Speechless Rabbi Admits Losing Argument Over Racism and Israel to White Supremacist Richard Spencer

Do you know why the rabbi couldn’t answer Richard Spencer’s point? Because there is no Jewish response to Richard Spencer here beyond, “You are right.”

Why shouldn’t other people enjoy the same cohesion and strong identity that Judaism wants for Jews?

Forward.com: After white nationalist Richard Spencer left him speechless by equating Zionism and white supremacy, Texas A&M Rabbi Matt Rosenberg is acknowledging that it wasn’t his best moment.

“I wasn’t on the high school debate team,” Rosenberg told the Forward. “I really didn’t want to get into it. That might have been the wrong decision, but I’ll let the next rabbi deal with it.”

Rosenberg, the Hillel rabbi at Texas A&M University for the past three years, later said he found Spencer’s attempt to get him to defend Israel erroneous and bordering on anti-Semitic.

“I am a simple teacher of Torah,” he said.

Rosenberg later took part in a silent demonstration against Spencer’s address. He said that he was concerned at the attention given to the “alt-right” leader, who calls for the creation of a white “ethno-state.”

“The undue amount of attention given to Richard Spencer and his message was and is troubling to me,” he said. “We can’t normalize hate speech.”

Rosenberg also told the Forward he did not an anticipate a repeat on his campus of Tuesday’s events.

“I really do hope and think that this is a one-off for Texas A&M,” he said. “It’s a philo-Semitic campus, where people appreciate Jewish culture and Judaism.”

Despite his concerns about giving attention to hatemongers, Rosenberg handed the white supremacist the spotlight Tuesday when he asked Spencer that night to study Torah with him.

“You come here with a message of radical exclusion. My tradition teaches a message of radical inclusion, as embodied by Torah,” said Rosenberg, who attended the media event at the urging of one of his colleagues. “Would you sit down and study Torah with me and learn love?”

Spencer shot back by comparing Israel’s vision as a homeland for Jews with his own goals for a state for whites.

“Do you really want radical inclusion into the State of Israel?” Spencer responded, as Rosenberg said nothing. “Jews exist precisely because you did not assimilate to the gentiles… I respect that about you. I want my people to have that same sense of themselves.”

Rosenberg refused to respond, effectively leaving unchallenged Spencer’s assertion about Jews and Israel.

So when the Talmud pictures Jesus in a pot of boiling excrement, is that hate speech?

So when the Torah calls for genocide against the Canaanites, is that hate speech? Asking for a friend.

Halacah (Jewish law) makes no provision for non-Jewish citizenship in a Torah state of Israel. Is that hateful?

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Identity & Hate

Some people claim to love everybody. That’s not realistic. A healthy person, with any luck, loves his family, friends, relations and community. It’s normal, natural and healthy to prefer the company of those who are similar to you.

When I was young, I was eager to meet people who were different from me. I’ve had long stretches of my life filled with infatuation for Jews and asians, for instance. Then I converted to Orthodox Judaism and developed a more nuanced understanding of Jews and their collective strengths and weaknesses.

Most people most of the time prefer their own kind but under enough stress, they can support hurting outsiders. Under enough stress, most people can turn ugly. The election of Donald Trump was in part a reaction to the stress of living in multicultural America. The more people are forced to mix with people who different from them, the more likely they are to hate out-groups. There’s only significant anti-Semitism in Australia, for example, where people are likely to encounter Jews (Sydney and Melbourne).

White separatists, like black separatists and Jewish separatists (the de facto mode of Orthodox Judaism), are usually reacting to the stress of being forced to mix with people with whom they are not compatible. Without that stress, people have other priorities than racial and religious separation.

For decades in America, racial and religious identity has been praised for everyone but white Christians. Now the white Christian majority is becoming more conscious of their separate identity from those outside of their group.

The Holocaust, for example, did not begin until Germany started losing WWII and was under great stress. Genocides are usually the product of extreme competition for scarce resources. Racial and religious and ethnic strife is the rational product of conflicts of interest. Aside from the perspective of faith, there are no good guys and bad guys in the universe, just different forms of life competing for survival.

I think every people — red, white yellow and black and Jewish — want to feel safe and in control of their own communities.

At one time or another, I have shed tears for the suffering of almost every major group, but much of the time, I care primarily about my group (be that group Americans or Jews or Australians or Anglos). Caring about the suffering of others is not the opposite of indifference. Each mode is fully human and often healthy, each mode is simply a product of time and place and circumstance and genes. At times, I can be caring and empathic, and at other times, I have to concentrate solely on the well-being of myself and those close to me. There are times in life when a healthy person has to be very hard and uncaring and at other times, this same person will likely show kindness and compassion. The more stress you are under, the less likely you are to care for others, particularly those who are different from you.

The comparison elicited aghast stares from the crowd late last month. It was a reminder that Damigo, a 30-year-old Cal State Stanislaus student, was far from the like-minded white men he had just spent the weekend with in Washington during a gathering where some stretched out their arms in Nazi salutes.

What a way to describe the National Policy Institute conference.

“Bigotry” and “racism” and “anti-Semitism” are just slurs to describe people who are naturally reacting to group conflicts of interest.

Jonathan Haidt published an important essay on nationalism a few months ago:

Nationalists see patriotism as a virtue; they think their country and its culture are unique and worth preserving. This is a real moral commitment, not a pose to cover up racist bigotry. Some nationalists do believe that their country is better than all others, and some nationalisms are plainly illiberal and overtly racist. But as many defenders of patriotism have pointed out, you love your spouse because she or he is yours, not because you think your spouse is superior to all others. Nationalists feel a bond with their country, and they believe that this bond imposes moral obligations both ways: Citizens have a duty to love and serve their country, and governments are duty bound to protect their own people. Governments should place their citizens interests above the interests of people in other countries.
There is nothing necessarily racist or base about this arrangement or social contract. Having a shared sense of identity, norms, and history generally promotes trust. Having no such shared sense leads to the condition that the sociologist Émile Durkheim described as “anomie” or normlessness. Societies with high trust, or high social capital, produce many beneficial outcomes for their citizens: lower crime rates, lower transaction costs for businesses, higher levels of prosperity, and a propensity toward generosity, among others. A liberal nationalist can reasonably argue that the debate over immigration policy in Europe is not a case of what is moral versus what is base, but a case of two clashing moral visions, incommensurate (à la Isaiah Berlin). The trick, from this point of view, is figuring out how to balance reasonable concerns about the integrity of one’s own community with the obligation to welcome strangers, particularly strangers in dire need.

Blog post:

A while ago, France banned the burqa under the generic guise of banning “face-covering.” How cowardly and French to not just name the object of your legislation, but instead aim to exorcise a particular demon by creating a vague umbrella term. No ski masks either!

Then last year, Denmark banned Kosher and Halal meat production. To their credit, less cowardly than France, they named their foe–but in the name of a protest against animal cruelty. “Nothing against you, Jews and Muslims; we just think we kill animals more humanely.”

In a surprise reversal, even Angela Merkel recently advocated banning the burqa “wherever legally possible.” Of course, waiting until the two-minute warning sounded wasn’t maybe brilliant, but better late than never?

Then this morning I read that doctors in Denmark want to ban circumcision–oy vey!

A friend emails: “The thing about progressive pluralism. They are really interested in a veneer of diversity. They envision everyone basically progressive. With ethnic dress.”

What does all of this signify? In my mind, it is the locus of two colliding forces–the logos (reason, reality) and the pathos (emotion, desire). Western peoples are going to have to decide whether they are going to be universalists or identitarians, and the moment is coming to its crisis in a way that will not allow the “implicit” universalism of the past to suffice. Our hope was that any immigrants who moved into our nations would immediately take to our implicit universalism. Our hope was that people would not show a preference for “their own kind,” because our hope was that they would recognize that “kind” is a construct–that they would therefore feel their connection to all human beings equally. But as it turns out, in reality, people do tend to prefer the company of their own kind. Those who wear burqas feel more comfortable around others who wear burqas. People who eat kosher tend to prefer the company of others who eat kosher. Instead of “becoming Danes,” the people who have moved to Denmark have become Muslims who live in Denmark, or Jews who live in Denmark. The same goes for Germany. And just because there’s a universalist poem on the statue of liberty does not mean that the logos can be avoided in America. Either we have a national identity and require others to submit to it, require them to assimilate–even at the very real prospect of their being offended or even refusing to move here–or else we don’t. And the universalists want to believe that “or else we don’t” will turn out great, that everyone will get along, that there will be no ethnic conflict, no struggles for power, no disenfranchisement of minority groups. But many of the people who already live here are resisting assimilation, and those who are moving here are not showing signs of assimiliation. No one wants to have their identity erased and replaced.

The easiest way to see this is to note the change in the relationship between “African-Americans” (note the dual-nature of identity implicit in the term) and America. Mind you, their resistance is justified. That’s why I’m noting their case as an example. Until about 1960, black Americans had spent almost 100 years trying to assimilate. By the 1950s, many black fathers were working two jobs, wearing dress shirts, cutting their hair short, and naming their sons “Sam” and “Joe.” But America wasn’t rewarding their attempt to assimilate. The 88% majority–whites–weren’t comfortable hiring these men, or letting them move into the neighborhood, or letting them swim in the neighborhood pool, or drink out of the same fountain. And so finally, in the 1960s, and especially in the 1970s, black Americans began to resist. They grew afros in 1971. They insisted on different terminology–“Afro-American” or “black” to replace “Negro” or what has become known as “the n- word.” They wore zoot suits. They named their children distinctly black names.

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Los Angeles Times Calls New York Times Science Writer Nicholas Wade A ‘Racial Provocateur’!

Los Angeles Times:

He was convicted of armed robbery and spent a year in county jail and four years in prison for the crime.

Damigo said he was embarrassed and guilt-ridden by the robbery. Still, he considers the time alone in prison a gift of sorts.

“Because you have nothing but time to think in prison, that’s when I finally started looking at the more intellectual roots and started researching books and literature on race and identity,” he said.

He was greatly influenced, he said, by “My Awakening,” the book by former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, and by racial provocateurs J. Philippe Rushton and Nicholas Wade.

He came out of prison with a belief that there is a genetic basis for certain behaviors and intellect, distinguished by race — that a black person is more likely than a white person to be less intelligent and more violent, for example.

Such ideas have been roundly denounced by biologists and geneticists as unscientific. And racist.

For some time after prison, Damigo led the now-defunct National Youth Front, the youth wing of the nationalist American Freedom Party, which the Southern Poverty Law Center describes as an organization founded by “racist Southern California skinheads that aims to deport immigrants and return the United States to white rule.”

In March, Damigo founded Identity Evropa, which bills itself as a “generation of awakened Europeans” who “oppose those who would defame our history and rich cultural heritage.” Among the application questions for Identity Evropa is whether applicants are “of European, non-Semitic heritage.”

The group posts fliers around college campuses nationwide with slogans like “Let’s Become Great Again” and “Protect Your Heritage.”

In October, after Identity Evropa’s material began appearing on California campuses, someone posted fliers on Cal State Stanislaus’ campus with Damigo’s face and a warning that he was a “known white supremacist and violent offender.”

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Why Are Australia’s Schools In Decline?

Comments at Steve Sailer:

* One would think Australia’s replace-the-bogan immigration policy should be improving PISA scores. But Australian schools are in ‘absolute decline’ globally says PISA report. How is this so?

* Can’t see scores for Asian-Australians or White-Australians but there are scores for ‘Indigenous’-Australians – ie Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders. They don’t do well.

https://www.acer.edu.au/files/PISA-First-Look.pdf#page77

Immigrant Background – could be Asian, could be Arabs or Africans.

https://www.acer.edu.au/files/PISA-First-Look.pdf#page88

Entire file.

https://www.acer.edu.au/files/PISA-First-Look.pdf

East Asians have done very well in past.

https://johnjerrim.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/australia_asia_paper.pdf

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Why Have Conservative Pundits Fallen In Behind Trump?

The New Yorker: Since the election, though, few, if any, blog posts or articles have appeared in the main conservative outlets straightforwardly arguing, conceding, or lamenting that the election of this unfit demagogue is a bad thing. This man they’d execrated and denounced had shocked the world—not just by being his shocking self but by winning; nobody expected him to win!—and yet from them this evoked no reaction. No articles about the Caesarist threat. No articles about a Trump-defiled common culture. No articles about how our ship of state will soon have at its helm the notorious Captain Id. With everyone else flung into various states of surprise and alarm, the conservative magazines went meta. They reacted to other people’s reactions, mainly those of “the left.” If you read National Review in the days after the election, you’d have thought that the big news of the week wasn’t the world-jolting victory of a candidate whom the magazine had itself denounced as “a menace,” a man so foul that it would not endorse him against Hillary freakin’ Clinton, but that liberals were upset enough about this outcome to do some post-election protesting.

But we know they have their misgivings, or did. We know the folks at The Weekly Standard think Trump’s current business entanglements pose troubling conflicts, because in April the magazine ran an article arguing, convincingly, that such conflicts—contrary to Trump’s recent claims—would put his Presidency in legal as well as ethical and political jeopardy. Since the election, though, with these conflicts becoming a bigger and sleazier story every week, The Weekly Standard (like Commentary and National Review) has had nothing to say on the topic. And we know that the folks at Commentary don’t like General Michael Flynn, Trump’s choice for national-security adviser, because, in a post-election podcast (18:40), Noah Rothman offhandedly said, “Oh, he’s awful,” and the other podcasters, Podhoretz and Abe Greenwald, agreed. But what you won’t find on the Web site of The Weekly Standard or National Review is an article or blog post saying “Michael Flynn is awful.” (Rothman, writing for Commentary, called his selection “deeply unsettling.”)

National Review did run a piece by Tom Rogan admitting that Flynn is the “wrong pick” for national-security adviser, but its gentle, equivocal, occasionally laudatory language cut weirdly against the evidence it contained—which added up to a portrait of, well, someone awful. It read like a damning, incontrovertible takedown of Flynn given a vigorous line edit by Flynn’s best friend. Rogan outlines a record of lying and résumé-padding as well as terrible management and scary judgment, and then summarizes it as “a complex picture” of someone who “evidently served the nation with honor.” The title of the article, by the way, is “Why Mike Flynn is the Wrong Pick for National-Security Adviser.” Mike. Buddy.

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