Luke Ford

Most Jews in the West vote for left-wing parties, but most Orthodox Jews in the West vote for conservative parties. Orthodox Judaism is the opposite of radical.

Comments:

* This interview is interesting in the glimpses it offers into the ‘radical’ mind and ‘Jewish’ mindset.
Sometimes, it’s hard to tell which is which, and it was a mystery even to those who held them. Their Jewishness had been decisive in the radical path they took, but the path was a way out of Jewishness and toward a new humanity without labels and borders. A kind of paradox where being something leads to something that negates that very being.

* My theory is Jewish hatred for American oil tycoons has to do with the fact that it’s one of the few industries in The U.S where Gentile billionaires & millionaires outnumber Jewish billionaires & millionaires. It’s a jealousy factor. Jews get jealous when they see Goys dominate an industry and outperform them. The oil industry is the Goy’s version of Wall Street.

* It is not so much what Rex Tillerson has said or done, but that he will be in a Trump cabinet. If he were in a Bush cabinet, the Forward wouldn’t care, cause they know they could sway Tillerson thru Bush. They can’t sway Trump like Presidents of the past 30 years, so they are extra nervous.
Trump is apt to be amenable to win-win scenarios with a strand of Likud thinking. But, he won’t be guilt-tripped by Jewish leftists into manipulating refugee policy to make the US a dumping ground, or setting foreign aid budgets at reckless levels.

* Trump’s policies are in opposition to the Jewish establishment across the board.

That is not to say he is anti-semitic. He is simply free to follow his natural impulses as a guy who loves his country. Which is, of course, anathema, to the powers that be.

Trump is not puppeteered by Jewish money and therefore he is pursuing a straight ahead patriotic goy platform. Oy vey!

* “I made a startling discovery: his [David Horowitz] eyes were those of literally a madman.”

I believe it.. but it takes a ‘madman’ to understand what is really up with the radicals and hipsters of his generation.

I think a lot of normal people don’t really get power. People usually project their own personalities and mentalities onto others. So, normal people don’t really get the real darkness of the obsessed. Nice dorks like Rich Lowry just don’t get it. Lowry is gooey enough to think that if he treats Al Sharpton nice, the good decent Negro will come out of that dude.

Horowitz gets it. He has a bit of madness in him, and he can imagine the same darkness in others, especially those in power. It’s like Mamet movies, always a bit paranoid of the darkest motives of the other fella or gal. Sometimes, the darkness could be of skill & power, like in HOUSE OF GAMES. Sometimes, the darkness could be radical stupidity, like the girl in OLEANNA. The nice liberal professor just doesn’t get it cuz he projects his rationality onto that moron creature driven by resentment and anger.

Politics has several kinds of people. The drivers who are always a bit mad, obsessive, and extreme in personality, even if well-hidden. And then, there are the opportunists who just want a piece of the pie. Romney is a classic opportunist, and most politicos are like him.
Most people would rather follow and get a piece of the pie that forge ahead. Trump is a driver, and his kind of madness may have stirred something in Horowitz.

It’s like John Wayne as the obsessive driver of events in RED RIVER and THE SEARCHERS.
He’s a bit mad — trying to kill his ‘son’ figure in RIVER and ‘daughter’ figure in SEARCHERS —, but he never relents and always forges ahead.

* Seems like Ken Cohen, the longtime Exxon VP of government & public affairs who retired last year, might be worth calling if you’re writing a story like this for The Forward.

* Steve Sailer: There have been Jews who were very successful in the oil biz, like Armand Hammer who did well in Libya. Shell was founded by a Jewish Brit. The Rothschilds funded the Russian oil biz way back around the beginning of the 20th Century.

The top writer on oil industry history is Daniel Yergin from Beverly Hills (I think he’s doing something with Trump’s transition team). His book “The Prize” is very good.

But in general it’s just not that Jewish of a business.

* [“There’s some real causes of concern,” said Ron Halber, executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Washington, and an influential voice on Jewish communal policy.]

Tillerson must have been raised by George Lincoln Rockwell. Or blood brother to Louis Farrakhan…

[A lifelong Exxon Mobil executive, Tillerson has no public service background, and no public track record on Israel-related issues.]

So becoming Sec of State is like becoming Pope, but for Jews. It’s not acceptable just to never have had a problem with Catholics. You have to have devoted your life to the cause.

* I know from the book that Americans from every walk of life had a hand in this surge of energy production. What role have you seen people from a Jewish background playing in the early stages of this fracking revolution?

I was struck and surprised by the impact of various Jews on energy in general, on the evolution of the industry. George Mitchell, the father or grandfather of modern-day drilling and fracking, got his early boost by courting local Jewish investors in the Houston and Galveston area. I interviewed Mr. Mitchell before his recent death and he regaled me with stories of how — and this is something only a 90-something-year-old entrepreneur from Texas can maybe get away with — stories of how the Jews were both good backers and investors and supporters but also gave him a really hard time when he couldn’t find any oil and gas, but he had fond memories of going back and forth with his various Jewish backers, and frankly they kept him going when things were tough, when he was getting his start and even afterwards.

* James Baker was sui generis. I imagine, like Kevin Macdonald and, I think, Steve Sailer, he had negative experiences with Jews during his early adulthood. His anti-Israel obsession had nothing to do with his broader politics. The broader theme is that the elite wants to use *anti-semitism!* as a way of protecting itself. The problem is that Trump has too man Jewish connections and supporters. The idea seems to be to throw around anything that might make Jews’ Anne-Frank-Movie-Flashbacks kick in so that these connections/supporters fall away. It’s of a piece with the various other increasingly pathetic and desperate response the Left/elite is making to this election.

* Could Trump be thinking about pacifying our relationship with Russia before he starts to really put the squeeze on China? Is he capable of thinking that strategically?

* Openly admiring National Socialism makes a lot more sense than openly admiring communism. National Socialism failed, once. Communism has failed over and over and over.

* It is of course possible that Horowitz kicked Auster off his magazine because he (Auster) was difficult to work with. Auster was widely considered to be a difficult man. Although it is probably true that Horowitz did not want to acknowledge race-realism. Perhaps Horowitz believes it, but he still might not want to talk about it.

I liked both Horowitz and Auster. They both had valuable things to say, and said them well. Horowitz’ books – especially Radical Son – were quite influential in the formation of my thinking. And I liked how he turned the rhetorical tactics of the left against them. Learning from the left is something that the right must do to win.

* There were no Jews in Bush’s first cabinet. On the other hand, it contained three Arabs.

* Horowitz takes the Breitbartian implicitly-pro-white-but-not-anti-Zionist middle ground. It’s actually not that crazy. Really, you can go after George Soros and support Binyamin Netanyahu. The Israelis aren’t obsessed with increasing illegal immigration, that’s liberal diaspora Jews.

* Oil industry execs have to make deals with Muslims because they have lots of oil. That means being nice to Israel is bad for them.

* The muslims who have a lot of the oil don’t seem very hostile to Israel nowadays. There seems to be some sort of secret understanding between Israel, Saudi Arabia, and some of the Gulf States, that goes beyond a mere temporary alliance of convenience.

* Israel and all the Gulf States are allies now, united by their common fear of Iran. But the Saudis and all the others still need to pay lip service to the Palestinian cause, and that typically means pushing Israel to make various dangerous strategic concessions.

* Orthodox Jews are plenty Zionist, except for a few isolated sects. What they’re not is particularly anti-white, since they lack any liberal guilt.

People on the alt-right use ‘Zionist’ to mean ‘supporting the global, universalist elite’ because lots of liberal Jews do, but it really just means ‘supporting the state of Israel’.

* 99% of orthodox Jews are not only pro-Israel, they’re the most pro-Israel Jews you’ll ever meet.

* With the exception of Satmar and a few aligned sects even “anti-Zionist” Haredim are what most people would consider to be pro-Israel. If you ask the typical Hassid what he thinks should be done about rockets from Gaza his response will range from “burn it to the ground”, to “burn it to the ground”. Their anti-Zionism consists of being against army-service and hatred of abstract symbols like the Magen David (once common as a decoration in religious books, now totally absent) and dead people kike Ben Gurion. One of the largest Haredi population centres, Beitar Illit, is a settlement, they’re not keen to see its population evacuated.

Comments at Steve Sailer:

* Trump fills his cabinet with Goldman Sachs execs, and idiots still say he’ll be unfavorable to Jewish tribalist causes.

* “In general, people who have led oil companies are not that friendly to Israel,” Klein said. “That concerns me.”

In general Muslim immigrants are not friendly to Jews and Israel, but that hasn’t stopped most Jews from supporting massive Muslim immigration into North America and Europe.

* I’ve got a postage stamp here and a pencil and I’m going to make the definitive list of everything that does not spook jewish groups.

* News flash for Messrs. Halber, Klein, et al.:

The US Secretary of State serve the US, not Israel. Israel has its own government for that.

That’s what different governments are for.

* It’s almost as if Trump is selecting people who he thinks are competent and will do a good job. The benefits of running a tight campaign and not owing a thousand favors tends to scare those the most connected. What country is more connected politically in the U.S. than Isreal?

* One Jewish guy who isn’t spooked.

[David] Horowitz isn’t Alt Right (in no shape or form), but if anyone on the ‘right’ foreshadowed something like the Alt Right, it was Horowitz.

While Alt Right pays homage to Gottfried and Rothbard, neither was the kind of dogged fighter that Horowitz was.

Neocons sought respectability and establishment position. Horowitz, though allied with Neocons on the Israel issue, was far more committed to combating the ‘left’. And he always regarded the ‘left’ as the bigger enemy of the Jews. He knew about the ‘left’ because he’d been part of the 60s Left that made the ‘long march through the institutions’ and became the GLOB. In a way, the GLOB was more dangerous. While 60s radicals had crazy ideas and were delusional, they were driven by some real ideals. But over time, they became cynical, and it was all about the Power. Hillary and those around her were prime examples of this.

Neocons were just happy to gain control of GOP, push Zionist agenda, and even work with Libs and the ‘left’ to suppress White-conscious Conservatism.

Though Horowitz, as Zionist, cannot be a fan of white-centric Alt Right, he is a firm believer that the biggest enemy of the West is the Left and Glob. In this, he was more principled than the Neocons and Cucks who were mainly for position and status.

* There was a National Review gathering in the early 90s when a bunch of respectable luminaries gave nice-sounding speeches. Horowitz then appeared on stage and warned them that they don’t have what it takes to take on the Enemy that is far more dogged, cynical, driven, radical, and ruthless. And given what happened in coming yrs, Horowitz was right.
Where he was wrong was the failure to see that this danger came not only from the ‘left’ but from Neocons who got overly power-hungry and corrupt. Horowitz’s Zionism made him overlook the excesses of the Neocons and Bush II. Still, his attack on NeverTrump Neocons in 2016 indicates his disenchantment with them. Horowitz saw them as careerists than good soldiers.

Now, Horowitz’s reason for supporting Trump is very different from that of Alt Right, but both sides seems to understand that a new vanguard is necessary to move away from old staid and defunct paradigms of power. These are radical times.

Also, Neocons grew out of Trotskyism prior to the 60s. Its heyday was when leftist radicalism was still adult and ‘conservative’ and mature in style. The ideas were radical but the personal style was still respectable, restrained, and even ‘bourgeois’. After all, even Trotsky himself didn’t have a tattoo on his ass or indulge in homomania.

So, former Trotskyites didn’t really get what the 60s were about. They just took flight from the crazy left of the 60s and found a new home in the GOP as the Democrats seemed to cave too much to black demands. (As immigration and globalism made the Democrats increasing the Diversity party and Free Trade party and LESS the black party and white ‘dumb Polack’ labor party, some neocons began to move back. But then, BLM & BDS prolly triggered a good number of Jews even if they mostly stuck with Hillary. If Hillary’s loss leads to Democratic Party being taken over by blacks and anti-Zionist POC, it could spell exodus of Jews.)
In contrast, Horowitz was in the very thick of 60s radicalism that was far more nihilistic, narcissistic, and decadent that ‘leftism’ of an earlier time. Those elements of excesses of 60s culture meant that future politics could be more no-holds-barred, reckless, and insane.
If Neocons didn’t get 60s radicalism and just ran from it, Horowitz was at its center and saw everything. So, he knows the mind-set of the Left. Now, he must know that the hardcore 60s leftist types didn’t gain the most power. After all, it was the middle-of-roaders like Clintons and Obamas and Kerrys that gained power, not the Bill Ayers and Abbie Hoffman’s. But Horowitz is convinced that the entire Left spectrum since the 60s is infected with the same nihilistic spirit. Given the rise of homomania and reckless globalist open borders rhetoric, he may be right. GLOB went capitalist, but its spirit is totally nihilistic and destructive of order, the organic, and the meaningful. What the Right failed to understand is that this destructive spirit could also animate the capitalists. If there is anything that unites Wall Street goons like Jordan Belfort and commies like Bill Ayers, it’s their utter nihilism. Anything goes for the struggle, power, and wealth. No holds barred.

And we’ve seen that with the rise of Progs trained and brainwashed by boomer radical globs. And in a way, Trump is also part of this excessive politics of boomer era. Fewer inhibitions, wilder, more aggressive, shameless, blustering, and etc. But Trump victory suggests that some are waking to the fact that in the new order, fire must be met with fire.