High Trust Vs Low Trust Societies

Comments to Steve Sailer:

* Hungary has been fighting Muslim invasions for over 500 years. Hungary has experienced the conflict and eventual collapse of three multicultural empires, the Ottoman Empire, Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Soviet Empire. The EU is likely Hungary’s fourth bite at the apple of being in a multi-cultural empire.

Hungary is also a lower trust, more diverse society, which likely knows the precarious status of civil society. Iceland is high trust and homogenous without much experience with diversity or civil strife.

* The majority of union workers in the US now are employed by various government bureaucracies. Mass migration now may actually expand job opportunities for union workers in public sector bureaucracies relating to welfare, immigration and law enforcement. Mass immigration is no longer viewed as competition, but an aggregate demand stimulus for government expansion.

* The problem (in Hungary and Romania if not in Finland) is that a lot of people seemed to equate “Bolshevik” with “Jewish”. While there certainly were Jewish Bolsheviks, especially in the early days, not all Bolsheviks were Jews nor (by far) were all Jews Bolsheviks. A lot of Hungarian Jews identified very strongly as Hungarian patriots. Stalin himself was no Jew lover in his later years. But a lot of locals took the war against Bolshevism as a license to oppress their local Jewish population. Not only were hundreds of thousands shipped off to be gassed at Auschwitz with the cooperation of the local authorities, but many of the local Jewish men (while not trusted to serve in the military itself) were conscripted as forced labor to dig trenches, etc. on the Eastern front lines where they were treated very poorly.

What happened to Hungarian Olympic fencer Attila (note the super patriotic Hungarian name) Petschauer was unfortunately all too illustrative.

These atrocities were committed by the Hungarians themselves without needing any encouragement from the Germans.

I don’t envy the position of the nations of central Europe in the 40′s – caught between the devil of Hitler and the deep blue sea of Stalin. They really had no good choices. But I’m not sure taking it out on the local Jewish population was really the right move.

* The Bela Kun thing probably didn’t help. But there might have been other things that made the locals dislike the Jews. The Spanish felt the Jews collaborated with the Moors, the Ukrainians thought they had helped the Poles oppress them, and the Greeks thought they had helped the Turks collect the child tax. I don’t know much about Hungarian history, but there are probably grievances the locals have.

This is the problem you have when a group remains separate from the society at large. Whether the separate group is Jewish or some other ethnic group like Germans, if they are perceived as separate from the main group and of helping other groups oppress the main group, then they will be a target.

* There were a lot of reasons for “East Europeans” to be allied with Nazi Germany, and, for that matter, for a lot Europeans to support Nazism, without at the same time supporting the persecution and murder of Jews.

The fascist Arrow Cross of Hungary was responsible for a certain number of Jewish deaths, and perhaps also Rumania but I think Finland was largely guiltless, as far as the Holocaust goes. But before we even begin to blame things on Finland, let’s not forget that Stalin declared war on them first.

* The Jewish connection was not only with Bolsheviks. If you were a leftist, or a fascist with a social bent in favor of nativist worker’s rights (like Codreanu’s Iron Legion, which I have recently learned has an oddly large Internet fan base abroad), then you were also against exploitative capitalism. Jews figured prominently there as well. It all comes down to power and the Other.

* The megaphone is turned on when the Hungarian Jobbik camerawoman is filmed (and fired for) tripping the old man carrying a child, but the megaphone is turned off when, just moments before, the same woman was (on film) almost knocked over herself by waves of charging immigrants, who were charging past police containment lines (and therefore, in essence, breaking the law.) Hers was a futile attempt to aid the police in stopping those migrants who were escaping. Nothing more. But there was a little kid crying over his fall, and that’s all that matters.

* I am not sure why German companies don’t realize that their reputation for quality comes from their German workers. Replacing German for Syrian or Turkish quality will do the same for their reputation and profits as the crappy quality US auto makers were known for did for theirs.

* My new tactic when discussing race/migration/invasion with SJW types: I declare myself as racist and call them such also. I point out that like me) they live in predominantly white and protected neighborhoods, 2) and have close to zero black/brown “friends” on their Facebook feed, etc…If I consider myself racist by such markers then there is no reason they should not be considered racist also.

Now, I have no idea whether these SJWs do live in protected white areas or whether or not they have any colored Facebook “friends”, no matter. To a man and woman they all become flustered, defensive and are at a loss for words. They stammer on that such markers are not determinative, etc. I insist that they are. Being objectively assessed as racist breaks their tender hearts. Everytime I use this tactic it has a satisfying effect. Make the SJWs eat their “personal is political” mantra till they choke on it.

MORE COMMENTS:

* The bizarre thing about Juncker’s position in all this is that he sees it as perfectly natural and morally acceptable for foreigners to fight to enter another nation to reach safety but morally wrong for the inhabitants of that nation to resist the influx to preserve their safety and way of life.

Given that Muslims have a demonstrated record of violence and intolerance in Europe the balance between the two competing interests has to favor the people of Europe in blocking the influx of foreigners especially as there are alternatives such as camps in Turkey, Jordan or even in Greece, which could use the money and jobs involved in holding these people if the EU would pay for it.

* In any other age, a large group of males between the ages of 18 and 40 crossing a border into a foreign country would be rightly considered an army on campaign – an invasion. Why is it any different now?

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