Comments at Steve Sailer:
* War of the Sexes is essentially a war between Jewish men and Jewish women but fought on the battleground of the goy body.
No bunch of men have done more to ‘objectify’ the female body in the modern world than Jews have. Sure, ancient Greeks were into nude statues and Renaissance painters were nude-ists too, but they presented nudity in artful and beautiful manner(though not always).
But modern Jewish men have often presented the female body in porny ways. I recall Suzanne Somers married some Jewish guy in the 70s.
The Jewish guy, Alan Hamel, was interviewed by Barbara Walters in the 70s, and when asked why he married Somers, he said something like “I wondered what she would look like naked.” This was the feminist 70s so, even as a kid, I was shocked that some guy would speak so frankly. But frank he was indeed. I mean no one would marry Somers for her brains, right? But I recall Walters’ disapproving demeanor. It was truly a Portnoyic or Portnographic moment. A Jewish guy married some ‘shikse’ because he was slobbering about thinking about her BODY, not her brains.
And of course, Marilyn Monroe was the ultimate ‘white meat’. (Ron Rosenbaum should write a piece on that.) Though she tried to educate herself and read books, the only thing that interested Jewish men about her was her tits and ass.
It’s all there in PORTNOY’S COMPLAINT. It’s not about Jewish men interested in white women’s brains, hearts, or souls. It’s about pretty face, breasts, ass, and pooter. And Jews were heavily involved in porn in Europe and especially in America. And porn was certainly mostly about using white women as OBJECTS of sexual lust.
So, if any bunch of men did most to objectify the female body, it was Jews. And it was especially the WHITE female body. Conservatives were opposed to porn, and even most white liberals were uneasy with that stuff as wasps were of puritanical background and Catholics were sexually uneasy about such stuff.
But in images and words, Jewish men were pioneers of openly dealing with male lust issues. And lust was about the body, not about the brains.
Hollywood had many glamorous stars. But in the old days, censorship dampened and restrained open sexuality. But with the end of censorship in the late 60s and early 70s, the female body could be fully ‘objectified’ and ‘commoditized’ as sexual playthings. And Jewish men were at the forefront of this. Even blaxploitation movies that promoted interracism were mostly made by Jewish men.
Though it was about lust, some Jewish porn-meisters sought intellectual justification by invoking Freud. So, it was healthy and natural for men to openly lust after female bodies and confess their ‘boing’-ish desires. Russ Meyers!
Since Jewish women had big noses and were overly brainy, Jewish men were Portnoic in their lust for white shikse, especially the blondes. It’s like the guy in HEARTBREAK KID has no interest in Cybil Sheperd’s brains. It’s all her about sex appeal. And Peter Bogdanovich was nuts about Cybil Sheperd, divorced his first wife, and married her. Later he went after Dorothy Stratton, another blonde hottie tottie(who ended up badly, killed by jealous hubby; idiot thought he could ride her sex appeal to fame, not realizing that her fame would serve as a wedge between her and him; why would a woman hang with a loser when winner-men are after her?)
In terms of racial dynamics, white Jewish men preferred to ‘objectify’ the white female, but when it came to blacks they preferred to ‘objectify’ the black male. Black women could sing, and they had fit bodies, but their faces looked too funky-wunky. So, black women weren’t really objects of sexual desire. In contrast, black men were winning in sports, the most prominent domain of male competition in the American mythology. Since promoting black male as the New Tough Man had a wussifying effect on white males, Jewish men did so, albeit with some trepidation(as, like Donald Sterling, Jewish men were also intimidated by blacks.) On the one hand, Jewish men enjoyed watching white guys get beaten and pushed aside by black males. They enjoyed the spectacle of white women going off with black men and making white guys feel like a bunch of losers. As Jews remembered how they’d been ‘dissed’ by snobby Wasps and big strong ‘polacks’(who stole lunch money), they got their racial-sexual vengeance through blacks. Especially because blacks worked for Jews in sports and media, Jews could even see blacks as their sexual-cultural agents. (Though white gentile hostility toward Jews has been greatly exaggerated, Jewish sensitivity is understandable since negative experiences or perceptions are more long-lasting and impacting than positive or mundane experiences. If a Jew has experiences with a 100 wasps, and if 98 treat him nice or normally while 2 really put him down, his experiences with the 2 will have a more powerfully long-lasting effect than his experience with the 98. It’s like most movie audience could be quiet and well-behaved and only a handful could be rowdy and disruptive, but you’re more likely to remember the rowdy ones than the fact that most audience members were quiet and normal. Jewish sensitivity is also paranoid to some extent. Oftentimes, it wasn’t a matter of how wasps really treated Jews but how Jews suspected wasps were feeling about Jews. It’s like the scene in CARRIE where Carrie thinks everyone is laughing at her at the prom when most of them were not.)
And yet, the Jewish male all-out-objectification of the female coincided with the rise of feminism that was dominated by Jewish women. So, Jewish men were going out of their way to promote the image of the women as a big-tits-ass-pooter, and Jewish women were bitching about how the woman was being ‘objectified’ than admired for her brains and heart. But what Jewish women left out of their criticism was that Jewish men were the main players in the ‘objectification’ of women. They also failed to mention that Jewish men ‘objectified’ white women as objects of lust than any other women. (On the one hand, brainy Jewish women were insulted that women were being seen primarily as sexual trophies than as intellectual/creative equals of men. On the other hand, they were envious of the fact that blonde shikses with pretty looks were idolized by Jewish men. To brainy and big-nosed Jewish women, Jewish male fixation on the ‘shikse’ was like worship of false idols. Instead of respecting Jewish female intellectual ‘spirit’, Jewish men were drooling over tits and ass of white women.)
Jewish men and Jewish women were battling one another, but the Jewish aspect of this was hidden, and the debate was turned into an abstract one of ‘patriarchy’ vs ‘women’s liberation’. But if anything, traditional patriarchy had disapproved of the sexual objectification of women and denounced Jewish role in vice industries.
So often, the core battle is really among Jews, but it’s goyim who are used as battleground and it’s goyim who are recruited as cannon fodder(and who ultimately get the blame).
We see this with Liberal Zionist vs Neocons too. Both sides are Jewish and have common interests, but they differ on strategy and tactics. But instead of just arguing Jew-vs-Jew, they use goy fronts and buffers so that the argument seems to be between ‘Democrats’ and ‘Republicans’, even though most gentiles, if left to their own devices, wouldn’t give a crap about stuff that Jews care about so much. If not for Jewish media domination, most Americans wouldn’t care about middle east problems or Ukraine.
Since Jews want us to do their bidding, the Jewish family feud becomes our feud, and because we gentiles end up fighting one another, paradoxically the Jewish antagonists draw closer.
Imagine a Jewish man and Jewish woman bickering with one another and boiling with anger. But instead of keeping it to themselves, the Jewish man persuades a whole bunch of gentile men to argue on his behalf, and the Jewish woman does the same with a whole bunch of gentile women to do likewise on her behalf. In time, idiot gentile men and idiot gentile women are at each other’s throats, and the Jewish man and Jewish woman look upon the big fight with amusement and laugh together.
We might as well be living in cartoon world.
* The supposed predation of the white male gaze on black females is technically non-existent within U.S. American borders. In other words, it’s really fictional. Like, actually doesn’t happen often. It’s a myth, created inside the minds of delusional, desperate women who want to support matriarchal grass huts and feminist power.
Indeed, a journalist like Sally Kohn doesn’t like real places where dark brown skinned women have truly suffered prostitution and sexual predation after conquest, such as Ethiopia (e.g. Arab men), India (e.g. other Asian men), Brazil (e.g. Portuguese men), Dominican Republic (e.g. Spanish men), Puerto Rico (e.g. Spanish men), Cape Verde (e.g. Portuguese men) and whatnot.
Instead they focus on places like U.S.A., Britain, Ireland, Germany, Greece, Italy, Ukraine, Russia and other unlikely places. I think they turn a blind towards the results of actual predation on dark brown skinned, because the results aren’t pretty, it isn’t glamorous and it’s not the paradise of high-status Beyoncé lifestyle. Their descendants often experience a life of chaos and poverty under an unofficial caste-status system. Just ask the Indians.
* On another note, Kim Kardashian’s famous ass – which has become the icon of the age, what that tells us about the current zeitgeist, I do not know – must be regarded as exceptional and egregious amongst caucasian women of ‘normal’ dimensions. It must be an ‘ethnic’ characteristic, and not originating from Kim’s western European ancestry. Therefore, it must be a peculiar Armenian trait.
Apart from Kim, not many Armenians, a rather closed and endogamous mountain community, have put up the nude posteriors for public display, so there’s van unknown there, but as I recall pioneering LA porn starlet, Christy Canyon, was of Armenian descent.
One wonders, whether this is an ancient sex-linked character as in the Hottentots, which I doubt, or a generalized unisex Armenian character. As another side, ever since western governments have imported millions upon millions of Somalis into the west, I’ve noticed that Somali women are generally prominent posteriorly whilst their menfolk definitely are not. This very much seems a sex linked character. Alas, the chances of Somali women posing nude is close to zero.
* A few years ago I caught part of a biopic on the Kardashian family. Apparently Robert Kardashian was cuckolded by Kris… cuckolded in the evolutionary biology meaning of the term, i.e. the Real McCoy. Third daughter isn’t his. It’s particularly evident in pre-plastic surgery family photos.
* Christy Canyon is half-Armenian and half-Italian. I assume, for obvious reasons, that her best feature(s?) came from her Italian-American mother, rather than from her Armenian-American father. I assume that she was raised Catholic, as she was reportedly expelled from a Catholic high school (prior to her porn career). It did not take very well, regardless; along with her hall-of-fame career as a porn actress, as well as an exotic dancer, she has been married and divorced three times, to date (at age 48). By a coincidence, the aforementioned Bronco chase took place on Christy’s 28th birthday: June 17, 1994.
* There are numerous podcast interviews of former female porn performers who have admitted to have been undiagnosed clinical bipolar cases. With proper diagnoses and treatment they have been able go on and lead relatively normal lives.
When I was in college and dorm residence assistant, there were several coeds who compulsively seemed to be driven to sleep with every male in the unit. They were both getting themselves into real bad situations that required intervention by campus authorities. Sure enough they were diagnosed with serious mental health issues that fortunately were treatable with medication.
Likewise, I am convinced that angry lesbians like Sally and Rachel with clearly masculinized phenotypes are the product of some form of medical condition from the mild to clinical.
I would not take a “porn star” opinions on sexual matters seriously. Can’t see why I should have take anything seriously coming from “That’s a man baby” angry lesbians.
* The KKK chicks were always 5′s or less in life, as one can see when you view the younger ones, who have not had plastic surgery to fix their ugliness; the term “bat faced” comes to mind.
Furthermore, they have always been chunkier. Like many fat girls, they try to claim their “fat” is just curviness, but it’s not fooling anyone but low-IQ women.
So they’ve done what many fat, low-beauty chicks from broken homes (and their home is clearly broken, even if rich) do nowadays: go directly to the bruthas, who will sleep with anything, and regard any white woman, even fat and ugly, as gold. They would rather be treated as low-class princesses than the cast offs of non-whites.
The emphasis on Kim’s ass—a hilariously ugly monstrosity—is part of both halves of this: to claim that fat is “curviness” and to issue a calling card to bruthas. White men prefer legs to butts, as the Rockettes and hundreds of movies have proven.
The KKK’s main draw on their show has long been their sleeping with darkies. Take away that and their show would not be a hit. The show is both for people who like rich-but-low-class-train-wrecks and for trash who like darkies. Their mother (and Ryan Seacrest, who produces) has basically sold their fat asses with shock value.
The KKK’s remind me of that scene in Godfather II where Michael and Freddo are in Cuba and they watch the live show of a darky with an implied large penis having sex with a tied up woman by force, to the delight of the crowd. Very quickly after, the decadence of Cuba collapses.
* Steve, if the answer to every question is “the Jews” then you believe in magic and superstition, not science and logic. And the world is filled with devils where 2 + 2 equals four sometimes, and seven others.
Obsessing over the female form has been around since the Greeks, and Pompeii is filled with various bawdy mosaics. One of the first uses of the printing press was, after the Bible, yes pornography.
Lesbians are gonna be man-hating, no surprise there. And there have always been White women with Jungle Fever, see the Melungeons, descendants of White women and Black men mating in the late 1600s according to DNA analysis.
So why the pulpit to angry Lesbians denouncing White guys? And why the worship of trashy White women emulating the Melungeon ancestors?
I’d submit logic and reason suggest that this is a structural change; that rather than “the Jews” you have: A. radically delayed marriage among men and women. B. Radically reduced rates of marriage overall among men and women. C. Independent female earnings. D. Vastly increased female status. E. the steroidal effect of female-oriented mass consumer advertising.
White urban single women have a lot of beefs with their male peers, mostly to do with their peers not being sexy enough (this means not enough status differential, not enough high status men) and this feeds through everything. Rather than “the Jews” and a world of dark magic, the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, and mass consumer advertising seem to blame.
Its worse because America’s traditions and cultures are so varied among Whites; and the unified American culture blending the Deep South, Altantic South/Tidewater, New England, Far West, and Midlands culture is really only Post-War prosperity. Its not like Japan with 600 year old cooking schools or Switzerland where they’ve had night watchmen on cathedrals calling out every hour since the 1500′s.
Angry man-hating Lesbians get column space because their beefs with White men resonate deeply with most White single urban straight women disappointed at the scarcity of high status guys and the plentitude of Dilbert and Wally. Jungle fever female celebs are worshiped because they present an alternative to the Dilberts and Wallys. At least in fantasy.
Most of the celebs that crop up in the gossip mags and TV shows form a fantasy aristocracy for female consumers, with various morality lessons: “good girl” Jennifer Aniston “had her man stolen” by that “evil, man-stealing” Angelina Jolie, etc. and is looking for a baby and husband (despite no evidence of desire for either in real life); the Kardashians are just trashy semi-aristocrats of the new model that women can fantasize about; a Kardashian on the cover of a magazine tends to out-sell non-Kardashians, and Kim the big butt one seems to sell the most.
What’s wrong with the West is not “the Jews” and some idiot conspiracy spanning generations like an episode of “Grimm” on NBC, but the disconnect between White men and women caused by reproductive technology and post-industrial office job society. And there is no ghost dance, no exorcism, no magical quick fix for any of that. [I’ll note that female readers can’t get enough of a Dan Brown type magical centuries old conspiracy, because it feeds emotions not thought.]
We live in a cartoon world because its one catering to female consumers, who are mostly not married and look forward to at best, single motherhood if that.
* Sontag was a strange case. In some ways, she saw herself as a feminist pioneer, but she didn’t want to be part of the movement. Also, she was crazy about her image as she has striking features. She loved photography and was fascinated with pornography. She liked to be objectified as a beautiful intellectual.
* Jews like Anthony Weiner act like total sex lunatics but also moralize and pontificate like they’re out of the Torah.
* Jewish female envy of ‘shiksappeal’ sounds reasonable. Successful Jewish men being attracted by the looks of pretty gentile white women: that sounds reasonable too, though they’re certainly not alone in that. But Jewish men using black men as a cudgel against white men? That sounds like fantasy.
Going back to the early 20th Century, Jews founded the NAACP for the same reason gentile abolitionists opposed slavery in the previous century: because they thought the treatment of blacks was wrong. But, for the most part, there wasn’t reciprocation by black Americans (see, for example, Norman Podhoretz on growing up with black neighbors in the 1930s – http://www.lukeford.net/Images/photos/out.pdf ).
Among elite blacks, such as MLK, relations with Jews were warmer up until the mid-1960s. But blacks grew to resent Jewish assistance in civil rights and their identification with the global left, combined with the global left’s rejection of Israel after the Six-Day War, expanded the rift between black and Jewish communities in the US. Since then, there hasn’t been much love lost between them.
* The Jew versus Jew struggle goes farther back and is simmering all the time. The Haskala is a 300 year old civil war between Orthodox Jews (OJ) and assimilationist Jews (AJ). The OJs are ruled by rabbis who enforce extreme segregation between men and women. Women are temptresses and their sexuality must be tightly controlled. Hence OJ women ride at the back of the bus in OJ areas of Brooklyn, New Jersey, New York, and Israel where men cannot see them and be tempted away from prayer and worship. Even their naked forearms drive these men crazy, as this sign shows. Internet access, TV and radio are routinely blocked. Women get no American education beyond a second or third grade level. Certainly no English language learning, children’s books or anything similar. Yiddish is spoken (after 100 years in America) but little English.
The OJ Jewish patriarchy is both frightened and enraged at women who step outside these limits, and will excise these women (and their families) from the community.
But there is guilt, too. AJs know on a subliminal level that extreme oppression of OJ women is a major reason that Jews still exist after 2000 years of mixing with the goyim in Exile. If it were it not for the ignorance, lack of opportunity and hyper-fecundity of OJ women, there would be no pool of Jews from which OJ women could defect and become AJ women. Therefore AJ women pull back from attacking OJ men directly, and displace their inner anger at the OJ patriarchy upon ALL men.
Think of it this way. Imagine your typical liberal Episcopalians (EPs) did not accept Christian converts. Imagine America was 95% Muslim and Hindu. Imagine that 2% of EPs were marrying Muslims and/or converting to Islam every year.
The ONLY way EPs could increase their shrinking numbers is by encouraging fallen-away fundamentalist Christians to start going to Episcopal churches. How eager do you think Episcopalians would be to beat on fundie Christians as fundie Christians for brainwashing fundie women to stay dumb, make tons of babies and be housewives? Not very. As an EP church you NEED some of those fundie Christians (the one who have fallen away) to keep your church from evaporating.
Jews inhabit a very odd psychic space, rife with projection and displacement. Of course they could all make aliyah and their problems would be instantly solved, but who wants to give up all the cash and comfort they now have in Exile?
* You have described the life of the ultra-Orthodox Jews (haredim and hasidim), not all Orthodox Jews. Modern Orthodox Jews get more secular education and often follow secular careers. They are not as fecund as the ultra-Orthodox but are moreso than secular, Reform or Conservative Jews. Aliyah wouldn’t solve all Jews’ problems because Israel has always faced and will always face existential threats to its existence as long as it survives. No one can be sure that Israel will last another 100 years. There are also a small number of ultra-Orthodox Jews (neturei karta) who do not accept Israel as a legitimate state because it was not founded as a religious state in the messianic age.
* Another example of the lack of interest white men have traditionally had in “black women and their bodies” is the fact that National Geographic used to show topless pictures of African women for decades in a time when pictures of topless white, Middle Eastern or Asian women would have had white teenagers “retiring to their bunks”. Naked African women were curiosities, like whale penises or dogs humping in the road, but it never crossed our minds to be sexually interested in them.
* Jews go from zero to hysterical when confronted with any hint of whites contemplating for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel and the diaspora because on some level (it varies) they know they’re in a culture war and they know their power is based entirely on heathen (“gentile”) consent. It wouldn’t take much to break the back of that power.
* Please consider that the lack of tribalism for the whites is a problem for which a solution does not seem to be at hand. One can’t really put a white tribe together, except maybe in a South African type situation. We (whites) are repelled by the idea of thinking in tribal terms. It is backward; primitive. However, the future of the US is going to be multi-racial and multi-cultural and we(whites) are going to be tossed here and there as individuals.
