REPORT: Asked what safety concerns kept them from visiting the metro’s regional parks, focus groups of African-Americans spoke worriedly about violent crime and accidents.
This could happen
Asians tended to bring up snakes, bees, hunters and water viruses.
African immigrants feared rape, killings, stabbings and drownings.
Latinos brought up darkness, crime and animals.
A combined focus group talked of fears of kidnappings and getting lost in the wilderness.
* Blacks in the Army were petrified of the woods. A little ten inch green snake would get them screaming with fear. Best of all was when two of them threw rocks at a skunk to drive it off, and got sprayed good for it.
Aren’t State and National parks where we go to get away from the Diversity we’re forced to endure at home?
* Blacks and Mexicans are afraid of crime in the parks. I guess they are afraid that they’ll run into their own neighbors.
* There’s an old internet joke that African Americans are scared of three things.
Ghosts.
Dogs.
Registered mail.
* Let’s face it, beyond the park parking lot there is nothing to steal, its quiet, save for birds chirping and you can’t ‘swagger’ in the forest.
* Anglo visitors feared summonses, audits, and crazy ex-boyfriends.
* Sounds to me as if the Met Council should just let people do what they want to do, and if that includes not wanting to visit a park, fine. There is too much effort placed nowadays on trying to make everyone the same – which is exactly the opposite of the “diversity” that they are so urgently encouraging.
* My sense is that Minneapolis/Saint Paul is more earnest about the Diversity and Inclusion stuff than almost any other city.
For example, most cities try to have “commitment to racial equity” as a slogan on different school initiatives, but they don’t create a whole separate Department within their school system for it:
http://www.spps.org/equity
* With blacks and Hispanics, it may be a symptom of coming from low-trust communities. At home, or even in a motel, you’ve got a locked door between you and the people around you. Camping, you’ve only got a thin sheet of canvas (or synthetic substitute). Being a non-trusting person, I find this bothersome too. I like defense in depth.
BTW, after reading Bill Bryson’s A Walk in the Woods, I lost any interest in ever hiking the Appalachian Trail. He provides detailed descriptions of every risk, from crazed backwoods murderers to deadly spores emitted by decaying mouse feces.
* In modern America, this is called having a “conversation” about race. WE ask the questions, YOU provide the answers and you better answer right honky or you is in big trouble.
This sounds like revenge for school, where blacks are constantly being asked to answer questions and get the answers wrong. Cops are also always questioning blacks and Hispanics. Now the tables is turned!
In the less white America that people are “optimistically” looking forward to, this will happen more and more. YT has been in charge for 300 years, now WE is in charge and get to ask YOU the questions.
* The prevalence of camp movies in America (not the “gay camp”, but literally kids going off to camp in the woods for the summer) would make you think every American kid did it.
However, it’s really a Jewish and WASP thing. Middle class and blue collar kids don’t have the experience of going off to camp for the summer because it’s too darn expensive. So most of the Kids got to Camp films are really Hollywood Jews reminiscing about being sent off by rich parents for the summer. I’m pretty surprised the genre has stayed around so long.
For the record, I would have loved to have gone off to a camp for a summer, just for the experience, which seemed fun from the many movies made from it.
* A very common trope in horror movies is “city slickers trapped in rural area.” Apparently, rural America is infested with psychotic inbreds and violent ghosts and mutated animals that love murdering teenagers.
There’s this idea of the city representing civilization and rural being the dangerous wild, even today. Or the idea that city slickers have lost necessary survival skills, making them easy prey.
Or it’s merely reversing the Western movie tropes. In the Western, open nature is something where good men go to live happily, carving out homes and villages out of nature. The big city in the Western is dirty, overcrowded, and violent. Men leave the cities to keep their families wholesome and to worship God and bring civilization. Think John Ford/Henry Fonda films.
And those Western heroes are always white men, because whites alone tamed the West.
The Horror genre, however, spits on all that, and makes small town/rural America a heck-hole of evil. Those white backwoods men are now inbred violent nutjobs.
Blacks and Latinos, incidentally, love horror movies.
* The reason for this is Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome.
The actual, real-life, no-kidding medical condition that makes trees scary.
http://joydegruy.com/resources-2/post-traumatic-slave-syndrome/
* Three possible answers:
Blacks/Latinos are very poor and very urban. Does participation reach parity when one compares them to similarly poor, urban whites? I’d say a two parent home is more likely to go on such a trip to begin with anyway. Is there a disparity in the geographic locations of parks and the main population centres of Blacks/Latinos?
Blacks/Latinos are just ignorant louts and unappreciative of nature. You can hint at it passively because it makes middle-class and up whites feel good about themselves without having to actively admit it.
Blacks/Latinos are scared of being around non-blacks/Latinos, ie are scared of large numbers of white people.
Oddly enough the third one is what they are going with despite it being both irrational and making them look profoundly stupid and prejudiced as it implies they have to fear the readers of the piece.
When whites are implied to not enjoy something or some place due to it’s ‘vibrancy’ it’s cause to sneer, (My favourite was a commentary on white flight in London being good, since it filtered out those who couldn’t deal with a ‘chaning London’) when non-whites act this way it’s white people’s fault for existing.
The way they use the word ‘homogeneous’ as a slur, as if a normal functioning human community is an abomination reveals this ideology for what it is, anti-whiteness.
Though props to them always assuming black guides will help, as if the vast majority of blacks, who have never been to a national park, would ever be aware of how many black rangers there are or would think to look it up. Who would?!
* It’s white violence that blacks particularly fear about rural places. At least in NYC, blacks believe that just up I-87 are pickup trucks full of honkeys waiting to lynch an interloper. If you see blacks traveling north of the Sloatsburg service area, they won’t be in ones or twos, but in defensible numbers.
I heard on the radio a week or two ago that New Hampshire schools have set up obstacle courses to be crawled through in the dark by students while audio of dogs barking drives home the impressing of being a runaway slave on the freedom trail. No wonder they’re afraid of us.
* Real suggestion, if you are worried that POC are not getting enough exposure to the outdoors and parks, then ask a family to JOIN YOU when you visit a park. There, solved that at not cost to the rest of us who DGAS.
* Oh, yeah, if you want more Asians to go to parks you need to put up and advertise some statues etc that they can photograph themselves in front of. The pristine wilderness is not very interesting to them.
* The radio commercial played incessantly is from Discovertheforest.org. It features a black kid telling a white kid about the pleasures of seeing real frogs and nature when his parents took him to the forest (unlike the white kid who could only experience it online). Earlier radio ads also feature blacks enjoying the forest/outdoors (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7se_53FFNwM). Even the television spots feature a black family visiting parks and nature.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YBHzDyyVqIs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=att338zi4xw
Here’s a Discovertheforest.org ad featuring a Hispanic family visiting nature:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x0W6uzCJ5eQ
Here’s a Discovertheforest.org ad featuring blacks, Hispanics, and Asian kids:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U1-T17DcCyI
* Yeah, Scandinavians (especially Swedes) take whatever is the dominant ideology handed down from above and take it more seriously than anyone else. Far different from,say, the Italians or Irish. But I still can’t figure out how the hell Minneapolis became “the capital of anti-Semitism in the United States” for the first half of the 20th Century and slightly beyond.
* Not true, at least for Hispanics, I’ve read numerous times that Latinos often use national parks in the southwest for grow ups, tagging and disposing vast amounts of trash.
* The SJW element of this is trying to force different genetics to be equal and as that’s impossible it can only end if the offending genetics are removed and everyone left is made to be the same.
The banking mafia element want 85 IQ slave-cattle.
On the surface at least the agendas mesh.
The SJW element might be persuaded eventually that genetic uplift is better than dragdown.
* One thing missing from this story though is how many of these parks in the twin cities are surrounding lakes and pools.
In the twin cities, you are not allowed to say out loud that blacks can’t swim. But that’s a major reason blacks don’t “use” the parks. Drowning happens in the twin cities to kids of all colors, but moreso we hear blacks and Somali immigrants drowning when with friends or at school pools.
Swimming lessons are extremely expensive in the twin cities.
This is a case where actual actions taken could be taken to change the numbers and enjoyment of city resources, but doing so would admit hbd. Can’t have that.
* The just completed season of Alone featured a black ex-military contestant. The basic premise of the show is that 10 people are dropped off in separate locations (in this case, on the coast of Vancouver Island) with some minimal, legitimate tools and left to fend for themselves, alone, in the wilderness. Homeboy literally lasted two hours. He started walking around a bit, saw some bear scat, said something like “this shit’s getting’ real”, freaked out, and called in the rescue squad.
It was doubly hilarious because in the lede up each contestant was interviewed at home with their friends and family and he was specifically joking about how, if he saw a bear, the bear was going to need to call in reinforcements.
Youtube video here. Video clip starts with my man, but I’m not sure if it’s clear how quickly he “tapped out”. The winner lasted something like 65 days.
* As a person who spends a fair amount of time outdoors, I must say that the fields, forests, lakes, rivers and oceans are full of danger; immediate, lethal, and otherwise. No wonder the white population seems to be declining.
Besides, it’s complete anarchy out there. Animals breeding out of wedlock, defending their territories, no religion or politicians and such, why, it’s chaos, I tell ya! Almost no gubbermint to protect ya…
I recommend that everyone head for shelter at once, and please stay there. That goes double for ATV enthusiasts. What are televisions for, anyway?!?
* Going to parks has always had a higher-class connotation to it. In the US, people who are middle-class and above do it. This is partially because the traditional white Anglo-Saxon working class in America used to farm in rural areas, and farmers had all the exposure to nature they wanted and then some. For the lower class, it was the city that was exotic and exciting, and it was where you went when you had a vacation. This explains blacks to some extent. Blacks worked the land first as slaves and later as sharecroppers, and they don’t like nature that much. Rural land in the south, the traditional place for black labor, is a place of godawful heat and chiggers. The northern woods are much nicer, but blacks don’t go there enough to find out.
But there’s another factor. Rural areas in America tend to be Republican and not so generous with welfare, and social services are far away. Plonk a black down in a rural area, and there’s no bus or subway. You must have a car in good working order. Stores are many miles off. In winter, travel is problematic because of deep snowfalls, and you have to plan ahead. You have to make sure you don’t run out of food or gas, because the nearest gas station or grocery store could be an hour away. Thinking ahead is not blacks’ strong suit, and they don’t thrive in a place where it’s necessary.
There are also other factors. There’s no one around to pay attention to you other than your own family. If blacks want to be able to pass on their genes, they need a pool of other black families to choose from. They need a crowd to show off to, to strut in front of, to parade their fancy new car for, etc.
But the most important factor is that the black economy is based on a parasitic triad: Welfare, robbery, and drug sales. If you don’t have people nearby to rob or sell drugs to, and getting welfare is difficult, then the poor blacks’ way of life isn’t possible. In rural areas, whites are armed with shotguns and the customer base for drugs may be so small and spread out that it’s not economically viable.
* There’s irony (or is it ignorance) in these explorations of difference, e.g. race/ethnic/gender/orientation/identity. It’s as if the study and categorization of difference should result in no observed difference in personal preferences among activities, avocation, interests, hobbies, recreation, habits, lifestyle, etc., which are indicators of the much heralded human diversity under discussion. Having discovered diversity, TPTB would prefer that there are no differences. A child-like ignorance and immaturity in the face of reality.
* Growing up in England in the 1950s my companions and I spent a lot of time playing or camping in woods and open countryside, however I do think that the woods in England are much friendlier and safer, having few dangerous animals larger than a fox or badger, very few poisonous snakes (only adders which hardly ever kill people, though they can be deadly for dogs), and wasps and bees that can give you a nasty sting. There are stinging nettles, which are easy to avoid, but no poison ivy, which is much worse and harder to avoid. Also there tends to be little undergrowth between the trees and less thorns, though blackberries grow wild in all parts of the country.
Woods and forests here in Florida are much more dangerous, having 4 species of poisonous snakes, a range of stinging insects, and deer hunters who will shoot at anything that moves. There are a lot of nasty plants that can scratch you, and for much of the year it is beastly hot.
* Being honest, I have kids, so am very particular about parks. I would absolutely never go to a park with any number of blacks. Not worth the risk. Avoid, avoid, avoid them at all costs (obviously if there is one black doctor’s son, it’s different). But if I see ghetto blacks, we would leave immediately, no questions asked. If I see Muslims, I just get furious and start wondering what they’re doing in our country. I cuss George Bush for not adopting Trump’s policies and I give them dirty looks before leaving. I won’t let my young kids around Islam at all until I introduce it to them that it’s evil. I wouldn’t be thrilled if there were Hispanic kids speaking Spanish – but it’s not a total deal breaker. It depends on the situation and how many. I would prefer my kids play with Americans who speak English. White and Asian kids are fine. No trouble. Anyone who tells you differently is lying…
* Translation: Blacks and Hispanics dont have enough money to enjoy the parks. Asians and Hispanics dont have the time. Only Whites, and increasingly Whites with government employement, have the time and money to drive a hour and spend the day in a pond. The safety explanations are just BS.
* Hispanics do avail themselves of national park facilities, but they’re understandably reluctant to discuss it.
* This is why I haven’t visited a park in years. It’s understood that they are Hispanic “spaces,” and unless you go in the freezing cold you’re going be near large Hispanic families, loud music, shouting, and litter. Lots and lots of litter that looks from a distance like snow covering the ground.
* This brings back memories. During college in the 70′s, I worked at a summer camp for disadvantaged children, mostly blacks and Hispanics. These kids were terrified of the woods during the day. At night, they would not leave the cabin. Fear not. Yours truly would calm them down by going out to ward off all the evils lurking in the woods. Actually the white boys and girl counselors would meet for a few ours of fun. The minority staff was never there. They were afraid of the woods also. Such great fun.
* There are racial differences in things like bone and muscle density which tend to make young black men (especially) not buoyant. They sink like stones. It doesn’t mean that they can’t be taught to swim, but they start out with a natural disadvantage. Just one more thing we are not allowed to talk about so if you mention it in public people will start looking for your tinfoil racist hat, but there is scientific data to back this.
* Who is the person who traditionally introduces you to the forest and the outdoors? It’s your Dad. Your father is the one who takes you out and teaches you all about it, and who teaches you all your backwoods skills. Few black families have fathers around anymore. They don’t have anyone to assume this traditional role in life.