From Open Borders:
How Would a Billion Immigrants Change the American Polity?
AUGUST 14, 2015 NATHAN SMITH 30 COMMENTS
and
A Billion Immigrants: Continuing the Conversation
SEPTEMBER 23, 2015 NATHAN SMITHMy recent post, “How Would a Billion Immigrants Change the American Polity?” attracted a fair amount of attention, most recently an article in the Washington Examiner with the deliciously intriguing headline “Open Borders Would Produce Dystopia, says Open Borders Advocate.” The headline, which somewhat misrepresents the more balanced article by Michael Barone that appears beneath it, is a crude caricature yet in its way bracingly lucid, for it points to what I think this debate has clarified, namely, that the chief difference between open borders advocates and their critics lies not in what they foresee but in how they assess it. …
Nathan Smith is an assistant professor of economics at Fresno Pacific University. He did his Ph.D. in economics from George Mason University.
Fresno is a good place from which to get an inkling of what Open Borders has in store for America.
Fresno is much more eye-opening than the lavishly taxpayer-subsidized D.C. Deep State suburbs where George Mason U. is located.
Alternatively, Salinas, California might be an instructive model for the servant society of the future. Unlike Fresno, which is far away from rich people, Salinas is only 22 miles from Carmel-by-the-Sea, but it’s tucked away from the coast so it doesn’t trouble rich people’s sightlines.
COMMENTS:
* Bringing in a billion 3rd worlders with a average 80 IQ would be a political, economic and ecological nightmare. The U.S. would cease to exist.
Not that you’d ever find a economist who cares about that that, given that most are no more court astrologers for the wealthy and powerful.
The reason why the wealthy support open borders is because it destroys the value of labor and human right and makes them wealthier in the process.
And that’s what matters. In fact it’s the defining factor in this years presidential race. Where we have a bunch of open borders globalists vs. the solitary nationalist who wants to build a wall and impose tariffs.
* I’ve said in jest the quickest way to end the left’s cries of “racism” in criminal justice is, as a condition of parole and probation, to force parolees and and probationers to live in specialized housing located only in the richest blue-voting areas of their state. That would end a lot of opposition to the state being “tough on crime.”
As Voxday explains, “SJW’s always lie.” Illegal aliens could share happy family lives with their children in their own countries, forever undisturbed by “US immigration enforcement,” but choose instead to mistreat their own children out of recklessness or greed. European coast guards don’t kill migrants at sea,* rather smugglers and migratory muslims kill migrants at sea– and no economic migrants would die if they just stayed home!
Australia stopped “these things” quite “simply” by stopping the boats and refusing Australian residence to illegal migrants.
*Perhaps Smith is right to blame European coast guards for migrant deaths, but only because the politicians in charge of European coast guards have invited migrants to use them as free ferry services– sending boats to pick up migrants who paddle out from the North African coast in dinghies which they capsize deliberately when they see European coast guard vessels, which then transport said migrants to the SJW paradise of welfare payments for unemployable rapists.
* Neal Stephenson’s sci-fi novel “Snow Crash” is an interesting thing because different people describe its picture of a privatized future America run by corporations and ethnic groups as either “dystopian” or “utopian.”
* America is finished, kaput. Its future is a slightly improved Latin America mixed with Hong Kong. I don’t even know why so many want to immigrate to that doomed country.
Maybe Australia and New Zealand can keep the Anglosphere going on. (Canada also isn’t going to survive, their multiculturalization is happening even faster than in the US, considering that it was 95% white just 30 years ago and now it’s 25% non-white)
I have more faith that Germany, Italy or even Spain (not France, France is fucked as well) will survive as nations in the 22nd century than the US (at least, a recognizably Anglo US).
The fact is that this so-called “globalization” or world immigration in such a large scale is in many ways a new phenomenon, thanks in large part to technology, but also to a certain mentality, and if White-Europeans want to survive, they need to adapt.
Maybe they need to become like Jews and find ways to avoid assimilation, or maybe they need to become nazis and build walls and shoot people, or if not find other ways to isolate themselves from the dark masses, perhaps become like the Amish, I don’t really know, but whatever they are doing now, is not working.
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What’s your beef? Salinas is a Libertarian paradise! All the moocher institutions have been privatized and the police are on patrol instead of coaching midnight basketball!
All kidding aside, California cities full of Mexicans are likely to exhibit the famous Mexican pattern of starting, then abandoning public works. Mexico is littered with crumbling buildings which were supposed to be public amenities but now house squatters or shelter goats. Mexican politicians love ribbon-cutting ceremonies so they spend their budgets all on construction, not operations– indeed, a lot of individual Mexicans behave the same way.
* Mainland China has several underpopulated ghost towns with beautiful high rise 1st World looking apartment buildings. But most of the locals can not afford to purchase or rent an apartment in these areas.
This is how you know Mainland China is still not a fully developed 1st World Country. The per capita purchasing power of the average Mainland Chinese household is still far below that of White Western nation households.
I doubt Mainland China will ever become a 1st World Country. Too much government corruption combined with the average Mainland Han Chinese IQ being quite low.
The only reason it seems like the average Mainland Han Chinese IQ is so high to us Americans is because we get their cream of the crop minority elite. But average Mainland Han Chinese IQ is closer to that of Filipinos than it is to Ashkenazis, Italians and Anglo Saxon Protestants for example.
Poverty in Mainland China makes Appalachian poverty look middle class in comparison.
* It’s interesting how the age of mass migration from poor countries to rich countries has been paralleled by a widening economic gulf between rich and poor countries. In the 1950s, when the West has much tighter immigration politices, the gap between the West and the rest was much less than it is today.
However, our elites seem to be of the view that increasing immigration to the west will somehow reduce third world poverty. No one seems to consider the opposite possibility – that immigration from the third world to the West increases poverty in the third world, without benefiting the West much either.
As we’ve gone from a nationalist to an internationalist world, we’ve stopped looking for national solutions to national problems and turned them into global problems requiring global solutions (everyone loves talking global). Now every country’s problems – be they economic, demographic, ethnic, environmental or law and order issues are somebody else’s problem.
* Can you imagine how safer hoverboards would be if they were being built by White people instead of the Chinese. There would definitely be way less incidents of them catching fire.
But since it is a lot cheaper for companies to pay Chinese people instead of Whites to built these things, hoverboards will never be made in White countries.
Since China has a larger labor workforce due to their 1 billion plus population, they can make more hoverboards in mass bulk.
The Chinese are all about creating quantity, not quality.
* The Left says that more Vibrant Diversity equals more options when it comes to food, but Vibrant DIEversity also equals more cases of food poisoning in the U.S.
The two times in my life where I got food poisoning, one was from a Mexican restaurant and the other from a Korean restaurant.
I have never gotten food poisoning from a restaurant that serves European cuisine like Italian, French, German, and Greek.
* Libertarians argue that western countries are better at employing people to produce wealth, so people in poorly run countries should move to and work in western countries where they will be more productive.
Question: wouldn’t it be more efficient if western countries just ran poor countries directly and made everyone there more productive without them having to move?
Since this would be so beneficial, shouldn’t Pakistan just say “please American, please run our country for us?” Why are there no candidates in any poor countries running on this platform?
* What this guy wants is to change the US into a microcosm of the planet. Different races would compete with each other, each forming its own enclave. He talks about the resultant rise of private security companies. These would be just armies in embryo. Isn’t this exactly how the world divided into separate states in the first place?
All mass immigration would do is reboot history by importing all the different nationalities and replaying their conflicts on American soil.
* There’s a weird new race consciousness in the air.
Today, here in the Bay Area, I had a conversation with an old friend (an American-born East Indian Hindu) about German/European immigration policies. He looked me straight in the eye and said, “You people are idiots!”
He was suddenly talking to me as a white person. I guess Merkel’s making us all look stupid.
* Mexico is a New World nation blessed with many resources, two large coastlines and a nice climate. It is the only nation with free trade access to both the US and EU markets. It should be a destination for immigrants like the British-founded New World nations. Instead it is the largest source nation of immigrants to the US, sending almost as many immigrants in 35 years as the next two largest source nations have sent in four hundred years. Large immigration waves from such a nation should not be happening. It speaks volumes to the nation they have created.
* Studies have repeatedly shown the average IQ of mainland Han Chinese to be around 105, which is slightly lower than Chinese-Americans but higher than any white gentile group. The Chinese are the Jews of Asia, dominating the elite in every country where they are found in significant numbers. Outside the People’s Republic, the places where Han Chinese form a majority (Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore) are wealthy, first-world countries.
Poverty in China has nothing to do with IQ and everything to do with communism. And before communism, the Japanese, and before the Japanese, centuries of emperors who cut off all contact with the “barbarian” outside world.
* I once ate lunch at a Burger King in Salinas, almost ten years ago.
The vinyl cushions in all of the seats were green, red and white (like Mexico’s flag) and mariachi music was playing over the loudspeaker.
Good times.
* I wonder why libertarian economists seek tenured positions. Shouldn’t they be selling their ideas in the free market?
