouldn’t be too surprised if the genes controlling IQ also had some unrelated effects on facial structure (we read about people having an ‘intelligent face’ in old Victorian books all the time, and they say one of the things that let our brains grow bigger was having an underdeveloped jaw), but this is probably not a line of inquiry anyone is going to pursue soon.
* Underclass white guys often have a certain look to them. Hard to describe the look, but I know it when I see it. Seabourn has the look for sure.
Here’s another guy with that look.
I think assortive breeding often results in different classes assuming certain looks.
* Likely a combination of factors. Scrunched up face (testosterone), dull look in the eyes (low IQ), general facial characteristics (mild foetal alcohol syndrome). They never had a chance.
* I wouldn’t necessarily say he looks high testosterone. More that he looks violent and thuggish. In comparison, lots of fire fighters have high testosterone and tough faces, but they don’t exhibit that thuggish look.
I’ve seen a lot of underclass white guys who looked like Seabourn. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some underclass white Anglo ethnic group from which much of the American white underclass springs from. Men with Seabourn’s face are scarce in places like Seattle and San Francisco, but all over the place in places like Cincinnati and Cleveland.
Interesting observation about genes have an affect on appearance.
I know that we human beings have evolved the ability to look at people and detect their personalities and intentions. I suppose we might have a sophisticated enough radar that we can look at guys like Seabourn and tell that we need to be afraid of them.
A guy like this (link) exhibits toughness and lots of testosterone, but there’s something honest and trustworthy about his face.
* I’m a bit shocked that Steve hasn’t addressed the latest kerfuffle that is the continued dominance of Indian-Americans at the National Spelling Bee. In large part, this dominance reflects the fact that most Americans, including the intelligent ones, couldn’t give two shits about spelling bees – certainly not to the extent to bother spending hundreds if not thousands of hours in pursuit of victory. But Time had an interesting article on the phenomenon with this little gem: “Part of why you’re seeing their success on the rise is they’re in constant preparation mode for these various academic competitions. And there are several competitions that are exclusively for children of South Asian parentage.”
Got that? So a handful of Americans are nasty racists for insinuating on Twitter and elsewhere that Indian spelling bee winners aren’t fully American. Meanwhile the targets of their racism are prepping their kids in competitions in which non-Indians aren’t allowed – in a totally non-racist manner, of course.
* The idea of taking down everyone in the gang at once has an analogue in the military’s ideas about network warfare. The idea is to “pulse” the network and wipe out some critical percentage of it in one fell swoop. This makes it more difficult for the target social network to repair itself and to conduct the operations it once did.
* Wasn’t the original purpose of the RICO statute to provide police with the means of dismantling organized crime gangs populated by ethnic immigrants? As its name not-accidentally suggests?
* Rico was the name of Edward G. Robinson’s Al Capone-like character in pioneering gangster movie talkie “Little Caesar” in 1931.
* In most places white street gangs are defunct and no longer exist. Biker gangs and various mafias are the exception but they generally are older and stay out of sight, the Texas brouhaha notwithstanding. The homicide rates of the cities are mostly due to the black-brown gangbangers that live there. Chicago has been estimated to have between 50,000-100,000 gang members depending on which expert you listen to. Any mass roundup of gangbangers would be a sweep of younger black-brown males and would unmistakably be of a racial nature. A third to half of Chicago’s black males under 40 might have to be carted off. Estimates are that there’s 1.5-2 million nationwide. Locking up a few hundred here and there just scratches the surface. A gulag system might have to be created to receive that many black-brown prisoners along with the occasional white. A lot of children are initiated into the gang life by their parents and are 3rd-4th generation members so those are the replacement seedlings.
* There is definitely a look associated with lower class (poor and low-prole) whites. Something about squinty eyes, maybe? Also, a round face on a Caucasian man, especially when combined with squinty eyes, makes him look both stupid and thuggish. In contrast a long face tends to be perceived not only as more handsome, but also as more intelligent and higher class. A man with squinty eyes, a roundish face and rabbitty features who is not stupid is more likely to be called cunning than clever.
Perhaps this is purely an American phenomenon. English people tend to have rather long faces (“horse-faced” is a common epithet to describe toffs); perhaps this association between the original settlers – from whom the old American upper class was largely drawn – and a certain look translated into “long face = handsome, clever and classy”.
Meanwhile, Slavs tend to the have the squashed-looking face thing and squinty eyes (presumably a heritage from ancestors from the Steppes), particularly Russians. I don’t know if the look is associated with stupidity and lower social status in Eastern Europe, though.
As for “rabbitty features” – I don’t mean to attack anyone’s ethnic pride, but I think they’re associated with the Scots-Irish. This may be a purely southern thing, with the historic prejudice of coastal whites (mostly English stock) against the upland people they considered hillbillies being the cause.
* If you are a WASP who likes the criminal life, there are really are no gangs out there for people of your ethnicity. This is not a problem though for White guys who have a Russian surname, or an Albanian surname, or an Armenian surname, or an Italian surname and like the criminal life as there are gangs out there that cater specifically to those ethnic groups.
* Higher IQ requires longer childhood to develop. Lower IQ matures faster, probably leading to greater gender dimorphism in fast-developers than slow-developers.
Smart people and dumb people are genetically distinct.
* I get the impression that the Progressive Left believes the reason why Black areas are dangerous is not because Blacks are committing crimes, it is because the houses and buildings are coming to life like Transformers in these neighborhoods and committing crimes. They believe that if you drop off 25 thousand Compton Blacks into Burbank through Section 8 housing, you will see a zero increase in property and violent crime in Burbank. That is why you see Left Wing comments like Blacks are racially segregated into dangerous neighborhoods. As if you drop off the urban inner city Black underclass into affluent White areas, all of a sudden these Blacks are going to start behaving like Singaporeans and become a Model Minority Nonwhite group who commit very little crime.
* Has there ever been a notoriously famous WASP gangster in American history? All of the notoriously famous White gangsters in American history seem to be either Jewish or Catholic. Bugsy Siegel, Lucky Luciano, Al Capone, Mickey Cohen, Henry Hill, Billy The Kid, Sam Giancana, Whitey Bulger, John Gotti, Meyer Lansky, Joey Aiuppa, Richard Kuklinski, Tony Spilotro, etc none of them were of Anglo Saxon Protestant stock.
You have notoriously famous WASP serial killers, but not gangsters. I wonder if organized crime never caught on in WASP culture because WASP culture is too individualistic and organized crime is a group effort where there is no room for individualism.
* Forehead to hairline is about an inch and a half. Like a thug I knew in high school who was also stupid and thuggish. Low cranial volume would suggest low IQ.
Squinty eyes may be an advantage for those whose nature is such that it helps them that their intentions (where their eyes look) are masked. But by virtue of this nature, like those who keep their hands hidden, those with beady eyes become those who others are naturally suspicious of.
* Unless you count the KKK as a WASP organized crime group. But I would not put David Duke in the same category as a John Gotti. Nobody joins the KKK because they think they are going to make a shit load of money. The KKK is not a organized crime group in the traditional sense of the word.
Organized crime is driven by greed/profit/capitalism, the KKK is driven by racial ideology. You do not see any KKK members living a rich playboy lifestyle driving a Mercedes Benz and living in a McMansion. KKK members usually do not have a pot to piss in because they are so damn broke. KKK members usually just as equally underclass as urban inner city Blacks.
* For anyone interested in physiognomy, here are pics of Goldman Sachs people to compare with Modesto criminals.
Jesse Sebourn
* The Scots-Irish have their share of leaders and patriots. They also provide the white American population with much needed backbone. I’m glad we have them in this country, but that doesn’t mean that there’s anything wrong with speculating if some white ethnic groups produce more underclass individuals than others.
The Scandanavians of Minnesota are the best behaved whites in America, but I bet most posters here would prefer more hard edged Scots-Irish types and fewer Minnesota “nice” types.
* The issue with Modesto is not that it has a lot of Hispanics, but that the poverty rate is relatively high for both whites and Hispanics. High poverty rates imply large concentrations of underclass residents, who tend to cause a lot of crime . If you look at high-poverty cities with mostly white populations, crime is an issue too.
In San Jose, Hispanics are fairly law abiding because it’s an expensive city that prices out much of the underclass. San Jose Hispanics tend to have a relatively lower poverty rate. The same is true in San Francisco.
The key to low crime rates is to have expensive housing, few rental properties, and limited subsidized housing. That prices out the underclass of all races.
