March 26, 2007

I Disagree With All Of My Friends

Fox News report.

About two years ago, Maia Lazar had a journalism advisor at Ribet Academy named Eliot Stein, a resident of the San Fernando Valley.

Mr. Stein says that when his journalism class revolted against Maia their Editor, he called her at home to try to resolve the situation.

Maia became upset. She had various issues with Mr. Stein.

On the advice of her mother Cathy Seipp, Maia did not go to Mr. Stein to try work things out with him, but instead she complained to the school and blogged about her teacher (without naming him).

There was a big fight.

When Ribet tried to suspend Eliot Stein for one day, Mr. Stein walked away from the school.

“The clash was not with the teacher, it was with the students,” Mr. Stein told me March 26. “The students found Maia condescending and arrogant. They loved me.”

Mr. Stein says he’s ready to give up the domain name cathyseipp.com and to abandon this feud if both sides to it (he and Maia) will sign a non-disparagement agreement.

I believe people, even 14 year olds, should always try to work out their problems directly with the person who’s causing the problem, before they go to those in charge.

If you are old enough to blog, then you are old enough to learn that whenever you blog something negative about somebody, that person may devote the rest of his life trying to make you miserable. Even when you are right in hurting someone (exposing their bad behavior to protect the innocent) through your speech, you are usually going to be hurt in return.

When you go over someone’s head, there’s a high likelihood that that person is going to lash back at you and hurt you, even if you are in the right.

I don’t agree with infantilizing teenagers and treating them as incapable of resolving their own problems. I’ve always despised kids who ran to the teacher or to the principal to complain about another kid without having first tried to resolve their problem with that kid.

Eliot Stein bought the domain name cathyseipp.com and used it to write negative things about Cathy, Maia, me and our friends.

“What do you expect?” I said to Cathy when she solicited my opinion. “You got rid of him. Of course he’s going to be angry. Yes, it sounds like he did things that made Maia uncomfortable, but it makes sense to me that he would want to attack you and your daughter. It’s your fault for not owning your own domain name.”

Cathy was disgusted by my view and I didn’t bring it up again.

Over the past week, there’s been a concerted effort by friends of Cathy to shut down cathyseipp.com and the anti-Cathy, anti-Maia writings of its owner Eliot Stein. My friends have gone to enormous lengths, called in their friends in the media, law and investigation for help.
I disagree.

It’s wrong to memorialize one First Amendment warrior by shutting down another’s writing.

Elliot Stein’s website about Cathy Seipp and Maia Lazar and me and others is free speech. We as journalists/bloggers/writers should be the last people to try to shut down someone’s mockery of Cathy. The site was not nice, but so what?

Maia and Cathy probably contributed to Stein leaving his job. It is not surprising that Mr. Stein would want to lash back at Cathy and Maia. I don’t think Maia deserves special legal protection against internet mockery just because she is in grief.
It is Cathy’s fault for not registering her own name as a domain name. Mr. Stein saw open property and he bought it and that is fair and it should now belong to him to do as he wishes.

I think I oppose all libel laws.

Yes, on moral grounds, I think that much of Mr. Stein’s anti-Cathy, anti-Maia writings were objectionable. They were a little too cruel. But Eliot Stein has every legal right to be cruel to Cathy and Maia, to be cruel to Cathy and Maia on cathyseipp.com (or any dotcom) and to be cruel to Cathy and Maia on cathyseipp.com on the week Cathy died.

I similarly disagreed with Cathy on the Sandra Tsing Loh – KCRW affair when Sandra got fired for saying “fuck” on the air (it was the engineer’s fault for not blanking it out of the pre-recorded segment). If I had been in charge of KCRW, I would not have fired Sandra, but if KCRW wanted to fire her for it, they should have every legal right to do so (perhaps Sandra should’ve listened to the segment before it was to be aired to make sure her obscenity was bleeped). Sandra can find other outlets for her talents.

Harriet emails:

Hello,

I started reading Cathy’s World after her diagnosis–although I didn’t know it at the time–when I was anticipating a move to Los Angeles. From her blog, I was able to glean some really valuable insights into my soon-to-be adopted home, and for that I am grateful.

But all along, I knew something was amiss in Cathy’s world. The total opposition to differing point of views, the dressing down reserved only for those she disagreed with–it all rankled. And the sicker she got, and the stranger things sounded (that bizarre fight over Maia leaving out some teabags), the more heartsick I felt.

I know something about parents who insist on strict adherence to a “truth” that they’ve determined, and I feel some anxiety for Maia, surrounded by people who–seemingly, at any rate–hold one, uniformly positive perspective.

So from my distant observer’s point of view, I am grateful to you for exploring the contradictions inherent in Cathy’s personality. When I am gone, I would much rather be known for both my flaws and my strengths (the more impressive for my having overcome the flaws), than only for some fabricated, falsely positive mask, and I think you do Cathy a service.

If it calms Elliot Stein’s nerves at all, you can tell him that at least one of your readers had already assumed much of the Cathy’s version was deeply flawed. His response was embarrassingly over the top, but I suspect his judgement is warped from interacting with the bizarro rules of Cathy’s World.

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Comments on I Disagree With All Of My Friends »

March 26, 2007

david n. scott @ 12:47 pm

Hey, Stern’s last update to CS.com was a fake ‘final blog entry’ from Cathy to the world, with no announcement whatsoever that it was fake. Yeah, people familiar with the Trolldolls Saga weren;t fooled, but I bet a lot of people could have been.

If TD had Cathyseippsucks.com or Cathyseippisnasty.com, then it would be considerably less intrusive/deceptive on his part. But, he had her actual name.url (I seem to recall you having a similar problem and fighting it here and there?), and had started posting fake blog entries. Bad stuff all around.

david n. scott @ 12:49 pm

Plus, any sympathy I had for Stein at any point quickly melted down with all of his trolling, pimping his website, spending years on hassling people… the idea of him having an unhealthy interest in Maia and being kinda nuts seemed pretty self-evident after years of his antics.

Jim Treacher @ 1:11 pm

Yeah. It’s bad when somebody puts up a blog with your name as the entire URL, and publishes a bunch of lies about you signed with your name. I think we can all agree on that.

Azamat @ 5:37 pm

My comment comes with the prerequisite confession that I only read the title of this post. Being truly forewarned I most note that I don’t agree that you disagree with your friends mainly because I do not believe that you have the blessing of friends. Perhaps you know people of similar mindset that are willing to engage you in mutual social climbing while you collectively opine for like possessions and a sense of respect and accomplishment in your chosen professions. And I think that you loosely adhere to one another until something better comes along based on the knowledge that you all suffer from the same disease of desire. But when it is all said and done I think that you have no love, no passion, no genuine hope in your lives therefore I do not think that actual friendship is possible. Maybe the group stroking of each others egos and tolerance of one another is what is throwing you off but when it is all said and done if you do not like yourself you can not like anyone else.

Work on yourself first and when you find yourself you will find who you are and where you fit, until the you are just spinning your wheels. The good news is that you have identified a problem and that is the biggest part of resolving the issue. But the issue of friends is one of such importance that one has to fix their own soul before you can share your soul with others. Good luck on your journey.

Aro @ 6:08 pm

Sure, he may have a first amendment right to post those statements, but that doesn’t mean that he has a moral right to do so, or that the community should not speak out against his harmful speech. More importantly, your friends are in no way infringing on his first amendment rights by doing whatever they can to try to shut him down — lawsuits, media, investigative services. While legally, they most likely do not have a claim, their actions have no bearing whatsoever on Mr. Stein’s constitutional rights. (News flash — the first amendment only applies to actions of the GOVERNMENT that infringe on speech, not private individuals).

Luke Ford @ 10:44 pm

News flash: “First Amendment” is also a metaphor for free speech.

March 27, 2007
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Legacy Matters @ 6:13 am

Cathy Seipp’s Funeral Bootlegged

On the other hand, when the cyber-squatter last week reverted to his earlier ways, posting a “last blog entry” signed “Cathy Seipp” in which Cathy supposedly begged final forgiveness for her politics, her friends and her parenting … this see…

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Winds of Change.NET @ 7:39 am

Bullying And The Internet

Armed Liberal is tired of bullying.

Luke Ford @ 8:19 am

“Rose” emails me: Eliot Stein had absolutely NO “unhealthy interest” in Maia. That was a perverted rumor maliciously created by Cathy Seipp. All Eliot did was call Maia on the phone to discuss problems regarding the school newspaper, and how to deal with the kids who didn’t want her as editor. He was the journalism teacher!
Cathy Seipp went berserk and began her “reign of revenge” against him.
The truth needs to be told. Most people are afraid to speak the truth, due to the repression we have been living under for the past six years.

Jim Treacher @ 9:08 am

Having looked at the front page of the site on the Internet Wayback Machine, I cannot conclude that it emanated from a healthy mind. (I’m talking about Stein’s site, not necessarily this one.)

david n. scott @ 1:46 pm

JT,

Yeah, I incorporated the IWM cache of Cathyseipp.com in my email to his provider. One look at that and you’re not really thinking too positively of the guy.

LF,

C’mon. You have to know the guy was nuts–his site looked like something an asylum patient would make with crayons and magazine cutouts.

I also don’t believe for a moment he got fired for ‘calling a student about the paper’.

Actually, when I re-read this post I notice it changed to say he was supposed to be suspended for a day and he stomped out ‘on the principle of the thing’.

That’s interesting, though I believe the previous version of the post said the school said the incident had not contributed ‘to his firing’, so it’s a bit of an odd change.

So… guy gets suspended for a day (itself odd–how often do schools actually take complaints against teachers seriously?), quits instead, says he was ‘fired’, and begins a years-long campaign of fake website-making and sock puppetry across the LA internet.

Mmmkay. SOme cause celebre there.

david n. scott @ 2:01 pm

I should say that he was nuts ‘on the internet’, since he’s apparently pretty stable offline. My guess would be that being online does that thing it does to a lot of people where typing somehoe deactivates the thought / communication barrier and makes them run around showing their dark sides to everybody.

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March 29, 2007

rose @ 8:30 am

No, I’m not Eliot. I’m not Cathy’s sister and I’m not even her ex-husband in disguise!
I’m a person who believes in free speech and the right to political parody.
Conservatives are just as vidictive as liberals. That includes Rush Limbaugh, “mann” Coulter, Hannity, greasy-looking Michael Savage and all the rest.

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