It feels delicious watching the experts squirm as the night goes on. They were so confident of Hillary victory at the beginning, and then totally humiliated after 8pm PST.
Around 9 pm PST, Tom Brokaw says audibly: “I have to go home and take my meds.” It was painful looking at him. He was way too frail to be on the air.
Many of my Jewish friends are freaked out by the Alt-Right and by the antics above. They see this behavior as evil.
I think that’s a normal and healthy reaction. These Alt-Righers are proving their anti-social and self-destructive character.
So should the Alt Right disavow the Nazi salute? Only if they want to thrive. If they are bent on self-destruction, they should keep flipping Romans.
Meaning is always determined by context. Every act takes place at a certain time and place. By flipping a Nazi salute in America in 2016, you are deliberately burning your bridges with your society. Which animals are more vulnerable? Those inside the herd or those outside the herd? Few people thrive when they burn their bridges with society.
On an abstract level, you can argue that you should not allow outsiders to determine what rituals you perform, but the wise man takes everything into account, including the views of outsiders. If the opposition is sufficiently intense, you don’t invite it unnecessarily. These salutes at NPI were self-destruction. More profoundly, they reflected a self-destruction that dominated prior to the acts.
On an abstract level, you can argue that if you are Jewish, and you can get away with it, you don’t let outsiders determine what you say and do and which rituals you perform. Similarly, if you are authentic to being Alt-Right, you don’t let outsiders determine what you say and do, and that includes the Roman salute.
From an outside perspective, many of Jewish rituals, prayers, teachings, and laws are horrifying. From a Jewish perspective, the Nazi salute is horrifying. But if you are strong in your in-group identity, be it Jewish or Alt-Right, you don’t bow to the preferences of outsiders. You might even get energy from defying outsiders. That’s how social identity works on one level. On another level, if you are doing things that the people around you find abhorrent, your life becomes ten times harder. Why inflict that on yourself when there are wiser choices?
If you believe in your religion, other religions, at best, will seem wacky and weird. Most likely, they will appear evil. If you are white or asian or black or Mexican, you most likely will feel most comfortable with your own kind and you will likely feel some discomfort around other races.
For people who believe that they view the world through a moral lens, such as the Anglo countries of America, Canada, England and Australia, anything associated with Nazism is evil, but for most of the world, Hitler is simply a guy who lost a war.
The Nazi “Heil Hitler” salute isn’t really a Nazi salute. It is a Roman salute that has been around for about 2,000 years.
People flipping “Heil Hitlers” sometimes want to commit genocide, just as some people who say “Shmai Yisrael” or “Jesus saves” or “Allahu Akhbar” want to wipe out their enemies.
Most people in America who identify as Alt-Right or neo-Nazi have no hatred for pygmies because pygmies don’t live among them. Pygmies do them no harm. Pygmies live somewhere else.
When you have diverse peoples living in the same place, that sometimes leads to thriving and at other times, it leads to conflict, hatred and often tragedy.
What would lead to the mass slaughter of Jews is when non-Jews see it as in their self-interest to be rid of Jews. For instance, many Arabs and Muslims in the Middle East see it as in their self-interest to end the Jewish state.
Hatred of Jews like hatred of Muslims and hatred of Christians and hatred of blacks and hatred of every group stems from conflicts of interest. For instance, the more Christian America gets, the more vulnerable Jews and other non-Christians living in America become. The more Jewish Israel gets, the more vulnerable and the more marginalized non-Jews living in Israel become. The Japanese Japan becomes, the more vulnerable non-Japanese living in Japan become. There are no good guys and bad guys (except when looking through the eyes of faith). There are only conflicts of interest and inevitable results of social identity theory (the more you identify with your in-group, the more likely you are to despite out-groups). The stronger a white man’s white identity, the more likely he is to have negative views of non-whites. The stronger a Jew’s Jewish identity, the more likely he is to have negative views of non-Jews. The stronger a Christian’s Christian identity, the more likely he is to feel negatively towards non-Christians. I grew up a strong Christian and I was socialized to believe that non-Christians were bad, sad, and lost. I grew up in Australia and was socialized to believe that if you weren’t Australian, you were bad, sad and lost. To have some feelings of fear and hate for anyone who is not a part of your group is a universal inclination.
For Jews, for Anglos, for people outraged by the Nazis, the Roman salute is a celebration of evil. For most of the world, it’s just a salute. The Nazis are just a group that lost a war.
Looking at the world where there are good guys and bad guys requires a leap of faith. All objective morality requires a leap of faith. Without this leap of faith, there are no good guys and no bad guys in the world. There are just different forms of life struggling for survival and competing over scarce resources. That is the only objective way at looking at the world.
Are Donald Trump, Steve Bannon and the Alt-Right a bunch of Nazis? No. Only Germans can be Nazis. Are these folks nationalists? Yes. They want their form of life to survive and to prosper and to control lots of important resources.
The Alt-Right is a gateway drug to white nationalism, which by definition is racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic. This does not have to be scary for Jews and non-whites. It simply means that whites are asserting their self-interest.
In certain contexts, all groups should be xenophobic, and in other contexts, they should be more inviting. If a Jew does not have some negative sentiments towards Christianity and Islam, in some contexts, he’s an unhealthy Jew. If a Christian does not have some negative sentiments towards other religions, in some contexts, he’s not a healthy Christian. If a white man does not have some negative feelings about other races, in some contexts, he’s not healthy. If a black man does not have some negative feelings about other races, in some contexts, he’s not healthy.
Ari: And what group do you consider yourself a part of?
Luke: We are all parts of many different groups. I consider myself Orthodox Jewish, genetically Anglo-Saxon, American, Australian, a man, a Californian, etc.
Ari: “For the people that count – normal Christian Whites – it’s a creepy, at best awkward anachronism.”
Luke: I agree. But this is primarily a PR question, right? Making it primarily a moral question is arguing about faith, which is silly.
Ari: “Well, it’s a PR problem inasmuch as most people – including those the Alt Right is trying to reach – view it as a moral problem. And it’s a moral problem inasmuch as the Alt Right is morally right, and mistakes when moral stakes are high are condemnable.”
“IMO, objective facts about morality are facts about whether or not rational individuals are behaving in an evolutionarily fit way.”
I first ask, “What’s good for the Jews?” It would be weird and unhealthy if goyim didn’t first ask — what’s good for goyim?
The world is neither with us nor against us. It is just raw material in our hands.
All faith is by definition subjective. Objective analysis requires the absence of faith.
Ari: “Objectively, Kaepernick is a good person – he’s advocating for his race, which is fit. But I’m also right to view him as my enemy.”
Luke: “Totally! Much better to have friend/enemy distinction a la Carl Schmitt when it comes to politics, not good/evil. The distinction between good and evil depends upon faith in a transcendent source of morality a la religion.”
Ari: “On my view, competing programs can both be right. Take the Israel issue. Both Jews and Arabs would be *wrong* to give up the land.”
Luke: “Yes! A healthy Arab/Muslim should want to destroy the Jewish state, just as a healthy Jew will do whatever is needed to live.”
Most Israelis want all their enemies to disappear, most Arabs and Muslims want the same. It is a universal human instinct and it leads to genocide.
Ari: “One wonders about a geir constantly reminding the goyim of their reasons to be antisemitic.”
Luke: The Jewish Establishment in the diaspora is on a suicidal path and I am screaming, “Stop the Multiculti! It’s not Torah. It’s not Judaism. It’s not in the interests of Jews or of goyim.” We need to reduce our conflicts with the West, particularly the Anglo nations that have been so good for us. Jews have never had it so good as we have had it in America, England, Australia, and Canada.
Over the past 15 years, I have increasingly made more of my spending on Amazon.com. I like the prices and the convenience. I now get my groceries via Amazon Fresh. Today my delivery was late. I complained and got a quick reply, including this: “To make this right I am going to refund your order and issue a $30.00 promo to your account, you will see your refund in 3-5 business days, however you can still expect to receive your order today.”
I am happy.
@lukeford Spencer is way too nice here, but his gentility in letting Martin ramble on and on only increases the entertainment value
— Ari Ben Canaan (@ari_bencanaan) November 25, 2016
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— JTA | Jewish news (@JTAnews) November 25, 2016
A goy asks:
Seems to me that an honest Christianity must be anti-Jewish. Don’t you think? The Old Testament is so unchristian. So tribal. Yet all the Christians I know are super deferential to Judaism. I don’t mean it should be antisemitic… but as a Christian, I shouldn’t hesitate to tweet, “wow, the Old Testament is insane–fake news!”
Did Jews make Christians weak or were there other causes? And couldn’t Christians figure out ways of not being susceptible to Jewish subversion? Or is there something vulnerable implicit in Christianity that allows Judaism to corrode it?
I wish America would become so diverse and so anti white that they would give whites some reservations to live on all alone in the prairie.
On top of my blog, I post this comment: “Anti-Semitism is as natural to Western civilization as anti-Christianity is to Jewish civilization, Islamic civilization and Japanese civilization.”
When Christianity is dominant in a country (such as Europe in the 12-15th centuries), Jews tend to be weak and vulnerable. When Jews are strong (such as America post 1960), Christianity tends to be weaker than it was (prior to 1960).
I’d guess that w/o OT, Christianity would be too weak and pacifistic to be palatable to most Christians.
Violent OT scenes like Joshua at Jericho, wars against Philistines, etc. have always been very popular in Protestant liturgy.
Tribal Judean monotheism may add some desirable yin to the peaceful, universalist-monotheist yang of Christianity.
UNKNOWN: Mr. President-elect, I wanted to ask you, there was a conference this past weekend in Washington of people who pledged their allegiance to Nazism.
TRUMP: Boy, you are really into this stuff, huh?
PRIEBUS: I think we answered that one right off the bat.
UNKNOWN: Are you going to condemn them?
TRUMP: Of course I did, of course I did.
PRIEBUS: He already did.
UNKNOWN: Are you going to do it right now?
TRUMP: Oh, I see, maybe you weren’t here. Sure. Would you like me to do it here? I’ll do it here. Of course I condemn. I disavow and condemn.
COMMENTS:
* My impression is that Trump doesn’t much care and the press is just flinging some mud at Trump to see if it will stick. And between them neither party has actually looked into alt-right.
As a practical business guy Trump knows quite well that different groups have different tendencies and that some of those groups can be identified by race. But beyond that he also knows that any kind of hint of race this-or-that is deadly, so he does not want to get into it, sees it as a distraction. Which for the press is what it is.
* So if that was the full transcript then it’s yet another example of the God-Emperor’s effortless shitlordery. To my knowledge there is nobody in the media who is his match.
* Notice the language: “lurked”, “dark corners”, “screeds”, “ominous”, “extremist”, “bowels”, “autopsy”, “grim future”, “white nationalist”, “rebranded version of the Ku Klux Klan”, “suppression”…
* Donald Trump, as nearly as I can divine, still believes in some form of American civic nationalism; he does not support white nationalism and is probably mostly puzzled by it. A partition of the U.S., with a portion being a white homeland is probably inconceivable, and highly unpatriotic, for him. What is interesting is that the New York Times equates Donald Trump with the Alt-Right; it is the reason that they hate and fear a man that they otherwise derided as a clown and a buffoon. Donald Trump has, possibly without knowing and intending it, ignited white racial consciousness and given it a focus. Whites sense that they are being racially dispossessed from their homeland, although most of them can’t yet articulate it in those terms. But they somehow believe that Trump is on their side, which may or may not be true (I hope it is), and he may or may not be able to deliver; given the forces arrayed against him, I fear that he will fail, although not for lack of trying. One of the interviewees in the Times’s article correctly articulates why the Alt-Right celebrates the victory of Donald Trump: it gives us time to raise the consciousness of white people and limit the migration of non-whites into the U.S. A Hillary Clinton victory would have flooded the U.S. with non-whites before white racial consciousness was raised sufficiently to offer effective resistance.
* Maybe Americans tired of the SJW screeching which is turning our colleges into a PC nightmare, graduating wimps who have no idea how hard the real world is, but the Times will hold their hand.
Maybe Americans tired of seeing our teen daughters encouraged to dress like hookers and act like they’re in heat, because that’s so kewl, while we worried about the mind-numbing propaganda telling our teen sons to try homosexuality, you might like it!
Americans finally woke up and realized that our culture, our land, our religion and moral code was under attack from those that ‘lurk’ in dark corners.
* How much was spent for the NPI meeting?
How much is spent for AIPAC conferences?
How much damage has NPI done to the world? Did it call for wars, invasions, and sanctions on other nations? I think not. I don’t think NPI has any politician or institution under its wing. White Nationalists have done zero damage to the world since the end of the Cold War. All the new wars waged by the US have been cooked by Neocons and Liberal Zionists by pulling the strings of the shabbos goyim. And think of all the Wall Street robbery and manipulations that enriched the 1% over everyone else. Look at the power on Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, Ivy League, and DC, and none of it has to do with white identity or white nationalism. Wars and the looting of the world was carried out by the Globalists, not nationalists. If anything, nationalism has been the most effective instrument against total-Jewish-supremacist-globalism.
AIPAC owns all the presidents and all the politicians. Its agenda has destroyed entire nations and regions.
Yet, NYT doesn’t call AIPAC ‘Jewish nationalist’ or ‘Jewish supremacist’. It finds nothing strange or weird about all US politicians hailing Israel to high heaven and shedding zero tears about Palestinians who are far more oppressed than blacks under Apartheid.
It finds nothing wrong with 98% of Americans being pressured to support and praise the nationalist and even supremacist agenda of the globalist 2%.
NYT is okay with the Jewish elephant trampling the entire world but freaks out about the white mouse that wants its voice heard.
But then, this fear is understandable. Jews are the mouse with elephant power, whereas whites are the elephant with mouse power. According to the Narrative, serving and pandering to Jews is what America is all about, but voicing any interest in favor of white identity is eeeeevil.
Jews and white gentiles are like British imperialist elites and the native masses in India. Brits were the mouse with elephant power while the Hindu masses were the demographic elephant with mouse power…. that is until they began to speak up and resist. (This is why Jews are so eager to destroy any gentile majority in all nations. It is united gentile unity that has been the bane of Jewish supremacist takeover. Jews promote Diversity in the US not out of love for Muslims or anyone else. After all, the Jewish agenda calls for more wars and more mass destruction for the Muslim world. Jews simply want Muslims in EU and US to use them against the white majority. So, the very people whose agenda has killed millions of Muslims[and other non-whites] are inviting Muslims to the West as a battering ram against white people.) If Jews love Diversity, why do they insist on keeping Israel as Jewish as possible?
Jews are the 2% mouse with elephantine powers, and whites are the majority elephant that has been forced to hide behind the wall. But when the real elephant awakens and gains elephant power, the real mouse will have to hide in the hole.
Anyway, the MSM highlighted the Alt Right to use it to smear Trump. They thought Alt Right would act like a bunch of Neo-Nazis, but in fact, most Alt Right people made cogent and sensible arguments. MSM realized how their smear campaign had backfired. Alt Right didn’t take the bait and act like Hollywood KKK or Nazis. They spoke more truth than the MSM.
So, now the MSM is reversing its policy and trying to shut down all Alt Right voices.
* KSM admitted a long time ago that the gang wanted to do terrorist attacks in Japan during the time that it co-hosted the 2002 Soccer World Cup with South Korea, but gave up on the idea because, thanks to Japan’s strict immigration laws, it couldn’t get a sufficient ground network going and established within Japan.
But the Alt Right is in danger of squandering this victory and turning it into their own defeat, for they have not been able to distinguish between a victory for the Alt Right and a victory of the Alt Right. And while it is clear that Trump’s election was the former sort of victory, it is equally clear that it was not the latter. While the Alt Right is a young movement, Trump won only 37% of the under-30 vote – a showing no better among youth than that of Mitt Romney, whose intellectual vanguard was nothing more spectacular than moribund basic-bitch conservatism.[1] Nor did Trump win giving White Americans a champion behind whom they could rally as White Americans: Trump won the White vote by only a percentage-point more than Romney. Moreover, Trump’s victory among Whites was driven overwhelmingly by older Whites: among Whites under 30, Trump won only 48% of the vote.[2] Indeed, Trump’s victory was the result less of an any radical intellectual vanguard for White identity politics, and more the result of an effective, data-heavy analytical program for leveraging Mitt Romney’s coalition in swing states run out of the office of Jared Kushner.[3]
Yet the Alt Right, drunk off the heady vapors of Trump’s election, has fallen into self-congratulation of the most deluded sort, announcing that it was they who “willed Donald Trump into office, [and] made [their] dream into reality.”[4] Richard Spencer has taken to hailing Donald Trump with the Roman salute, as though a lieutenant in some imaginary army that had crossed the Potomac to proclaim Trump emperor, and announcing that his movement is now the intellectual vanguard of the Donald Trump administration.
To call these claims specious, and this triumphalist attitude merely unwarranted, would be too generous. Rather, this self-congratulatory spectacle is so detached from reality that it borders on insanity. Who is to believe that anything more than a miniscule percent of Donald Trump voters had ever seen a pepe meme, or that there was anyone for whom the invective of a Ricky Vaughan tweetstorm furnished the deciding blow against their thought of voting for Hillary Clinton? Who would imagine that Donald Trump, Jared Kushner, Corey Lewandowski and Stephen Miller might have burned the midnight oil throughout October conferring over transcripts of past NPI conference speeches, carefully crafting ads and policies inspired by a nascent White identitarian wave sweeping American political thought?
