Heather Mac Donald posts: In enjoining Arizona’s landmark immigration law, U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton maintains the Obama administration’s carefully cultivated fiction: that what concerns the White House regarding S.B. 1070 is its effect on legal, rather than illegal, aliens. Almost nowhere in the government’s briefs or the judge’s ruling is the arrest and detention of illegal aliens addressed. This fiction is transparent, however. The real threat posed by S.B. 1070 was that it would disrupt the de facto amnesty that the executive branch has accorded to the vast majority of illegal aliens. It would start to implement congressional mandates and the public will that the immigration laws be enforced. For that reason, it had to be stopped.
So determined was Judge Bolton to follow the Obama administration’s political strategy regarding the law’s putative impact on legal immigrants that she exploited a drafting error in the law that Arizona had already acknowledged and repudiated. S.B. 1070 authorizes local law-enforcement officers to check the immigration status of individuals they have lawfully stopped, if they have reasonable suspicion that the individual is in the country illegally, and if the inquiry into immigration status is practicable. S.B. 1070 also required that “any person who is arrested shall have the person’s immigration status determined before the person is released.” Arizona stated in its brief and testified in court that the legislative intent behind that sentence regarding arrestees was that only people for whom there is already reasonable suspicion that they are in the country illegally would have their immigration status checked after arrest. The section does not apply to every arrestee.
Judge Bolton rejected that testimony, however, in order to buttress the White House claim that large numbers of legal aliens would be subject to immigration inquiries if S.B. 1070 went into effect. As the Justice Department portrayed it, and as Judge Bolton affirmed, massive categories of legal aliens by definition do not have proof of their legal status with them. If those legal aliens are now to be queried about their immigration status following every arrest in Arizona, they will be subject to undue harassment, the federal government and the judge concluded.
Joe emails: “It would be an incredible power play by the right wing in the valley. Toras Hashem is one of the last tolerant orthodox shuls in the valley, and ner aryeh is blacker than obama’s dad. Ner aryeh would then have a true shul and lots of black hats who stayed with shaarei zedek because they have limbic brains left (unlike those who went to the beit tefilah outpost with Rabbi Edelstein), might just go to ner aryeh because shaarei zedek does crazy left wing things like pray for the leaders of the state of israel.”
Evan posts to my FB: “Jesus sort of wrote his own commentary on the Torah. Do you agree?”
Luke: “I don’t agree with anything Jesus said that was new. Anything he said that was true, was not new.”
Evan: “That’s absolutely correct. Him saying to do mitzvot in secret is nothing new. So how do you see him? I see him as the Gentile Messiah.”
Luke: “I see him as a carpenter from Nazareth. He has no religious significance to me. I figure he was a Pharisee and an Orthodox Jew and would be aghast to find out that the goyim worshiped him as g-d and founded a new religion on him.”
Evan: “It’s clear he’s not G-d. He says himself “I am going to the Father who is Greater Than I.” But Given how the world has embraced monothesim because of his actions, I see him as a Messiah to the Gentiles. As for being a Pharisee, he hated the Pharisees, so I don’t know about that. Do you mean a rebel Pharisee?”
Luke: “He was a rebel in some things. I agree with the analysis of Hyam Maccoby. I don’t know about messiah to the goyim, Judaism has no such category and neither do I. Christianity has more in common with Hellenic paganism than with Judaism.”
Evan: “I am Jewish, but I search for G-d in all religions, and hope to find him there. All I know is, when Elijah and Moshiach ben Dovid comes, we will have all the answers!”
Greg Leake emails: Hi Luke,
Oddly enough, Evan’s conjecture about Jesus as a messiah to Gentiles (you’ll excuse me if I reject the word ‘goyim’ — while I would insist that Jews have the right to define themselves, I also demand the right to define myself, and as Goyim is somewhat perjoritive, I think Gentile serves as well.) is not too far away from Protestant theology.
Quoting from A Handbook of Theological Terms by Van R. Harvey:
Protestant principle … a name for a universal principle that while embodied in the Protestant Reformation, is effective in all periods of history and is implicit in all great religions. The Protestant Principle may be negatively expressed as the protest against any absolute claim made for a finite reality, whether it be church, a book, a symbol, or a person, or an event. Positively it may be expressed as a confession that grace is not bound to any finite form, that God is the inexhaustible power and all ground of being, and that the truest faith is just one which has an element of self-negation in it because it points beyond itself to that which is really ultimate. It is the embodiment of this Protestant Principle that makes the cross the center of true Christian faith, Tillich argues, for Jesus is the Christ just because he “sacrificed himself as Jesus to himself as the Christ,” because he did not draw men to himself, but pointed men beyond himself to God.”
My view is that the idea of the messianic role as it is considered in Judaism may not apply to Jesus bin Joseph. However, I also think that this does not diminish his teaching and subsequent religion on the world stage.
You know, Fra Bede Griffiths was a very famous Benedictine monk who studied in India for 37 years. He eventually came to the conclusion that Christianity shared more with some Eastern exponents of religion than with Judaism. The reason simply being that there a tradition existed that allowed one to see important religious figures from the point of view of higher states of consciousness. And if this were in fact the case, then Jesus bin Joseph would have been one of these extraordinary figures that come along in history, whose vision and comprehension of divinity is extraordinary in a very profound way.
I am not a theologian, although I have been exposed to a dab of theology here and there, and I do not feel competitive about religions. I regard many of the world’s great religions as various ways of trying to understand, relate, and participate with the truth. And to the best of my experience, almost every world religion has something of value to add to the conversation.
Luke says: Where do you get the idea that “goyim” is pejorative? There is no basis for that. Israel is called a “goy kadosh” in the Bible, aka a holy people.
I can personally attest to the closed-mindedness among Jewish liberals. Despite having written two best-selling Jewish books and hundreds of articles on Jewish issues, and having lectured to virtually every major Jewish organization in North America for 35 years, and despite the fact that I have been an active member of a Reform synagogue for 20 years, I am almost never invited to speak at a Reform synagogue. I don’t take it personally — it isn’t personal. The Reform movement is essentially closed to politically conservative speakers even if, as in my case, they would be happy to speak only on Judaism. There is every reason to believe that far more Reform temples would invite a fervent Muslim speaker before a fervent conservative Jewish one.
Another example: Last year I was invited to be the speaker at the annual banquet of a Jewish day school in liberal Northern California. I have a 30-year record of raising funds for Jewish day schools and persuading Jewish parents to send their children to day schools. Nevertheless, the invitation was rescinded because some liberal members of the school’s board would not allow a prominent Jew who was known to be a conservative to speak — even though the entire talk would have been about supporting Jewish day schools. They actually threatened to withdraw financial support from the school unless the invitation was rescinded. Their view is that only liberals can speak at that school, just as only liberals can speak at almost any Reform synagogue. Open-minded?
Contrast this with the fact that two years ago, the Orthodox Union invited me, a non-Orthodox Jew, to address its annual West Coast convention. That would have been impressive enough. But far more impressive was the subject I was asked to speak on: “Why I am not Orthodox.”
Ally: “I know everything about shidduchim. Why would I have a list of shidduch questions? I never want to be shidduched.”
Luke: “How many Orthodox guys have you dated in the past year?”
Ally: “Zero. In my life, I’ve dated mostly Orthodox guys. I’ve dated the big names like Schottenstein and Gutnick.”
“I grew up Orthodox. The more I pulled away, the less I felt connected. The more I didn’t want a religious life… I’m a free spirit. I don’t want to be judged for it.
“I hate dating secular Jews because they don’t get me and I don’t get them. From a religious background, I’m a judgmental person… I still have religious tendencies and they don’t understand.
“Dating a non-Jew is so much easier. I have social issues because I still think like a religious Jew. I don’t get asked if I keep Shabbat. I don’t get asked about my dietary restrictions. I don’t get judged for it.”
Luke: “How many guys have you been with in your life?”
Ally: “Definitely over 40.”
“I was sexually molested as a kid… After I was half and half with religion, I was very promiscuous. Poor self-esteem. I was feeling sorry for myself and thinking that sex would make me feel better. Finally, I got help for it.
“Growing up in the religious world made it very hard for this to happen to somebody because you can’t tell anybody. Nobody would understand it. I didn’t understand it. Unfortunately, it’s happened more than once in my life. I’ve made peace with it. I don’t tell the guys I’m with how many I’ve been with.”
Ally says the longest she’s waited has been eight dates. “I’ve always liked boys…from age seven.”
“I don’t want to be a part of those [non-Orthodox] movements because it feels like a step down.”
I boast about the gift of pink hydrangeas on my desk. “It makes me look cared for.”
Ally says that dating is hard in America. “Talking about marriage when you start going out with somebody is a death sentence in America. In Israel, it’s perfectly normal. People want to get married as soon as possible.”
Luke: “What traits do the guys you fall in love with have in common?”
Ally: “They’re all emotionally unavailable.”
“I go with the flow with everything. I feel like somebody who cares about me will be OK with that.”
“The whole wonderful thing about love is that you get hurt and you feel.”
Ally says that if she had a beard, she’d ponder too. “If I didn’t know you and just met you on the street, I’d feel weird about not covering my shoulders and my knees.”
Luke: “What do you miss about Orthodox Judaism?”
Ally: “Shabbat in Israel.”
“The more I disassociated from my past life [as an Orthodox Jew], the more I desensitized.”
“I used to work in outreach. I did kiruv. If I’m talking to a Jew and he doesn’t know when I say Shabbos or emes or Torah or Tanakh or Mishnah or shomer negiah. Talking to a Jew who doesn’t know anything is very hard.”
“The goyim are more interested in Judaism than secular Jews. Secular Jews could care less about your religion.”
Luke: “Do the [goyim] read books on Judaism?”
Ally: “Not really. I can tell them everything they need to know. I’m a book.”
“I just don’t like the strictness [of Orthodox Judaism]. I don’t like that I can’t be myself. I couldn’t do triathlons because it wasn’t tznious (modest). I like boys. I like to date.”
“I want to be me. I don’t want to live by anyone else’s standards.”
“I haven’t done drugs. I’m obsessed with exercise.”
“I don’t believe in putting on tefillin. I’m a woman.”
“Every time I do something that reminds me of my past [Orthodox] life makes me crazy.”
Luke: “What’s good and bad about sleeping with more than one guy?”
Ally: “With every sexual experience, you realize what is good sex and what is bad sex.”
“The only bad part is that when you sleep with someone, it confuses you emotionally. I do find myself having emotional attachment after sex.”
Chaim Amalek emails me: “As her friend, you need to advise her that Father Time will no more be kind to her than he is to anyone. In just a few more years she will suddenly discover that most of the men her age that she imagines should be into her are instead looking for younger versions of her. In short, she needs to stop “dating” and get serious about finding a man to marry and with whom to have her Jewish children. Otherwise, she can look forward to meeting men off of Craigslist. Tell her I’ll be waiting.”
maven: i want to know, as a serial datist, does she have a list of shiduch questions?
maven: what does she think of your 4 hour sex rule? Now’s your chance to validate whether girls agree with the theory
apikoris: ask her if it’s true that when a guy says he’s been with 9 women, he’s been with 3, and when a woman says she’s been with 3, she’s actually been with 300
maven: Has she done jdate? where does an ex-religious person find dates? What religious world did she come from?
maven: where does she find the “guy a week” she describes on her blog?
maven: where did she live in Israel?
maven: why did she leave? did she go to university there?
maven: Ranaana? Did she hang with the australians and south africans?
maven: how would she compare the dating life here vs ranaana or jerusalem
TheShiksaMenace: Jews do to much dating and not enough mating.
TheShiksaMenace: the secular, that is
TheShiksaMenace: date date date….dates are for eating, not socializing.
TheShiksaMenace: Are you two going to get to know each other better after this?
TheShiksaMenace: Is this a bais yakov girl? I’ve heard of them
TheShiksaMenace: Now translate, please
TheShiksaMenace: Luke, this is a good look for you.
TheShiksaMenace: Impressive
TheShiksaMenace: What happens if one trips and accidentally has beah with a needah?
TheShiksaMenace: Vas schreibt der Gemarra?
apikoris: ask her why Jewish chicks worship African Americans and want to have sex with Black men
TheShiksaMenace: Racist.
TheShiksaMenace: Why do so many Jewish men end up with Asian chicks (shiksa menace v.2)
TheShiksaMenace: Do you want to be with an Irish Catholic firemen, or would you rather be with a Jewish accountant?
TheShiksaMenace: Asian Chicks are NOT submissive
TheShiksaMenace: This woman craves Aryan men
TheShiksaMenace: How often do yo go to the mikvah?
TheShiksaMenace: Arm wrassle her
TheShiksaMenace: Show us more muscles
TheShiksaMenace: Terrific
TheShiksaMenace: feeble Jewess, you are no match for an aryan man like Luke!
apikoris: this s**t should be rated R
TheShiksaMenace: Do em
YourMoralLeader: she’s great
TheShiksaMenace: put luke in a thigh lock
YourMoralLeader: ok
TheShiksaMenace: LETS SEE THIS
User TheShiksaMenace changed their name to ChaimAmalek.
ChaimAmalek: Luke, you should drill her on torah before the night is out
ChaimAmalek: You are the shiznet
ChaimAmalek: he has a spare lulav
ChaimAmalek: and an esrog
ChaimAmalek: Show us your abs
apikoris: what sports does she excel at ?
ChaimAmalek: I like this chick’s genes
ChaimAmalek: Are you ovulating?
apikoris: this should be on LukeFord.com, not .net
ChaimAmalek: There need to be more Jewesses like you
ChaimAmalek: But don’t make the mistake of dating forever.
ChaimAmalek: It ends.
ChaimAmalek: Find a man and settle down.
ChaimAmalek: Luke, would you daven with her?
ChaimAmalek: If she works with special needs kids, then she can deal with you Luke
ChaimAmalek: I like this chick.
apikoris: did she say she’s from Maryland?
ChaimAmalek: Ask her if she believes in shabbos mitzvot
ChaimAmalek: See that? She made physical contact with you!
ChaimAmalek: Ally, show us your leg muscles
apikoris: bad sex is terrible. it leads to bad kissing
ChaimAmalek: Bad sex can lead to mixed dancing
ChaimAmalek: Luke, she is an athlete.
ChaimAmalek: How many men has she kissed?
ChaimAmalek: A woman can be too experienced, you know.
apikoris: how many men has she arm wrestled with?
ChaimAmalek: Men usually don’t want to marry women who are easy lays.
ChaimAmalek: Luke is seeing a therapist!
ChaimAmalek: Lots of them.
User apikoris changed their name to HasTherapist.
ChaimAmalek: Does blogging count as a physical activity?
ChaimAmalek: Luke is a very strong blogger
HasTherapist: do you arm wrestle on the first date?
ChaimAmalek: This is better than a visit from EMMA
ChaimAmalek: Nothing like a visit from a fertile woman to cheer things up
ChaimAmalek: Social theorists say one needs no more than nine – twelve potential mates to pick one we would be happy with
ChaimAmalek: This nice woman may be making hte mistake of over-dating.
ChaimAmalek: She needs to find Mr. Good Enough and settle down with him to make strong swimmer babies.
ChaimAmalek: 37!!!!!!!!!
ChaimAmalek: Huge mistake
ChaimAmalek: Persian Jews/yay or nay?
ChaimAmalek: Crap Luke, that’s a green light
guest5: she’s giving you all the signs!
guest5: ouch
ChaimAmalek: Luke has the Jewish cred, AND goyishe genes. Best of both worlds!
ChaimAmalek: She wants your genes
ChaimAmalek: How did you two meet?
HasTherapist: what does she think of Chabad?
ChaimAmalek: Luke, why haven’t you ever mentioned this gem to me?
ChaimAmalek: Ally, how do you feel about 350 pound men?
ChaimAmalek: Turetsky?
ChaimAmalek: Isn’t that the name of a prominent litvish rabbi?
ChaimAmalek: I would like to see a Google map of all her exes.
ChaimAmalek: I wonder if there is an app for that.
ChaimAmalek: What does pork taste like?
ChaimAmalek: How strong are your legs?
ChaimAmalek: Luke, why haven’t you mentioned her before?
ChaimAmalek: What has been holding you back?
ChaimAmalek: How tall is she?
ChaimAmalek: Do you believe in the Oral Law?
ChaimAmalek: Why hasn’t anyone made a good shidduck for her?
ChaimAmalek: I want to see her arm wrestle that Levinas woman
ChaimAmalek: Monica Osbourne
ChaimAmalek: Show us your muscular legs
HELLO: chaim, this is not that type of room
HELLO: oh oh
HasTherapist: whoa
ChaimAmalek: Terrific
HELLO: im a woman!!!!!! dont wanna see her legs lol
ChaimAmalek: works for me!
ChaimAmalek: Ask her if she is familiar with the work of Sharon Stone
HELLO: who the heck is, allyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
ChaimAmalek: this woman
ChaimAmalek: I think
HELLO: what woman
ChaimAmalek: that one
HasTherapist: where did she grow up?
HELLO: the woman talking
ChaimAmalek: Cross your legs
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