Tribes Tend To Have A Different Relationship To Nation States II

When Osama Bin Laden was killed, who did you see on the streets celebrating? Goyim. You didn’t see many Jews nor blacks nor asians nor latinos.

America has historically been a white country, with whites comprising 80-90% of the population. Whites led the fight against the British to found the United States, whites wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and until Barak Obama, all of America’s leading politicians have been white.

When you go to a ballgame and see who sings the Star Spangled Banner with the most fervor, when you look around to see who has tears in their eyes when they look at the American flag, it is usually goyim (whites).

Tribes can demonstrate more loyalty to the nation state than goyim when tribes feel like they need to prove themselves. I believe Jews disproportionately died for Germany in World War I because they were so eager to prove they were good Germans. In general, however, tribes do not have the same relationship to the nation state as goyim. From what I see in America, Jews, blacks, Chinese, latinos etc think primarily about the welfare of their own group before that of the nation. They ask not, what can I do for America but what can America do for my group. For instance, is America’s support for Israel primarily about what is good for America or about what is good for Israel? I think the latter.

If you were to visit Independence Hall and the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia, you won’t find many blacks and latinos and asians. If you visit Gettysburg and see all the displays and presentations about slavery, you won’t find many blacks and latinos and asians. The people who tend to express the most visceral love of the United States and of its history tend to be white and they tend to vote Republican. The people with more resentments against America tend to vote Democratic.

Remember when Michelle Obama said that the Democratic party nominating her husband for president was the first time she had been proud of her country? I think that was a representative sentiment among blacks. From what I have seen and read, blacks have as much disgust with America as love. Black organizations seem to talk much more about what American can do for blacks than what blacks owe America.

Among latinos, I don’t usually notice much patriotic American fervor. They tend to feel more strongly about their home countries such as Mexico.

Of all the tribes in America, I think Jews are the most pro-America, and for much of their history in this country, their fervor for the country has approached and even exceeded the goyim. Since the 1960s, America has become more tribalistic, and members of tribes have felt increasingly comfortable asserting their tribal identity and displaying less concern for America as a nation.

Does it upset me that tribes don’t have the same loyalty, in general, for America that WASPs do? No. I don’t expect them to. I take it for granted. Not all peoples have the same cognitive ability on average and reverence for your nation and an interest in its history requires the ability for abstract thought and an IQ north of 100. Not all peoples organize themselves the same way and not all peoples evolved under the same circumstances. Whites and asians, for example, evolved in cold northern latitudes, and that required them to cooperate and plan together and to live up to their word or they would have all died out in the harsh climate while for those groups that evolved in more temperate climes, food was easier to obtain and conscientiousness was not as important for survival. So I don’t expect people who evolved out of areas close to the equator to have the same traits as those who evolved in the far north.

Most Ashkenazi Jews worked in white collar professions for the past millenia. No other race in the world is like this. Therefore, I expect Ashkenazi Jews to have evolved different traits and abilities than other groups, including Sephardic Jews.

I don’t think immigrants assimilate except in the most superficial of ways. For important life results such as longevity, law-abidingness, family stability, academic and vocational outcomes, Swedes, Mexicans, Africans, and the Japanese in America behave more similarly to their brethren back home than to other Americans. The problem with America’s schools, for example, is primarily bad students, not bad teachers (and I mean “bad” only in the sense not suited to first world achievement).

The first sentence of the U.S. Declaration of Independence says that “All men are created equal.” This is not true for abilities. It is only true that everyone is equal before the law (and in the eyes of God according to some opinions).

If a WASP nation such as the United States or Australia or England wanted to be strong, it would let its tribal citizens realize that they were guests whose residency depended on their good behavior (and rhetoric) promoting the interests of their nation. Or perhaps Chaim Amalek is right that “If God had wanted the goyim to have their own nations, he would have given the brains to defend them.”

“Damn, just think what America would be like if White people had defended their interests as forcefully as the Zionists have been defending theirs. This country would be 90% white. But to be white is to be a pussy, so no such luck.”

The Robert DeNiro movie about the CIA, The Good Shepherd, was often revealing about traditional American attitudes on these matters. The Bill Sullivan character said: “I’ll be looking for patriotic, honorable, bright young men from the right backgrounds to manage the various departments. In other words, no Jews or Negroes, and very few Catholics, and that’s only because I’m a Catholic.”

Later, Joseph Palmi said: “Let me ask you something… we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?”
Edward Wilson: “The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.”

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