Politico’s Unpublished Vox Day Interview

LINK:

Do you expect your writing will gain more traction in Washington during the Trump administration than it has in recent years?

I would tend to think so. Considering that I publicly predicted both the 2008 financial crisis and the Trump presidency long before they happened, it would seem to make sense to pay attention to those commentators utilizing effective predictive models rather than those that have proven repeatedly false. Regardless of what people think about it, it is increasingly obvious that the Alt-Right is the only philosophical perspective that is in line with both current science and the present historical trends.

Have you been to DC since Election Day? Are you planning to spend more time in DC during the Trump administration ? (I’m not sure where you’re based)

No, I haven’t been there in years. And I have no intention of going there in the future.

Do you or other intellectuals you’re in touch with have plans for building a lasting political movement?

I have absolutely no interest in building a political movement, ephemeral or lasting. I am solely interested in writing books, designing games, and understanding what is true to the greatest extent of my ability to recognize it. While some of the people with whom I am in touch are actively involved in politics, and I support their efforts, that’s just not something in which I’m interested. My parents were involved in politics and that exposure was sufficient to dissuade me from it.

What was your parents’ political involvement and how did it dissuade you from pursuing politics?

They were heavily involved in Minnesota politics and were both delegates at the 1988 RNC. My father also ran Pat Robertson’s presidential campaign in Minnesota and was close with Ralph Reed and the Christian Coalition. What I saw in the inner circles of the Republican Party was that with a few principled exceptions, most of the establishment figures cared about nothing but influence and money. They viewed ideology as something to keep the rubes occupied.

That’s why Donald Trump smoked the GOP establishment so badly. He listened to the people and embraced their causes. The professional Republicans had been tuning them out for at least 28 years.

Plans to set up think tanks or run candidates for office or set up other political infrastructure?

None at all.

Do you have thoughts or plans on how to gain wider acceptance for ideas that are currently treated as taboo?

Reality has a way of imposing itself on societal taboos. Identity politics are upon the USA whether we like them or not. Acceptance for the Alt-Right perspective will occur due to the continued failures of liberalism and conservatism alike, as it is already obvious to anyone who is paying attention that the idea of a shiny happy multicultural, multireligious America is a complete and utter failure. How much more failure has to happen before people reluctantly abandon their false philosophical models cannot be known, but we know that sooner or later, they will.

In other words, we don’t have to do anything but continue to point out the obvious to everyone, and eventually, inevitably, the sane and stable elements of the America public will come to accept it.

COMMENTS:

* A beautiful response, and it is now entirely apparent why they wouldn’t touch the thing with a ten foot pole.

* Dude… the answers you gave him probably scared the living crap out of him.

But the whole “alt-right comes to washington” idea is false on its face. Think tanks?

I mean is this supposed to be 1978 or something?

The world is decentralized. The Alt-Right is decentralized.

To quote the old facebook lady… That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works!

* Vox is just a check box on a list of people to provoke evil badthink comments from they can shriek at and use to generate click bait. Actual intelligent engagement and learning about him or any of the alt-right is not on their radar.

* I also find it odd that groups that have gotten ahead by having an in-group identity preference, hate the idea of other groups doing the same, in particular the white majority that formed this very nice place to live in the first place.

* Even though you may not enjoy spending time answering these people, Vox, I think you’re doing a great work by posting up these posts. It lands another blow on the media’s credibility the more it’s displayed just how two-faced they are with interviews.

And we all know that the media lives and dies on credibility.

* From his questions you can see he that he only thinks in terms of setting up think tanks, running candidates for office, building a political movement.

He is not able to grasp that a guy with a blog/website/youtube channel can have more influence these days than an entire political movement with think tanks and candidates, as long as this guy has the right ideas and is able to identify the prevailing trends in history, science and identity politics.

* Ironic reply considering the rumor Jared Kushner is working with Mike Cernovich and a few others to destroy the Alt-Right from within.

This is why Cernovich helped doxx The Right Stuff and other shitlords…

The Alt-Right were just like the Sturmabteilung… useful right until they were not, then it’s purge time.

For good or ill, Trump used the Alt-Right as pawns. Now Trump is working through his Jewish son-in-law to crush the Alt-Right totally. It could be a smart move.

PS: The next one to get doxxed will be Ricky Vaughn. Watch and see.

* I actually thought this article was decent. It captured several of the inner movements and tensions going on among the Right these days. I think it benefited from the reporter not seeming to really understand what he was studying, so he ended up passing along more unvarnished perspective from his interviewees than normal (if he had understood more, I think he would have fit more into his pre-chosen categories–he did enough of that as it was.)

Of course, for an article purporting to be about how the “alt-right is coming to Washington”, it actually included little about those who consider themselves alt-right and less about figures trying to set up shop in Washington. And the swipe at VD for only responding in writing and then not including any of the answers was cowardly. But I’ve seen worse.

* 1 – a strong in group preference, by default, indicates a strong out group DISpreference. otherwise there would be no basis for the in group or a preference for it

2 – IF you prefer the success of your ingroup over the outgroup THEN you will try to implement policies and social norms which hobble the outgroup against which you are competing

3 – when you are the foreigner and tiny minority, this means implementing policies and norms harmful to the majority and native culture

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Why Were Jews Banned From Some Country Clubs?

Comments at Steve Sailer:

* What behavior of Jews caused restriction from country clubs?
Were they bad golfers?
Did they act poorly in the club house? How so?
Did they act inappropriately in the dining room? How so?
How was German Jew behavior different from Eastern European Jew behavior?
Was there some desired etiquette or standard to maintain?
Are there traits that arise from life in the shtetl that take time to reverse?
American life describes impacts of high school, and Ostjuden life describes impacts of shtetl each one with psyche scars if true.

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Forward: ‘The ‘Alt-Right’ Hates the Jews. But It Also Loves Them — and Israel.’

Sam Kestenbaum writes a decent article:

When Rabbi Matt Rosenberg went to a speech presented by one of the country’s leading white nationalists, he hoped to make a statement about the power of Judaism. During a question-and-answer session after the talk, Rosenberg, who heads Hillel at Texas A&M, asked Richard Spencer, the self-styled ambassador of the “alt-right,” whether the two could sit down and study together.

“My tradition teaches a message of radical inclusion and love,” Rosenberg said. “Will you sit town and learn Torah with me, and learn love?”

“Do you really want radical inclusion into the State of Israel?” Spencer asked, a smile spreading across his face. “And by that I mean radical inclusion. Maybe all of the Middle East could go move into Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. Would you really want that?”

Rosenberg fell silent. Spencer did not. He went on, saying the Jewish people have prevailed because they resist assimilation — and he respected that.

“Jews exist precisely because you did not assimilate,” he said. “I respect that about you. I want my people to have that same sense of themselves.” The two men were speaking about different Jewish paradigms: Jews as nation versus Jews as citizens of the world. One of them Spencer praised; the other he sneered at.

This is an excellent opening that cuts to the nub of things — while different groups often have conflicting interests, all groups have an interest in developing their own destiny, unity, strength and cohesion without negative influence by outsiders and this building up always requires the making of barriers against out-groups.

Spencer says his dream of building a “white ethno-state” is “very similar to how Jews conceive of Israel.” He even describes his vision as something like “white Zionism.”

Spencer’s complicated relationship with Jews is illustrative. In the sprawling and divided world of the “alt-right” there are multiple factions. All groups imagine whites as an embattled group, whose white power and control is under threat from non-whites. But they are divided on the next part: Are Jews an enemy to the white nation, a model to emulate, or some combination?

In a glossy promotional video for Spencer’s organization, the National Policy Institute, a pro-Israel march flashes across the screen as Spencer reads aloud, “At a time when every other people is asserting its own [identity]… are we ready to become who we are?”

‘Jesus Christ Was A Jewish Klansman.’

Spencer isn’t the first white separatist to hold seemingly contradictory views on the Jews. Earlier white supremacists like the Ku Klux Klan had a similar love-hate relationship; Spencer and his cohort are building on these foundations.

In a 1926 tract on “religious and patriotic ideals,” one KKK-affiliated minister praised Jews as “a wonderful people,” particularly the way in which they have maintained the “purity of their racial blood, refusing to intermarry with other races.”

Do Jews ever have conflicting feelings about gentiles? The Forward writer acts as though it is shocking that a non-Jewish group has different reactions to Jews depending on time, place and circumstance.

Years ago, before his David Duke affiliations, “Hail Trump” Nazi salutes and rise to fame amid the campaign of Donald Trump, Spencer attended elite private schools in Dallas. Some of his classmates and friends were Jewish.

“The Jews were the kids that told me Santa Claus wasn’t real. They were kind of nerdy and little different,” Spencer said. “I didn’t have any major problems with them.”

Spencer didn’t reflect too much on Jewishness or on race at all.

He was a dedicated student, and in 2005, Spencer entered a doctoral program at Duke University, studying European intellectual history.

But he dropped out, his website reads, “to pursue a life of thought-crime.”

He had flirted with far-right ideology, but in the next years he would make a more dramatic shift. “I knew there was something wrong with the world,” Spencer told the Forward. “I began rethinking everything.”

In 2010 he founded a website called AlternativeRight.com and around the same time took the helm at the NPI think-tank, which is “dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of people of European descent in the United States.”

Among his influences he cites Jared Taylor, the white nationalist editor of the website American Renaissance, which describes itself as the “premier race-realist site” on the internet. An early mentor of Spencer’s, Paul Gottfried, the inventor of the term “alternative right,” is Jewish and is a graduate of Yeshiva University.

Taylor describes himself as a “white advocate,” but he has made clear that he has no problem working with Jews; one time, he even banned discussion of the so-called “Jewish question” from online forums associated with American Renaissance.

And Spencer has said he respects some Jewish nationalists, including the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu.

“I would say, if I were to have a beer with Netanyahu I bet we would agree on everything. I think we would see eye to eye,” Spencer said. “If I had a beer with Jon Stewart, he would be horrified and I would be annoyed.”

Spencer’s “white ethno state” is his long-term goal. It’s just a dream, he says, and he’s not sure how to get there. But he evokes the success of the Zionist project. His white “homeland,” he said, would be “very similar to how Jews conceive of Israel.”

That’s a fair summary.

Israel’s founding document, its Declaration of Independence, while declaring the country a Jewish state, also made a “striking embrace of all peoples and religions,” said Jonathan Sarna, professor of American Jewish history at Brandeis University.

“It would be difficult to square that with the notion of a white nation,” Sarna said. “That is the very opposite of what the white nationalists want.”

For “alt-right” members who see Zionism in a positive light of sorts, it may have little to do with the country of Israel itself.

“For a lot of people, Israel is a Rorschach test test,” Sarna said. “What they see in Israel tells us more about them than it does about Israel.”

Spencer compares himself to pre-state Zionist thinkers, seeing his role as a dreamer — not necessarily as someone who would build his whites-only nation, but one who would lay conceptual groundwork for a state.

“A similar thing could be said of Jews. Jews were imagining Zionism there is a Jewish state in the Middle East,” Spencer said in a radio interview with the website Reveal. “You have to dream it before you build it.” he said, trying his hand at a very Herzlian-sounding mantra.

There “is often talk about ‘Zionism’ as being a horrible evil that intends to take over the world,” author Brett Stevens wrote in August on the website Alternative-right.blogpost.com, “forgetting that Zionism is an assertion of Nationalism — the idea that Jews need their own state, and all Jews belong there, where they can control their destiny and live according to their ways.”

Torah makes no room for non-Jewish citizenship in the Jewish state. Meir Kahane’s proposed legislation to criminalize sex between Jews and non-Jews is basic Torah. Every accomplished group has beliefs about separating from out-groups. Israel’s “striking embrace of all peoples and religions” is a bit of a delusion. Israel is a Jewish state run in the interests of Jews. Most Israelis wish that the Palestinians would disappear. “Death to the Arabs” is a popular chant in Israel.

Is the Jewish state stronger for providing citizenship to two million Arabs who hate it? That doesn’t make sense. What percentage of Israelis would prefer to have no Arabs in Israel? A majority, I would think.

Still, Spencer’s admiration for Jews is mixed with repulsion — particularly the belief that Jews have played a negative and outsize role in the decline of white civilization. And this attitude can be found across the contemporary white nationalist camp, which is beset with internecine disputes.

He calls the so-called “Jewish question” (or “JQ,” in contemporary “alt-right” lingo) among the most “complicated and difficult” topics for white nationalists. The term “Jewish question” of course has its roots in Nazi Germany, whose leaders gathered on the shores of Lake Wannsee outside Berlin to plan the “Final Solution to the Jewish Question in Europe.”

The Jewish Question had its roots in Europe more than a hundred years before the Nazis came to power.

He sees some liberal Jews, like the Texan rabbi, as “duplicitous,” presenting their case in “gooey, universalistic” terms. “I think it is easy to understand black crime, illegal immigrants, that’s in your face,” Spencer said. “But the Jewish question is extremely complicated.”

Indeed, the question of just how the “alt-right” should relate to Jews is a frequent fault line among Spencer’s followers and fellow travelers.

In December, the divergent views of the “alt-right” on Jews came to a head after online personality Tim Treadstone (better known as “Baked Alaska”) was booted from an upcoming “alt-right” inauguration event called the Deploraball after a series of tweets he wrote about the media being “run in majority by Jewish people.”

“Alt-right” personality Mike Cernovich, the event’s organizer, was worried that Treadstone’s anti-Semitism would undermine the growing political influence of the “alt-right” after Trump’s win. “No Nazi salutes, no JQ bullshit,” Cernovich wrote privately to Treadstone, scolding him and removing him from the event bill shortly thereafter. Paul Joseph Watson, an editor of the conspiracist website Infowars, which is also associated with the “alt-right,” described the “two ‘alt-rights.’”

One likes to wear Trump hats, “create memes & have fun,” he wrote in a public Facebook post. “The other faction likes to fester in dark corners of subreddits and obsess about Jews, racial superiority and Adolf Hitler.”

Wow, just wow. Non-Jews have differing reactions to Jews, just as Jews have differing reactions to non-Jews. Who would have thought?

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Neo-Nazi Blogger Mike Enoch Quits Over Revelation His Wife Is Jewish

I don’t recall Mike Enoch talking about killing Jews. The JTA couldn’t quote any examples of such genocidal rhetoric. I wonder if they just made that up, just like they lied about Enoch Powell being a Nazi sympathizer.

Shoddy shoddy journalism as usual from JTA.

We need a strong man to make the Jewish press great again.

Enoch Powell’s Wikipedia:

During his time in Australia as a professor, he grew increasingly angry at the appeasement of Nazi Germany and what he saw as a betrayal of British national interests. After Neville Chamberlain’s first visit to Adolf Hitler at Berchtesgaden, Powell wrote in a letter to his parents of 18 September 1938:

I do here in the most solemn and bitter manner curse the Prime Minister of England [sic] for having cumulated all his other betrayals of the national interest and honour, by his last terrible exhibition of dishonour, weakness and gullibility. The depths of infamy to which our accurst “love of peace” can lower us are unfathomable.[6]:47

In another letter to his parents in June 1939, before the beginning of war, Powell wrote: “It is the English, not their Government; for if they were not blind cowards, they would lynch Chamberlain and Halifax and all the other smarmy traitors”.[6]:53 At the outbreak of war, Powell immediately returned to Britain, but not before buying a Russian dictionary, since he thought “Russia would hold the key to our survival and victory, as it had in 1812 and 1916”.

(JTA):

The founder of the popular right-wing blog post The Right Stuff resigned over the revelation that his wife is Jewish.

Mike Enoch, who also co-hosts “The Daily Shoah” weekly podcast, was outed over the weekend as Mike Peinovich, a website developer from New York. On the podcast, which has about 100,000 regular listeners, Peinovich as Enoch talked about killing Jews and spouted neo-Nazi invective.

The release of Peinovich’s personal details came after the identities of the other podcast panelists were made public earlier in the week by a rival website called 8chan. The invented surname reportedly is a reference to Enoch Powell, a far-right British politician and Nazi sympathizer.

Enoch was considered one of the three most influential figures in the “alt-right” movement along with Daily Stormer creator Andrew Anglin and Richard Spencer, president of the National Policy Institute, a white supremacist think tank. Spencer is a co-creator of the alt-right label, which describes a far-right movement whose followers traffic variously in white nationalism, anti-immigration sentiment, anti-Semitism and a disdain for “political correctness.”

Peinovich came clean with readers of The Right Stuff, posting a message in a password-protected forum that was reprinted in part by Salon.

“As I am sure you all know, I was doxxed and an ill advised attempt to fool the media about my identity led me to not talk to you people and to try to simply ride it out by being silent,” he said. “This was irresponsible and a disservice to all of you. Yes my wife is who they say she is, I won’t even bother denying it, I won’t bother making excuses. If this makes you want to leave the movement, or to have nothing to do with TRS, then I understand.

“Don’t lie for me. Don’t try to defend me to those attacking me. Don’t jeopardize your own reputation by defending things that you don’t think you can. I could try to explain my whole life for the last ten years to you but what difference at this point would it make. Life isn’t perfect.”

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Alt Right Podcaster Mike Enoch Separates From His Jewish Wife

New York Daily News:

The Right Stuff is known for promoting white supremacy while popularizing the “echo” method of marking Jewish people online.

Wrote one white nationalist aficionado, “It’s pretty bad for your [white nationalist], fourth reich, neo-nazi, facist movement when one of the head guys happens to be married to a Jew.”

In an audio recording posted Tuesday morning along with the statement “Thank you for all your support, apologies to all we have let down,” co-hosts of one of the blog’s podcasts, “The Daily Shoah,” attempted to explain the controversy.

“We’re complicit in it,” admitted one of the blog’s members known as Sven. “I knew that Mike’s wife was ethnically, partially Jewish.”

According to the hosts, Peinovich is now separating from his wife of 10 years. However, the reeling racists didn’t appear to agree on how egregious it was that Peinovich and his wife’s relationship existed.

“Me personally, do I give a s— that his wife is Jewish? No, I don’t, sorry,” said co-host Alex, whose full name is also not listed.

“I don’t give a s— that he married somebody 10 years that was Jewish before he knew,” said Sven. “I certainly don’t recommend that you go out and do that now.”

Regardless of the merits of Neo-Nazis knowingly falling in love with anyone outside their race, the hosts of the “#2 Republican Party podcast” seemed to acknowledge the incident has damaged the Right Stuff.

Said Sven, “It’s a disaster.”

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