Comments to Steve Sailer:
* The USA can no longer be described as real blood and soil nation founded by a real genetic homogenous population. The Wasps gave up the ghost years ago, the Act of 1924 was their last hurrah and attempt to hang on to their country. Thus came Hart-Cellar and the utter ruination of Kennedy/Johnson. There’s just no getting away from that, it’s a done deal. Time to grow up and face up to it. The chance to do anything about it passed with the old jowlhound himself.
Look, the forces arranged against you are just too massive, too powerful and too overwhelming. The fact that ‘Hispanics’ multiplied their numbers 20 fold in 60 years should tell you that – and subcontinental immigration to the USA has only now started in earnest. Believe you me, *that* will make the mex deluge look like the proverbial vicarage tea party, complete with bucktoothed, absurd, buffoon C of E parson, the old bag blue rinse brigade, crust less cucumber sandwiches, Earl Grey and Battenberg cake. And then *will* come the sub Saharans, what? All 9 billion of them.
Now, let’s all link arms for another round of Berkeley kumbaya, denounce the white privilege, and praise the yoni.
* A massive long run problem for America is that American gentiles are far more zealous defenders of Jews and Israel than they are of America and Americans. If people like Walter Russell Mead were even half as concerned about the American people as they are about the Jewish people, then it simply would not matter what positions American Jews had.
* It’s a depressing idea that the great mass of whites out there have to go searching for allies to enable them to do what they’re supposed to be doing for themselves in the first place.
* What about the white elites who all seem to support open borders. From the Chambers of Commerce, major economists, think tanks, service industry and small business owners. It’s really hard to find anyone who is in business who doesn’t support illegal immigration.
And about “free trade” – NAFTA and PNTR with China, these pacts have devastated the country economically and socially. Not to mention creating a class of permanent and underemployed unemployed whites that number into the millions. And oh yeah, making sure kids out of college can’t find decent paying jobs because we shipped them to China or imported a bunch of Bombay specials to take their jobs.
In short before we start hammering the Jews we better damn well start hammering the white business and money classes who are backing this traitorous crap.
* Jewish Democrats do not care about Israel. All rhetoric to the contrary is just that – rhetoric, which is mostly intended to reassure out of touch elderly Jews who still care fervently about Israel. Even now, it is reported that Senate Democrats – no doubt including Schumer, Feinstein, the washed up comedian from Minnesota, the phony war hero from Connecticut, and other Senators supposedly of the Mosaic persuasion – are blocking a NON-BINDING resolution that would call for re-imposition of sanctions on Iran in the event Iran CHEATS on the deal Obama is negotiating with them now. In other words, the deal being done is not even intended to be enforceable, and Senate Democrats, no doubt including most of the Jews among them, are just fine with that.
Even after his serial blow-ups with Israel during his first term, Obama got just under 70% of the Jewish vote in 2012. Of course, some might say that was because he dialed back his rage at Israel and went on a “charm” offensive toward Jewish voters, but what if he hadn’t? My guess is, his support from Jews would have dropped . . . to about 65%.
FWIW, I applaud you for noticing that there’s no logical connection between supporting Israel and wanting open borders for the US. I myself strongly support both Israel (I mean, the part of Israeli society that is not suicidal, namely, the Israeli Right) and restricting immigration to the US. Unfortunately, the deal you propose is of no interest to the people you propose addressing it to.
* Now, let’s suppose the hypothetical white conservative offer — white con support for Israel in exchange for Jewish opposition to immigration — is accepted by Neocons but not Jewish Libs. Will that be enough to enact change? Most of the Jewish power and wealth is with Jewish Libs, not with Neocons. Neocons can do a lot but that not nearly as much as Jewish Libs. Indeed, if the Jewish Lib-dominated media hadn’t favored Neocons as the new face of Conservatism, Neocons wouldn’t be so influential.
This is why Jews promote the homo agenda. Homos are reliably pro-Jewish because they tend to be un-tribal about most issues. Homos all around the world feel estranged from their tribal cultures since most people are not homo and most cultures feel strange about homos. So, homos feel as homonomads. They are the ideal proxies, accomplices, and collaborators of Jews who are cosmopolitan, rootless, and global. Also, homos fear Arabs and Muslims.
Also, homos make the culture of rich and privilege seem cool and hip. So, even though ‘white privilege’ is bad, ‘homo privilege’ is wonderful, and via the justification of homo privilege, Jewish and white privilege can find a backdoor entrance of justification-by-association. White privilege as white privilege is bad… but white privilege associated with ‘homo privilege’ is good. So, in big rich gentrified cities, you got homo ‘rainbow’ flags to send the message, ‘this is progressive zone; don’t hate or boycott us’.
Homo agenda neutralizes not only conservatism but leftism. Many leftists stand for the Third World, but the Third World is anti-’gay’. As long as Israel is seen more pro-homo than the Muslim world is, most white ‘progressives’ will feel closer to Jews and Israel.
And as homos are so chummy with rich Jews in Hollywood, Silicon Valley, Wall Street, Las Vegas, fashion industry, media, and etc. they will foremost be loyal to Jews and will not join some grubby BDS movement filled with swarthy ‘losers’.
* Here is what I believe what powerful Jews see as much more likely:
The Neocons and Israel are only a couple of years away from engineering the US into a war with Iran regardless of what party wins the election in 2016, but especially if any Republican is elected. The best trigger for that war will be another major domestic terrorist attack that can conveniently blamed on Tehran. The goal here is simply spreading further chaos in the middle east requiring a permanent US boots on the ground presence and a no questions asked climate of patriotism at home. Meanwhile the US and European borders must remain open so as to facilitate the flood of more potential terrorists and refugees.
Since Two State Solution is officially dead, the next move is to officially annex the West Bank while giving Palestinians every financial incentive to leave Israel while the getting is good. The Arabs and Christians who don’t take the hint are going to be forcefully pressured to leave the West Bank and Israel proper a few years down the road. Once the Arab numbers significantly decline the remainder will be simply expelled Again the US and European borders must remain open so as to facilitate the flood of Palestinian emigrants and later refugees. Sure left wing Jews will make a minor fuss that Israel will become outwardly ethnocentric and the pretense to being a liberal Democracy will have evaporated. But it is taken as a given they will quickly fall into line if it ultimately means an expanded Israel that controls it own borders and is more demographically secure. Nothing I am stating here has not been promulgated as Likud party platform goals.
In the meantime Jews in Europe and USA have every intention of passing hate speech and hate crime laws that they believe will effectively neuter the BDS movement. While Jews will be granted “super citizenship” that will make life for them more than tolerable until increasingly more Zionist territory is acquired. Conditions for Non-Jewish white Europeans and Americans may decline significantly but Jews don’t care about them as long as the Jews will be protected. Once again keeping the borders open is key to making this happen.
Whites are only a 3-4 election cycles from being permanently rendered minorities in their homelands and in the countries they settled. That is what Jews on both the left and right want and they are not going to just let anybody simply “demand” that they change their plans. Besides Open Borders are making Jews super rich at the expense of their only possible opposition the educated middle class that identifies with the historical American nation. For this to happen the Borders must remain Open!!!
Last, Jews look at how easy it has been for them to manipulate the Christian Dispensationalist Goyim and laugh at the idea that NAMs can ever cause them trouble. They already fund NAACP and La Raza and hundreds of other Open Borders and identity politics groups. They have no reason to fear a Democratic coalition of the fringes as long as they are the puppet masters and control the media. The more NAMs the better, they are after all the best cudgel to keep the white Christian goyim in line. The Borders will remain Open!!!
In short everything is going the Jews way, and 90%+ of whites in the USA and Europe are clueless as to who is pulling the strings.
In short being polite and simply asking or even “demanding” some change in course from TWMNBN will accomplish nothing except still getting you labeled an anti-semite.
* Jews are much more supportive of open borders and mass immigration than whites are, and the opposition to same is much more white than Jewish. There’s a pair of links I keep handy that give a survey of how US senators and reps voted some years back, breaking them down into Euro and Jewish categories, but Steve doesn’t like me dropping it here. Short version, Euros voted about 45/55 for open borders, while Jews were like 90/10, or something.
* I like a lot of what Steve writes, but he suffers, in a peculiar and idiosyncratic way, from the same thing that the American Renaissance people do: The Great White Hope that organized Jewry can somehow be prevailed on to accept a “bargain” of some kind that preserves the primacy of European/Christian/Classical culture. Such a grand bargain could never be deemed to be “good for the Jews.” Any meaningful preservation of European/Christian traditional culture will never be acceptable from the perspective of aggressive organized Jewry. Pursuing such a bargain is sheer delusion.
* The newspaper of Mapam (the ancestor of Meretz, the furthest left Zionist party in the Knesset today), even published racist articles in the 1980s that wouldn’t be out of place here, including one that explained why blacks and Arabs are genetically inferior to whites and Jews, which is why Jewish fighter pilots are the best in the world, and blacks in the US are only good for short-distance running.
* Kevin MacDonald made a Grand Bargain offer straight-up to Organized Jewry that if they’d knock it off with the mass immigration agitating, he himself would advocate for U.S. support of Israel, even if at some cost to ourselves.
Did it accomplish anything? Did Org Jewry agree to this good deal? Did it even get the Jews to stop bashing him as the Most Horrible Person in America? Nope.
Getting an Immigration Moratorium is just going to have to be a job that us American-Americans will have to do ourselves.
* Israel is not nearly as determined to get its own illegal immigration under control, as you seem to think. There are about 70,000 Eritreans, Somalis and Sudanese firmly ensconced now in south Tel Aviv. (Scaled for population that would be like having 3.5 million of those guys in the USA.) Netanyahu would like them gone, the mayor of Tel Aviv would like them gone, most of all the majority of the citizenry would like them gone. And yet they stick around thanks to “civil rights” lawyers, European Union pressure, and a sympathetic Israeli Supreme Court.
The best thing going for Israel on this front is that the fence has almost totally eliminated the inflow of illegals.
* Okay, so there’s the big negotiating sit-down over Immigration and Israel in the back room of a restaurant between the key players: Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban, and Peter Brimelow. Tough bargaining aimed at maybe closing a “Feasible Zionist-Gentile Grand Bargain”
Adelson: “If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Republican Party.”
Saban: “If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Democratic Party.”
Brimelow: “And if you give me what I want, I can deliver VDare.com…plus I’ll even throw in Kevin MacDonald’s endorsement!”
* Steve probably meant that as a proposal for the anti-immigrationist wing of the Republican Party. Steve’s influence might not be too large, but some people do notice him. Ann Coulter reads him, and if you followed the UVA rape hysteria, his influence might have been even larger – probably some mainstream journalists are also reading him. But in any event this idea was more of a thought experiment.
As to MacDonald, he didn’t think it was realistic to begin with, and he’s quite conscious of his limited influence. He was only giving a theoretical reason why he doesn’t support Israel, i.e. also a thought experiment. That’s important because some people accused him that he’s critical of Jews in the US and elsewhere (so he doesn’t want Jews in the Galut), but that he’s also critical of Israel, i.e. he doesn’t want Jews in Israel either. In other words, he was accused of proposing the extermination of Jews. Obviously he perceives that the organized Jewish community (i.e. Jewish organizations) leave no room for him, pushing for both destructive wars and unlimited immigration. This in turns leaves him under no obligation not to criticize Jews both here and in Israel. (His critique of Israel always seemed to me an exposition of double standards – he never really cared for Palestinians, but he always wanted to destroy any moral high ground pro-Israel “Liberals” might have enjoyed vis-à-vis White ethnonationalists like himself.)
