Jews & The War Of The Sexes

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* War of the Sexes is essentially a war between Jewish men and Jewish women but fought on the battleground of the goy body.

No bunch of men have done more to ‘objectify’ the female body in the modern world than Jews have. Sure, ancient Greeks were into nude statues and Renaissance painters were nude-ists too, but they presented nudity in artful and beautiful manner(though not always).

But modern Jewish men have often presented the female body in porny ways. I recall Suzanne Somers married some Jewish guy in the 70s.

The Jewish guy, Alan Hamel, was interviewed by Barbara Walters in the 70s, and when asked why he married Somers, he said something like “I wondered what she would look like naked.” This was the feminist 70s so, even as a kid, I was shocked that some guy would speak so frankly. But frank he was indeed. I mean no one would marry Somers for her brains, right? But I recall Walters’ disapproving demeanor. It was truly a Portnoyic or Portnographic moment. A Jewish guy married some ‘shikse’ because he was slobbering about thinking about her BODY, not her brains.
And of course, Marilyn Monroe was the ultimate ‘white meat’. (Ron Rosenbaum should write a piece on that.) Though she tried to educate herself and read books, the only thing that interested Jewish men about her was her tits and ass.
It’s all there in PORTNOY’S COMPLAINT. It’s not about Jewish men interested in white women’s brains, hearts, or souls. It’s about pretty face, breasts, ass, and pooter. And Jews were heavily involved in porn in Europe and especially in America. And porn was certainly mostly about using white women as OBJECTS of sexual lust.
So, if any bunch of men did most to objectify the female body, it was Jews. And it was especially the WHITE female body. Conservatives were opposed to porn, and even most white liberals were uneasy with that stuff as wasps were of puritanical background and Catholics were sexually uneasy about such stuff.
But in images and words, Jewish men were pioneers of openly dealing with male lust issues. And lust was about the body, not about the brains.
Hollywood had many glamorous stars. But in the old days, censorship dampened and restrained open sexuality. But with the end of censorship in the late 60s and early 70s, the female body could be fully ‘objectified’ and ‘commoditized’ as sexual playthings. And Jewish men were at the forefront of this. Even blaxploitation movies that promoted interracism were mostly made by Jewish men.
Though it was about lust, some Jewish porn-meisters sought intellectual justification by invoking Freud. So, it was healthy and natural for men to openly lust after female bodies and confess their ‘boing’-ish desires. Russ Meyers!
Since Jewish women had big noses and were overly brainy, Jewish men were Portnoic in their lust for white shikse, especially the blondes. It’s like the guy in HEARTBREAK KID has no interest in Cybil Sheperd’s brains. It’s all her about sex appeal. And Peter Bogdanovich was nuts about Cybil Sheperd, divorced his first wife, and married her. Later he went after Dorothy Stratton, another blonde hottie tottie(who ended up badly, killed by jealous hubby; idiot thought he could ride her sex appeal to fame, not realizing that her fame would serve as a wedge between her and him; why would a woman hang with a loser when winner-men are after her?)

In terms of racial dynamics, white Jewish men preferred to ‘objectify’ the white female, but when it came to blacks they preferred to ‘objectify’ the black male. Black women could sing, and they had fit bodies, but their faces looked too funky-wunky. So, black women weren’t really objects of sexual desire. In contrast, black men were winning in sports, the most prominent domain of male competition in the American mythology. Since promoting black male as the New Tough Man had a wussifying effect on white males, Jewish men did so, albeit with some trepidation(as, like Donald Sterling, Jewish men were also intimidated by blacks.) On the one hand, Jewish men enjoyed watching white guys get beaten and pushed aside by black males. They enjoyed the spectacle of white women going off with black men and making white guys feel like a bunch of losers. As Jews remembered how they’d been ‘dissed’ by snobby Wasps and big strong ‘polacks’(who stole lunch money), they got their racial-sexual vengeance through blacks. Especially because blacks worked for Jews in sports and media, Jews could even see blacks as their sexual-cultural agents. (Though white gentile hostility toward Jews has been greatly exaggerated, Jewish sensitivity is understandable since negative experiences or perceptions are more long-lasting and impacting than positive or mundane experiences. If a Jew has experiences with a 100 wasps, and if 98 treat him nice or normally while 2 really put him down, his experiences with the 2 will have a more powerfully long-lasting effect than his experience with the 98. It’s like most movie audience could be quiet and well-behaved and only a handful could be rowdy and disruptive, but you’re more likely to remember the rowdy ones than the fact that most audience members were quiet and normal. Jewish sensitivity is also paranoid to some extent. Oftentimes, it wasn’t a matter of how wasps really treated Jews but how Jews suspected wasps were feeling about Jews. It’s like the scene in CARRIE where Carrie thinks everyone is laughing at her at the prom when most of them were not.)

And yet, the Jewish male all-out-objectification of the female coincided with the rise of feminism that was dominated by Jewish women. So, Jewish men were going out of their way to promote the image of the women as a big-tits-ass-pooter, and Jewish women were bitching about how the woman was being ‘objectified’ than admired for her brains and heart. But what Jewish women left out of their criticism was that Jewish men were the main players in the ‘objectification’ of women. They also failed to mention that Jewish men ‘objectified’ white women as objects of lust than any other women. (On the one hand, brainy Jewish women were insulted that women were being seen primarily as sexual trophies than as intellectual/creative equals of men. On the other hand, they were envious of the fact that blonde shikses with pretty looks were idolized by Jewish men. To brainy and big-nosed Jewish women, Jewish male fixation on the ‘shikse’ was like worship of false idols. Instead of respecting Jewish female intellectual ‘spirit’, Jewish men were drooling over tits and ass of white women.)
Jewish men and Jewish women were battling one another, but the Jewish aspect of this was hidden, and the debate was turned into an abstract one of ‘patriarchy’ vs ‘women’s liberation’. But if anything, traditional patriarchy had disapproved of the sexual objectification of women and denounced Jewish role in vice industries.

So often, the core battle is really among Jews, but it’s goyim who are used as battleground and it’s goyim who are recruited as cannon fodder(and who ultimately get the blame).
We see this with Liberal Zionist vs Neocons too. Both sides are Jewish and have common interests, but they differ on strategy and tactics. But instead of just arguing Jew-vs-Jew, they use goy fronts and buffers so that the argument seems to be between ‘Democrats’ and ‘Republicans’, even though most gentiles, if left to their own devices, wouldn’t give a crap about stuff that Jews care about so much. If not for Jewish media domination, most Americans wouldn’t care about middle east problems or Ukraine.

Since Jews want us to do their bidding, the Jewish family feud becomes our feud, and because we gentiles end up fighting one another, paradoxically the Jewish antagonists draw closer.
Imagine a Jewish man and Jewish woman bickering with one another and boiling with anger. But instead of keeping it to themselves, the Jewish man persuades a whole bunch of gentile men to argue on his behalf, and the Jewish woman does the same with a whole bunch of gentile women to do likewise on her behalf. In time, idiot gentile men and idiot gentile women are at each other’s throats, and the Jewish man and Jewish woman look upon the big fight with amusement and laugh together.

We might as well be living in cartoon world.

* The supposed predation of the white male gaze on black females is technically non-existent within U.S. American borders. In other words, it’s really fictional. Like, actually doesn’t happen often. It’s a myth, created inside the minds of delusional, desperate women who want to support matriarchal grass huts and feminist power.

Indeed, a journalist like Sally Kohn doesn’t like real places where dark brown skinned women have truly suffered prostitution and sexual predation after conquest, such as Ethiopia (e.g. Arab men), India (e.g. other Asian men), Brazil (e.g. Portuguese men), Dominican Republic (e.g. Spanish men), Puerto Rico (e.g. Spanish men), Cape Verde (e.g. Portuguese men) and whatnot.

Instead they focus on places like U.S.A., Britain, Ireland, Germany, Greece, Italy, Ukraine, Russia and other unlikely places. I think they turn a blind towards the results of actual predation on dark brown skinned, because the results aren’t pretty, it isn’t glamorous and it’s not the paradise of high-status Beyoncé lifestyle. Their descendants often experience a life of chaos and poverty under an unofficial caste-status system. Just ask the Indians.

* On another note, Kim Kardashian’s famous ass – which has become the icon of the age, what that tells us about the current zeitgeist, I do not know – must be regarded as exceptional and egregious amongst caucasian women of ‘normal’ dimensions. It must be an ‘ethnic’ characteristic, and not originating from Kim’s western European ancestry. Therefore, it must be a peculiar Armenian trait.
Apart from Kim, not many Armenians, a rather closed and endogamous mountain community, have put up the nude posteriors for public display, so there’s van unknown there, but as I recall pioneering LA porn starlet, Christy Canyon, was of Armenian descent.
One wonders, whether this is an ancient sex-linked character as in the Hottentots, which I doubt, or a generalized unisex Armenian character. As another side, ever since western governments have imported millions upon millions of Somalis into the west, I’ve noticed that Somali women are generally prominent posteriorly whilst their menfolk definitely are not. This very much seems a sex linked character. Alas, the chances of Somali women posing nude is close to zero.

* A few years ago I caught part of a biopic on the Kardashian family. Apparently Robert Kardashian was cuckolded by Kris… cuckolded in the evolutionary biology meaning of the term, i.e. the Real McCoy. Third daughter isn’t his. It’s particularly evident in pre-plastic surgery family photos.

* Christy Canyon is half-Armenian and half-Italian. I assume, for obvious reasons, that her best feature(s?) came from her Italian-American mother, rather than from her Armenian-American father. I assume that she was raised Catholic, as she was reportedly expelled from a Catholic high school (prior to her porn career). It did not take very well, regardless; along with her hall-of-fame career as a porn actress, as well as an exotic dancer, she has been married and divorced three times, to date (at age 48). By a coincidence, the aforementioned Bronco chase took place on Christy’s 28th birthday: June 17, 1994.

* There are numerous podcast interviews of former female porn performers who have admitted to have been undiagnosed clinical bipolar cases. With proper diagnoses and treatment they have been able go on and lead relatively normal lives.

When I was in college and dorm residence assistant, there were several coeds who compulsively seemed to be driven to sleep with every male in the unit. They were both getting themselves into real bad situations that required intervention by campus authorities. Sure enough they were diagnosed with serious mental health issues that fortunately were treatable with medication.

Likewise, I am convinced that angry lesbians like Sally and Rachel with clearly masculinized phenotypes are the product of some form of medical condition from the mild to clinical.

I would not take a “porn star” opinions on sexual matters seriously. Can’t see why I should have take anything seriously coming from “That’s a man baby” angry lesbians.

* The KKK chicks were always 5′s or less in life, as one can see when you view the younger ones, who have not had plastic surgery to fix their ugliness; the term “bat faced” comes to mind.

Furthermore, they have always been chunkier. Like many fat girls, they try to claim their “fat” is just curviness, but it’s not fooling anyone but low-IQ women.

So they’ve done what many fat, low-beauty chicks from broken homes (and their home is clearly broken, even if rich) do nowadays: go directly to the bruthas, who will sleep with anything, and regard any white woman, even fat and ugly, as gold. They would rather be treated as low-class princesses than the cast offs of non-whites.

The emphasis on Kim’s ass—a hilariously ugly monstrosity—is part of both halves of this: to claim that fat is “curviness” and to issue a calling card to bruthas. White men prefer legs to butts, as the Rockettes and hundreds of movies have proven.

The KKK’s main draw on their show has long been their sleeping with darkies. Take away that and their show would not be a hit. The show is both for people who like rich-but-low-class-train-wrecks and for trash who like darkies. Their mother (and Ryan Seacrest, who produces) has basically sold their fat asses with shock value.

The KKK’s remind me of that scene in Godfather II where Michael and Freddo are in Cuba and they watch the live show of a darky with an implied large penis having sex with a tied up woman by force, to the delight of the crowd. Very quickly after, the decadence of Cuba collapses.

* Steve, if the answer to every question is “the Jews” then you believe in magic and superstition, not science and logic. And the world is filled with devils where 2 + 2 equals four sometimes, and seven others.

Obsessing over the female form has been around since the Greeks, and Pompeii is filled with various bawdy mosaics. One of the first uses of the printing press was, after the Bible, yes pornography.

Lesbians are gonna be man-hating, no surprise there. And there have always been White women with Jungle Fever, see the Melungeons, descendants of White women and Black men mating in the late 1600s according to DNA analysis.

So why the pulpit to angry Lesbians denouncing White guys? And why the worship of trashy White women emulating the Melungeon ancestors?

I’d submit logic and reason suggest that this is a structural change; that rather than “the Jews” you have: A. radically delayed marriage among men and women. B. Radically reduced rates of marriage overall among men and women. C. Independent female earnings. D. Vastly increased female status. E. the steroidal effect of female-oriented mass consumer advertising.

White urban single women have a lot of beefs with their male peers, mostly to do with their peers not being sexy enough (this means not enough status differential, not enough high status men) and this feeds through everything. Rather than “the Jews” and a world of dark magic, the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, and mass consumer advertising seem to blame.

Its worse because America’s traditions and cultures are so varied among Whites; and the unified American culture blending the Deep South, Altantic South/Tidewater, New England, Far West, and Midlands culture is really only Post-War prosperity. Its not like Japan with 600 year old cooking schools or Switzerland where they’ve had night watchmen on cathedrals calling out every hour since the 1500′s.

Angry man-hating Lesbians get column space because their beefs with White men resonate deeply with most White single urban straight women disappointed at the scarcity of high status guys and the plentitude of Dilbert and Wally. Jungle fever female celebs are worshiped because they present an alternative to the Dilberts and Wallys. At least in fantasy.

Most of the celebs that crop up in the gossip mags and TV shows form a fantasy aristocracy for female consumers, with various morality lessons: “good girl” Jennifer Aniston “had her man stolen” by that “evil, man-stealing” Angelina Jolie, etc. and is looking for a baby and husband (despite no evidence of desire for either in real life); the Kardashians are just trashy semi-aristocrats of the new model that women can fantasize about; a Kardashian on the cover of a magazine tends to out-sell non-Kardashians, and Kim the big butt one seems to sell the most.

What’s wrong with the West is not “the Jews” and some idiot conspiracy spanning generations like an episode of “Grimm” on NBC, but the disconnect between White men and women caused by reproductive technology and post-industrial office job society. And there is no ghost dance, no exorcism, no magical quick fix for any of that. [I’ll note that female readers can’t get enough of a Dan Brown type magical centuries old conspiracy, because it feeds emotions not thought.]

We live in a cartoon world because its one catering to female consumers, who are mostly not married and look forward to at best, single motherhood if that.

* Sontag was a strange case. In some ways, she saw herself as a feminist pioneer, but she didn’t want to be part of the movement. Also, she was crazy about her image as she has striking features. She loved photography and was fascinated with pornography. She liked to be objectified as a beautiful intellectual.

* Jews like Anthony Weiner act like total sex lunatics but also moralize and pontificate like they’re out of the Torah.

* Jewish female envy of ‘shiksappeal’ sounds reasonable. Successful Jewish men being attracted by the looks of pretty gentile white women: that sounds reasonable too, though they’re certainly not alone in that. But Jewish men using black men as a cudgel against white men? That sounds like fantasy.

Going back to the early 20th Century, Jews founded the NAACP for the same reason gentile abolitionists opposed slavery in the previous century: because they thought the treatment of blacks was wrong. But, for the most part, there wasn’t reciprocation by black Americans (see, for example, Norman Podhoretz on growing up with black neighbors in the 1930s – http://www.lukeford.net/Images/photos/out.pdf ).

Among elite blacks, such as MLK, relations with Jews were warmer up until the mid-1960s. But blacks grew to resent Jewish assistance in civil rights and their identification with the global left, combined with the global left’s rejection of Israel after the Six-Day War, expanded the rift between black and Jewish communities in the US. Since then, there hasn’t been much love lost between them.

* The Jew versus Jew struggle goes farther back and is simmering all the time. The Haskala is a 300 year old civil war between Orthodox Jews (OJ) and assimilationist Jews (AJ). The OJs are ruled by rabbis who enforce extreme segregation between men and women. Women are temptresses and their sexuality must be tightly controlled. Hence OJ women ride at the back of the bus in OJ areas of Brooklyn, New Jersey, New York, and Israel where men cannot see them and be tempted away from prayer and worship. Even their naked forearms drive these men crazy, as this sign shows. Internet access, TV and radio are routinely blocked. Women get no American education beyond a second or third grade level. Certainly no English language learning, children’s books or anything similar. Yiddish is spoken (after 100 years in America) but little English.

The OJ Jewish patriarchy is both frightened and enraged at women who step outside these limits, and will excise these women (and their families) from the community.

But there is guilt, too. AJs know on a subliminal level that extreme oppression of OJ women is a major reason that Jews still exist after 2000 years of mixing with the goyim in Exile. If it were it not for the ignorance, lack of opportunity and hyper-fecundity of OJ women, there would be no pool of Jews from which OJ women could defect and become AJ women. Therefore AJ women pull back from attacking OJ men directly, and displace their inner anger at the OJ patriarchy upon ALL men.

Think of it this way. Imagine your typical liberal Episcopalians (EPs) did not accept Christian converts. Imagine America was 95% Muslim and Hindu. Imagine that 2% of EPs were marrying Muslims and/or converting to Islam every year.

The ONLY way EPs could increase their shrinking numbers is by encouraging fallen-away fundamentalist Christians to start going to Episcopal churches. How eager do you think Episcopalians would be to beat on fundie Christians as fundie Christians for brainwashing fundie women to stay dumb, make tons of babies and be housewives? Not very. As an EP church you NEED some of those fundie Christians (the one who have fallen away) to keep your church from evaporating.

Jews inhabit a very odd psychic space, rife with projection and displacement. Of course they could all make aliyah and their problems would be instantly solved, but who wants to give up all the cash and comfort they now have in Exile?

* You have described the life of the ultra-Orthodox Jews (haredim and hasidim), not all Orthodox Jews. Modern Orthodox Jews get more secular education and often follow secular careers. They are not as fecund as the ultra-Orthodox but are moreso than secular, Reform or Conservative Jews. Aliyah wouldn’t solve all Jews’ problems because Israel has always faced and will always face existential threats to its existence as long as it survives. No one can be sure that Israel will last another 100 years. There are also a small number of ultra-Orthodox Jews (neturei karta) who do not accept Israel as a legitimate state because it was not founded as a religious state in the messianic age.

* Another example of the lack of interest white men have traditionally had in “black women and their bodies” is the fact that National Geographic used to show topless pictures of African women for decades in a time when pictures of topless white, Middle Eastern or Asian women would have had white teenagers “retiring to their bunks”. Naked African women were curiosities, like whale penises or dogs humping in the road, but it never crossed our minds to be sexually interested in them.

* Jews go from zero to hysterical when confronted with any hint of whites contemplating for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel and the diaspora because on some level (it varies) they know they’re in a culture war and they know their power is based entirely on heathen (“gentile”) consent. It wouldn’t take much to break the back of that power.

* Please consider that the lack of tribalism for the whites is a problem for which a solution does not seem to be at hand. One can’t really put a white tribe together, except maybe in a South African type situation. We (whites) are repelled by the idea of thinking in tribal terms. It is backward; primitive. However, the future of the US is going to be multi-racial and multi-cultural and we(whites) are going to be tossed here and there as individuals.

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Politico’s Unpublished Vox Day Interview

LINK:

Do you expect your writing will gain more traction in Washington during the Trump administration than it has in recent years?

I would tend to think so. Considering that I publicly predicted both the 2008 financial crisis and the Trump presidency long before they happened, it would seem to make sense to pay attention to those commentators utilizing effective predictive models rather than those that have proven repeatedly false. Regardless of what people think about it, it is increasingly obvious that the Alt-Right is the only philosophical perspective that is in line with both current science and the present historical trends.

Have you been to DC since Election Day? Are you planning to spend more time in DC during the Trump administration ? (I’m not sure where you’re based)

No, I haven’t been there in years. And I have no intention of going there in the future.

Do you or other intellectuals you’re in touch with have plans for building a lasting political movement?

I have absolutely no interest in building a political movement, ephemeral or lasting. I am solely interested in writing books, designing games, and understanding what is true to the greatest extent of my ability to recognize it. While some of the people with whom I am in touch are actively involved in politics, and I support their efforts, that’s just not something in which I’m interested. My parents were involved in politics and that exposure was sufficient to dissuade me from it.

What was your parents’ political involvement and how did it dissuade you from pursuing politics?

They were heavily involved in Minnesota politics and were both delegates at the 1988 RNC. My father also ran Pat Robertson’s presidential campaign in Minnesota and was close with Ralph Reed and the Christian Coalition. What I saw in the inner circles of the Republican Party was that with a few principled exceptions, most of the establishment figures cared about nothing but influence and money. They viewed ideology as something to keep the rubes occupied.

That’s why Donald Trump smoked the GOP establishment so badly. He listened to the people and embraced their causes. The professional Republicans had been tuning them out for at least 28 years.

Plans to set up think tanks or run candidates for office or set up other political infrastructure?

None at all.

Do you have thoughts or plans on how to gain wider acceptance for ideas that are currently treated as taboo?

Reality has a way of imposing itself on societal taboos. Identity politics are upon the USA whether we like them or not. Acceptance for the Alt-Right perspective will occur due to the continued failures of liberalism and conservatism alike, as it is already obvious to anyone who is paying attention that the idea of a shiny happy multicultural, multireligious America is a complete and utter failure. How much more failure has to happen before people reluctantly abandon their false philosophical models cannot be known, but we know that sooner or later, they will.

In other words, we don’t have to do anything but continue to point out the obvious to everyone, and eventually, inevitably, the sane and stable elements of the America public will come to accept it.

COMMENTS:

* A beautiful response, and it is now entirely apparent why they wouldn’t touch the thing with a ten foot pole.

* Dude… the answers you gave him probably scared the living crap out of him.

But the whole “alt-right comes to washington” idea is false on its face. Think tanks?

I mean is this supposed to be 1978 or something?

The world is decentralized. The Alt-Right is decentralized.

To quote the old facebook lady… That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works!

* Vox is just a check box on a list of people to provoke evil badthink comments from they can shriek at and use to generate click bait. Actual intelligent engagement and learning about him or any of the alt-right is not on their radar.

* I also find it odd that groups that have gotten ahead by having an in-group identity preference, hate the idea of other groups doing the same, in particular the white majority that formed this very nice place to live in the first place.

* Even though you may not enjoy spending time answering these people, Vox, I think you’re doing a great work by posting up these posts. It lands another blow on the media’s credibility the more it’s displayed just how two-faced they are with interviews.

And we all know that the media lives and dies on credibility.

* From his questions you can see he that he only thinks in terms of setting up think tanks, running candidates for office, building a political movement.

He is not able to grasp that a guy with a blog/website/youtube channel can have more influence these days than an entire political movement with think tanks and candidates, as long as this guy has the right ideas and is able to identify the prevailing trends in history, science and identity politics.

* Ironic reply considering the rumor Jared Kushner is working with Mike Cernovich and a few others to destroy the Alt-Right from within.

This is why Cernovich helped doxx The Right Stuff and other shitlords…

The Alt-Right were just like the Sturmabteilung… useful right until they were not, then it’s purge time.

For good or ill, Trump used the Alt-Right as pawns. Now Trump is working through his Jewish son-in-law to crush the Alt-Right totally. It could be a smart move.

PS: The next one to get doxxed will be Ricky Vaughn. Watch and see.

* I actually thought this article was decent. It captured several of the inner movements and tensions going on among the Right these days. I think it benefited from the reporter not seeming to really understand what he was studying, so he ended up passing along more unvarnished perspective from his interviewees than normal (if he had understood more, I think he would have fit more into his pre-chosen categories–he did enough of that as it was.)

Of course, for an article purporting to be about how the “alt-right is coming to Washington”, it actually included little about those who consider themselves alt-right and less about figures trying to set up shop in Washington. And the swipe at VD for only responding in writing and then not including any of the answers was cowardly. But I’ve seen worse.

* 1 – a strong in group preference, by default, indicates a strong out group DISpreference. otherwise there would be no basis for the in group or a preference for it

2 – IF you prefer the success of your ingroup over the outgroup THEN you will try to implement policies and social norms which hobble the outgroup against which you are competing

3 – when you are the foreigner and tiny minority, this means implementing policies and norms harmful to the majority and native culture

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Why Were Jews Banned From Some Country Clubs?

Comments at Steve Sailer:

* What behavior of Jews caused restriction from country clubs?
Were they bad golfers?
Did they act poorly in the club house? How so?
Did they act inappropriately in the dining room? How so?
How was German Jew behavior different from Eastern European Jew behavior?
Was there some desired etiquette or standard to maintain?
Are there traits that arise from life in the shtetl that take time to reverse?
American life describes impacts of high school, and Ostjuden life describes impacts of shtetl each one with psyche scars if true.

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Forward: ‘The ‘Alt-Right’ Hates the Jews. But It Also Loves Them — and Israel.’

Sam Kestenbaum writes a decent article:

When Rabbi Matt Rosenberg went to a speech presented by one of the country’s leading white nationalists, he hoped to make a statement about the power of Judaism. During a question-and-answer session after the talk, Rosenberg, who heads Hillel at Texas A&M, asked Richard Spencer, the self-styled ambassador of the “alt-right,” whether the two could sit down and study together.

“My tradition teaches a message of radical inclusion and love,” Rosenberg said. “Will you sit town and learn Torah with me, and learn love?”

“Do you really want radical inclusion into the State of Israel?” Spencer asked, a smile spreading across his face. “And by that I mean radical inclusion. Maybe all of the Middle East could go move into Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. Would you really want that?”

Rosenberg fell silent. Spencer did not. He went on, saying the Jewish people have prevailed because they resist assimilation — and he respected that.

“Jews exist precisely because you did not assimilate,” he said. “I respect that about you. I want my people to have that same sense of themselves.” The two men were speaking about different Jewish paradigms: Jews as nation versus Jews as citizens of the world. One of them Spencer praised; the other he sneered at.

This is an excellent opening that cuts to the nub of things — while different groups often have conflicting interests, all groups have an interest in developing their own destiny, unity, strength and cohesion without negative influence by outsiders and this building up always requires the making of barriers against out-groups.

Spencer says his dream of building a “white ethno-state” is “very similar to how Jews conceive of Israel.” He even describes his vision as something like “white Zionism.”

Spencer’s complicated relationship with Jews is illustrative. In the sprawling and divided world of the “alt-right” there are multiple factions. All groups imagine whites as an embattled group, whose white power and control is under threat from non-whites. But they are divided on the next part: Are Jews an enemy to the white nation, a model to emulate, or some combination?

In a glossy promotional video for Spencer’s organization, the National Policy Institute, a pro-Israel march flashes across the screen as Spencer reads aloud, “At a time when every other people is asserting its own [identity]… are we ready to become who we are?”

‘Jesus Christ Was A Jewish Klansman.’

Spencer isn’t the first white separatist to hold seemingly contradictory views on the Jews. Earlier white supremacists like the Ku Klux Klan had a similar love-hate relationship; Spencer and his cohort are building on these foundations.

In a 1926 tract on “religious and patriotic ideals,” one KKK-affiliated minister praised Jews as “a wonderful people,” particularly the way in which they have maintained the “purity of their racial blood, refusing to intermarry with other races.”

Do Jews ever have conflicting feelings about gentiles? The Forward writer acts as though it is shocking that a non-Jewish group has different reactions to Jews depending on time, place and circumstance.

Years ago, before his David Duke affiliations, “Hail Trump” Nazi salutes and rise to fame amid the campaign of Donald Trump, Spencer attended elite private schools in Dallas. Some of his classmates and friends were Jewish.

“The Jews were the kids that told me Santa Claus wasn’t real. They were kind of nerdy and little different,” Spencer said. “I didn’t have any major problems with them.”

Spencer didn’t reflect too much on Jewishness or on race at all.

He was a dedicated student, and in 2005, Spencer entered a doctoral program at Duke University, studying European intellectual history.

But he dropped out, his website reads, “to pursue a life of thought-crime.”

He had flirted with far-right ideology, but in the next years he would make a more dramatic shift. “I knew there was something wrong with the world,” Spencer told the Forward. “I began rethinking everything.”

In 2010 he founded a website called AlternativeRight.com and around the same time took the helm at the NPI think-tank, which is “dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of people of European descent in the United States.”

Among his influences he cites Jared Taylor, the white nationalist editor of the website American Renaissance, which describes itself as the “premier race-realist site” on the internet. An early mentor of Spencer’s, Paul Gottfried, the inventor of the term “alternative right,” is Jewish and is a graduate of Yeshiva University.

Taylor describes himself as a “white advocate,” but he has made clear that he has no problem working with Jews; one time, he even banned discussion of the so-called “Jewish question” from online forums associated with American Renaissance.

And Spencer has said he respects some Jewish nationalists, including the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu.

“I would say, if I were to have a beer with Netanyahu I bet we would agree on everything. I think we would see eye to eye,” Spencer said. “If I had a beer with Jon Stewart, he would be horrified and I would be annoyed.”

Spencer’s “white ethno state” is his long-term goal. It’s just a dream, he says, and he’s not sure how to get there. But he evokes the success of the Zionist project. His white “homeland,” he said, would be “very similar to how Jews conceive of Israel.”

That’s a fair summary.

Israel’s founding document, its Declaration of Independence, while declaring the country a Jewish state, also made a “striking embrace of all peoples and religions,” said Jonathan Sarna, professor of American Jewish history at Brandeis University.

“It would be difficult to square that with the notion of a white nation,” Sarna said. “That is the very opposite of what the white nationalists want.”

For “alt-right” members who see Zionism in a positive light of sorts, it may have little to do with the country of Israel itself.

“For a lot of people, Israel is a Rorschach test test,” Sarna said. “What they see in Israel tells us more about them than it does about Israel.”

Spencer compares himself to pre-state Zionist thinkers, seeing his role as a dreamer — not necessarily as someone who would build his whites-only nation, but one who would lay conceptual groundwork for a state.

“A similar thing could be said of Jews. Jews were imagining Zionism there is a Jewish state in the Middle East,” Spencer said in a radio interview with the website Reveal. “You have to dream it before you build it.” he said, trying his hand at a very Herzlian-sounding mantra.

There “is often talk about ‘Zionism’ as being a horrible evil that intends to take over the world,” author Brett Stevens wrote in August on the website Alternative-right.blogpost.com, “forgetting that Zionism is an assertion of Nationalism — the idea that Jews need their own state, and all Jews belong there, where they can control their destiny and live according to their ways.”

Torah makes no room for non-Jewish citizenship in the Jewish state. Meir Kahane’s proposed legislation to criminalize sex between Jews and non-Jews is basic Torah. Every accomplished group has beliefs about separating from out-groups. Israel’s “striking embrace of all peoples and religions” is a bit of a delusion. Israel is a Jewish state run in the interests of Jews. Most Israelis wish that the Palestinians would disappear. “Death to the Arabs” is a popular chant in Israel.

Is the Jewish state stronger for providing citizenship to two million Arabs who hate it? That doesn’t make sense. What percentage of Israelis would prefer to have no Arabs in Israel? A majority, I would think.

Still, Spencer’s admiration for Jews is mixed with repulsion — particularly the belief that Jews have played a negative and outsize role in the decline of white civilization. And this attitude can be found across the contemporary white nationalist camp, which is beset with internecine disputes.

He calls the so-called “Jewish question” (or “JQ,” in contemporary “alt-right” lingo) among the most “complicated and difficult” topics for white nationalists. The term “Jewish question” of course has its roots in Nazi Germany, whose leaders gathered on the shores of Lake Wannsee outside Berlin to plan the “Final Solution to the Jewish Question in Europe.”

The Jewish Question had its roots in Europe more than a hundred years before the Nazis came to power.

He sees some liberal Jews, like the Texan rabbi, as “duplicitous,” presenting their case in “gooey, universalistic” terms. “I think it is easy to understand black crime, illegal immigrants, that’s in your face,” Spencer said. “But the Jewish question is extremely complicated.”

Indeed, the question of just how the “alt-right” should relate to Jews is a frequent fault line among Spencer’s followers and fellow travelers.

In December, the divergent views of the “alt-right” on Jews came to a head after online personality Tim Treadstone (better known as “Baked Alaska”) was booted from an upcoming “alt-right” inauguration event called the Deploraball after a series of tweets he wrote about the media being “run in majority by Jewish people.”

“Alt-right” personality Mike Cernovich, the event’s organizer, was worried that Treadstone’s anti-Semitism would undermine the growing political influence of the “alt-right” after Trump’s win. “No Nazi salutes, no JQ bullshit,” Cernovich wrote privately to Treadstone, scolding him and removing him from the event bill shortly thereafter. Paul Joseph Watson, an editor of the conspiracist website Infowars, which is also associated with the “alt-right,” described the “two ‘alt-rights.’”

One likes to wear Trump hats, “create memes & have fun,” he wrote in a public Facebook post. “The other faction likes to fester in dark corners of subreddits and obsess about Jews, racial superiority and Adolf Hitler.”

Wow, just wow. Non-Jews have differing reactions to Jews, just as Jews have differing reactions to non-Jews. Who would have thought?

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Neo-Nazi Blogger Mike Enoch Quits Over Revelation His Wife Is Jewish

I don’t recall Mike Enoch talking about killing Jews. The JTA couldn’t quote any examples of such genocidal rhetoric. I wonder if they just made that up, just like they lied about Enoch Powell being a Nazi sympathizer.

Shoddy shoddy journalism as usual from JTA.

We need a strong man to make the Jewish press great again.

Enoch Powell’s Wikipedia:

During his time in Australia as a professor, he grew increasingly angry at the appeasement of Nazi Germany and what he saw as a betrayal of British national interests. After Neville Chamberlain’s first visit to Adolf Hitler at Berchtesgaden, Powell wrote in a letter to his parents of 18 September 1938:

I do here in the most solemn and bitter manner curse the Prime Minister of England [sic] for having cumulated all his other betrayals of the national interest and honour, by his last terrible exhibition of dishonour, weakness and gullibility. The depths of infamy to which our accurst “love of peace” can lower us are unfathomable.[6]:47

In another letter to his parents in June 1939, before the beginning of war, Powell wrote: “It is the English, not their Government; for if they were not blind cowards, they would lynch Chamberlain and Halifax and all the other smarmy traitors”.[6]:53 At the outbreak of war, Powell immediately returned to Britain, but not before buying a Russian dictionary, since he thought “Russia would hold the key to our survival and victory, as it had in 1812 and 1916”.

(JTA):

The founder of the popular right-wing blog post The Right Stuff resigned over the revelation that his wife is Jewish.

Mike Enoch, who also co-hosts “The Daily Shoah” weekly podcast, was outed over the weekend as Mike Peinovich, a website developer from New York. On the podcast, which has about 100,000 regular listeners, Peinovich as Enoch talked about killing Jews and spouted neo-Nazi invective.

The release of Peinovich’s personal details came after the identities of the other podcast panelists were made public earlier in the week by a rival website called 8chan. The invented surname reportedly is a reference to Enoch Powell, a far-right British politician and Nazi sympathizer.

Enoch was considered one of the three most influential figures in the “alt-right” movement along with Daily Stormer creator Andrew Anglin and Richard Spencer, president of the National Policy Institute, a white supremacist think tank. Spencer is a co-creator of the alt-right label, which describes a far-right movement whose followers traffic variously in white nationalism, anti-immigration sentiment, anti-Semitism and a disdain for “political correctness.”

Peinovich came clean with readers of The Right Stuff, posting a message in a password-protected forum that was reprinted in part by Salon.

“As I am sure you all know, I was doxxed and an ill advised attempt to fool the media about my identity led me to not talk to you people and to try to simply ride it out by being silent,” he said. “This was irresponsible and a disservice to all of you. Yes my wife is who they say she is, I won’t even bother denying it, I won’t bother making excuses. If this makes you want to leave the movement, or to have nothing to do with TRS, then I understand.

“Don’t lie for me. Don’t try to defend me to those attacking me. Don’t jeopardize your own reputation by defending things that you don’t think you can. I could try to explain my whole life for the last ten years to you but what difference at this point would it make. Life isn’t perfect.”

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