What Jordan Peterson Can Teach Church Leaders

Aaron Renn writes in the WSJ:

Mainstream institutions and authorities—churches, schools, academia, the media—could learn a few things from the online gurus about how to speak to young men effectively.

Young men today often feel as if their needs are secondary to those of their female peers…

Online influencers treat men’s hopes and dreams as important in their own right.

Many offer teenage boys an aspirational vision of manhood. Some, like Mr. Peterson, say men are important for the sake of others, but present it as part of a heroic vision of masculinity in which men flourish as well. “You have some vital role to play in the unfolding destiny of the world,” he writes in “12 Rules for Life,” his 2018 bestseller. “You are, therefore, morally obliged to take care of yourself.” Traditional authorities, especially in Protestant churches, talk about men being “servant leaders” but reduce that primarily to self-sacrifice and serving others. Pastors preach sermons wondering why men have so much energy left at the end of the day, or saying men shouldn’t have time for hobbies. No wonder young men tune them out.

Online influencers challenge men to work harder and get better. Former Navy SEAL Jocko Willink encourages his followers to get up at 4:30 a.m. to work out. But they also give practical advice and true if sometimes politically incorrect facts, such as those about the opposite sex. Men’s relationships with women are primal. Nothing enhances these influencers’ credibility like helping young men succeed with women. Teenage boys are hungry for information on what women find attractive. The gurus tell them it’s status, confidence, charisma, appearance and style. That’s the opposite of what they’re used to hearing, which is that women want men who emotionally affirm them and are ready to commit for the long term. Guys who go the sensitive nice-guy route only to be rejected can end up frustrated and bitter.

“Godliness is sexy to godly people,” says Southern Baptist megachurch pastor Matt Chandler. Jordan Peterson, on the other hand, says, “Girls are attracted to boys who win status contests with other boys.” Which rings truer to you?

…In an era of growing loneliness and social isolation, teenage boys can bond over furtively watching Andrew Tate videos that their parents and teachers deem dangerous. Because the traditional authorities typically don’t have much of an organic following among young men, they don’t generate the same kind of community. Where they do have a male audience, such as in churches, attempts at creating community are often hokey and weird. Most young men aren’t drawn to groups that ask them to “hold each other accountable” for watching porn.

An obvious if overlooked component of these influencers’ success is that they’re all men. It’s common, especially in mainstream media, for women to be the ones sounding off about men’s issues and shortcomings. In July, Politico published a “Masculinity Issue,” featuring four articles on the theme—every one of them written by a woman.

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The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism (2024)

Aaron Renn reviews Tim Alberta’s book:

His portrayal of the anti-Trumpers is almost a photographic negative of the pro-Trumpers he decries. Pro-Trumpers believe they are fighting a culture war to save America from those who want to destroy it. But Alberta’s anti-Trumpers are likewise fighting a culture war, only theirs is internal to the church, waged against more conservative evangelicals. They too seem to believe they are engaged in a Manichean struggle between good and evil. And they, too, sometimes worship America, as shown in David French’s table-pounding over the First Amendment, a quintessentially American principle.

In fact, in his own apocalyptic style and over-the-top denunciations of pro-Trump evangelicals in his book and articles, Alberta resembles the very people he castigates. He too believes America is facing a mortal threat. For example, on Christmas Day 2023 he warned in an Atlantic column of the danger Christian nationalism poses to the future of America. He uses disease metaphors to describe pro-Trump evangelicals—terms like “contagion” and “depollute” that echo how his targets might describe the Left. He writes in the book, “many [pro-Trump] American evangelicals cannot let go.” Neither can he.

…Alberta’s book is ultimately yet another piece of evangelical writing that ardently criticizes conservative evangelicals, in a liberal secular forum, using arguments aligned with liberal secular elite values.

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10 Pillars of Masculinity | Aaron Renn

Aaron Renn writes:

The ten pillars I discuss are:

Identity.

Mission.

Agency.

Virtue.

Knowledge.

Wisdom.

Fraternity. Every man needs a band a brothers.

Family.

Suffering.

Legacy. What are you going to leave behind when you are gone?

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Cities Are Actively Hostile To Conservatives, Why Would Conservatives Not Want To Retaliate Against Liberals?

Aaron Renn writes:

Cities also give the green light to people creating a very hostile environment for anyone who is openly conservative, or even merely insufficiently liberal. We’ve all seen the videos of BLM activists harassing diners at outdoor cafes, for example. Here in Indianapolis, a group of activists ran the donut shop around the corner from our old house out of business for political reasons. Not a single person or entity in the city came to the defense of that shop. Implicitly, every single civic leader in Indy is ok with conservatives actively getting run out of town.

So based on what liberals already do day in and day out in the places they control, red state leaders are well within their rights to pass laws that are culturally offensive to liberals in order to encourage them to leave, or not to come in the first place…

Ron DeSantis actually did a good job of reshaping Florida’s demographics politically, mostly through conservative “popularism” with substance: going against Covid shutdowns, restructuring a university, eliminating sexual content from kindergarten, etc. Notably, he has not pushed for anything like the Ten Commandments display.

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How to Live in a Lower Trust Nation

Aaron Renn writes:

Loyalty is the coin of the realm. Disclosing personal emails, even if from an ex-friend, to the media in order to try to harm someone is treasonous.

It’s also to be expected. In a lower trust society, we can no longer assume that even our friends won’t betray us. This is doubly true if the friend has different politics from you. And it’s triply true if you are a conservative and your friend is a liberal, because liberals are more likely to unfriend you over politics…

We have to take stock of the new reality and simply put less trust in other people. It’s a good rule of thumb that you should not put anything in an email, text, or group chat unless you think you could handle the heat if it were published in the Times. Again, you especially can’t fully trust anyone with the opposite politics here.

We have to take account of the cold reality that we no longer live in a world of gentlemen, or one that lives by the old values…

[We should] find ways to build our own moral communities, whether in a church, a friend group, etc., where it’s possible to establish in-group standards that allow higher trust relationships to flourish.

In an essay on the quest for community, Aaron Renn wrote:

Our society deems any non-ideologically approved groups illegitimate. So any all male groups that aren’t devoted to some type of struggle sessions are going to be attacked. That’s why, as I’ve noted before, many of these men’s groups are now essentially underground and illegible.

What does it mean to be less legible?

Aaron Renn wrote:

…if you are not legible to the government and other entities, it is harder for those entities to impose their mandates on you.

One example is the growth of informal men’s retreats. As I’ve noted before, all men’s groups and organizations are heavily stigmatized in our society, and outright illegal in many cases. Church men’s groups, some remaining single sex schools, fraternities, and a few other groups are basically what’s left, and many of them have a target on their back. Witness the years long jihad the New York Times ran against the Augusta National Golf Club to bully them into admitting women.

What’s more, even if an all male organization managed to exist, becoming a member of it could be hazardous to your health, so to speak, if the media decided to make an issue of it, as they’ve been known to do.

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How Richard Reeves is making it acceptable for the center-left to address the challenges facing today’s boys and men

Aaron Renn writes:

I think it’s important to have people on the center-left talking about men’s issues. If we care about actually improving the lives of men, then we don’t want the goal of helping men flourish to become partisan coded, because if it does then Democrats will reflexively oppose it and it will become yet another victim of gridlock…

The major institutions of society, like the major media, are on the left. So naturally they are going to prefer their own. The Brookings Institution, where Reeves worked when writing his book, confers social legitimacy in the way conservative organizations apart from perhaps AEI don’t yet do so…

It’s also notable that Reeves is a man. You’ll notice that many of the people who comment on men’s issues, even in a pro-male way, are women…

You have to be willing to advocate for yourself. Men can’t outsource self-advocacy to women…

The feminist movement’s success depended on telling men they had to change, that there were certain choices and behaviors they could no longer engage in. It also explicitly reallocated resources and positions from men to women.

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Why Are Churches Anti-Men? (3-12-25)

01:00 Aaron Renn: When Selfishness Becomes Celebrated: How modern culture repackages marital abandonment as radical self-love, with little counter-narrative from religious voices,
https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/selfish-abandonment
09:00 Dennis Prager’s First Public Message
11:00 Rodney Martin needs your prayers
24:00 Aaron Renn: Tradcons Are the Enemy of the American Man, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/tradcons-are-the-enemy-of-the-american
30:00 How to navigate a low trust America, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/betrayal
39:00 There’s Never Been a Better Time to Be a Man in America, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/a-good-time-to-be-a-man
45:20 How J.D. Vance Avoided Becoming Pete Buttigieg, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/vance-buttigieg
52:00 The Basis of Attraction, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/newsletter-17-the-basis-of-attraction
57:20 The Valorization of Selfishness: Society’s message today is too often that you should care more about yourself and your own pleasure, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/selfishness
1:06:00 Christians are not persecuted in America but all is not well, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/persecution
1:15:00 NYT: At Columbia, Tension Over Gaza Protests Hits Breaking Point Under Trump, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/12/nyregion/columbia-university-trump-protests.html
1:22:00 The differences and implications of the buffered identity vs the porous identity, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=159273
1:27:20 Mark Halperin on Trump’s First 100 Days, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJC46Ng110k
1:36:00 More Universities Are Choosing to Stay Neutral on the Biggest Issues, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/us/institutional-neutrality-universities-free-speech.html
1:40:00 Women and the Attractiveness Curve, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/newsletter-18-women-and-the-attractiveness
1:55:00 Implications of the Rise of Online Dating, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/newsletter-50-the-truth-about-online
2:01:00 NYT: Ambitious Democrats Have a New Game Plan: Yak It Up About Sports, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/09/us/politics/democrats-sports-podcasts-male-voters.html
2:07:00 All events are ephemeral, https://www.ft.com/content/c0734fa8-9b29-4f8e-848d-589dc92edbb8
2:12:45 Why do Christian men keep proclaiming: “I’m Not Worthy of This Woman”, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/im-not-worthy-of-this-woman
2:16:20 Here’s What Conservative Institutional Capture Looks Like, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/capturing-institutions
2:21:00 Beauty Is Not Just in the Eye of the Beholder, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/beauty
2:24:00 Anti-Trump evangelicals are very organized and well-funded, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/the-resistance-will-be-organized
2:26:00 Anti-Trump evangelicals are very organized and well-funded, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/the-resistance-will-be-organized
2:31:00 Aaron Renn: Affinity Group Migration and the Quest for Community, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/the-resistance-will-be-organized
2:36:00 Become Illegible: In the negative world, people should look at ways to become less visible to governments and other entities
2:40:50 Why Men Hate Going to Church (with David Murrow), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqeJFtMD-k4
2:48:00 The Emergence of the Post-Religious Right, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/the-emergence-of-the-post-religious
2:54:00 Conservative Elites Prefer Living in Progressive Elite Cities, https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/conservative-elites-prefer-living
3:01:00 The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism, https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/protestant-deformation/
3:16:00 Jesse Waters

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Democrats & MSM Rally To Defense Of Hamas Agitator Mahmoud Khalil (Columbia University) 3-12-25)

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/12/us/yale-suspends-scholar-terrorism.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/12/nyregion/mahmoud-khalil-detention-hearing.html

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How To Decode The News (3-12-25)

News Is A Stress Test, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=147167
What Should You Expect From The News?, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=146911
How The News Differs From Reality, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=144347
HBO’s Small Town News & That Noble Dream: The ‘Objectivity Question’ (8-3-21), https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=141668
Can We Be Happy When The News Does Not Go Our Way?, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=131747
Most News Is Unimportant, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=131296
All events are ephemeral (so you study them if you enjoy it, not as evidence that you are superior): https://www.ft.com/content/c0734fa8-9b29-4f8e-848d-589dc92edbb8
News, goodness and great sex don’t pay for themselves (6-14-23), https://rumble.com/v2u9se9-news-goodness-and-great-sex-dont-pay-for-themselves-6-14-23.html

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Why Does The Church Hate Men?

One thing I love about my conversion to Orthodox Judaism after my upbringing in Seventh-Day Adventism is that OJ is a safe place for men.

Outside of pockets of left-wing Modern Orthodoxy, there’s not much of a need in traditional Judaism to display contempt for men.

Aaron Renn writes:

Since at least the 19th century, the church has been largely anti-male, seeing men as the author of family dysfunction and pain. As British academic Callum Brown noted, “Nowhere did evangelical literature have such a powerful influence in the public domain, including in ‘secular’ fiction, as in its demonization of men.” Newsletter #3 was dedicated to exploring some of this history.

In 2020, the feminist scholar Valerie Hobbs published a peer reviewed study on the way conservative pastors talk about divorce in their sermons. She found:

“In summary, despite the fact that femaleness was, as mentioned earlier, a significant semantic concept in the divorce corpus, women are framed primarily as receivers of divorce rather than initiators. Although in most cases of divorce in the United States, women initiate divorce, pastors in the corpus in this way represented divorce as a largely male action.”

It’s one of the most widely known statistics in social science that women initiate the vast majority of divorces – around 70% of them. But this is rarely ever mentioned by evangelical pastors. I have never once seen this fact in an evangelical book on marriage, even ones that are otherwise full of statistics.

The church isn’t even acknowledging the reality of who initiates divorce, much less reckoning with the new cultural messages that it’s a great thing to dump even a wonderful husband and father in order to explore something new.

The unfortunate reality is that American church leaders largely do not understand the cultural dynamics of today America – and certainly don’t refer to or tailor their prescriptions to men to take account of them.

The entire reason that I started writing this newsletter several years back was because I saw so many men turning to online influencers and the manosphere instead of the church looking for life direction. I wanted the church to get in the game and become more competitive.

Unfortunately, if anything that gap has only gotten bigger. Online influencers like Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, the noxious Andrew Tate and many others ate the church’s lunch. That’s embarrassing.

One reason is that they are attuned to these cultural dynamics men see all around them. They might not have the right prescriptions – or indeed, even often have bad ones – but they at least are acknowledging in some fashion today’s realities.

The American church needs to update its software, and start confronting today’s culture. This is a lot harder to do than screaming “Man up!” at the men in the pews, but it has to be done. Quite apart from from effectiveness, it’s about being willing to speak the truth.

As one example of how the secular world has more compelling answers – indeed, any answer – read this piece about July from Freddie deBoer. DeBoer is an atheist so far as I know, and basically a leftist political writer rather than a men’s influencer. But people from a range of perspectives read him because he delivers the goods. He writes:

As I wrote recently, what media sells in 2025 is permission; that is our product. Apparently a lot of women were waiting for a particular kind of permission that Miranda July has provided. What’s remarkable about all of this cheering on of July in our most elite publications is not just its sheer volume, but also how untouched it is by skepticism or pushback. It’s not just that a certain kind of person at a certain kind of publication wants this story told; they also don’t want to hear anyone object to it. And I think this is the “Can women have it all?” phenomenon again, where saying that a particular kind of happiness for women is genuinely unattainable is too easily represented as saying that you don’t want them to attain it.

Well, the news is good: they already had permission. Most of the Western, educated, liberal women who are devouring this #content have in fact had the ability to avoid or escape monogamy for their entire lives.

But, again, is/ought. The question is not whether women have permission to forego longstanding marriages and relationships to pursue a regular churn of sexual and romantic partners, in an effort to achieve real satisfaction and happiness. The answer to that was already yes. The more relevant question is, will the women who attempt this actually achieve satisfaction and happiness? And I’m profoundly skeptical. Because life doesn’t work that way. We live mundane lives in a boring existence on a finite planet. We negotiate little bits of happiness where we can find them. We never, ever get everything that we want, and we are remarkably consistent in no longer wanting what we want once we get it. For those of us who are lucky enough not to face poverty or disability or abuse or addiction, a vague-but-tolerable disappointment is something like the most common state of human life. And I think Miranda July and all of these ruling class thinkpiece peddlers are selling a lot of impressionable women on a fantasy, no different from the kid hawking crypto to gullible people eager to believe that they can get rich quick. What comes next, sooner or later, is the rug pull.

When you read these endless essays, you’re not hearing women say “It’s true that the guys I’ll be able to bag in twenty years are going to have aging spots and balls that hang down to their knees, but girl, I’ll be liberated!” All of this is part of a far broader denial of aging and death in our culture; it’s incredible, the degree to which generally functional and successful people have completely cut off the inevitability of their advancing age from their conscious minds.

There are all manner of lifestyles that are built around the pursuit of endless novelty, such as those centered on drug use, sadomasochism, extreme sports, endless travel…. And what happens, very very very often, is that the pursuit of new experiences becomes in and of itself the boring slog that all of the rest of us experience too.

The romantic ideal is good. It’s deeply imperfect but worth fighting for. There’s a reason people come back to it, again and again, despite all the frustration. I suspect a lot of people who consider lifelong serial partnering are doing so while quietly wanting the romantic ideal, one person for life, but the pain of looking for it has driven them into rejecting it as a form of self-defense, rationalizing unhappiness.

So, here’s the question I’d ask Miranda July and her many middle-aged women acolytes: do you honestly think that the last decades of your life are going to consist of moving on from f—ing one hunky pool boy to the other, without trouble, disappointment, or a slowly and inevitably draining sense of satisfaction with it all? Do you think that, even if you can always reliably find a new partner who you’re attracted to and who is attracted to you, life will prove to be reliably satisfying, given that ultimately it’s just another attempt to ring permanent pleasure out of transitory experience? I’m biased, yes, I’m a romantic, I believe in love, one person. Acknowledging that bias, I just have to tell you – this all looks like the definition of being trapped in samsara to me, trading one form of attachment for an equal and opposite form of attachment. I know what you want it to be true, that you can simply choose to live a life of permanent novelty and support without commitment. I’m asking what you actually believe will be true, in the most jaundiced, hard-hearted, and self-critical way possible. We make big decisions from the cradle to the grave, but I’ve learned this about middle age: the bad ones matter more when we’re all always running out of time.

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