01:00 NYT: Monkeypox and the Gay Community, https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/briefing/monkeypox-gay-community.html
08:00 WEHT to Matt Drudge?
12:20 What Tucker Carlson did to get blacklisted by Matt Drudge, https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/finding-matt-drudge/id1726181351
18:00 Why Drudge turned against Trump, https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-drudge-turned-on-trump/id1726181351?i=1000647362894
30:00 Elites vs regular Americans, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7tJPnS8vJE
32:00 We don’t live in a media-run state contra to NS Lyons, https://substack.com/@theupheaval/note/c-65320115
37:30 Climate change
46:00 Did women in academia cause wokeness?, https://www.noahsnewsletter.com/p/did-women-in-academia-cause-wokeness?r=7bj1z
1:00:30 Exposing Channel 7’s secrets | Four Corners, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2y5VbC4WCo
1:05:00 The history of ugly laws,
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/history-of-ugly-laws-america-disability
Podnotes AI transcript:
Speaker 0: Good day, Mate 40 here. So apparently there’s another monkey bark, Monkey pox epidemic world Health organization. Sounding the alarm about monkey parks epidemic. And monkey pox does not sound very nice, but there’s 1 thing that’s worse the monkey pox and that’s stigma. Right?
The type of behavior. That transmits monkey parks such as participating in
Speaker 1: nation that that’s…
Speaker 0: Gay piss org. So monkey parks discriminate. Alright? It overwhelmingly targets men who are wildly sexually prom in Org and you might be approved, and you might think that that should be stigma ties, but let me tell you stigma. Alright, gay piss org.
That is worse the monkey parks itself, We got a world health organization experts
Speaker 1: different discrimination that that surrounds many diseases. And I think the key thing we need to look out.
Speaker 0: Guys, that we we’ve gotta stop stigma digitizing, participating in gay org. Luke has a very strong confirmation bias he consistently demonstrates a tendency to interpret information in way that confirms his pre existing beliefs or hypotheses. Yes. I think you are right. Who would you say in public life are the biggest exceptions to what you just said.
I would love to learn from them. But watch out for stigma participating in gay guys.
Speaker 1: 4 is, . As Who to work with our partners in communities and elsewhere to make sure that their messaging is correct. So while, for example, we’re seeing, , some cases are amongst, many are sex with men, this is not a gay disease as some people… In social media I have had.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It disproportionately affects Gay men who participate in wild amounts of sexual prom security, but it is not a gay disease.
Speaker 1: Have attempted to to label it. That’s just not the case. You don’t need to have sexual contact in order to, transmit, monkey cops. Close personal cock.
Speaker 0: I mean, it really helps. Alright? It it’s overwhelmingly spread by a close personal contact of a wildly prom nature. Alright. Participating in gay Piss Org really good way to transmit Monkey parks.
Speaker 1: Anti sufficient.
Speaker 0: Alright. But the worst thing we could do is stigma that kind of behavior. So apparently, many in the gay community are worried about the stigma monkey
Speaker 2: dinner with a purpose. Dozens fill a Toronto restaurant for a meal prepared by Hiv positive chefs. A knight to bust the stigma that still stubborn remains. Randy Davis, who’s lived with Hiv since 20 15 is 1 of the chefs.
Speaker 3: I’m a big believer in stigma being a combination of ignorance and fear. So we educate folks that alleviate their fear.
Speaker 0: Right. There’s no realistic reason why you should stigma ties actually transmitted diseases. Alright? There’s no realistic, rational imp reason why you wanna stigma ties people engage in reckless behavior that transmits deadly diseases. But there’s absolutely no rational reason.
Alright? It just only comes out of ignorance.
Speaker 2: A belief he’s leaning on as fear swirl the monkey pox outbreak could again lead to discrimination against men who have sex with other men.
Speaker 0: It always… Well, not just men who has sex with other men, but men who have sex with hundreds of other men.
Speaker 3: It seems to be easier to blame a group of folks who are marginalized that are on the periphery.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Don’t stigma ties people who engage in reckless, risky behavior that is is the cause of of thousands of deaths of completely innocent people. Right? Such as with aids overwhelmingly spread by reckless risky behavior, and then people who behave responsibly were completely innocent, they had to die too. Right?
Because a tiny subset of men who in reckless risky behavior, Right? Wildly, disproportionately spread Hiv and monkey pox. But that stigma ties that wild reckless anti social behavior.
Speaker 3: Of what is considered traditional society. We we just don’t want the same thing happening again with with this virus and and targeting it as as a gay disease because we know it’s not.
Speaker 2: Monkey pox is transmitted by close contact with an infected person or contaminated object. It can lead to a range of symptoms. But cases in Canada have so far been mild.
Speaker 1: We need to recognize that this is not transmitted from and between gay and, this is transmitted between people.
Speaker 0: Why I’d say talk about science and talk like facts.
Speaker 4: Don’t talk about communities don’t.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Don’t talk about communities. Right, who practice reckless risky anti social behavior. Right? Don’t talk about the behavior that spreads these awful diseases.
Right? Don’t stigma ties. Yeah the communities that practice reckless, risky, anti social behavior. Don’t stigma ties them. Stigma ties them.
Speaker 2: This advocate says stigma could prevent…
Speaker 0: Right. Where we’ve got Covid prevent people from going to church, and I’m open to there there was a good solid argument. For making going to church illegal during certain periods of the coronavirus outbreak. I I’m open to to that argument. But a public health authorities are very happy to discourage or render illegal going to church.
But they are very frightened of picking on communities that engage in reckless risky behavior such as gay piss.
Speaker 2: Spent some men from seeking treatment.
Speaker 4: People who are not, let’s say, out, not out to their families not out in public. They may not come out to get vaccine in our treatment for the fear of being out
Speaker 0: there as a gay person.
Speaker 2: Misinformation about the virus much of it homophobic has been rife online, prompting doctors to fight back.
Speaker 5: Trying to put the blame on a certain group in society disgusting and keep your hopeful for check.
Speaker 2: Ken Mont heath was diagnosed with Hiv.
Speaker 0: Right. Right. Putting putting some kind of a stigma or dispersion on the group that overwhelmingly spreads these awful diseases through reckless risky anti social gay ps. Right, that’s the the biggest sin.
Speaker 2: We in 19 97. He’s concerns society will again blame and shame those with this virus.
Speaker 0: Think… We have to move past, moral judgments. And… Yeah. We have to move past moral judgments guys.
You have to move past stigma digitizing reckless risky anti social deadly behavior. That that threatens to destroy that the lives of tens of thousands of responsible citizens, and we have to start following science.
Speaker 2: Advocates say the key is getting information and vaccines to those most affected while not. Fueling fear.
Speaker 3: We really have to make sure that we’re getting the message. they’re based on facts, not con.
Speaker 2: And important…
Speaker 0: Yeah. The the fact that this is overwhelmingly spread by wildly risky gay piss. Alright, that’s a fact, but it’s not the the type of fact that they weren’t spread. Okay. Let’s talk about a great gay American, Matt Dr, pioneering a blogger.
And whatever happened to Matt Dr, I noticed a lot of people think that he sold his site. No. He didn’t sell his side, he simply changed his politics. Alright? So I was good friends with Andrew B, who operated the dr report along with Matt Dr for years and Andrew was afraid of almost nobody, but he was afraid of Matt Dr.
And Andrew would con confined in me about what was like to work for Matt Dr about, what a drama Queen he was about how he was very quick to cut people out of his life that he was super sensitive to the the smallest of slight. Alright, that it was working… He was working for someone who who was paranoid and who jumped on the Obama Bandwagon and and just rode that for for years. Alright? So whenever Andrew B introduced any skeptical links to stories about the Black Masa messiah, Barack Obama Matt Dr would take them down.
Matt Dr had no patience for any negative stories about Barack Obama. So Matt Dr certainly has some conservative and libertarian leaning, but the guy also, for years had a soft spot for Alex Jones in the wildest most un confounded conspiracy theories. So he… He’s essentially a drama queen, and he’s all over the spectrum trying to get attention. Not all over the sexual spectrum, but all over the political spectrum, just trying to stay edgy and interesting.
There’s a new podcast out court finding Matt dr. And here the host Chris Mu speaks to Joseph Cole who edited the dr report from 20 10 to 20 14.
Speaker 6: But about how influential Matt dr is, and that would get posted. And some of my colleagues had done that, and I would always shoot them a joking message saying, , kiss ass, you’re just trying to get yourself on on the drugs report.
Speaker 7: As the editor of the dr report, people want to
Speaker 0: find out. Right. The highest status people. Alright. Nationally syndicated radio.
People like dennis P. Peep people who who are in public life, they desperately desperately wanted to be linked on the dr report. Like, so the highest status people would often make fools of themselves seeking to be linked from the dr report.
Speaker 7: How they can get in with Dr or get their content onto to Dr. Tucker Carlson told me the story of him, , when he launched the daily caller, I was a reporter there in those early days. We couldn’t get on the dr report. It just wasn’t happening for us, and I know that it bothered Tucker because he had, , we were getting scoops. We were writing stories that were…
We thought were dr worthy. Can you tell me the story of, your side of the story when when…
Speaker 0: And do why Matt dr would never link to any articles on the daily caller for the most petty of reasons and
Speaker 7: Tucker reach out to you to have a chat.
Speaker 6: Yeah. 1 time I got an email from Tucker saying, hey, let’s, , let’s meet up someplace place and he ended up coming out near my house and we better at a Starbucks and he he said, hey, ben I cannot get on the drug report. I don’t know what what to do and, , we’re we’re trying to start this big operation and and obviously, again, back in those days, Matt was really a king. I mean, if you if you got links on the page, , you might triple your page views for the day just buy a single link. , if they were getting 300 a thousand, they might get a million page views by getting the top story on the growth reports, it would be huge, not only to the success of the of the webpage, but also, , for for money for for advertising rates would
Speaker 0: So there’s absolutely no evidence that Matt Dr has sold his side. Alright? It still bears all the Hem marks Air max of Matt Dr behavior. So He’s still doing it. He’s just not doing it very well.
Speaker 6: You can charge the things. I’m looking at an old notebook that I have kept ever since my days there, that, from when he told me things not to run, and this is interesting. He said, no news about… No news busters, no daily caller, no talking points memo, no business insider and no media. He laughed at that last 1 because he was like, what a terrible name maybe kidding to say it media, I.
Text But if you’ll look now. I mean, he runs several media eyed stories every day. So obviously, things keep changing, but that was back in the day when when the daily caller was was a band site. So we met at to Starbucks and and Tucker said , what what do I need to do here? What why why can’t I get on there?
So 1 time when I was talking to Matt, I I said, , he he’s tucker carlson is distraught about not being able to go on the page. And and and Matt goes, well, he knows what he did. And I said, all does I mean and he’s like, he did something, and he does what it is. And and I’m not running his stuff. And so I went back to Tucker.
And I said, hey, Tucker. It sounded like you had done something, and he was unhappy. I and, he goes, tucker goes Oh, man. That really still… He goes, we were both in the green room with Fox News 1 time.
And I said to Matt, what he up to? He was getting ready to go in a foreign trip. And, , then they parted ways and and Matt had bit on the air and then left and then Tucker goes on the air, and and and I guess they said to Tucker, , hey, you were just , just chatting with Matt Dr, and he goes, yeah. Here he’s off to israel or sweetener where was going. And the head Mad so mad that he literally just was, like, don’t run anything from the daily caller.
So after Tucker told me that story, I said, look, just just give it a try. Just, , do a grove apology to Mad and say you’re really sorry. You didn’t mean to do anything, and you’ll never do it again, and can you please run me? And I got a message back from Tucker a few weeks later saying, boom, it it happened. He…
He’s accepted it, and he’s posted our stop. So
Speaker 0: There’s a great story in this series about Tucker Carlson at Matt Dr first press conference. When Matt Dr spoke to the press club in Washington Dc. And Matt… And and tucker carlson admits at the time. I was just thinking, of all the ways that Matt Dr should be condemned because you had this innovative outsider, who didn’t always follow a journalist principles and he was breaking big stories and the the news media just absolutely hated Matt Dr and tucker at me interesting point that that when you’re young.
Right? You’re particularly susceptible to peer pressure. So you have someone doing something different, And as a result, Tucker admitted that along with the rest of the press curry just absolutely hated Matt.
Speaker 6: I guess back out over it and after a big formal apology. Andrew B told me a sort of a depressing story 1 time is… He called me and… Said this is after he had started b bar news, and he said, , I can’t get stuff up on judge. Matt had told me when before B left, he was concerned that…
Speaker 0: Yeah. Matt Matt loved torturing Andrew. And Andrew had a wife, and Andrew had kids. Matt Gay. So Matt doesn’t have to worry about protecting a family.
And so Andrew was very vulnerable to the… Whim of Matt Dr mood, and Matt Dr delighted in inflict pain on Andrew.
Speaker 6: That B was trying to cash in on the cache the dr report. B, was starting to get pretty famous. He was an outspoken conservative, really enjoyed mixing it up with people. And so B had had started a new website. He was like, I can’t get anything on the page.
Matt said, , well, go ahead and and get the wires and I’ll try to link to you and head through you to the wires, the, , so press reuters, those types of places. B called me and and said, I I don’t know why, like, I can’t get anything on the page and a short after that, I asked matt about that and he said don’t run any B bar stuff. That I didn’t say why. I just said, okay. And he said, , just just don’t run anything from B.
B word, I think spent some, like, a hundred thousand dollars to get the wires, which are very expensive. And it was more than a year before Matt came back and said, okay, you can post p part things down. But I don’t know what that was about, but mad is is kind of thin skin and somewhat vin addictive. And so, , it might have just been punishment. It’s it’s the way Mad deals with other people that…
Speaker 0: Yeah. A lot of gay drama around Matt dr.
Speaker 6: , is unusual. You anyone who has been his friend and then found that they are a former friend that never speaks with me, again, knows what I’m talking about. Like the story with Tucker Carlson said, I never would have guessed it was down until Tucker told me that story, but back and hold some grudges.
Speaker 7: Take me through your average morning, and when you were
Speaker 0: Okay. Here’s the segment on way. Matt Dr turned on…
Speaker 8: Okay. I’m getting lunch
Speaker 0: on Donald Trump. So let me fast forward here. Here we go. Quite much
Speaker 7: magazine, and here’s what she said. Quote, Dr and I are both leaving Florida and we’re not telling anyone where we’re going this time.
Speaker 0: Right. That’s Anne Court who was friendly with with Dr for years.
Speaker 7: So I guess the mystery remains.
Speaker 0: Alright. Let’s get to the segment. Why did Matt Ton gets?
Speaker 9: More than just a technology provider… Base the question
Speaker 7: about Donald Trump, but didn’t really answer it. How could he? Really the only person who could are articulate it?
Speaker 0: Alright. This is a journalist from the Columbia journalism review who showed up on Matt Dr doorstep in 20 20 and Matt matt through a fit. And never answered this question where he turned against Trump.
Speaker 10: Specifically, to the point where individuals on other big conservative media Trump allies start realizing it. And this was also something that then president Trump stop
Speaker 0: So Matt turned against Trump in 20 17. About the the summer of 20 17. I noticed that after Trump fired James Comey.
Speaker 10: Started noticing in late 20 19 and reacting to it within the halls of the White House with a sense of intense displeasure. He started asking friends, senior White House officials, other allies who would be speaking to, things like, hey, what… What’s what’s going on with grudge lately. What’s matter with dr? While, why does it seem like he hates Trump all of a sudden.
I I thought we were good. Got to the point where he even asked Jared Kushner to check in to start basically investigating and calling around or perhaps even reaching out matt dr to figure out, oh, why he’s giving his dad in all such a hard time.
Speaker 7: Why do you think that dr turned on trump.
Speaker 10: I’m going to quote a 4, White House official, quote, Trump understands Matt t influence. He knows he can be a little material though, and prone to stir the pot. He also knows dr isn’t able to be bullied. Former Matt doesn’t owe his career to anyone and can’t be moved the way others can because he’s not afraid, not just a Trump, but in general. So I think that kind of gives kind of a taste of a 30000 foot view of what was going on there, b kind of had a sense for the way the winds were blowing.
On this, got to a point where in 20 19 and 20 20 when Matt Gru clearly felt and thought that, okay. I don’t need to carry all the water for this guy anymore, 1 of the things that really does account for that turn is that he decided to take this guy, Donald Trump who we had politically butted up to and sort of portrayed himself as a staunch media ally and start turning him into what he crave the most out of the American political landscape, which was tabloid fodder to run through his influential Internet machine. What he did with Clinton and the Le scandal. And if that’s the way you’re approaching the most powerful person were people on the face of the planet. And if you’re someone like Matt dr, how could you not want to give Donald Trump that kind of treatment.
It would be a waste of your at least ostensibly stated mission in life.
Speaker 7: To get an insider perspective, I wanted to talk directly with former White House officials about this
Speaker 0: pressure, you you fall under, the the more likely it is to reveal your character. And so Andrew B was was taken aback. He was astounded. He was disappointed. How almost all the high powered conservative intellectual would would just d base themselves to try to get on the dr report.
It was such a huge deal for them.
Speaker 7: Question. So I tracked down members of Donald Trump’s administration and presidential campaign to try to piece together what they thought the reason was that dr turned on their boss, and I got a wide range of answers. The first person I spoke to was Hogan Gi, who served as Donald Trump’s White House deputy press secretary and worked in the administration from 20 17 to 20 20.
Speaker 11: I heard it was all around the border. That the the border wall wasn’t built fast enough. And that’s what made him mad. Don’t know if that’s true. I just heard that from some people, , high up close to president that I worked with every day, and I heard him been passing.
We were talking about I say, well, how do we lose dr or we we had him and like, oh, no. They were… , he Judge was good to us, and then, I think he he’s Mad as we didn’t…
Speaker 0: So this what, I’ve noticed about conservatives like, and court, Matt Dr, who turned on Donald Trump. They are… That’s attention seeking dramatic people. Alright. I didn’t expect Donald Trump to implement all of his policies.
Alright I I wasn’t shocked that Donald Trump implemented some of his policies, but What Trump implemented was far superior to me than Hillary Clinton. So Trump had enormous personal flaws, but overall, I I think he was just simply clearly better for America. If you’re not a drama queen. Right, if you’re not an attention addict, and and you have right wing tendencies, you’d have to say that Donald Trump in 20 16 20 20 and 20 24 was far superior to the Democrat that he was running against. And so if you were an Avid Trump supporter and then turn against Donald Trump, it’s because you’re a drama queen.
Right? That you can’t deal with the reality of claude human beings. And having to weigh up competing values because just on a realistic, clear perspective, Donald Trump was a far superior presidential option than Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, and, Donald Trump overall did a better than average job during his term as a president of the United States, He’s not particularly good at running things, he’s a deeply flawed character. But if you are passionately for Trump than partially against Trump, that doesn’t say much about Donald Trump. That’s all about you.
You’re a drama queen. You’re an attention seeker. You are naive. You’re a romantic. You wanna see more to reality than really there.
It just shows that you have really bad judgment. That you don’t have the stones to be have to look reality in the eye. I’ve got a ice cold version of reality coming up. I’ll just mention it right now. There’s a story in the jerusalem post Alright?
Us presented Tehran list of assad agents involved in the Han assassination. So if true, that is called, but that is how nation states work. Right that’s how you your boss might work. But you might devote yourself to your boss. And if he has sufficient is and if he might well, quite betray you, but what we quote betrayal is simply our hyper expression for other the people having different priorities.
The United States, in particular the biden administration has significant incentives to not have a major Middle East conflict. And so it wouldn’t shock me if the the Us turned over to Iran, a whole bunch of homicide agents so that Iran could assassinate them if Iran would then hold off on some wider attack on Israel. Right? Different countries have different interests. Joe Biden has different interests from from Donald Trump.
Joe Biden wants a democrat to be elected as president. And he knows that if there’s a major war with Iran, oil prices will go up, and the the chances of a democrat being reelected go down. So it wouldn’t it should surprise me if the Biden administration turned over to Iran, a whole list of massage agents that Iran could then assassinate. And this isn’t because Joe Biden know the Democrats are particularly evil. This is how the world works.
Right? People who are your friends and allies 1 day will turn against you the next.
Speaker 11: Build the wall fast enough or something. That’s what I heard.
Speaker 7: And here’s Steve Bannon who worked on Donald Trump’s first presidential campaign and then join the administration. He was definitely off the Trump train as far as policy goes. Right? He just wasn’t a support you could tell that pretty obviously. The site went so negative Trump, but also so negative conservative and so negative Mag, it’s interesting.
Sam Nun, a Trump campaign adviser in 20 15 thinks the reason… Could have to do with Trump’s personality. The more time judge spent with Trump Nun says, the less he liked him.
Speaker 12: I think that judge played a pivotal role for Don in 20 60. And I think it paid a pivotal role hurting him in 20 20, turning against them. What are the biggest questions is gonna be what made him turning against Donald. They’re multiple theories. 1 thing I would think is the more time Matt spent with Donald.
Less he like them. You’re not gonna like what you see behind the scene. It’s not a nice picture. After the midterms as well, maybe Dr saw the writing on the wall as well. Right?
And didn’t wanna be with the loser himself, Well, look, we’ll never really know the reasons. Right?
Speaker 0: That that is probably a large reason. Right? Matt Dr didn’t wanna be associated with a loser, and he saw by the summer of 20 17 that Donald Trump was headed for losing. And you can make a pretty credible case that Donald Trump lost the 20 18, 20, 20 and 20 22 election. Not saying that’s the only perspective, but you you hear the argument that essentially there’s a 2 point swing against Donald Trump in the suburbs, in 20 18 and 20 20, and the presence of Donald Trump in Republican conversation to be their presidential candidate very well may have cost Republican seats in the 20 22 election.
Speaker 12: We’ll never know. You’ll never get a straight answer. Ultimately, Donald became a victim of Matt the same way many others have. Did Matt Make Donald lose the election in 20 20. No.
But Trump sure his hell coulda he used his help, and he didn’t have it.
Speaker 7: Sean Spice, Trump’s former White House press secretary said there was surprise when Dr started being critical of Trump. But then the relationship appeared irr repair.
Speaker 10: There were a couple early shots that sort of surprised people, and then, it was almost like the the doors of the dam opened up and it it wasn’t gonna ever get close again.
Speaker 7: Sebastian Go was deputy…
Speaker 0: Okay. That’s that’s enough on that. So 1 easy trick to avoid getting monkey parks. Alright. Charlie Kirk has a great tweet.
You have to worry about getting monkey parks. You have a lot of other issues going on. Right? Jerusalem post reporting Us senator Tehran, list of assad agents so that essentially Iran could then assassinate them. Car insurance it’s up 55 percent.
Right? During the Harris Biden administration because With the incentives that the Biden administration in the elite gave to police to stop enforcing the law, you had a lot more reckless driving and therefore a lot more insurance payout. So as a result, current insurance up 55 percent. Under Harris Biden. Okay.
He’s a young girl who is not too happy about having to marry an order Muslim man, maybe maybe we should have some skepticism about importing this culture into our lands. Well, maybe this is just the type of diversity that we need. I mean, horrifying this this young girl. Here just terrified at having to to marry this repulsive older man goes on all the time in modern Islam, along with slavery. Right?
It’s still a tremendous amount of a slavery, put her red d Right? Overall, the arab Islamic world is about the least developed and most savage part of the the world today. Good tweet here by the fisher king. The reason people cannot define fascism is there is no definition. It was a react into communism, an immune system response to say people from murderous animals, so it took on different forms in different places and it was never a program.
There’s no da capital of fascism. After a lot of intense study in research, I’ve concluded the best way to prevent yourself from getting monkey parks, which is to avoid attending gate Pe org. The raped Palestinian story was a lie conducted by crazy leftist us in Israel against the country’s own soldiers. Medical exam found no anal injuries to the alleged Victim Palestinian and said it appeared that he was just trying to hide a cell phone up his bomb. Interesting discussion here with Scott Rasmussen, the polls, about the differences between elites and regular Americans.
Speaker 9: You became very intrigued over the last year by this consistent outlier data from a subset of Americans. And you have since to find those as voters with a post… Graduate degree earning more than a hundred and 50000 dollars a year and living in a very high density area. So these are lawyers and doctors. And you have now conducted some surveys of these elites as you call it, the elite 1 percent.
And fascinating results. What are some of the things that you found in that polling?
Speaker 8: Well, , the first research that we did on this was commissioned by the committee to unleash Prosperity, Steve Morris group. And we found enormous gap in terms of trust in government and individual freedom, most Americans believe that there’s too little individual freedom on our nation. But half of this elite 1 percent So know there’s too much. And 1 of the subsets on the elites, the politically active elites, people who talk.
Speaker 0: So 1 of the major themes on this show, and I was really woken up to this by Covid and the generally moron run quality of conservative responses to Covid. And 1 are my ongoing themes is the stupidity of the ride. So I like the comment Ns lions. But I just read something you wrote on subs saying we’ve got a media run state. At he’s saying the news media runs the United States of America.
If that was true, Donald Trump would never been elected. If that was true, Republicans would not have control of the house, that was true, Donald Trump would not have been able to e new border wall. And replace falling apart border wall on the southern border. Alright. So much a public policy goes against what the media wants.
So how delusional do you have to be to think that we belong in a media run state? So I I just don’t have a lot of sympathy for this hyper attention seeking, , emotional drama queen overstate to say, look at me, look at me. Think… Think about how I see the world in far more profound ways than you do. I I recognize that the news media is running the United States of America.
Right look at public policy, look at the public policy that the media supports, and they’re frequently dramatic differences. Right? Immigration. Right? We generally have more restrictive immigration policies compared to what the the media wants, media is far more pro affirmative action.
Right the media is for far more government intervention with regard to Covid. Right? So in all sorts of areas. So if you wanna hear about the media perspective, just listen to Scott Rasmussen here talking about the preferences of the elite. And the elite don’t always get their way.
Speaker 8: Politics all the time. 69 percent of them said the rest of us have too much individual freedom. I’ll always we…
Speaker 0: Okay. So that… Would be a representative elite perspective that regular americans have way too much individual freedom, such as the freedom to earn guns, the freedom to homeschool their children, and the freedom to say what they think on social media. So from an elite perspective regular Americans have way too much freedom. Right?
From the news media perspective, Right? There there is , way too much freedom for regular Americans. Right? But that does not translate into automatic public policy.
Speaker 8: Talked about trust in government. 70 percent of these elites say they trust the government to do…
Speaker 0: And that’s largely true for media elites as well. They want to push government perspectives over conspiracy theories and misinformation online. So there are many… Ways of looking at the world here that the elites and that that includes the media elites hold that is not represented by a public policy.
Speaker 8: The right thing most of the time, guess what? Hardly any voters do about 22…
Speaker 0: Right. So the elites think the government does the right thing most of the time. Hardly any regular Americans do.
Speaker 8: The percent of voters, it’s been 50 years since most voters had that kind of trust. So there’s a big gap there When you begin to look at policy issues and other things, you see enormous differences on topics ranging from education to climate change. And in the latest research we did for the Apollo Institute, the the number that jumps out of me is most of these elites. Even though their views on a range of issues are widely out of touch with most Americans. They believe most Americans agree with them on key issues.
Among the politically act leads, 82 percent think most Americans agree with them on figs. And that scares me because that lets them rationalize bending the rules a little bit to do what they want.
Speaker 9: That’s absolutely astonishing. I mean, a couple more things that came out of that first research you did for the committee to unleash prosperity. 74 percent of the elites say their finances are getting better. That’s compared with 20 percent of the rest of voters. You did this back when president Biden was still in the running, but they gave him an 84 percent approval rating compared with 40 percent from the non elites.
Large of them have a favorable view of university professors, journalists, lawyers, and even members of congress. That’s ex to me. But here is another 1 that jumped out 77 percent of elite supports, strict rationing of gas, meat and electricity fight climate change.
Speaker 0: So if we had a media run state, that’s the type of public policy we we would have. But we don’t have that. Right? This is Lyon. Writing on subs notes 2 today’s ago.
We cannot be reminded often enough that while in the Soviet Union there at state run media, in our country, we have a immediate run state. Alright. I I know it’s illiterate. It it sounds clever. Alright.
Ns lions used to have a lot of sharp things to say, but as as as regular people become more successful, it often goes to their head, and they start thinking they or why is more profound that they really are, and then they just start saying the most ridiculous things that sound impressive. Right? That that sound profound, but just completely fall apart upon examination.
Speaker 9: Versus 28 percent of everyone else. I mean, the disconnect is mind boggling. And yet, I think the important thing here in this is these folks, even though there’s not very many of them. They hold positions of power. They are in influential position.
So We hear about their views more than everyone else’s. Is that not part of the point of this?
Speaker 8: That’s absolutely truth. These are people who know that if…
Speaker 0: Okay, Elliot vlad says people use the term climate change are ignorant or deliberately trying to deceive. How do ? I I mean, I don’t talk about climate change because I don’t really know anything. But I suspect that I’m about as aware of the topic as you are. So what basis do you make these sweeping distinctions?
I mean, I I I’m gonna go out of limb here and say that I doubt you’ve read 5 bucks are climate change. Right? I I’m gonna go out on a limb and say I suspect that you’re not more informed on climate change than I am. So I I listened to a lot of conservative talk radio, read conservative publications. I’m quite familiar with all the conservative debunk of climate change.
I I don’t feel like I know enough, so I certainly wouldn’t want to be making those kind of sweeping statements. Look at the data might do, the date is that… Well, that that can go in many different directions. Right? There’s arguments that we’re having more extreme weather that the planet is harder than it’s ever been.
So there is an overwhelming expert consensus on climate change. Doesn’t mean that they’re right. Right? Because you have to again, look, I I have some sympathy for earliest point of view. Because you have to look at the incentives if you appear skeptical of climate change, alright, you will be effectively blackboard from many parts of academia that specialize in climate change.
So There they’re apparently only a narrow range of options available to you if you want to specialize it in climate change and denial is not 1 of them if you’re gonna get any government grants or get tenure or to have good social standing at a university. Mainly the issue with climate changes pretending that we are the course for it and that we can somehow fix it. Okay. Yeah. I don’t know.
I’ve… I’ve listened to people on the left and well, no. I’ve listened to people making the case for climate change. And 1 thing that makes me skeptical of climate change is how it always seems to end up pushing the same policies that they would want even if there was no climate change. So more and more government intervention, like a heavily socialist state.
Severe restrictions on the free market. It just seems to echo all their own preferred policy procedures and stance, even if there was no such thing as climate change. So If you study an area, you’re specialize in an area and you only end up at the exact same point that you were before you went into the area, then I… I’m skeptical. Yeah.
I’m old enough to… And also, yet. Changing the term from global warming to climate change is suspicious. Alright? Because climate change in and of itself, is not a threat and there’s there’s certainly some evidence that some degree of global warming is a good thing that will make many areas that are to human life much more hospitable.
So I don’t talk about it much. I have… I share or your skepticism of it, but, I’m not willing to, dismiss it.
Speaker 8: There’s an issue they care about. They can go to the appropriate government official and get an audience, so they can go to their representative in Congress. These are people who are around media types and who are establishing media narratives. They are on corporate boards. These are people with a tremendous level of influence, A large segment of them went to what we might call the Iv plus schools and those schools tend to fill the ranks of corporate boards and others.
So, yes, Tremendous journalists. In journalists as well. That’s right And, , I first when, I saw the numbers on trust and all of these other things we’re talking about. I was a little puzzled with then I just began to realize it’s because they know them. The more recent research we’ve done shows that these people overwhelmingly recognize.
That if they care about an issue, they can get their congressman to listen to them. Among ordinary voters only 11 percent have that confidence. It’s not really anything more than these people are in a bubble and the government leadership is in it with them, which is what led us to do our recent survey on federal government managers. And what’s a little bit shi about that data is in many ways, their views, the people who are managers in the federal government today, They have views it a align more with the elite 1 percent than they do.
Speaker 0: Right. There’s a lot lot of sloppy exact discussion of elites versus regular Americans. I love the way that he just breaks it down. Makes it specific.
Speaker 8: With the American people. 1 example, hot topic recently, social media censorship. Very few voters think the federal government should have the right to censor social media posts. A majority and narrow majority of the elite 1 percent thinks. It should have that.
And by the way, 53 percent of federal government managers think that they should have that right to censor social media post. Pretty dramatic difference.
Speaker 9: And these are the people just to clarify. These are the people that are making those decisions. I mean, these are the bureau. Right? I mean, when we we say it loosely, the deep state.
Correct. And so… What year… I think another piece of research you had there that if they think a regulation is needed and know that voters oppose it, most of them, meaning more than 50 percent so that they should just ignore voters and implement that regulation anyway.
Speaker 8: Exactly right. 54 percent say, we know the voters disagree with this. They overwhelmingly oppose that. And we made it clear in the question overwhelmingly oppose it, but that’s okay. We think it’s the right thing to do.
This is a direct rejection of America’s founding ideals. I mean, the voters are supposed to be in charge.
Speaker 9: Here’s what I find so interesting about this research, but I’d love to get your thoughts on this is… To me, I think it helps explain the mood out there that you see among many voters in the country, which is they feel as though they’re not in control that the government is not working for them, but rather against them. That there are these vast. Forces raid against the little guy. And I wonder if this doesn’t help explain an account for some of the embrace pop you’ve seen out there among both parties, this attempt to say, I’m for the average joe the forgotten man.
I wonder if it doesn’t explain some of the shifting voting patterns that we are seeing, for instance, for instance, more and more college educated voters now voting for Democrats, more and more work.
Speaker 0: So this polls to Scott Rasmussen and he’s no longer with rasmussen and Polling, And I I recently un followed rasmussen polling on on Twitter just very low q conspiracy mon. So he he’s gone off to establish his own thing. And the… This is vital for for getting clarity on the difference between elite opinion and regular American opinion. I, it’s amazing that what 80 percent of elites want more social media censorship?
Speaker 9: Working class Americans voting for Republicans? Do you think that this helps explain some of those changes out there?
Speaker 8: Absolutely. In fact, I believe that this views and approach of the elite 1 percent are the root cause of the political toxicity we have in America today. The root cause of this dysfunction because they embrace a view, that is pretty disrespectful of voters. They think we should have a government of experts, they think they should be making the decisions. And when other people get in the way, it’s sort of annoying to them.
So I do think that’s a big part of it another part of it that and this goes back to what I mentioned a moment ago about, they tend to think that most Americans share their views, we asked about specific issues. Regardless of your own opinion, do you think most Americans support x y or z in their perspectives were…
Speaker 0: Okay. And the definition of a elite here, those with a postgraduate degree earning more than a hundred 50000 dollars a year and living in a high density area. So these are lawyers are doctors. These are the people called the elite.
Speaker 8: Wildly out of touch. So about 3 out of 4 members of both the elite 1 percent, and also among government managers think most Americans want to live in a city where guns are outlawed and the community where guns are out. Lord and where private ownership of guns is banned. That’s not where the public is not even close. Most people in these elite circles do think most Americans trust the govern.
And have these higher perspectives. And I think Kim, you’re… , you were talking about it in a theoretical sense of how does it impact the electoral process. I picture of more, Imagine someone has gone to school. They got left home, go to school and now they’re in this elite world or they’re a federal government manager and everybody around them is sharing their perspective.
And then they go back home and they meet their friends from high school. And their friends from high school are mocking members of Congress Are making fun of some of these things. I don’t believe that these experts or elites would then say, oh, that’s what most people think. They’re probably thinking what happened to my friends.
Speaker 9: We’re gonna take 1 more break when we get back from 1 Scott
Speaker 0: show here. Come on. Let’s keep it
Speaker 7: from the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 9: Deeply polarized country, and we have had… Very close elections for a long time. I’ve seen you voice your concern about that sometimes because you you have pointed out that 1 of the merits of landslide elections. And we haven’t seen any now since I was good. But 1 of the merits is that there was clarity in the outcome of the election.
No 1 could dispute it.
Speaker 0: So I’m not a big fan of Republicans disputing the legitimacy of the 20 20 presidential election result, what tends to get black hold in news media reporting is how often Democrats did the same thing in other races such as in the race for governor in Georgia, Stacey Abrams in 20 18, Hillary Clinton and the Democrats with regard to Trump winning in 20 16. And at the same time, I recognize recognized Democrats have a point that Republican election denial, was more severe and more widespread and more damaging than the amount of election and Denial carried on by Democrats in previous years.
Speaker 9: What do you envision happening this time? I’m assuming you’re gonna… Suggest that we are gonna have a very another close election in and How.
Speaker 0: Oh, so I I follow mainly writing wing accounts on Twitter, and there was a great deal of re jo by 1 Paul resort that showed Donald Trump with a national lead of 1 percentage point today. But the polls are steadily moving even more overall in Kamala Harris direction. So the… I think the real clear politics average right now is 3.3 percentage points for for Kamala Harris, So is kinda pathetic. So you got all these right wing is celebrating the the 1 pole result that showed, , Donald Trump in the lead where the overwhelming majority of Poles are steadily moving more and more and more, including today.
More and more more in kamala Harris direction.
Speaker 9: Concerned are you about disputes over its legitimacy.
Speaker 8: Oh, I’m very concerned. I do think unless something startling happens, it’ll be another close election. We know from our polling data that 60 percent of Democrats still believe Hillary Clinton was the legitimate winner in 20 16. We know that 65 percent of Republicans still believe that Donald Trump was the legitimate winner in 20 20. And so if this election is closed, the only safe prediction is a losing team is gonna feel that they were robbed.
The winner is not legitimate. This is a big concern. We’ve had 9 elections in a row where nobody has won more than 53 percent of the vote. , 19 84 was the last real landslide we had in America. And in that year, , to the point you mentioned earlier, Nobody said Walter Man could’ve have won 1 if he gone to wyoming or wisconsin or…
Speaker 0: Okay. Comment in the chat, how can either side trust the results. Well, the same way that you trust anything else in life? Right? You look at the evidence?
Right, how many people have being prosecuted for Voter fraud? What is the evidence for Voter fraud, and you don’t just go by some videos where people take a box and you don’t quite understand what’s going on. So you immediately jump to the conclusion that there’s Voter fraud. Right? There are people who devote their lives to analyzing elections and detecting things like Voter fraud.
And so you look at the evidence that they present, and then you look at the contrary evidence and you make a decision. Right? Who’s got a more convincing case.
Speaker 8: For somewhere else because you lost 49 states. That’s an important part of the election process. It’s not just picking the winner. It’s adding legitimacy to the government itself. And you have that when you have a landslide.
Landslide were very common up until 19 72, And since then, the only real landslide we’ve had was 19 84, we need that to purge the system. It’s not going to happen this year.
Speaker 9: Oh, well, that’s… Demo, but, hey, let’s look to 20 28. Okay? Last question just because I wanna to finish and give you a chance to talk about your industry, the polling industry because I know you’ve thought long and hard about this. But this is your opportunity to give listeners your little advice about how to look at polls.
You wrote a a great essay back in 20 20, and I’m gonna read a line from it. You said public polls act like a bartender who keeps pouring whiskey for a drunk customer. And is then surprise when the customer wreck his car on the way home. I think the point you were trying to make is polls are not a crystal ball, but is people are going through this presidential election. What would you advise them as…
Speaker 0: Yeah. So if you’re saying the polls are wrong. Alright. That’s not a good place to be. You’re you’re in denial of reality.
That doesn’t mean that the polls. Aren’t necessarily wrong. Does doesn’t it mean you’re not necessarily right. But the odds are that you’re wrong and that you’re you’re just trying to shield yourself from some unpleasant aspect of reality that you don’t wanna come to terms with but the reality is that Kamala harris has been surging. And Donald Trump has retained his voters it’s just that Kamala Harris has brought Democrats back into the ford.
So right wing, media portrayed window covering at ballot sent Nefarious Here’s what’s really happened. Alright. This is Cnn n.
Speaker 13: American should be angry. You should
Speaker 0: Come on. Mate. I’m trying to run a high quality
Speaker 13: you should be… Worried. You should be
Speaker 0: But concerned
Speaker 13: at what has happened in the election
Speaker 0: Fox news personalities is attempted to so stress about the legitimacy of the presidential election…
Speaker 13: Every American is gonna have to answer for themselves. Do you trust? What happened in this election? You believe…
Speaker 0: And the evidence is overwhelming that the vote count… Certainly for the presidency was overwhelmingly on the up and up.
Speaker 13: If this elect these election
Speaker 0: On the other hand, there were unprecedented voting changes due to Covid that would encourage regular people who are not particularly nasty, alright, to question why why? Right? We had all these voting changes. So there is a reason why there would be increased dis distress for the 20 20 election results. Right?
Aside from bad faith and Id. Because we had all these election procedure changes, and it it appeared that the Democrats pretty much got all the changes that they wanted, and they were simply more effective than Republicans at electoral voting procedure change.
Speaker 13: Results are accurate. Do you believe this was a free and fair election. I have a lot of questions.
Speaker 0: They employed Democrats are stolen the election through fraud corruption without signing evidence. Okay. This isn’t really what I won’t. Bright wing media outlet, seth portrayed move to detroit ballot, Counting centrist Nefarious, city official poured cold water on the assertion explaining the Cnn business at the measure at the center of the controversy it’s taken to ensure a private voter data wasn’t inappropriately exposed to the public. So we had reports from Pro Trump outlets such as Fox News, bright button and the gateway pun, spotlight a decision by poll workers in Detroit to partially cover windows.
Alright? The right wing reports implied that poll workers were hiding in improper activity from the public. But an attorney to the city, Detroit said the Windows were partially blocked because of concern, voter information could be wrongly revealed to the public. And you do have official electoral observers. I suspect that they were in the room.
Hundreds of challenges from both parties were inside the central counting board All afternoon, all evening dozens of reporters were in the room too. At all time people outside the center could see in through windows that were further away from counting board spaces. So when I hear the objections to the legitimacy of the 20 20 count. And then I read the… Debunk of those objections.
I always find the debunk much more persuasive. Dropbox boxes are monitored. Does that make sense? Okay. You can come out with infinite number of anecdotes Right?
You can just pour pour out things, but the more intelligent way to go is to look at the analysis of all these objections, and they just all fall apart. Right upon examination, and 1 evidence of this is that no decent lawyer would take Trump side. Because to take Trump’s side in claiming that the 20 20 election results were rigged is to deny the obvious facts on the ground that there was a 2 percent shift from Donald Trump in the suburbs, and that’s why it joe biden in won. Okay. Great.
Sub stack essay sa here by Noah call Did women in academia cause work. Alright? So what happens when you get more and more women in academia. Right? And now Occult says most of academia left.
Would shift as due to self reinforcing processes, right, social hemophilia, meaning people wanna be around people like themselves. Conservatives don’t wanna enter a profession, whether aren’t many conservatives, political typing, conservatives feel that an academic career generally speaking is not for them in the same way that many women feel a construction. Career is not for them and also discrimination, conservatives are discriminate against in hiring, research and funding. But there’s another. Possible cause of academia left with dramatic left would shift over the past 20 years and the rise of work activism, and that is the influx of women into the institution.
So why is that? Because from our survey results and psychologist corey clark points it’s out, women are consistently less supportive of free speech to than men, women are consistently more supportive of censorship. Women are more likely to say that hate speech is violence that is it’s acceptable to shut down a speaker to shout down no speaker that controversial scientific findings should be censored, that people need to be more careful about what they say. And that it should be illegal to say offensive things about minorities. Alright?
Women far more than men support all of that. Right? Women have a far greater of aversion to harm and to conflict, so they interpret various forms of speech is harmful to certain protected pet vulnerable groups and they wish to censor for that reason. So there’s probably both a genetic and environmental component. Right?
Are these gender differences cross cultural universal? Who got arnold K notes, women have a social strategy that works well for protecting their individual health and the health of their children, emphasize safety. Covert undermine the status of unrelated females and exclude rivals rather than reconcile with them. So these are 4 qualities that I have noticed in female dominated spaces. Alright Women as they move into formally male domains have made the culture of those domains more consistent with female tendencies.
Right? And among those tendencies is a greater desire to curtail speech that it regards as harmful and dangerous. So we know on average women, far less favorable free speech, far more in favor of censorship than men. Women are also disproportionately represented in grievance studies, so disciplines like gender studies and critical race theory, which tend to usually just be a vehicle for left wing activism. Right.
80 percent of bachelor degrees in ethnic gender and cultural studies are awarded to women. 65 percent of doctor degrees in cultural ethnic gender studies are awarded to women. The Now women are pouring into biomedical science, which is more rigorous than grievance studies, but biomedical science, perhaps as a result of more and more women entering that academic discipline and becoming increasingly woke. So good good essay here from Noah call. Women far more likely to support dismissal campaigns to support banning and black bowling and canceling.
They are more likely to discriminate against conservatives. They more likely to support diversity quotas for reading lists. Women overall in academia have significantly more left wing views if the share of women rises in an academic discipline, we should expect the balance of internal opinion to move in the direction of emotional safety over academic freedom. Women less pro free speech women a more pro censorship, they bought left wing in academia more inclined towards left wing activism less inclined towards dis disproportionate inquiry. And they disproportionately, represented in the outrage disciplines like race gender studies.
So this is on average, obviously not all women. And so women often complain that they given the same opportunities as men, but then when they enter difficult demanding work, they then complain that they are harmed by what’s going on.
Speaker 14: It’s been 1 of the worst years in living memory for us. Australian commercial television.
Speaker 2: The genius flow Bruce and channel 7.
Speaker 14: The Avalanche started with allegations that channel seven’s flagship current affairs program, spotlight covered the cost of 6 workers and cocaine to secure a blockbuster interview. How did you feel
Speaker 0: Right. If your boss says do whatever it takes to get the interview, then sex workers and cocaine is… And not necessarily off the table.
Speaker 14: But the generosity extended to Bruce Lea by channel 7, mortified, angry and embarrassed. But it goes much deeper. A 4 corners investigation has found the dysfunction at channel 7 is far more insidious and widespread. 2 of the people we spoke to was so…
Speaker 0: So there wouldn’t be this dysfunction. Alright. If found the the news media and Tv news in Australia, particular was still male dominated. Right? You open up a tough demanding job to women and the type of injuries that many men will accept silently, women become outraged about and I and become suicidal.
Speaker 14: Disturbed by what they witnessed. They spoke out despite being still on the 7 payroll. It is 1 of the most degrading so crushing prices you can work in.
Speaker 15: First to know every day.
Speaker 0: Look, everyone knows that Tv all smoke mirrors. We all put on a show. Has neat silver changed his analysis. Yes. Today, he moved it even more in favor of Kamala Harris.
So But underneath the surface, it can be very dark.
Speaker 14: A vicious culture encouraged by some managers.
Speaker 11: The character in the play where wants to bash your head the fuck with a cricket bat, fucking lost the towel.
Speaker 0: Right. Most people would rather work in Tv than in insurance or at Mcdonald’s. Right? This is a highly in demand job. Right?
You’ve got a lot of competition for a tiny number of jobs. This is a dying industry, journalism. Is increasingly not economically prosperous industry. Right? The economic basis for for journalism is falling aside.
And so you have to be particularly tough, to be after to make it in a dying industry. And so if you insist Trying to make it in this difficult demanding industry, you shouldn’t be surprised that it’s quite nasty. That you could go work at Mcdonald’s or be a dog walker or work a ton of easier jobs. You chose to enter a highly competitive industry.
Speaker 11: A, you can’t.
Speaker 5: Channel 7 likes to portray itself as a family. It’s a very dysfunctional family.
Speaker 14: We’ve uncovered multiple cases of discrimination, harassment and bullying. There are currently 3 legal complaints with 7.
Speaker 0: So what you often and find? In these cases, is the the the pressure and the demands of the job is simply too much for many women, particularly say in the military? Alright, women file far more demands for compensation. They’re far more likely to get hurt. In And so it used to be in a traditional society that you had tried to save women and protect them from many of the grocer parts of life.
But now in our more egalitarian age, women weren’t in on many of the… The the grocer or competitive or vicious parts of life, and then they are shocked and appalled and become suicidal, add things that men put up with and accept as simply the price for being in a highly in demand job where there’s a lot of competition, the hold a job. Right? Who would not rather work in Tv news and in a regular job.
Speaker 14: Brought by staff for discrimination in the Sydney news division alone.
Speaker 16: This is an industry that me 2 forgot. I wouldn’t just call
Speaker 5: it the second chance club.
Speaker 8: I’d call
Speaker 5: it the third fourth and fifth chance club.
Speaker 14: We’ve spoken to more than 200 people for this 4 corners investigation. The stories many tell.
Speaker 0: So now one’s putting a gun to these women’s heads and forcing them to work in Tv news. Alright? They chose to work in this industry. Right? And there’s a ton of competition for their jobs.
These jobs are difficult and demanding. Oh And yet they stay there, and then they file complaints and file lawsuits. And then they might wonder when meant they wanna hire women who are far more predisposed to file a lawsuit than just a regular bloke. Or just either put up with it or leave on his own, and not make a federal case of it.
Speaker 14: Concerning. People describe being harassed, assaulted, vicious bullied at…
Speaker 0: And this reporter is lucky. No one’s gonna actually harass her and is that what women want to become invisible? Right. Not many women over age 25 gets sexually harassed.
Speaker 14: 7 West media. Some have ended up in hospital unable to work.
Speaker 0: Some then they’re obviously not fit for that competitive difficult environment. Alright? This is this is in part rage at reality.
Speaker 14: Became this. Suicidal. The dominant emotion I’ve encountered.
Speaker 0: Okay. So if a woman in a tough demanding newsroom becomes suicidal. Is that the fault of her boss? That her fault? Right, is she…
Does she bear any responsibility for insisting on remaining at a place that’s really bad for her. I have no doubt that many competitive jobs are bad for many men and many women. Right? That there are many… Difficult situations.
There are many challenging bosses that are not for you. Right? That that there are a large number of men, and a large number of women who do not belong in certain jobs because it will be bad for them. So if you’re in a job that’s bad for you, you should get another job. That’s the the stiff up a lip masculine approach, rather than why in a complain to make a federal case out of things.
If a judge bad, you quit and you take another job.
Speaker 14: Over the past few months is fear. People are frightened about speaking out because they say they’ve seen the way that others have been…
Speaker 0: Right. This is the Abc b. This is the Australian national government sponsored broadcaster and they’re taking aim at a competitor, the channel 7 commercial network. And no. No, journalist organization gonna do this sort of reporting on themselves.
Speaker 14: Crushed.
Speaker 0: Right. And who decides what’s discrimination, what’s bullying? Well, courts decide, but it it is highly subjective. And people learn to work assist. And so we developed all these discrimination anti discrimination laws, and that encourages the type of personality that embraces victim hood.
So prior to the 19 sixties, most people did not wanna to be considered victims. But since the 19 sixties being aa victim is to become increasingly prized by large segments of the population because they could get many rewards from playing the victim hood card. Maybe we should re jig out legal system. Right do away with civil rights law and stop incentivizing the claiming of victim hood.
Speaker 14: I first
Speaker 0: And I Had apply this to conservatives too. I get… Sick of conservative w and whining that the media is out to get us it’s so tough being a conservative, IIII lose patience with that as well.
Speaker 14: Again to understand this culture at 7 7 years ago when I discovered the story of a young cadet cadet journalist from Adelaide, Amy To. Back then, Amy To family described how she had a lead.
Speaker 0: So if she was ugly, she wouldn’t get sexually harassed. If she was fat. She’d be less likely to get sexually harassed. At issues is ugly in fat, she would would’ve been less likely to have been hired. So every human trait, whether it’s beauty or ugliness.
Alright? Comes with blessings and curse.
Speaker 14: Sexual harassment by a man in her workplace.
Speaker 0: My god.
Speaker 14: Amy, can you tell me what happened at channel 7?
Speaker 0: Awful. Oh, I’m sorry.
Speaker 15: I can’t. Oh,
Speaker 14: How does that make??
Speaker 0: God. How does that make you feel?
Speaker 15: It’s frustrating. Oh, there’s a lot I could say. It’s not a nice feeling. Oh to be silenced.
Speaker 0: Oh god. Dear.
Speaker 14: Amy To can’t discuss what led to her Nda but she can talk more generally about the notion of media companies gag former employees.
Speaker 15: It is a little bit odd isn’t it that , the media is about exposing injustices and telling people stories and not shy away from it, but awful, I suppose if you look at it in that respect, Nda are there to silence people and
Speaker 0: Well, did… I I’m curious did anyone put a gun to her head and force her to sign the Nda, or was she incentivized to do it with the money, another payoffs. But for for all the problems with civil rights culture, we should be glad that we don’t live in a time when it was illegal to be ugly. Right, this is national geographic. The history behind 1 of America’s cruel laws.
For nearly a century, so called ugly laws, ban people with visible disabilities and diseases from public spaces, revealing society’s harsh standards of beauty, and the impact on those who didn’t meet them. My god, from the mid nineteenth to the mid twentieth century, ugly laws banned ugly people from public places across the United States. My god, I’m so glad we don’t live with this. Anymore. Right as cities expanded, public spaces became more crowded.
There was a growing emphasis are maintaining order and aesthetic, San Francisco was the first city to make it a crime. Any person is disease, may mutilated or in any way deformed, so to be un unlikely or a disgusting object to expose himself to public view in 18 67. This legislation quickly spill spread to other cities and states may targeting people with visible disabilities. And there are simple laws in the torah. Right?
There are certain rituals that you cannot perform as a priest if you have a visible deformity. Right? Because The the liberal perspective is, oh, let’s focus on rights, Ugly people have rights. The conservative perspective is what about the community as a whole. Right?
There there are many benefits from restricting ugly disease main people. From public thorough affairs, Right? Particularly due to them often begging and just being disruptive. Right? As part of a larger effort to regulate public behavior and enforce social norms often appearing alongside restriction on racial immigration, immigration and va.
Author of the book, the ugly laws disability in public. I I think there are probably many benefits of these laws. And I also see downsides, But I I don’t think that it’s just so obvious that these laws are are heinous. Whatever happened to Matt Dr echoes a past 40 livestream. Yeah.
I did 3 livestream streams about Matt Dr back in 20 20, And now I have new information, so I’m updating the topic. Some justified the laws as a public health measure, none the mistaken belief that seeing someone with a disability could make a healthy person sick. Is that really a mistaken belief. Right? You are improving aesthetics and very possibly public health with this kind of discrimination?
Others argued allowing disabled people to beg for money made it too easy for pretend to take advantage by faking disability, and that happens. Alright? The law seem to have be most strongly motivated by. When you’re on your way to dinner or to visit your beloved or you’re composed in your mind the last ends of the new poem that’s given you such trouble. It’s not agreeable to be confronted by some loa some vision.
Right? Maybe there should be streets where it’s appropriate for ugly people to walk on. And then other streets that have stricter aesthetic requirements. But ever happened to Bob Gucci, he died years ago. In the mid 19 tens of 35 year old Cleveland man with club hands and feet had to give up his job selling newspapers due to the law, And he struggled to support himself and his family until a local drugstore owner permitted him to sell from the shops front s, so he’d be on private rather than municipal property.
That sounds like he great solution. Alright, the obvious function of these laws was to prevent and discourage people with visible disabilities from being in public spaces, asking people for money. Well, if this is indeed the primary purpose for these laws that I think they’re great. Some of the law supporters believe that if disabled people would move from the streets into institutions, they would receive better care. I’m sure that’s often correct.
This approach only led to further marginal modernization by stripping disabled individuals of their right to self determination. And isolating them from the rest of the society. Well, does society have any vote here. Does the community have any vote here. Right?
This is the same sort of argument that keeps homeless people and crazy people polluting our streets. So if I had to choose between traditional standards of Decor and modern day, urban democratic stronghold standards, I think I’ll go with traditional standards. Ugly laws lasting impact, the loss recorded arrest to an ugly law was in 19 74, but their legacy continues to influence attitudes toward disability and the public’s sphere. Set a public ugly laws cities now have sleek, sidewalk management plans to prevent or deter acts by some people that others sync are not a good look. Yeah.
Crazy in insane criminal inclined drug addicts, alcoholic and freaks. People standing too long on public sidewalks, sleeping there, def deprecating there. Right? Yeah. I I fought maintaining public order and traditional standards.
Alright. Is what’s going on. The shocking things in Australia’s channel 7 network.
Speaker 15: Stop them from… Exposing injustices
Speaker 14: in an organization that’s supposed to be about finding the truth.
Speaker 0: Right there’s an infinite ability of human beings to come up with injustices. And I know from my work history, my mind. Is these 10:20 times more inclined to go to where I think I have been dealt an injustice than to consider how I have dealt injustices to others.
Speaker 15: Grace. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 14: Amy To is not the only person silenced by this powerful media company.
Speaker 0: Wait. To… Paradise justice sign on.
Speaker 16: The commercial news industry.
Speaker 0: Right. Now 1 signed an Nda with the gun to the head. They all chose it because there was a financial payoff in all likelihood. So so stop elevating. These women to, ace Victim was stated.
Speaker 16: Is that while they are ostensibly there to report matters of public interest.
Speaker 0: So this is, Attorney Josh Bo in 20 16, Now some website, that that published this der range right wing, un imp critique, I think of of of Jews or some hot button issue under his name. And it was just done to mess with him. He was not very happy.
Speaker 16: Try and suppress any matters of public. Right.
Speaker 0: This guy’s a left wing activist.
Speaker 16: Interest that might affect their brand adversely. And they do that through the use of Nda.
Speaker 14: Non disclosure agreements.
Speaker 16: Non disclosure agreements.
Speaker 14: We tried to speak to former 7 staff who had made complaints including being terminated while… Maternity leave, bullying and sexual harassment, and some who had just been let go in sudden red. Only to discover that 7 had signed them up to agreements that gag them forever Solicit Josh Bo is currently at…
Speaker 0: Right. So they didn’t sign these agreements without some kind of payoff. Right, this point isn’t made.
Speaker 14: Ding for numerous commercial television clients. Including from channel 7 and says Nda a common practice.
Speaker 0: Oh my god.
Speaker 16: What the Nda do is mask the reality of a a brutal workplace culture in…
Speaker 0: There are all sorts of reasons where to maintain any kind of culture in your home in your community in your church or your synagogue, you you discourage people from speaking out about awkward embarrassing things.
Speaker 16: Which women particularly are, mistreated
Speaker 0: Right. Because women are more in touch with their emotions, than men and that has many wonderful upsides and some downsides because they’re born in touch with their emotions. They are more in touch with their negative emotions as well as positive emotions, and therefore, they are more likely to complain than men.
Speaker 7: Very badly
Speaker 16: and routinely.
Speaker 14: Have you heard about people being hospitalized because… Of what’s happening to them at work? Yes. I have.
Speaker 0: How do we know that they were hospitalized because of what happened to them at work? Don’t they bear any responsibility? Are they just sheep? They just total victims They have no sense of agency. They’re just unable to take care of themselves.
If indeed, they are the very way they are presented in this Tv program that they should not be allowed to vote. Right? They should have a man in their life who takes responsibility for them. Does this Tv program presents them as incapable of taking on adult responsibilities. But they are incapable of saying no.
They are incapable of making rational adult choices And if indeed, that is true if they are incapable of the responsibilities of Adulthood road. They’re incapable with the responsibilities of having a sense of agency, then then someone should be take on a guardians ship for them.
Speaker 14: Have you heard about people being fired on maternity leave? Yes.
Speaker 0: Oh my god. But employers have interest too. But if your pregnancy, damages, your employer’s business, why should they not be allowed to fire you? Why why should employers be forced to keep on people who are terrible for their business?
Speaker 14: Have you heard about people attempting suicide or having suicidal thoughts?
Speaker 0: These sound like highly unstable people who should get some help, and it may not be the boss or or the job that is primarily responsible for their emotional distress.
Speaker 16: Unfortunately, yes.
Speaker 14: Have you heard about people being sexually harassed
Speaker 7: repeatedly.
Speaker 14: So what does this all say about these workplaces?
Speaker 16: That this is an industry that me too forgot.
Speaker 0: It’s an industry that is increasingly difficult to to maintain. It’s a dying industry. Right? Tv news like other parts of journalism. Is increasingly disappearing as a viable economic business.
And so it’s really, really tough to try to make it in this industry yet, it has glimmer and excitement. And the people who go into it, they go into it precisely because it’s more exciting than a normal job. But this comes with the price.
Speaker 14: The Tour family explained that when Amy had complained to management. About sexual harassment, 7 human resources turned on her, doing a deep.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Human resources is not there for you. Human resources are there for the employer. Human resources is not taking your side. Right human resources works in the interest of the employer.
This is an elementary common sense notion that people should understand. Right? Don’t con confined in human resources if that’s likely to damage your job prospects or you’re standing at work. Right? Don’t make a nuisance of yourself at work.
Right? If you’re gonna be a nuisance at work, you’d probably be better off finding another job or getting therapy or your appropriate 12 step program so that you can address your issues that are driving you to be a problem.
Speaker 14: It dive into Amy’s emails. And confronting her with allegations they’ve never raised before. Other human…
Speaker 0: This happens to us anyone who becomes awkward in a job. Right? The the owners that manages sick human resources of them. To find ways that firing the person becomes legal.
Speaker 14: And resources professionals who worked at 7, remember Amy’s case well and were appalled at what was done to her.
Speaker 0: And guess what, there are probably people who’ve interacted with Amy over the course of her life have been appalled by her behavior. Right she’s a human being. She has needlessly hurt other people like we all do. There are times that she’s being less than honorable. Right?
Like everyone else are being times when she’s being dishonest and there there are times when she’s being despicable. Right? Everyone in certain context. Is going to behave poorly. Right?
Nobody has just an exe record as they go through life.
Speaker 17: This was a tool. This was a widely used tool tactic an approach into…
Speaker 0: Yeah. A a tool and a tactic and approach that pretty much all businesses use. Say wake up and smell the coffee.
Speaker 17: Only. My experience working there.
Speaker 14: This former Hr worker knows of other cases where this tool was used against innocent staff.
Speaker 0: So employees often don’t wanna hire a woman who’s gonna get pregnant because it’s not in their interest. Employees often don’t wanna hire people from certain categories who, less likely to be good employees. Employers tend to want to operate in their own self interest, just like employees. But employees try to rip off their employers as much as possible. Right?
Employees try to get as much money as possible while doing as little work as possible for an employer, employers try to extract as much work as possible from employees, while paying them as little as possible.
Speaker 14: We’re interviewing her via a Zoom call. Because even speaking out anonymously is a risk. She’s seen firsthand the tactics management users. Were you when you’re at channel 7? Instructed to go through staff emails in order to be weaponized against that staff member.
Speaker 0: Look if the player wants to fire you, they will commission… A search to find a legal basis to fire you?
Speaker 14: Yes. How did you feel about doing that?
Speaker 17: In reflection and now, , having the experience I do have in my career, I feel sick to my stomach.
Speaker 0: Get guess what. Most people who have held down jobs have at times had to do things that were dis to the. Right, pretty much everyone who’s held a job has had to do things that they didn’t like. Right? There’s a reason they call it work, you’re effectively when you go to work, you’re a slave.
You you can choose your slave owner for 40 hours a week, But you you don’t get to escape the… Called reality that when you go to work, you are a slave.
Speaker 17: And I feel like it’s a gross misuse of internal policies that are intended to be there ethical reasons.
Speaker 0: These these high minded high principles. Look, most people are primarily out for themselves. This is equally as true of men as it is for women for employers, as it is for employees. Everyone can spin a subs story. Right?
I I guarantee you that there are people around this particular woman who’s speaking and the woman who’s asking the question who felt hard done by by these women. Right? Who have been taken advantage of who’ve been manipulated who been deceived who been mistreated by by these women. Right? As we go through life, we inevitably step on the toes of other people.
Speaker 17: And kind of a warp of those policies to suit again, a an orchestrated and result. God.
Speaker 0: Wake up and smell the eucalyptus as elliot platt notes. That’s it. Bye bye.