Goldberg: Horowitz Accusing Kristol of Not Being Fanatically Pro-Semitic Enough Proves That the Anti-Semitic Cossacks Are Ready to Ride

Steve Sailer writes:

From Slate, a representative response to another thing that was the Biggest Story in the History of the World for about six hours earlier this week:

Breitbart Calls Trump Foe “Renegade Jew.” This Is How Anti-Semitism Goes Mainstream.

By Michelle Goldberg

MAY 16 2016 11:22 AM

In March, several staffers at the right-wing website Breitbart resigned over the site’s treatment of reporter Michelle Fields, who had accused Donald Trump’s campaign manager Corey Lewandowski of assault. The site, they felt, had become Trump’s Pravda. “I believe Breitbart News is becoming less of a news site and more of a propaganda organization dedicated to the Trump campaign,” associate editor Jarrett Stepman said in a statement. Even before the Fields incident, Breitbart was so in the tank for Trump that, according to Buzzfeed, many who worked there believed its leadership had been paid off.

That’s why Sunday night’s Breitbart headline calling Bill Kristol, a leading voice in the #NeverTrump movement, a “Republican Spoiler, Renegade Jew,” feels significant. No other news site has been so closely associated with the Trump campaign. And the Trump campaign has been associated with white nationalism and a resurgence of raw, violently threatening anti-Semitism. Breitbart’s headline suggests that the Jew baiting popular on pro-Trump social media feeds is creeping toward the mainstream.

So … who exactly wrote this horribly anti-Semitic article and headline?

And yes, I realize that a Jew, David Horowitz, Black Panther groupie turned pro-white race hustler, wrote the piece. In it, the famously conspiracy-minded Horowitz rails against Kristol and “a small but well-heeled group of Washington insiders” who are hoping to arrange a conservative third-party candidacy. A paragraph seemingly tacked on at the end accuses Kristol of putting world Jewry in danger by potentially splitting the Republican vote and empowering Democrats who are soft on radical Islam. It’s enough, perhaps, to give Breitbart plausible deniability; the site can claim it’s calling out Kristol on behalf of Jews, rather than calling him out as a Jew.

Uh, I know David Horowitz (to the extent of sitting in a dozen or so conferences with him). Horowitz is intense. He reminds me of Norman Podhoretz.

Here are the last two paragraphs of Horowitz’s article denouncing Kristol, and they’re a good representative of his thought and personality:

All these dishonesties and flim-flam excuses pale by comparison with the consequences Kristol and his “Never Trump” cohorts are willing to risk by splitting the Republican vote. Obama has provided America’s mortal enemy, Iran, with a path to nuclear weapons, $150 billion dollars, and the freedom to develop intercontinental ballistic missiles to deliver the lethal payloads. Trump has promised to abandon the Iran deal, while Hillary Clinton and all but a handful of Democrats have supported this treachery from start to finish. Kristol is now one of their allies.

I am a Jew who has never been to Israel and has never been a Zionist in the sense of believing that Jews can rid themselves of Jew hatred by having their own nation state. But half of world Jewry now lives in Israel, and the enemies whom Obama and Hillary have empowered — Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, ISIS, and Hamas — have openly sworn to exterminate the Jews. I am also an American (and an American first), whose country is threatened with destruction by the same enemies. To weaken the only party that stands between the Jews and their annihilation, and between America and the forces intent on destroying her, is a political miscalculation so great and a betrayal so profound as to not be easily forgiven.

In other words, Horowitz thinks Trump is good for the Jews, so he’s mad at Kristol for being anti-Trump. Kristol probably feels the opposite. It’s a reasonable thing for two ethnocentrists like Horowitz and Kristol to argue over. And they like arguing. They’re good at it. It’s what they do.

Goldberg, meanwhile, is playing a role that traditionally has been well-rewarded in the Jewish community: the third party who comes up with a rationalization for why a typical fight like this among Jews is really the fault of the gentiles.

Your Russian Jewish great-grandfather got blackballed from joining a German Jewish country club? It was the fault of the WASP country clubs.

Jewish patriarchs invested more in the education of their sons than their daughters and their smart daughters are resentful? Society is to blame. Etc.

This is a pretty smart ethnic solidarity-building practice, but you shouldn’t have to take it seriously.

COMMENTS:

* I guess if anyone was going to write this, it would be Horowitz. Most Jews are intense, media Jews are intense, and Dave is intense.

I support protecting the Jews from these threats, in return for diaspora Jews protecting autochthonous European populations (particularly western Europeans and old stock in the Anglosphere, who are most in need) from globalism, multiculturalism, and open borders, and Israeli Jews leaning hard on diaspora Jewry to make sure they keep their side of the bargain.

Otherwise, I think we should let Israel sink or swim on her own.

* Goldberg is not entirely wrong about this. Sites like Breitbart and mainstream gentile journalists in general often avoid putting out critical pieces like this on Jewish figures unless they can have a Jewish writer do it.

* The alt-right has been pointing out that Jews are clearly dominant in neocon circles, but also dominant in American and European open-borders and pro-multiculturalism circles. Put this together and to some people it looks like a conspiracy. Jews haven’t been paying attention to the critiques of people like Kevin MacDonald and so what is an actuality a sustained critique looks like a sudden explosion of irrational anti-Semitism associated with Trump. Thus paving the way for the total freakouts of Shapiro, Kristol, Goldberg, J. Rubin, and on and on. Oh, and did I mention every single major article written on the alt-right was by a Jew or half-Jew?

But this is silly. Trump’s daughter and son-in-law are Orthodox Jews. There are Jews associated with the Trump campaign.

Jews (I’m one) need some quiet reflection on these accusations and calm dialogue with the intelligentsia of the alt-right (not the twitter trolls, the actual thinkers). There is a way out of this impasse and actually it goes through Trump.

* A Jewish guy with a reputation for hyperbole calls another Jewish guy who most people already despise a “renegade Jew” and that’s supposed to indicate “raw, violently threatening anti-Semitism.” Well, that’s the dumbest thing I’ve read today.

* It reminds me an epigram written by an author, unknown to me:

Провожая на вокзал,
Маршак Чуковского лобзал.
А покинувши вокзал,
“Какая сволочь!” — он сказал.

The epigram deals with two really remarkable Soviet poets and writers of children books, Samuil Marshak (1887-1964) and Korney Chukovsky (1882-1969).
Attempt of translation from Russian:

Brought Chukovsky to train station,
Marshak kissed him with adoration.
Afterwards Marshak left the station,
“What an SOB !” was exclamation.

The comic element, somewhat related to the pair Horovitz / Kristol,
was that those two truly remarkable Russian poets ethnically (genetically) both were Jews: Marshak 100%, Chukovsky 50%.

* I read that article and wondered if Breitbart had become a full member of the alt-right. Then I read the original article and rolled my eyes. I don’t know whether I found Horowitz’s ‘everyone who disagrees with me is an anti-Semite’ or Goldberg’s ‘Trump is secretly a Nazi’ shtick more annoying.

The bad news is, Adelson bought Trump (and now he’s in Adelson’s pocket). The good news is, Adelson bought Trump (and now, he may actually have a shot).

* I’ll always be willing to cut David Horowitz some slack. His book “Radical Son” was one of the best written, most interesting, and, perhaps, one of the most important political memoirs of the 20th century. And it was instrumental in turning me into a conservative and a Republican (in that order). I may not always agree with him – I don’t – but I’m always willing to listen to what he has to say. He’s a mensch.

Kristol, on the other hand,………………..well………………he wrote some nice stuff for Dan Quayle to say.

* Yeah, given Trump’s many familial and business connections to Jews, it is ridiculous to think that he is some kind of 1488 messiah. He is, perhaps (I hope), a patriotic American who has some affinity for the actual people who make up this country – a citizenist, as Steve would say.

* I wonder if Trump will cause a civil war amongst the neocons. On one hand, you have the Kristol-Kagan-Boot-Podhortez (Jr.) faction which wants a socially liberal (especially on immigration) candidate with extreme hawkish views. One the other hand, you have more pragmatic neocons, like David Horowitz, who don’t mind cracking down on illegal immigration and minority crime, as long as they get an pro Zionist foreign policy. Horowitz, like Podhoretz Sr., has had interesting things to say about domestic issues, unfortunately he writes a lot of nonsense about foreign policy (I.e. ” Islamofascism”).

* I attended a small conference hosted by Michelle Goldberg a few years back in New York. I was in the audience and raised a rather innocuous, but historically accurate point that undermined the entire discussion. Goldberg was completely flustered by the discussion and honestly I thought she was at the point of tears. Such that upon leaving, I politely informed her that it was merely a policy debate and that my (factually and objectively truthful) statement was not meant to be a personal offense.

* The 1488ers were there all along but most of us never paid any attention to them since they were tucked away at Stormfront and similar places. Then, suddenly there are people posting amusing 4chan/pol memes on Twitter, and then we’re following them, and the 1488ers are also following them, and CONTACT occurs.

It’s amazing the number of anti-Semites I’ve talked to on social media in the last few months after living my entire life hardly talking to ANY. When you first become aware of them it’s a bit unnerving and they’re blossoming on newer websites and hitting lots of forums so becoming more and more public.

I think they’re doing Trump a huge disservice since their main effect will be to scare off potential voters. But since they’re so enthusiastic (and often creative) the Alt-Right cognoscenti aren’t about to purge them. So now we have this interesting situation where real anti-Semites and Trump-supporting Jews are working together. Strange times.

* LF: The success of Donald Trump has encouraged more whites to pursue their interests. Most whites still don’t realize that they have group interests that are often in opposition to those of other groups such as Jews, blacks, Muslims, asians, etc.

Those whites who already feel on the fringe of society will be more likely to go whole hog for white interests (the 1488 crowd and those who have infiltrated it and want to stir up trouble).

There are no permanent allies or enemies in the world. Just conflicting interests. The Nazis had a pro-Zionist strand 1933-1938.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flat_(2011_film)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_von_Mildenstein

“In the summer of 1935, then holding the rank of SS-Untersturmführer, Mildenstein attended the 19th Congress of the Zionist Organization in Lucerne, Switzerland, as an observer attached to the German Jewish delegation.[12] Mildenstein’s apparently pro-Zionist line was overtaken by events, and after a dispute with Reinhard Heydrich in 1936 he was removed from his post and transferred to the Foreign Ministry’s press department. He had fallen out of favour because migration to Palestine was not proceeding at a fast enough rate.”

As an Orthodox Jew, I sure hope a compromise with whites is possible.

Thinkers far beyond myself are not sanguine. F. Roger Devlin said: “I have read Dr. MacDonald’s trilogy from beginning to end twice, parts of it more often. I think the interpretation of “cultures” as group evolutionary strategies will prove a crucial insight. Viewed sub specie aeternitatis, Dr. MacDonald’s interpretation of Jewish-Gentile conflict has a tragic quality to it: Conflict is not due to any misunderstanding which might be corrected, but to the intrinsic nature of the two peoples. Of course, in politics we do not have the luxury of viewing conflict sub specie aeternitatis, and we must do what is best for our own people. This has nothing to do with harboring negative feelings toward Jews or anyone else, but only with perceiving our ethnopolitical situation accurately in order to act upon it rationally. I work with dissident Jews who are willing to work with me, but I do not foresee any time when the perceived self-interest of organized Jewry coincides with White self-interest.”

* What about Brazil? The Arab interim president and his lamented, all-white cabinet just nominated a Jew to run the central bank.

* LF: Running central banks is just one of those jobs that goyim are not suited for. On the other hand, you don’t see a lot of Jews playing on the Lakers.

I don’t know why God chose to give different people different gifts. Most Ashkenazi Jews, for instance, have been white collar workers since the 15th Century.

* It’s almost as if some people resent being held, in perpetuity, in suspicion of being in sympathy with a seventy-year-old historical crime committed by one group of foreigners against another group of foreigners

Get a load of the nerve of such people – unwilling to assume the role of latent villains in some other group’s historical narrative.

* Speaking of Big Jew embrace of Trump, the number $100 million has been mentioned as what Sheldon will donate to Trump this cycle. There will be huge opportunities for Trump supporters to get full time paid work supporting him. If you are interested, just start volunteering now and ask the campaign later.

Horowitz is exactly right, Kristol should get in line right now. He does not need to go nuts supporting Trump, but actively working against the presumptive nominee the May before the election, and encouraging Mitt to run third party, that is completely unacceptable.

* 100% of the reaction here [to David Horowitz’s essay] is due to the word “Jew” in the title; I would be surprised if Michelle Goldberg ever heard of Kevin MacDonald.

With blacks, the “n-word” has become taboo. With Jews, the word “Jew” itself has become taboo (“Jewish person” is still acceptable). That’s the taboo here, not the qualifier “renegade”.

That’s it. Occam’s razor.

* LF: If the goyim start noticing, oy gevalt, nothing good will happen for the Yidden. Best that there is no socially acceptable noticing of groups. That way Jews will be safe. Don’t even let them say “Jew.” Make them nervous so they say “Jewish people.” How about that Kim Kardashian?

* It’s ALMOST as if there was some event in the history of the Jewish people that has led many to be leery of bigoted right wing populists.

Right wing populists such as Oliver Cromwell, who allowed Jewish people to return to England?

Am I the only iStevenik who sometimes listens to Mark Levin’s radio show? Levin has taken to dismissively calling the Trump phenomenon “Populist Nationalist Agrarianism.”

“Agrarianism” = anti-Goy sneer word… Otherwise, I can’t think of anything agrarian about D. Trump.

* LF: In 1985, when I was 19 and still a goy, I started reading The New Republic. I had never knowingly met a Jew. I saw a cover story about “The idiocy of rural life” and I couldn’t understand this hostility. Now I understand that Jews fear Middle America and populism because Jews have rarely been popular. We’ve survived by cutting deals with elites. Better yet, we become the elites and control the Overton Window.

* Considering the conspicuous lack of non-marginalized bigoted right wing populists in the UK, US and Canada over the last sixty years, while Jews in these countries have prospered more than anywhere in the history of the diaspora, you might want to rethink your question.

Unless you were asking about Israel, in which case, it’s perfectly natural to be a right-wing populist in your homeland, especially when it’s under some sort of existential threat.

* Steve and commenters examples of jewish “anti-gentilism” seem to use the same few examples again and again. Phillip Roth this, country-club that.

In fact the reality is an extremely strong and mutual affection between white christian Americans and white jewish Americans, so strong there is an increasing loss of a sense of separate identity.

Across large parts of the Northeast, California, and Florida, individuals who are 25% or more ethnically Jewish make up 20% or more of the white population. And in an even larger area elsewhere in those states and around the Great Lakes and urban Northwest, the figure is in the high single digits.

Aside from this mass romantic love, there is, far outweighing Phillip Roth, one masterpiece after another celebrating white America from Jewish Americans. From just Spielberg: The ET, Back to the Future, Saving Private Ryan, Empire of the Sun. And on TV, there was never a more positive and well-made depiction of poor midwestern whites than Rosanne.

* Who chooses the title on Breitbart, the editor or the author?

[The title might be interpreted to mean Kristol is a traitor to America due to his being a Jew or (the actual meaning) that Kristol is a trait to the Jews. Was the ambiguity intentional or inadvertant?]

* Horowitz said he wrote the title.

* No “plausible deniability” needed. Breibart, or rather Horowitz, IS calling out a Jew on behalf of Jewry. I can’t believe Goldberg doesn’t know this. Nor can I believe she thinks Breitbart is a hive of crypto-anti-semites taking advantage of inter-Jew squabbles to push anti-semitism into the mainstream.

No, this is simply stupid, old political correctness. The phrase “renegade Jew” gives aid and comfort to the enemy, and therefore must be quashed. Jews aren’t at ease with the perfectly acceptable term “Jew,” and can’t even use it among themselves like the blacks use “n*****.” They’re deathly afraid of it, for some reason.

That reason is not that the Trump phenomenon will bring back gas chambers, or even broken glass. They’re not that paranoid (or are they?). The reason is stupid, old PC, again. They must remain in power. How can they, when one of their own on a right-wing-y (and for some reason that’s the only wing they’re afraid of) website talks like one of the enemy, at least for two words? Two words is too many!

* You think Horowitz’s writing about islamofascism, really Islamic expansion and soft conquest of the West, is nonsense? Both the cities and countryside of Europe are being filled by sullen low-IQ barbarians. It is a bigger threat than communism. Prague is still quite nice after 45 years of communism. European cities taken over by Muslim majorities, it is almost too tragic to contemplate.

* The problem with this is that there are no Elders of Zion that you can make a deal with. As you can see from the above contretemps, the old maxim is two Jews, three opinions. The liberal Jews who form part of the Western Coalition of the Fringes hate Netanyahu with a passion and would not take orders from him to save their lives. In fact, Jews (especially religious Jews) in the West are more threatened by the Islamic invasion than anyone else, but this doesn’t bother liberals, whether Jewish or not.

The idea that “the Jews” are some kind of unitary body that can take coordinated action is a staple of anti-Semitic thought. The corollary to this is that since the Jews are capable of taking collective action, it is appropriate to impose on individual Jews collective guilt for the actions of their group. Thus the religious Jewish cobbler is responsible and must be made to pay for the actions of the leather jacketed Jewish Chekist. Or in your version, religious Israeli Jews must be held hostage to the actions of secular American Jews.

I understand that since most American Jews fall on the liberal side of the spectrum, they are not natural friends for alt-right types. Also that, having been excluded from mainstream respectability even on the right (see Derbyshire and his defenestration by the National Review ) the alt-right is the last remaining refuge of not just anti-Semites (and there are some of those too) but also of people who believe that it is un-American to impose speech taboos so that you can’t even have a discussion about certain topics (including those that start with the letter J or N or M). The left is great at completely shutting down discussion – it’s a great way to win a debate if the other side can’t even open their mouth.

That being said, the alt-right (which doesn’t really exist any more than “the Jews” exist) is going to have to shed some of its more rabidly anti-Semitic and other lunatic fringes if it hopes to hold power and not just snipe at society from the sidelines. It’s really a non-starter to reject the idea of popular suffrage and return to the days when we were ruled by royalty or by property owning white Christian men – those days are not coming back except in fantasy.

* LF: Organized Jewry is remarkably united and organized around certain things such as increasing non-white immigration into the west, and increasing the rights of the fringe against the core.

There are no big Jewish groups opposed to immigration amnesty. There are no big Jewish groups fighting against more rights for gays and the transgendered (the Orthodox don’t generally favor trannies etc, but they are not fighting the expansion of such rights).

* Funny how things have worked out so well for the notoriously uncoordinated Jews. The world’s only white ethno-state in the Levant, an overwhelmingly pro-Jewish status quo everywhere Jews care to live, and a population always willing to take its own side in a fight. It’s just great luck that the media fell into their hands, and not, say, the oil business (great money there, but not much influence over public opinion).

* The reasons for distrusting/disliking/hating this or that minority will differ by time and place. So I’m not excluding the economics argument always and everywhere. However…

Indian Americans actually have higher median incomes then jewish americans, and Asian Americans are competitive with Jewish Americans and certainly higher then white Americans.

What makes the Jews so successful at being hated (in the contemporary setting) is their cultural and political influence, with economic influence being a third consideration (relegated mostly to the always hated banking sector).

It’s the fact that, just as one example, signaling allegiance to Israel is standard operating procedure for the republican party, while signaling allegiance to American Citizens is a species of hitlerism. It’s the reason why Coulter, formerly an ardent supporter of Israel, had to ask during a republican debate just how many jews the republicans thought there there were in the United States that such pandering was justified.

For the Nazis it was bolshevism and internationalism. For the contemporary right it’s internationalism plus a species of Zionism that doesn’t give the US Government enough foreign policy leeway to look after it’s own citizens.

* So a group that doesn’t exist is going to have to shed its antipathy towards another group that doesn’t exist to get the respectability to get elected? You’ve been reading too many articles about the so-called alt-right written by scared liberals. The collection of people it describes is just a heterogeneous bunch of exiles from polite society. If/when the Overton Window shifts and ideas like borders and nation-states become respectable once again, the citizenists currently residing in the alt-right will quite happily come back in from the cold and leave the 14/88 crowd behind. There won’t ever be an alt-right party, just parties that pick and choose the better ideas that currently float around the alt-right.

P.S. Are the words “rabidly” and “virulently” ever followed by anything other than “anti-semitic”?

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In other words, Horowitz thinks Trump is good for the Jews, so he’s mad at Kristol for being anti-Trump. Kristol probably feels the opposite. It’s a reasonable thing for two ethnocentrists like Horowitz and Kristol to argue over. And they like arguing. They’re good at it. It’s what they do. Goldberg, meanwhile, is playing a role that traditionally has been well-rewarded in the Jewish community: the third party who comes up with a rationalization for why a typical fight like this among Jews is really the fault of the gentiles. Your Russian Jewish great-grandfather got blackballed from joining a German Jewish country club? It was the fault of the WASP country clubs. Jewish patriarchs invested more in the education of their sons than their daughters and their smart daughters are resentful? Society is to blame. Etc. This is a pretty smart ethnic solidarity-building practice, but you shouldn’t have to take it seriously.

I think it is more cognitive dissonance. They are wanting this to be about something different than it is, because the real issue is unmentionable. Isael is is no danger whatever from Iran.

WASPs like Clinton or Bush threaten to obliterate Iran if it attacks Israel (which members of the Israel government actually asked US politicians to stop saying think you are taking Goldberg and Kristol fat too seriously as Israel firsters. They are professional pundits and and highly successful) but never overstep the mark of acknowledging Israels impotence in the face of US policy for a Palestinian statue, which makes the West Bank Arabs a time bomb as Ehud Barak admitted:

“Every attempt [by the State of Israel] to keep hold of this area [the West Bank and Gaza] as one political entity leads, necessarily, to either a nondemocratic or a non-Jewish state. Because if the Palestinians vote, then it is a binational state, and if they don’t vote it is an apartheid state.”

Mearsheimer has explained the end game

“This situation, however, is unsustainable over time. Once it is widely recognized that the two-state solution is dead and Greater Israel is a reality, the righteous Jews will have two choices: support apartheid or work to help create a democratic bi-national state. I believe that almost all of them will opt for the latter option, in large part because of their deep-seated commitment to liberal values, which renders any apartheid state abhorrent to them.”

Though not articulated by the place-men such as Kristol and Goldstein, Israel is in a double bind; needing to divest itself of West Bank Arabs, but unable to go against the settled policy of the US . The Arabs in the occupied territories leaving or being forced out could only happen during a fluid situation in the Middle East. All the other presidential candidates but Trump plan to intervene to keep the Middle east on the current track. The Goldbergs of this world cannot accept that that a the American bipartisan consensus for a Palestinian state dooms Israel and the reason he and Kristol don’t oppose it is because they like their position of importance in US media and policy circles. So they argue that they are Israel’s brave defenders under attack. I don’t know about Horowitz, but Adelson certainly understands what the alternatives facing Israel are.

* [Mark] Levin has taken to dismissively calling the Trump phenomenon “Populist Nationalist Agrarianism.”

To give the man his due, Levin is well-read and knowledgeable. I’m sure that the “agrarian” reference is his way of making a slap at Southern supporters of Trump without crudely smearing them as Kluxers, or making reference to evangelical Christianity and possibly offending Cruz’s followers.

What Levin is alluding to are the Southern Agrarians of the 1930s, a group of intellectuals centered around Vanderbilt University, including Donald Davidson, Allen Tate, Andrew Lytle, John Crowe Ransom, and Robert Penn Warren, who contributed to a volume of essays called I’ll Take My Stand (1930). This represented a type of conservatism, later echoed by people like Richard Weaver and M.E. Bradford, which has now been banished from the consensus expressed by “Conservatism, Inc.” The latter is at present dominated by neoconservatives and Straussians (categories that have considerable overlap).

I can’t think of much in common between Trump and the 1930s Vanderbilt crowd, other than that the war of the neocons on the paleos really began with their hatchet job on Mel Bradford, who had been Ronald Reagan’s initial choice to chair the National Endowment for the Humanities in 1981. Among Bradford’s prominent attackers was George Will. Will and others wanted to push their man, the neoconservative William “Bet-a-Million” Bennett. The kind of people that pushed Bennett are the same kind that now make up the #NeverTrump claque at National Review, The Weekly Standard, etc. Paleoconservatives, like Pat Buchanan and the writers at Chronicles, are among the salon des refusés that have been excommunicated by Conservatism, Inc., and are, not surprisingly, friendlier to Trump.

Bradford was a Vanderbilt man, and, if you will, a second-generation Agrarian. Will savaged Bradford. Will is now savaging Trump. Levin concludes that, ergo, Trump, like Bradford, is an “agrarian.” Such is what passes for logic amongst the cucks.

* Well, terms I’ve heard are things like “you are a destroyer of nations.” So I’d define it not as critiques of Jewish power or influence, but stronger beliefs that Jews are inherently an evil, destructive race or cultural force.

Where is the line between legitimate criticism of jewish influence and describing jewish influence as destructive? Are jews never harmful to other nations?

* Jews are white.

But anyway, your thesis is quite false. Jews and what you refer to as ‘white cohesion’ are in a symbiotic relationship. In Europe at least, Jews were traditionally a scapegoat group used by other white ethnic and religious groups to manufacture cohesion in times of stress by ascribing powers to a common enemy. E.g. Germany blew itself up in WWI, causing enormous national division and sorrow. Out of the ruins far right groups attempted to re-assert national cohesion by scapegoating the Jews as the author of the whole disaster.

‘White cohesion’ is somewhat of an artificial ideological construct anyway. European history is a non-stop series of internal wars between groups we would all call white (with WWI-WWII being the grand climactic suicide pact). In America, white ethnic groups had and have all kinds of divergent interests and are glued together as ‘white’ mainly by race hustlers on both sides who have an interest in creating identity-based divisions. There is such a thing as European/Western culture and civilization, and there is such a thing as social cohesion, but Jews are manifestly very compatible with both.

With that said, the existence of anti-semitic views doesn’t mean that Jews don’t have particular sets of beliefs and desires that emerge out of our particular ethnic history, and that those can’t sometimes be counterproductive to the larger social good. The existence and tragic history of anti-semitism has unfortunately created barriers to responsible self-examination by Jews.

* Obiously, Jews must be very concerned about what stirs up us evil goys surrounding them. Your memory, it seems, isn’t up to remembering violent pogroms that attended Mel Gibson’s “Passion of Christ” – which the ADL rightly predicted would bring down a Hurricane Katrina of anti-Semitic madness upon innocent children of Abraham a scant dozen years ago. Can we forget the poor souls chased up and down 5th Avenue in New York and Wilshire here in L.A., hoping to escape relentless yankee Cossacks and their sabres from which erupted geysers of blood? GEYSERS, I tell you! How dare we not remember burning of humble Jewish shtetls in Palm Beach, Pacific Palisades, Great Neck, and Malibu? The suffering. The SUFFERING, dude!

* Unfortunately, our ethnic group is both mindlessly insecure and ethnocentric. Most of its members are completely incapable of criticizing Jews and our knee-jerk reaction towards any gentile making the most minute of criticisms (or even uncomfortable observations of Jews) is to resort to the ad hominen attack of screaming ANTISEMITISM!

* It is not however reasonable to speak of ethnic characteristics? One talks of “The Chinese” and that is often a useful category. Just because a group of people don’t meet in a back-room and formulate policies, doesn’t mean that they won’t tend to think, vote, and act in particular ways out of a particular group interest.

“Thus the religious Jewish cobbler is responsible and must be made to pay for the actions of the leather jacketed Jewish Chekist.”

Are we not permitted to notice the Chekist? That he often tended to be drawn from a certain group and that his animus was derived from a particular perspective? To even notice these things is deemed anti-semitic by many Jews.

* David Horowitz is a Contra-Jihadist, a renegade form of Neo-Conservatism which started around 2001. It was accepted by the Conservative Inc. so long it contributed to their efforts. The Contra-Jihadist movement died in 2011 after a deeply disturbed young man killed socialist youths in a lonely wolf terrorist attack. In 2012 the Contra-Jihadists was gone from established politics although Fox News keep allowing them on from time to time. I don’t think Horowitz and the rest of his kind has a path forward anymore. They burned their bridges with the establishment when they began to establish relations with the nationalist parties in Europe in 2007-2008. It didn’t work out well although they still connections.

The Israeli nationalists has not been willing to embrace the European nationalist them as their view non-Jewish nationalism as evil. The grassroots in the European nationalist movement don’t view Israel through a Zionist lens but a European nationalist lens. If a relationship with the Israeli nationalist is not in line with their intrest and if it not results in returns they will reject it. The nationalists in Europe have some serious problems with their grassroots radicalism. Hence, they have put the Israeli relations in the closet not to anger their voters. Horowitz will most likely burn his bridges to the nationalist movement as the future nationalist movements with their Israel first and blame the Muslims for everything kind of arguments.

Horowitz, as an opportunist goes were the wind is blowing now it’s blowing towards nationalism and non-intervention and so he jumps on that train and try to shuffle far-right Israeli politics on it. It is very visible on Breitbart. They are overtly pushing for white identity politics but then mix it with Contra-Jihadism. However, I think it will become much more difficult to leach on the Trump movement as it is filled with libertarians, paleo-conservatives, nationalist and all kind of people who doesn’t have much love for Israel or have a distained view on Muslims for being Muslims. They don’t hate Islam. They just don’t want the Western World to be involved their domestic affairs nor want uncontrolled immigration from that region. The stakes are raised since the Contra-Jihadist movement was “fashionable”. Every circle of nationalism in the West is turning more radical. If Trump loses the election the coming “Trump” will be much more radical. The same goes on the left with Bernie. The next Bernie will be much more radical.

* How could Trump be stabbed in the back when “Organized Jewry” is stabbing him in the front? It’s not like they are SECRETLY selling out to Hillary while pretending to support Trump – it’s all quite visible. Kristol is openly begging everyone he meets in the street to run as a third party candidate against Trump.

* White cohesion as distinct from nationalism is a relatively recent problem/phenomenon in western non slave holding societies. Jews were relatively sympathetic to nationalism in the 19th and early twentieth century. They were by and large prominent supporters of Pilsudki (excepting communists who were a minority of jewish population)and provided the lion’s share of financial support for the PSW. It was official zionist policy to support fellow nationalists of every stripe until Hitler’s rise to power made that untenable as a policy. The Ukrainian civil war and the slaughter of Jews that accompanied it didn’t much help the cause of nationalism in jewish hearts.

* Jews have an inherently dual identity – at once an inextricable part of Western civilization and yet in some ways apart from it. But in a black and white world, Jews are asked to take sides – in WN terms, are Jews “white” or “not white”? Real life is full of shades of gray.

Regarding your last point, near the end of his life Solzhenitsyn tried to write thoughtfully about the idea that the often fraught relationship between the Jews and the Russians was a two-way street and not purely a matter of drunken Cossacks pogromming against Jews (nor, as some would have it here, of murderous Jewish Chekists exterminating the kulaks), but as you say, just as in popular discourse blacks can only be portrayed as victims of racism and never as perpetrators, the same is true for Jews, so Solzhenitsyn’s work in this area got no traction – I don’t think it was even translated into English and he was considered to be somewhat of a fruitcake because of it.

* Trump’s initial answer on Israel was interesting in how non-political it was. A trained American politician would claim to be 100% supportive of Israel and also act as an honest broker to negotiate a peace between Israel and its enemies. Trump didn’t have the political experience to realize that this contradiction was the conventional wisdom.

That doesn’t mean he’d be anti-Israel. Another possibility for someone who acknowledges the contradiction would be to ditch the pyrrhic perennial peace process. A more practical approach might be to give the Palestinians more to lose, perhaps by helping them develop their real estate.

* There are Jewish organizations but they speak mostly for themselves and have no mandate to speak on behalf of a non-existent “organized Jewry”.

By that logic, no organized anything exists. Just because half the country doesn’t like Obama and the other half didn’t like Bush doesn’t mean that the U.S. government doesn’t exist. And the American Jewry is a lot less divided on certain key questions than the American populace.

There is no doubt that Jews lean left liberal but probably not much more than Unitarians or Belmont Episcopalians or other groups that have demographics similar to Jews. In other words, it’s not just Jewish college professors that lean left, it’s pretty much ALL college professors. It’s just that the Jews are disproportionately found in jobs like college professor.

Chuck Schumer is not liberal on Israel, whereas William Kristol is not conservative on immigration to the U.S. “Liberal” Jews on college campuses are horrified when more consistent liberals side with Palestinians and target Israel for BDS. I can go on and on.

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Facebook’s algorithm only as unbiased as its creators

Washington Times: It turns out the algorithms that govern the internet can be as biased as the people who create and update them.

That may be the most surprising takeaway from the political bias scandal that has enveloped Facebook after former employees told the tech blog Gizmodo that they would sometimes suppress conservative-friendly items and promote liberal reports on the newsfeed’s “trending topics” box.

Even if no humans were involved, however, the algorithm would not have been completely neutral because it was written by humans, digital media analysts say.

“I think there’s probably no such thing as a neutral algorithm, just like there’s probably never really such a thing as a truly neutral journalist,” said Philip Napoli, journalism and media studies professor at Rutgers University.

“They get created and they evolve over time and they get tweaked. And there’s no one author,” Mr. Napoli said. “These algorithms are the result of years and years of modification and refinement and different people coming in and contributing. It’s more dispersed.”

The question of eliminating bias in the algorithm — or at least mitigating it — is likely to be raised when leading conservative commentators such as Glenn Beck and Dana Perino meet Wednesday with Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg.

Mr. Zuckerberg has insisted that “rigorous guidelines” govern what appears on “trending topics,” the box in the top right corner of the Facebook feed that users have been led to believe reflects the most popular subjects on the site.

With 1.6 billion users, Facebook is the most pervasive media outlet in the world. If Facebook represents its “trending topics” feed as politically neutral but conservatives are excluded — either automatically by the algorithm or proactively by curators — implications for the free exchange of ideas are enormous, critics say.

Sen. John Thune, South Dakota Republican and chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, fired off a letter to Mr. Zuckerberg last week seeking answers to questions raised by the report of “political manipulation.”

“Any attempt by a neutral and inclusive social media platform to censor or manipulate political discussion is an abuse of trust and inconsistent with the values of an open Internet,” Mr. Thune said in a May 10 statement.

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How Facebook Shuts Down Right-Wing Discussion

REPORT: The liberal media are all over one part of the Facebook scandal story – and ignoring another. Generally, media have covered the accusations that the social media site is censoring conservative news and sources from their trending news feed. Coincidentally, this is also the part of the Facebook story affecting the media.

Potentially a bigger scandal (because it affects more people) is the accusation that Facebook censors individual member pages, blogs, smaller media outlets, and discussion groups reflecting a conservative point of view.  Sometimes, the sites are shut down, sometimes they are simply threatened into silence.

In 2013, a Facebook page for the conservative website "Chicks on The Right" was threatened with a shut-down after posting a message criticizing White House Press Secretary Jay Carney.  According to the site, the "offending" message of “Jay Carney can kiss my assular area” violated the site’s standards, so it blocked the "Chicks" site. Only because Fox News' Todd Starnes learned of and publicized the incident was  "Chicks on The Right" was saved from a permanent place in the Facebook penalty box.

Starnes' interest in Facebook censorship may stem from the time he was placed in the Facebook penitentiary. You may want to make sure there are no kids in the room before you go on because the Fox News host's "horrible" violation was a post mentioning four offensive subjects in the same paragraph. The proper nouns were: Paula Deen, Chick-fil-A, the NRA and Jesus Christ.

"I'm about as politically incorrect as you can get. I'm wearing an NRA ball cap, eating a Chick-fil-A sandwich, reading a Paula Deen cookbook and sipping a 20-ounce sweet tea while sitting in my Cracker Barrel rocking chair with the Gaither Vocal Band singing 'Jesus Saves' on the stereo and a Gideon's Bible in my pocket. Yes sir, I'm politically incorrect and happy as a June bug."

Mr. Starnes says he received a message from the Facebook police that said:

"We removed this from Facebook because it violates our Community Standards," Facebook wrote me. "So you're temporarily blocked from using this feature."

In March of 2015, 12-year-old "CJ" Pearson was sent to Facebook detention because he posted a video where he agreed with former NYC Giuliani's criticism of President Obama. 

“Today I just want to applaud Mayor Rudy Giuliani for his comments about President Barack Obama,” Coreco “CJ” Pearson says in the video.

“President Obama, you don’t love America. If you really did love America, you would call ISIS what it really is: An assault on Christianity, an assault on America and a downright hate for the American values our country holds. Here in America, we don’t back down to terrorists. We fight them on their own battleground and we annihilate them to the very end.”

For posting this (offensive to liberals) video, Pearson found his account locked due to "suspicious activity."

American Conservatives are not the only ones facing Facebook censorship. This past December, a Canadian page critical of Liberal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had a meme removed, seemingly, because it pointed out what it claimed was a double-standard in the Premier's policy.

After there was a pepper spray attack on a group of Syrians in Vancouver, Trudeau openly condemned the attack, lecturing us on what it means to be Canadian.

However, after another incident, in which two men – both named Mohamed, shot up a nightclub in Calgary, Trudeau was silent. No comment.

Not only was the meme removed, but they were warned never to post anything like it again or they will be sent to social media Siberia:

Patriotism may be another area offensive to the unknown Facebook constable. The website Liberty Unyielding claimed a picture of the Marine Corps emblem (picture below) with a black mourning ribbon was removed from a page and one of its administrators received a 3-day embargo:

Late Monday [7/27/15], Facebook unpublished the popular pro-military “Locked and Loaded” page, while telling administrators that a picture of the United States Marine Corps emblem with a ribbon marked “In Remembrance” violated their community standards. Jason Light, an administrator from Atlanta, told this reporter in an exclusive interview the page was covering the funeral and burial of Marine Lance Corporal Skip Wells, who was killed in Chattanooga.

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Explicating The RCC

Friend: “Do you think the RCC (Rabbinical Council of California) is just in their decision? In general in their decisions? Do you believe they are serving the Jews correctly? Are they right in their decisions?”

Luke: “They want to maximize power for themselves. Always bet on self-interest. Rabbis want as much power as possible and they’ll ascribe it to God’s will or Torah, etc.”

Friend: “If they were just more transparent…”

Luke: “Transparency and rabbinic power do not go together. Jews have always been ruled by their elites, just like any tribe.”

“Are Orthodox Jews good at snapping up Section 8 housing vouchers in LA or do they leave them for the goyim?”

I hear Persian Jews are good at it.

Friend: “Persian Jews will take advantage of every loophole tenfold over the average Jew! They will shamelessly get food stamps, special housing, and take advantage of the system any chance they get.”

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Report: “Savvy” Hasidic Williamsburg Families Hold A Bulk Of Section 8 Vouchers

Are such hasidim compatible with first-world living? They suck up all the welfare they can, they don’t give their kids a secular education, they generally have an anti-gentile attitude and they feel no loyalty towards the nation that hosts them.

Chaim Amalek writes: “GOYIM! THIS is how it is done! With racial solidarity and the interest of your group taking precedence over the interests of everyone else.”

Gothamist: Families in Hasidic Williamsburg are using a large chunk of the City’s limited stock of Section 8 vouchers to maintain an island of below-market rate housing within one of the hottest real estate markets in NYC, according to a report today from WNYC and the Daily News.
Federal records show that residents of Hasidic communities have historically applied for vouchers in bulk with the assistance of real estate-connected community organizations like United Jewish Organizations (UJO), and use them to live in new apartments designed to suit large Hasidic families—multi-bedrooms in low-slung buildings that don’t necessitate elevators.
In February 2007 UJO helped 2,000 people apply for Section 8 in a single day (there were 200,000 applicants total during the 90-day window). And when HPD offered up 400 vouchers to Community Board 1 members after a 2008 rezoning, UJO helped 600 people apply in a matter of hours.
“These are people who are poor, but they’re not beaten down. They’re savvy,” Queens College professor Sam Heilman told WNYC. “They’ve figured out a way to live with poverty, but not to be impoverished. That’s the extraordinary story.”
About 55% of Hasidic households in NYC live below the federal poverty line, outpacing the city average. But while many Section 8 holders struggle to find landlords who will entertain their applications—despite anti-discrimination laws in place since the late aughts [PDF]— many Hasidic families can expect to find receptive landlords in their communities.
There were 1,394 Section 8 vouchers in Williamsburg’s 9 Yiddish-speaking census tracts in the year 2000. By 2014, there were 3,296 voucher holders across 12 such tracts. These voucher holders are concentrated in formerly-industrial pockets of Bed-Stuy and Williamsburg, a.k.a. New Williamsburg, where Hasidic families have been converting factory buildings into apartments since the late 1990s, raising concerns about discriminatory rental practices.
Citing local real estate attorneys and ex-community members, today’s report also outlines how some powerful Hasidic landlords may also be charging tenants under the table, on top of Section 8. The vouchers cover about $1,050 per month in the neighborhood, according to the report’s findings, while the maintenance cost for apartments is much steeper.
“They’ll do anything, including paying extra money above Section 8,” one ex-Hasidic teenager whose father is a contractor told the News. “So the landlords are asking it only because the tenants will pay it. The tenants will only pay it because they have no other option.”
As property values continue to spike across NYC, Hasidic families are also taking their Section 8 vouchers to ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods upstate, where the subsidy goes farther.
While 120,000 NYC residents wait on the Section 8 waitlist, NYCHA records show that about 500 Section 8 holders have moved out of NYC, to predominantly-Hasidic villages like Monsey and Spring Village in Rockland and Monroe counties. Some families in the community follow @Sec8heimish on Twitter for regular updates on Section 8 waiting lists, and openings in New York and surrounding states.

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Feel The Bern!

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Bethany Mandel: Pro-Trump Media’s anti-Semitism: Not So Renegade

Bethany Mandel is a convert to Orthodox Judaism.

She writes:

Breitbart’s dogwhistling headline is the latest proof that hatred lies at the heart of Trump’s appeal and that a Trump win means a precarious future for American Jews.

Until this week, Renegade Jew would have been a great name for a punk band. Now, it’s the Weekly Standard editor’s Bill Kristol’s new nickname thanks to Breitbart.com. And it’s not a term of endearment. 

Kristol, a powerful player in Washington for decades, is trying to pull off a Hail Mary to save the conservative movement. With Donald Trump all but certain to be the Republican nominee, Kristol has traveled around the country talking to conservative leaders like Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse and former Massachusetts Governor and presidential candidate Mitt Romney about the possibility of a third party candidate running for President. 

In a story about Kristol’s efforts, Breitbart ran a piece by conservative firebrand David Horowitz with the following dog whistle of a headline: Bill Kristol: Republican Spoiler, Renegade Jew.

How might Trump feel about such a movement, dubbed #NeverTrump by his Republican detractors, who have refused to vote for the nominee of their own party? A window into his position can be found on the Breitbart site, named for its now deceased founder Andrew Breitbart. The site has seen a partial exodus recently: several staffers, in public letters of resignation, accused the site of publishing Trump propaganda clothed as campaign coverage. When one Jewish editor, Ben Shapiro, left the site, his personal information was published in retaliation, with a pointed note that Shapiro had betrayed his fellow Jews at the publication by resigning. Shapiro has since been inundated with vile anti-Semitic harassment from Breitbart readers and employees, even following the recent birth of his son. 

The Breitbart site, founded by a Jewish conservative who despised Donald Trump, is the darling of the pro-Trump alt-right, especially those with an axe to grind with Jews. There have been renouncements about the post among most of the media, both conservative and liberal. On his own site the Daily Wire Shapiro denounced the post, published on a site he once edited, written by another former employer and mentor, Horowitz.  As with most other offenses by the site, the fervor will quiet down and soon most outside the journalism industry will send the post down the memory hole. 

Donald Trump’s appeal is inexplicable to many, as is the popularity of a site that cheerleads for him while dogwhistling to its white nationalist readers (of whom there are many, if the comments section is any indication). Trump’s many flirtations with white nationalism are many, including a reluctance to renounce even the KKK’s David Duke on air with CNN’s Jake Tapper. 

Every time Trump is tied to hatred, as he was recently after a White Nationalist was named a delegate by the Trump campaign in California, his popularity doesn’t dip in the slightest. Nor does the readership over at Breitbart after screeds like the one against Shapiro or Kristol are published. 

The scary truth about Trump’s success at the polls and Breitbart’s dominance of conservative media (it ranks higher than every other mainstream right-wing publication on Alexa, nearing the top 1,000 sites on the entire internet) is this: the hatred is a feature, not a bug, of the popularity and appeal of both. Donald Trump and his fans and his potential future staffers over at Breitbart (several have expressed interest in working for him) have overturned a rock – and from under it lies a dark underbelly of America, filled with hatred the likes of which we haven’t seen in a generation or more. 

Despite what Trump (and his Democratic rivals for that matter) might claim, the United States still resonates greatness both now and over a far longer perspective of world history. More particularly, nowhere outside the State of Israel are Jews more protected, valued or comfortable than they are in the U.S. What is most shocking for conservatives is the realization that many of Trump’s Republican followers care nothing for the Founders who made this country great, nor of the articles of faith nor the tangible documents that are the bedrock of our entire belief system. Trump openly denounces the freedom of the press as his defenders attack conservatives like Kristol who seek to protect the movement known for conserving what is great about our nation – not least those civil liberties that hallow freedom of speech. 

When Americans are unaware of what makes our country unique among the rest of the Western world, stripped of what makes it great, we will be left with a country like any other. Freedom of the press, of religion, of association and more are all enumerated clearly among our rights. Unfortunately for American Jews, every other country in the Western world has become a much more hostile place for Jews these days, even more so than usual. 

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The Conservative Pundit

From his Twitter account:

* Approximately 0 media figures are attacked subsequent to internet death threats EVERY YEAR, and yet people STILL don’t take them seriously!

* It’s OK for us journalists to misrepresent people we dislike as long as we’re doing so in our official capacity as conscience of the nation.

* The press’s 1A right to smear whomever they want is sacrosanct and ought to be protected with Draconian online censorship if necessary.

* A reporter got internet blowback for her lazy partisan hatchet job, and Melania had the NERVE to blame the REPORTER!

* I still say the trick to stopping Trump is getting humorless, abrasive, pinched-face women to go on TV and lecture everyone about misogyny.

* Trump supporters also lack enthusiasm for feminists, Muslims, trannies, and other pillars of American conservatism:

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* Trump supporters like their own families and home communities way more than they like other ones. It’s shameful.

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* It was the diversity of America’s historically 80-90% white population that made it the powerhouse it is today.

* Like all principled conservatives, I’ve gone from mocking the idea of white privilege to unironically invoking it in about two years or so.

* True conservatives check their white privilege every day.

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* My devious plan to discredit the Alt Right is to conflate it with the one campaign currently reviving the hopes and dreams of the GOP base.

* There’s no purer expression of the free market than using your company’s tremendous wealth to subvert the MSM so you can accrue more wealth.

* Divided we’re a tiny gaggle of grasping politicians, hack consultants, and washed-up wannabe intellectuals, but united we’re #NeverTrump!

* You’re gonna regret this whole “maintaining our national sovereignty” thing when you have to pay more money for your iPhone 12!

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Obama: Put Nordic Countries ‘In Charge for a While’ Because ‘They Could Clean Things Up’

NEWS: Pres. Obama said that Nordic countries would make the world “more secure and more prosperous” if “we” would just let them run things.

Welcoming the leaders of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland to the White House on Friday, Obama said that, if “we” let Nordic countries control the world, that “they could clean things up”:

“So I really do believe that the world would be more secure and more prosperous if we just had more partners like our Nordic countries. There have been times where I’ve said, why don’t we just put all these small countries in charge for a while? And they could clean things up.”

The Nordic countries are vital to his efforts to create a new world order, Obama said:

“They have been extraordinarily important for us in shaping and maintaining an international order that is rule-based, that is fair, that is just.”
Obama said that Nordic wealth redistribution has brought great joy to its citizens:

“In fact, in a world of growing economic disparities, Nordic countries have some of the least income inequality in the world — which may explain one of the reasons that they’re some of the happiest people in the world, despite not getting much sun.”

Obama also called Nordic countries “a model” and praised them for their “pluralism” and willingness to welcome refugees:

“And we believe in the inherent dignity of every human being. We believe in pluralism and tolerance and respect for free speech and freedom of religion. It’s why we welcome the refugee who seeks a better life. It’s why we stand up for human rights around the world.”

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Love, Marriage & Orthodox Judaism

Marc B. Shapiro blogs: The Yated “translation” omits anything about R. Shulman and R. Sher’s daughter “falling in love.” This is because there is no such concept in the haredi world (and in traditional Jewish societies, in both the Ashkenazic and Sephardic worlds, such a notion was hardly found at all). Any love between husband and wife is said to come after marriage, and the biblical support for this concept, repeated in numerous texts (both haredi and pre-haredi[4]), is found in Genesis 24:67: “Isaac brought her into the tent of his mother Sarah, and he married Rebekkah. So she became his wife, and he loved her.” This verse states that Isaac loved Rebekkah, but only after he married her.[5] R. Gamaliel Rabinowitz goes so far as to state that any love that is found before marriage arises from sin, as there is no room for “feelings” before marriage…

R. David Cohen, the Nazir, is an example of one who fell in love before marriage. In fact, his relationship with his future wife, Sarah, is a great love story. They were separated from each other for twelve years. He was in Europe and Eretz Yisrael and she was in Russia and later trapped behind the Iron Curtain. Throughout these long years they remained committed to each other, and the Nazir kept her picture on his desk.

… the Rav fell in love with his future wife in Berlin. R. Ronnie Ziegler writes as follows here:

“The Rav’s most important and fateful encounter in Berlin was that with his wife, Dr. Tonya (Lewit) Soloveitchik (1904-1967). A student at the University of Jena, where she obtained a Ph.D. in education, she was introduced to Rav Soloveitchik by her brother, a fellow student at University of Berlin. Although a scion of the illustrious Soloveitchik family was expected to conclude a match with the daughter of a prominent rabbi or at least a successful businessman, Rav Soloveitchik fell in love with Tonya Lewit and married her in 1931 despite her family’s undistinguished lineage and lack of means.”

R. Ziegler continues by describing the deep connection between the Rav and Tonya.

As mentioned in the previous lecture, the Rav’s relationship with his wife was one of the two most significant relationships in his life. He had unlimited esteem for her – his dedication of “The Lonely Man of Faith” reads: “To Tonya: A woman of great courage, sublime dignity, total commitment, and uncompromising truthfulness.” He respected her opinion and heeded her advice, both in practical and in intellectual matters. It was on her advice that he changed the topics of his annual Yahrzeit (memorial) lectures for his father, which attracted thousands of listeners, to matters which non-scholars could relate to (such as prayer, Torah reading, and holidays). [The halakhic portions of some of these lectures are collected in the two volumes of Shiurim Le-zekher Abba Mari z”l.] In a poignant passage in a teshuva lecture delivered after his wife’s death, he recounted how he used to consult her before speaking:
“The longing for one who has died and is gone forever is worse than death. The soul is overcome and shattered with fierce longing. . . . Several days ago, I once again sat down to prepare my annual discourse on the subject of repentance. I always used to discuss it with my wife and she would help me to define and crystallize my thoughts. This year, too, I prepared the discourse while consulting her: “Could you please advise me? Should I expand this idea or cut down on that idea? Should I emphasize this point or that one?” I asked, but heard no reply. Perhaps there was a whispered response to my question, but it was swallowed up by the wind whistling through the trees and did not reach me.” (On Repentance [Jerusalem, 1980], p. 280)
Rav Soloveitchik’s wife was his best and perhaps only real friend. His natural proclivity towards loneliness, which we will encounter repeatedly in his writings, was heightened in his philosophy to an ideal, which expresses itself in an invigorating sense of one’s own uniqueness. One can be lonely even, or perhaps especially, when surrounded by friends, colleagues, and family. This is a constructive force which propels a person toward his individual destiny, while also propelling him to seek a depth-connection with God and with his fellow man. Aloneness, as opposed to loneliness, is a disjunctive emotion – it is a sense of lacking companionship, of being abandoned and forlorn. The passage above highlights the Rav’s almost unbearable sense of aloneness following his wife’s death in 1967 after a long struggle with cancer. He is reported to have said, “After my father’s death, I felt like a wall of my house had fallen down. After my wife’s death, I felt like the entire house had collapsed.”

Concerning the matter of falling in love before marriage, it is noteworthy that the great R. Hayyim Joseph David Azulai (the Hida) was in love with the woman who would later be his wife, and whom he knew for a number of years before they were married…

I am quite surprised by the example the author uses. In commenting on the rabbinic derashah connecting the words מורשה and מאורסה,[21] he uses an example that portrays a romantic relationship. He tells of a rich man, apparently newly married, who loved his wife and tried to woo her by telling her how greatly he loved her. “His love for her increased in quantity and quality beyond how other grooms love their brides.”
This type of description would be unusual enough in a rabbinic work. Yet it gets even more unusual when R. Fried continues by telling us that the rich man showered her with hugs and kisses and placed an expensive necklace around her neck as a sign of his love. R. Fried also elaborates on why, despite all these signs of affection, the woman did not reciprocate with any feelings of love. Later he explains that since the Torah is to us like one bound with erusin, that is why we show it love, decorate it with silver and gold, and even kiss it, just like a groom does with his bride! It happens to be a clever derashah, and ends with how if you want the Torah (i.e., God) to love you back, it is not enough to only support the Torah. One must also support the poor Torah scholars, the “relatives” of the Torah.
Is it just me, or is anyone else surprised by this derashah? I can’t imagine using the imagery found here as part of a derashah before a haredi audience in order to inspire them to be generous with their support of Torah scholars. With the mention of hugging and kissing the bride, I don’t even think this would go over well in front of a Modern Orthodox audience. [22]
I am doubly astounded by the fact that the derashah we have just seen was written by an outstanding student of the Hatam Sofer, one who also showed his halakhic expertise by authoring a volume of responsa titled שו”ת מהרא”ף…

R. Samson Raphael Hirsch, in his commentary to Gen. 24:67, writes as follows:

“Like the marriage of the first Jewish son [Jacob], Jewish marriages, most Jewish marriages, are contracted, not by passion but by reason and judgment. Parents, relations and friends consider which young people are really suited to each other, bring them together, and then love grows more and more, the more they get to know each other. But most non-Jewish marriages are made by what they call “love”, and one has only to glance at the novels depicting life to notice what a gulf there usually yawns between the “love” before marriage and after, how rapid and insipid everything then seems, how different from all the glamour one had imagined etc. etc. Such “love” is blind, every step into the future brings disappointment. But of Jewish marriage it says: ויקח את רבקה ותהי לו לאשה ויאהבה. There the wedding is not the culmination but the seed, the root of love!”

Reading all of these passages shows us how much has changed both culturally and sociologically. I don’t think there is a parent in the Modern Orthodox world who would support a child’s marriage if the son or daughter was not convinced that he/she loved the future spouse.

The phrase חולי האהבה is used by Maimonides in Mishneh Torah, Hilkhot Teshuvah 10:3 (חולת אהבה appears in Song of Songs 2:5). He states:

“What is the love of God that is befitting? It is to love the Eternal with a great and exceeding love so strong that one’s soul shall be knit up with the love of God, and one should be continually enraptured by it, like a love-sick individual, whose mind is at no time free from his passion for a particular woman, the thought of her filling his heart at all times, when sitting down or rising up, when he is eating or drinking.”

Although some have described Maimonides as akin to Spock when it comes to emotions, anyone who reads the passage just quoted will see that Maimonides understood very well what being in love is all about.

The most recent book to appear in my series with Academic Studies Press is Maxine Jacobson, Modern Orthodoxy in American Judaism: The Era of Rabbi Leo Jung. Anyone with an interest in the history of Orthodoxy in America will want to read this book, and I am very happy that I was able to include it, together with other high quality works, in my series, “Studies in Orthodoxy.” Rather than offer my own description of the book, here is an “official” description, which appears on Amazon.

This work presents the issues of Modern Orthodox Judaism in America, from the decades of the twenties to the sixties, by looking at the activities of one of its leaders, Rabbi Dr. Leo Jung, pulpit rabbi, community leader and writer, whose career spanned over sixty years, beginning in the 1920s. Jung is a fulcrum around which many issues are explored. Rabbi Jung’s path crossed with some of the most interesting people of his time. He worked with Chaim Weizmann, the first president of Israel, with Albert Einstein to promote Yeshiva College, with Herman Wouk, American author and Pulitzer Prize winner, and with Pearl Buck, a Nobel Prize laureate and Pulitzer Prize winner.
Modern Orthodoxy went from being a threatened entity on the American scene to a well- recognized and respected force in Judaism. Orthodoxy, at first, was seen as alien to the American environment. Marshall Sklare, perhaps the most influential exponent of this notion, wrote in the 1950s that the history of Orthodoxy in America could be written in terms of a case study of institutional decay. He realized the errors of his ways in the 1970s. This is the story of the renaissance of American Modern Orthodoxy, from the disorganization of the older Orthodoxy to the new spirit of confidence that emerged after World War Two. The phenomenon of Modern Orthodoxy is examined in the context of Orthodox invigoration and change. This book has relevance for further studies in various areas. It is part of the study of religious acculturation, of the conflict between tradition and modernity and of religious reinvigoration in a secular society.

Another noteworthy recent book is Michael J. Harris, Faith Without Fear: Unresolved Issues in Modern Orthodoxy. In my blurb that appears on the back cover, I write: “A proud and sophisticated manifesto of Modern Orthodoxy, one which builds on past thinkers but does not hesitate to chart new ground as well.” Rabbi Harris deals with a number of issues such as the role and status of women, mysticism, academic biblical scholarship, and religious pluralism. He generally comes down on the more “liberal” side of what is known as Modern Orthodoxy. (An exception to this generalization is his chapter on academic biblical scholarship.) Anyone who is interested in the intellectual trends of Modern Orthodoxy will want to read Harris’s book, as it is engaged scholarship at its best…

After the retirement of R. Israel Brodie, Herzog was offered, and accepted, the position of British Chief Rabbi. The common view is that Herzog’s health problems prevented him taking up the post, but the truth is more complicated. See Bar-Zohar, Yaacov Herzog, ch. 13.

Since I have spoken in prior posts about religious men not wearing kippot, Herzog should be added to the list. Not only did he go bareheaded when representing the State of Israel in the Diaspora (and also in his famous debate with Toynbee), but as you can see from pictures in Bar-Zohar’s book, he also did so in Israel, while at work in various important government positions. Bar Zohar writes, “Even as a very young man, when he was working at the Foreign Ministry and then in the Prime Minister’s office, Yaacov did not wear a skullcap, except when saying blessings or praying.” (Yaacov Herzog, p. 111) Because of the vast changes that have taken place in Israeli society, it is hard for us to appreciate why, in the early decades of the State of Israel, some religious men, even those who were not of German background, felt that government work required removing their kippah.

You can listen to the Herzog-Toynbee debate here.

In a previous post here I referred to Yitzhak Nebenzahl as not wearing a kippah, and I mentioned that this German practice continued into his old age. In 1974 Nebenzahl was a member of the Agranat Commission which investigated the Yom Kippur War. In pictures of him from this time you can see that he was still without a kippah. A couple of people emailed me to say that by the 1980s he had abandoned the galut custom and indeed wore a big black kippah. One of them even sent a picture of him and Nebenzahl together.

In the post referred to in the previous paragraph, I also discussed Aharon Barth, who like Nebenzahl came from Germany and did not wear a kippah while at work. Subsequent to the post I found that Zorach Warhaftig mentions that after the death of Chaim Weizman, Ha-Poel ha-Mizrachi recommended to Ben Gurion that Barth be a candidate for president of the State of Israel. Warhaftig reports that Ben Gurion rejected this since Barth was too religious and thus not an appropriate representative for the average citizen.

COMMENTS:

* See R. Daniel Eidensohn’s post on the Daas Torah blog titled, “Sex as a metaphor for love of Torah & G-d”(6/14/12):

“In researching my present sefer on sexuality – it has become obvious that the current attitude towards sexual issues is different then it was in Biblical and Talmudic times. Then it was not only more openly discussed and used as a metaphor in Biblical and Talmudic texts as well as Kabbalistic writings – but there was also a very positive appreciation of sexual attraction and pleasures. In fact love of Torah and love of G-d are expressed as sexual feelings. Is it just a metaphor or is it that intense spirituality is on a continuum with human sexuality? Below is just a small sampling of texts….”

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