01:00 The Far Right’s New ‘Badge of Honor’, https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/06/doxxing-far-right-influencers-anonymity/678645/
03:00 Mark Lilla on left v right, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea0f_wCYW7Y
20:30 DTG on the lab leak hypothesis, https://decoding-the-gurus.captivate.fm/episode/supplementary-materials-7-lab-leak-discourse-toxic-youtube-dynamics-and-the-metaphysics-of-peppa-pig
31:00 Problematic, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=155417
37:10 10 Days That Shaped Modern Canada (w/ Aaron Hughes, author), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlcYkFZn19k
44:00 Elliott Blatt joins the show to talk about realism vs liberalism
46:00 Elliott struggles with street closures in San Francisco for a triathlon
54:10 Rethinking Narcissism: The Bad – and Surprising Good – About Feeling Special, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=129773
1:05:00 Ben Shapiro – Candace Owens feud
1:08:00 Israel’s PR problems
1:21:00 Curious Gazelle joins to talk about Destiny
1:25:00 Milo steps away from sodomy
1:31:00 Destiny and Milo are performative “relating to or of the nature of dramatic or artistic performance”
1:34:00 Destiny sticks to his principles
1:48:00 Curious Gazelle’s journey into nihilism
Speaker 0: Good day, May 40 here looking at the Atlantic magazine, the far rights new badge of honor. My god, the scary far right. Extremist influences no longer need to preserve their anonymity at all cost. So what exactly constitutes extremist. Right?
Extremist is someone far away from me and what I consider decent. But the the notion that there’s some objective meaning to this term. Is is silly when you see who they’re giving it out to. Alright? By right publish it known as Lo kept his identity private.
And for good reason, his company passage publishing has printed books from a German nationalist. So from the Atlantic perspective from Ali B perspective, Alright. Simply. So simply publishing a book by a German nationalist counts as extremist. Alright?
So typically being a nationalist counts as extremist. So simply putting simply putting your own country first, putting your people first. That count says extremist. My god. But he’s published books by anti democracy Monarch.
So that’s Curtis Y, who… I don’t get any benefit from reading. So I’m no no fan of Kurdish Y, but okay. Anti democracy, Monarch. Why isn’t Anthony Fauci, an anti democracy monarch.
But he’s he’s he’s not a mock Monarch, but he something wants king like powers during he tied the pandemic. Can… I don’t have an… Any objection to 95 percent of what Anthony Fauci said, I think he was completely in line with the scientific consensus when he said it. And in times of emergency all democracies remove rights, whether it’s a real emergency or simply a punitive emergency.
So tiring the publisher of passage publishing Lo. Right? There’s some extremist for publishing someone with anti democracy, monarchy views. It seems completely removed from reality when all democracies function by their ability to react to emergencies by taking away rights. So why is…
Yeah. Why is it the public health establishment? Why and not public health? Officers every single county in California 58 counties says a public health officer who has almost unlimited power. To take on a health emergency.
She can shut down businesses, gatherings, she has almost unlimited power And I I suspect that he would support the this power. So even democracy has plenty of anti democratic elements. But he he thinks this guy’s an extremist. This is
Speaker 1: There’s a priority of the individual to society.
Speaker 0: Right. He’s talking about the left wing liberal perspective and how it differs from the right wing perspective.
Speaker 1: The conservative. Classically presume the opposite that we come into a world that’s already formed and in coming into that world, we have…
Speaker 0: Right. So if you’re on the right and you’re authentically on the right, shouldn’t be doing a lot of complaining about the loss of your rights. Okay. Unless you’re just doing that tactically. But if you’re doing that from the core of your being, you simply don’t understand about what it means to be right way.
Speaker 1: Of obligations, and those obligations extend not only to others in the present Right.
Speaker 0: If you’re on the right, you think more about your obligations than about your rights. You think about what you owe. To something greater than yourself, a concrete community, a religious community, a kinship community a geographic community, the community of your nation, your people. Alright? You you live in service as something higher than yourself.
Alright? The left wing, Motto is follow your bliss. The right wing motto is due your duty.
Speaker 1: But to those who will come in the future. And that whatever rights, we are in endowed with come, emerge out of an understanding and traditional basis of a society and more and all the rest. So that’s a quarrel over what kind of creatures we are. Revolutionaries and reaction, their quarrel is about history and not about human nature The both revolutionaries and reaction areas believe that history that you can have a break a radical break in history. The revolutionary believes that that break is going to come and after it’s some radically improved or Utopian future is before us.
The reactionary assumes that that break has already happened, and it’s been a catastrophe. And all of his thinking derive from this assumption about about history So conservative reaction isn’t an extreme form of conservatism at all. They’re simply about different things. They bring a different political of different psychology to politics. The older where I get the less interested I I am in political philosophy and theory the more interested I’ve become in political psychology.
And this Mark lil lilly
Speaker 0: is a professor of political science. He’s on the he’s on the left. Joshua Randall says, I love you, but I hate your take these days. Thanks, Bro. Alright Loom.
Alright? And apparently, he’s published white of supremacist promoting human biodiversity a. Right? There he means to a sailor. And to call taylor white supremacists.
Right? This is obviously Ali Bree, not someone who’s interested in truth. Right? He’s a left wing essentially an Antifa for activist, and that’s who he really is. And the methods that he pursues in Service to his left wing ideals that may take on a journalist pose.
So on x where he has more than 70000 followers Loom has suggested that journalists be killed, Well, I don’t know anything about that. I suspect that’s of vast exaggeration. Praise Karl R house. Yeah. I think Carl R house did the right thing.
Killing very bad people who are trying to kill him and tweeted a homophobic explorer on at least 1 occasion. Well, The author of this piece, Ali Bree is happy to hand out slurs that are far more damaging, than homophobic slurs. Alright? Calling someone a way supremacist, Right, has far more damaging effect and it’s a slur. It’s…
Nowhere close to what Steve Sailor. Stands for. So last month, the Guardian revealed his troy Identity, Jonathan K, a former lecturer at Uc Irvine. This meat made Keep upset On x, he wrote the Guardian story was obsessive and delusional they want to harass me, they want to discredit our ideas. Yeah.
The guardians on the left? Why is this guy surprised? In a war, the other side has a voice too. Right? The other side gets to fight back.
Right? In in a culture war in a real war The other side gets a vote. And the guardians a newspaper of the left. And so, of course, they’re going to try to discredit right wing ideas. The Lo mai fans and followers joined him in the outrage.
What, there’s no reason to be outraged. Why would you think that you could be the publisher. Of, , new right wing box and not have your identity reveal. That’s that’s not do. Alright?
Someone revealing your real name is not do you. Alright. Giving out someone’s address, giving out the address where someone works. Alright? That’s do.
Alright Christopher Ru wrote that the guardian author was a human worm, even the Mafia has a greater sense of decency. Alright. This kind of cry baby. Complaining from the right is it’ll be fitting someone on the right. I would think that you’d have a more stoic and more manly approach, Right?
To be on the right wing means that you’re primarily concerned with your obligations, not your own rights. Conservative subs author wrote that Lo measures identity reveal would bring the threat of violence from antifa gh. It might. And if you’re not willing to stand up to threats, then you should remove yourself from the public square. Right.
People want to change the world. People wanna do heroic things People wanna stand up and fight for what’s right, but they don’t wanna pay any price. They don’t wanna be held accountable to have their real name revealed. Right. They want to be free from any kind of blow back.
They are outraged when, the opposition tries to discredit their ideas. Right? That’s just childish. Right? So we all want all the good things that we can get and and we want to minimize the bad things that tend to come when we get good things.
Alright? Everything we do usually comes with a a blessing and curse. But this article is onto something profound. So there’s a subtle shift that’s been playing out among anonymous far rate influences and their followers. Right?
Used to be preserve your anonymity at all cost, but now far right posted simultaneously went too incompatible things to be anonymous or not. Well, Everyone wants incompatible things. Alright, Jews want to be American Jews want to be distinctive and yet not pay any price for that distinctive. Right? Most people want to be distinctive.
Most American non jews want to be distinctive and not pay any price for that distinctive. If you place a great value on being distinctive, that will come at a great cost to your ability to 4 bonds with other people, you will be lonely, and you’ll be kept out of the loop in your community if you put more emphasis on being distinctive rather than being connected. So many people who aren’t possessing normal bonds to other people want to fill up their soul with a feeling of distinctive. I mean, I I read so books, and I do so many live streams because I’m not rich. I’m not powerful.
I’m not married and I don’t have kids, and I get a large part of my meaning in life from doing these live streams and preparing for them and reading books and and writing essays and living the life of the mind, a Right? And for many people who live the life of the mind, it’s a solace for losing it the game of life. Right, it’s a solace for losing at the game of becoming wealthy, becoming successful, becoming powerful, becoming influential, developing a family having children and being influential in the real world. And when you lose at those games, alright, And you’re intellectually inclined, you can take solace in books. The far rights fear of getting docs emerge for a reason.
Yes. It doesn’t have to be out the far right or the far left. If you’re saying anything or doing anything that’s going to be unpopular. With the people are important to you, you’re gonna pay an enormous price. Alright?
We all want to be connected to the people that we wanna connect with And we also wanna be true to ourselves. We wanna express what we think and what we feel and what we see and we wanna stand up for what we believe in. We don’t wanna pay any price. Well, if you stand up from unpopular things publicly, you’re gonna pay a price. If you have some edgy online persona, that is anonymous.
Alright, you’re very likely again, your face a day where your real name will be revealed, and you’ll have to pay the social cost of pushing out ideas that are unpopular. Right to be known as a racist makes your life harder and Why people so fear being known as a racist is that the term racist just has infinite flexible meaning. Right? It can be extended to to virtually anyone and anything. And so conservatives in particular head to fear speaking out because they don’t like being taught as racist because they know there’s no effective response.
And so conservatives… A far model to speak out at work and in public square because they know that the left has a very effective label. That’s the core racist. Now, the best rejoin in my perspective is that there’s no such thing is racism. Right?
It has absolutely no objective meaning. It’s a moral category that was invented in the past century, in particular in the last 60 years, prior to the 19 sixties, Hardly anyone ever talked about racism. Right? None of the great moral thinkers is in history had it moral category of racist a non racist. That is entirely developed by modern like same sex marriage.
Right? Prior to the last few years, there’s as no nation as no notion or practice or reverence for or celebration of same sex marriage throughout history, in any culture, Right in South America, North America, Europe, Africa, Southeast Asia, North Asia, right nobody was celebrating, observing, practicing, giving recognition to same sex marriage. Right? Is an entirely an invention, of the the last few decades. It has absolutely no resonance in history.
No precedent in history, and as someone who’s on the right, I think the time tested ways of of doing things are superior to, , new fan ways of of creating families such as same sex marriage, Okay. Getting docs is very likely to make you anxious and depressed. Right? And the ideal. Right.
And I understand there are gonna be exceptions to this ideal and I don’t live up fully to this ideal, but it’s something that I hold as a goal for myself. Is to live as though everybody knows everything. So most of my life I tried to live by trying to get away with as much as I could get away with, At home, I was a preacher kid Learned a Code switch, I’d speak at home, the way that my parents expected me to speak at home, but then as since I got away from home, Then I I talked the way that I wanted to. Alright? And then I would get turned in.
Right? Students would turn me into the teacher for saying the Swear word bloody. III don’t believe I’ve ever turned anyone in my life. And I’ve never reported anyone to a teacher, I’ve never made a complaint to Hr. I just never played this game.
Right? I don’t like the the do game. It just seems… Incredibly under handed. I’m thinking you someone close to me now.
And he told a joke to a group of his female classmates and they laughed up uproar and they wanted more of these risky jokes. So we told them more risky jokes, and they laughed and laughed. They wanted or more and more, eventually gave them, , all that he had, and they laughed. They loved it, and then they turned him into the teacher. So I don’t like this kinda cat nasty operation of personal destruction.
And not not a fan of of do, not a fan of of trying to destroy people. Right? But to be to be on the right, I would expect means that you accept reality. Right? And so if you say on popular things, you might lose contact with rent and family.
Right? You you open yourself up to unknown repercussions, and occupying the high ground of virtually every major institution gives the left and the center left tremendous power to hurt you. So you wanna be courageous you wanna fight for the right things. Well, there’s a price to be paid. Right?
Courage and changing the world and standing for what you believe in even though it’s a popular it comes with the price. Now visibility also has upsides. That visibility has up downsides visibility as ups upsides everything we do comes with a blessing in a price. So for many anonymous accounts that are being docked. Right?
They now downsides become better known. They get more followers and with more followers, they get more influence, more social connections, more professional opportunities. Right? And so often, revealing your real name comes with more benefits than curse. Right?
After you stand behind your words publicly with your real identity. You can sell subscriptions to a newsletter or to a podcast, you might land a book deal. You might get a job in the right wing media ecosystem and this happens again and again and again. But there’s no clear trajectory. Alright?
Life gets to say. Reality gets to say, and your opposition gets to say. And so there are very good reasons why people are concerned about being revealed or their anonymous edgy account that’s saying right wing things online. Right. So citing by right influence bronze a per sounds of absurd, but citing, praising the real man behind it.
Carson Ali, right? That’s that’s something different. And so the costs of getting docs have lessened. Do you remember 20 20 when we were incredibly concerned that free speech on live streams was just getting shut down. Well, now we have the development of odyssey and and bit shoot and rumble and locals dot com, and we’ve got subs.
And there are all sorts of other ways to pitch monetize the things that you’re saying and doing, and getting getting docs is is not as scary as it was, also work, is not as strong as it was in 20 20. Right? Work usually carries with it a negative connotation. Most people are not thrilled by the woke revolution. So the guy named is based Beth Jesus He’s identified then the Ai startup, he found a published a press release announcing it to close a 14000000 dollars seed funding round, featuring prominent investors.
So the Internet has changed in a way that ins inflate the far right from the severity of the repercussions that we’re hitting it in 20 18, 20 19 20 20. We’ve got discord chat servers We’ve got Patreon Groups, telegram channels, subs newsletters, right, there all sorts of ways to dodge made moderation by the major platforms. And influencers can ins themselves on the consequences of being canceled in the mainstream. Right, Bronze age Per publishes his podcast on Ga road. So subscription sites similar to Patreon of tip talk of the amassed more than 127000 subs follow us.
And Christopher Notices that outing an anonymous right wing account seems not to have the same devastating effect that it used to. Right? There’s a much stronger ecosystem out there. Right? And there’s more support, and you have more resources and more people that’ll help you deal with this kind of thing.
Alright? So, Loma, in 3 days after the Guardian story, it was published, she got 20000 new followers on x. Deal So it’s not surprising that people on the right will hyper vent like people on on the left. Right. We we all want as much as we can get, but we don’t like the consequences of what we can get.
I worked as a reporter for for many years, and I noticed people. Love nothing more than talking about themselves, and they hate nothing more than seeing their words end up in print. Alright. Duty you 2 popular demand. I come back here with a quick.
Excerpt from the latest edition of decoding the guru released June 7.
Speaker 2: Pensions last night, , ask whether I’d read his. And I was like no. Of course I haven’t read your book Mean, I know what’s in it because we’ve done we had… We don’t… We listen to you speak to them Sam Harris.
We dealt with all those things with actual experts like you said. But why would anyone readable a book by someone who was a banker. I slash journalist that his background has weird libertarian…
Speaker 0: Alright. This is talking about Matt Ridley, who wrote the book, promoting the lab leak. Hypothesis with Chan.
Speaker 2: With these has written other books saying that all the climate scientists are making stuff up. And as you reminded me Chris, famously, quite strongly implied that Aids, I think.
Speaker 3: Oh, he’s just he just considered a possibility that Ed here Hiv, there was an another origin possible. Just considered just asking questions, add this there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah, here’s alternative Universe. All of the climate colleges, there’s a shady conspiracy your foot that can’t see what’s obvious about Ridley. All the vi neurologists as a shady conspiracy of what they can’t see what’s obvious met ridley. In this alternative universe, he’s the person you should be going to to find out the slowdown on these very technical scientific subjects.
No he is not. No. He’s not Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I’ve referred to this, habit the people have of surfing the discourse. Essentially, like, when you hear anybody talk? About the lab, like or really anything with Covid, it is almost all just referencing a handful of headlines and the views of media pun. And presenting that if it represents science, as if it represents a universal experience that everybody had that, , there was a headline in S or whatever liberal, as art, and that headline.
Not even usually the articles because when you dig into the articles, they tend to include qualifying information, but the headlines themselves or individual snippets which are endlessly repeated on right wing media of a 2 line answer from Fauci in some interviews where he spent 1 hour, , going into detail about trade offs and whatnot and they say nobody discussed any trade offs. So like, there was never any reference avoid things like that. So all that anything happens on an example of this. Yeah. I usually, the people that are doing this, people like it silver, Might gl, of people write like, There’s a whole host of them.
They often don’t have relevant scientific training, so they treat science as if it’s a, , a similar sort of thing as opinion pun. Like, that is the way that they reacted with. And an example is Nicholas Christ, who is a journalist, I think also for the New york times a columnist. Quite a memorable 1, and he wrote coding A chan article. I don’t know what caused Covid 19, but I do think Helena chan makes a strong case for Lab in Wuhan.
In retrospect, many of us in the journalist and public health words were too dismissive of that possibility when she and others were making the argument in 20 20. Night matt, that’s so frustrating because maybe Nicholas Christ,
Speaker 0: Okay. I just bought a new water bottle because my run broke, and I I just realized now there was a good reason why it offered a a straw But maybe I’m putting it in wrong. Okay. I’m definitely definitely doing it wrong. Man, early 8 dollars keep chugging feeling awesome.
Don’t give up. Almost finished you did it.
Speaker 3: Was dismissive, but the public health fund scientists. Actually did investigations into the possibility. They actually wrote papers. They actually examined the possibility. In quite a lot of that.
They did take get seriously. The w who
Speaker 0: III admit. I I threw the straw out, and then I realized I okay. It’ll work much better with a straw. So thoroughly cleaned it off. Figure out how to use this water jug with a straw Yet.
Speaker 3: Sent in investigation, there was multiple efforts and ongoing efforts. To detect the origin.
Speaker 2: And they gradually came to some very definitive conclusions. And so there is a scientific reality there, I’d need the service. On top of it, is the discourse, including the mainstream and the alternative media, which is flip flop between this shock revelation. You think, , this and then
Speaker 3: gun Yes.
Speaker 2: When again, and then they make up it at all wrong and they it. And then it’s all it all makes for copy, I guess. But they make up that their discourse is the actual reality of the scientific investigations that have been going on, and it just isn’t. I very frustrating.
Speaker 3: And, Key arguments are, there was a lab and Wuhan the the diffuse project, submission. These are all things like again in that week Talked about in depth with the people over a year ago. So why this is being presented as breaking news is just that whole thing because of the way this discourse works It was in New York Times. It doesn’t matter that the arguments have already been addressed. And and many scientists, relevant experts linked to threads highlighting that.
So there we go. There we go. That’s another round of lab. This. Some people ask, , oh what do you think about this topic event?
Nothing. I already know that the chan thinks the lovely is the most likely thing She wrote a book by that? The reason conspiracy tweets constantly on Twitter. There’s not nothing new for her to say that she thinks the evidence is leaning more towards a lab. There’s some Nothing changed.
Nothing. Just the new York times covered it. That’s what Changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, which isn’t isn’t an information. It is an evidence. It’s just now you could point to a new times article. Okay.
Alright. Okay. That’s us. Being grumpy old sides men.
Speaker 3: Yes. Well, so in another corner of the Map, We we previously talked about Alex O’connor interview with jordan and Peterson, and
Speaker 0: Okay. Let me pass forward here. Little bit more as I get. You can
Speaker 3: go math through. Right? Like it’s It’s not.
Speaker 2: What’s a sort of moral basis of it, but I think the key I he does, But he he doesn’t wanna sort of own that position either because it’s… Kind of a weak position to not be a proper christian. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now I… Almost all the people that I’ve seen Wax Lyric.
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. This is Jordan Peterson. Right. I mean… It’s It is curious he does he does deserve scrutiny and mocking because is Christianity is just not recognizable to any Christian denomination.
Speaker 3: Avoid the kind of christian tradition…
Speaker 0: Right. So the… 1 of the tough things about being part of an organized religion is that your c religion can call you out if you’re not living up to the ideals or if you’re articulating something that’s completely contrary to what your religion stands for and Jordan Peterson religion is just simply unrecognizable as Christianity.
Speaker 3: And the importance to consider ritual and people really… They are missing these, , fundamental aspects in their life with that almost all of them haven’t gone up religious like, if you were re. Like, I was catholic and went them my as every week. There’s no hidden secret world of, , oh, I’ve never considered. But I’ve met religious people my whole life, people who believe in bible people who…
, they’re all going to charge. They’re all doing different things and there’s people that are in. Christian mystic or not or, , they join priest toad or the become monks or nuns, whatever these might be and it isn’t this fantastical, , mystical realm of psychological interpretations and imagery, it is just… There are people in the world that they’re religion, there are religious traditions. There’s stuff and religious traditions that is boring as, is as hell.
And a lot of it rests on supernatural claims. And have you feel like that? And and the theological claims, it just… It isn’t such a fantastical mystery that nobody’s ever considered if you are somebody that has, like been raised reused in a a culture where religion exists. So I think the part of it is a on of the people coming across this stuff leader and regarding that there’s very esoteric And, , just like, they never were aware of the beauty of the Christian tradition, and you’re like, ne Yeah.
Then alright.
Speaker 2: Well, that’s the funny you think about Russell Brand with his his his his newfound appreciation for His spiritual journey and it’s this? Exotic thing he’s embarking on. I don’t think it ever actually got to church to do any of the boring things that run of the mill Christians do. But the the journey he’s on is so epic. And Guess it’s appealing to people…
Speaker 3: I think he is going
Speaker 0: Yeah. So what are the tough things about religion? Is it how holds you accountable? Alright? You’re you’re expected to step up and to contribute to your community?
And to abide by certain code of behavior. And when people seek out spirituality is often they’re seeking out the benefits of belonging you to organize religion without paying the price, which is that you’re held accountable for your words and your deeds.
Speaker 3: It’s the church. But it just layered all… Well, I don’t know. At least he’s making an initial effort. Let’s see in 1 year’s time with like but the whole point of I is, , matt, my lack of of in Chris christianity andy is gonna documented it.
But, , 1 of the things I do recall is that you’re not really supposed to public size your career works and your, , spiritual achievements and whatnot because those people have already received the reward. On earth, , the person who gives and doesn’t make a sure of it. That’s supposed to be the thing. By Russell Brand absolutely has me the show of, , his Christian conclusion.
Speaker 2: He doesn’t had the right temperament for percent of I feel. It’s not really in his nature.
Speaker 3: Evangelical be fine. Like evangelical American side Mega charge. Right.
Speaker 0: He Nick Fu. I mean, he wraps himself in Jesus Christ, but his religion is completely unrecognizable with with any form of Christianity. He doesn’t practice Christianity. Right? If you are religious and you’re serious about it, then where do you hold yourself back?
Like, what do you abs obtain from doing that you really wanna do? Because of your religion. Like, what exactly does Nick Qui hold back on undoing because he’s such a a tread Christian. Right? He doesn’t get a church there’s nothing Christian in the way he speaks and operates.
It’s just a a pose. Such as seems to be for Russell brand and for Jordan Peterson.
Speaker 3: He bought like Church of England’s style or, Ari catholicism? No. No. Not interesting enough. So, yeah, that’s the way it is well.
And I’m like, , last thing I’ll say says, I’ve been to barcelona Right? Seeing the right media. What a beautiful, Not architectural wonder, the mind of Ga who did that. But I’ve I love shrines and temples all in Japan, and there are beautiful buildings beautiful elements of culture that come from religious traditions and and devotion analog? Do you like to of chris?
Do. But but the thing is , culture. Human culture is interesting and we can be providing and beautiful things, but it also comes through literature. It also comes around science and all these different things. So Mark know, the Krishna or religion as like, this fundamentally different thing, , that that needs to be regarded as this beautiful pearl nothing else can be Compared to it.
It’s just gets exceptional and ex and all that kind of thing mean. It doesn’t mean that you’ll have to be this kind of hard nose, reduction person saying, oh, I hear all Church Buildings and,
Speaker 2: , all those cathedrals and so on. No. No not. No.
Speaker 3: But you don’t have… The the alternative doesn’t have to be the intelligent Waffles of Peters and Nebraska like, surely. Who there there’s a another path that we can alter take. So… Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we can all agree with you today. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That’s it. Well, Matt, Another, Another thing that happened. Now, we often
Speaker 0: Okay. So I read a lot of academic essays. I read a lot of academic books. 1 of my favorite websites is Google Scholar. I wanna know the latest some greatest.
Yeah academic perspectives on things that are in the news. So I can look for something that’s that’s steeper than what’s being Offered in the the news media. So I noticed that a favorite word among academics is problematic It has to be 1 of the top 5 words. But I also noticed it’s when I asked them. Hey, when don’t you describe your hero system?
That lead you to use the word problematic. Right? They they feel insulted and they retreat into silence. And I I’ve emailed them. I’ve asked them, hey, why do you describe your hero a system that renders so much of reality problematic.
Right. So Miriam Webster. As a definition of problematic. So 1, posing a problem difficult to solve not definite or settled. So uncertain open to question or debate, but the way that I noticed problematic primarily being used by academics is having are showing attitudes such as racial prejudice or ideas that are offensive, disturbing or harmful.
So what constitutes an offensive. Idea depends entirely upon your subjective partisan here system. Right. What you find disturbing, is largely a result of your subjective partisan system. The idea that you consider harmful depend upon your Hero system.
And our hero system is something that we tend to inherit from our community, or we adopt it from the community that we join such as the academic community. So the use of the word problematic, goes hand in hand with the word racist. So I looked it up on Google en gram of viewer, Right? So that tells you what how often a word is used in published books. And so here the top and gram.
Your shows the word problematic. It didn’t start getting used until the 19 sixties, and then similarly the Google En, viewer… Shows that books didn’t use the word racist much until the 19 sixties. So racism is this made up moral category that had no popular currency until the 19 60. Somehow, all the great moral thinkers in history, prior to the 20 century had absolutely No concern about this great evil of racism.
Don’t problem problem ties super predators instead change your standards. So if academics had the strength of their convictions, and they weren’t afraid of owning up to having a subjective, partisan system just like everyone else. They just say bad. But talking about good and bad, must sound Christian to academics. So they pretend to have transcend partisan hero systems.
Is impossible You can’t live without a hero system. Some sense of what is heroic, what is great and what is terrible, which Now, academics are to admit the distress they feel when their subjective hero system has been violated. Alright. If you believe in heterosexual marriage, then you’re gonna feel some distress at the legalization celebration of same sex marriage. Right?
If you believe the military is a heterosexual institution, you’re gonna feel distress when gays are admitted and celebrated. In the military. So we all have a subjective hero system, when we all feel varying degrees of distress when reality challenges or violates our hero system And as human beings, we are primed to lash out at the more severe offenses to our hero system, but academics weren’t fight back in a way that is… Say true and raw and vulnerable lie how American conservatives lashed back when somebody des America’s flag. So academics sub their impulses to reference good evil, and instead they employ the careful language of the court here.
Cocoon in his Buffett identity. So here’s an example from 1 of my favorite academics, Aaron w hughes. He published a great book in 20 14, rethinking Jewish philosophy beyond particular and universal. So he wrote that Franz Rose Va goal is extremely problematic because it is based on a series of essential that emerge from a particular particular rhetoric. So why are essential problematic a problem.
Why are they bad? And why is rhetoric bad? Aaron w rights the j justification of judaism and philosophy is highly problematic, used as it is to serve potentially ideological or political ends. So here he is pointing out a problem in logic. Right?
This is not so much a moral objection. French Woe inaccurate understanding representation of Islam is based on his need to have a foil for his equally problematic and racially charged reading of Judaism. So here in pop problematic means that 1 should not have a racial reading of Judaism. But of course, Judaism is the culture of a very particular people In other words, there is some currency in describing Jews as a people, a nation or even a race. Strikes essential characterization of judaism the Jewish people ins scribes both with a set of highly problematic traits.
Grain grounded in racial and national politics. So having a racial politics and a nationalist politics is highly problematic according to academic Aaron and W hughes. You also writes, and Rodents, now seen as symbols for medieval and modern Jewish philosophy succeed in creating authoritarian judaism. Right? Authoritarian, problematic, even though there are plenty of circumstances, In fact, much of the world operates on authoritarian hierarchy lines.
Right? Most businesses run on hierarchy. Most employees are essentially slaves when they go to work. Right. But M hughes has criticized commodities and residence flags.
Authoritarian Judaism based on a self constructed rhetoric of authenticity, what amounts to a rather problematic rei vacation of Jewish people. So he objects to nationalism, including jewish nationalism. And he’s Right. I to suggest that such responses are not authentic precisely because authenticity is such a problematic term. 1 that is always just out of region is always constructed.
Well, all terms are just out of reach and always constructed. Right? All words, or terms are metaphors is for reality. Authenticity, no more than a hundred thousand other terms. Yet problematic, Jewish philosophy, has been and continues to be invested in manufacturing such an authentically Jewish response.
Alright. So you’re probably wondering who it is this Aaron W Hughes. He’s got a new book out cord. Well, came out 2 years ago. 10 days that shaped Modern Canada.
Speaker 4: And I just have always loved Canadian history, and I’m proud of Canadian history. I’m proud to be Canadian. And I really think these are stories that that people need need to know, not just historically, but also, every single date that’s in there influences us. So I… Any anytime you pick up a paper.
You should be able to… Based on any headline, should be able to go back to 1 of these, 1 1 of these these formative days.
Speaker 5: I gotta give you to hang on for a second while we take a quick commercial break. Right not school system.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No. It’s it’s it’s very painful. And I I think that’s
Speaker 0: so he’s talking here about the Canadian school system and the allegations of abuse against native Canadians, the Canadian Indians.
Speaker 4: So even of the of the 10 days, I try to make the argument that not all the 10 days are the same. So we can point to some days like 12/06/1989 when we had the massacre, the c technique, in Montreal. We know what happened, and then we know what happened because of it, in terms of of gun control and those kinds of things And then there’s other dates, like the… Like, the the re release of the truth and reconciliation commit commission, the the executive summary. And I was tried to make the point there that we don’t know what’s gonna happen because of that date.
I mean, we can either we can either say we can acknowledge it and say, yeah, this happened. And then we can move on as as as if and just sort of sweep it under the carpet, or I think if we have if we’re gonna be true ourselves as Canadians, no matter where new Canadians so old Canadians, whatever you wanna call help, we really have to wrestle with the residential school system and with our with our with our… I think, really poor treatment of our our indigenous populations, I mean, there’s another date that I also say is… Could be symbolic, but hopefully, it will be more than that. And the final chapter is the date on which the…
The new 10 dollar bill with Fellow Desmond was was was released. And again, that’s an attempt to… I I love the the note with it… To sort in in long. And Don’t know how we have her picture in the on the on the front, in addition to parts of the charter of rights and Freedoms, to We have to decide what what are we gonna do because of that.
I mean, it it’s not clear. So the the these dates, the the future of some of these dates still has to be written. And III hope we’ll write them positively, and it won’t just be symbolic.
Speaker 5: It’s Well, going back to the release of the executive summary on the Truth and reconciliation Commission, I think that if we take a look at the way that… Attitudes are changing. , since then we… Well, in in conjunction with that, we had the Supreme Court decision known as si nicotine, which established a, standard of of of owner ship for first nations that didn’t exist before. Since then, the federal government and and the provincial government in British Columbia I’ve introduced the right the principles of Un drip, something that, some people say we don’t need because we already had Bill 35, but What we’re…
What I see happening as a result of this is that there’s this move to say, we’re not gonna have 2 separate societies in Canada. And maybe that fits in…
Speaker 0: Okay. So it’s nice to say we’re not gonna have 2 separate societies in Canada, but what happens when you have different people who have different gifts? Type people pro wanna to hang out with people like themselves. And the more diversity you have, the more… Disruption, you’re going to have to your society.
The more you’re gonna find that people prefer to hang out out with just their group, and they will steadily withdraw from the public square. But these guys have the that with all this diversity that out of out of the many can come, , 1 strong Canadian
Speaker 5: , you point out that the introduction of the multicultural act was… Fundamentally important to the nature of Canada.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No. I I agree. And I I guess I should make. Almost preface the whole book.
I… Maybe I should preface the whole interview by saying. I’ve… I’d love Canada, and I believe in Canada. I I Canada is not perfect.
Far from it, but I’ve lived in many countries over the past 50 years, and I damn well can’t think of a better experiment than the Canadian experiment with its ability to include people. Does that I mean, all Canadians are inclusive no, of course, not. We… We’ve seen this recently with, , various protests. But I think that there isn’t a…
An an an awareness.
Speaker 0: It’d be great have a conversation between Lip and this man. So Lap so a regular here. He he’s not such a a fan of of Canada. Whoa whoa, whoa whoa. So What the heck?
What what’s what’s going on here in in Canada. Oh, it’s the evening commute. But Canada just has massive amount of immigration. Quality of life has been steadily destroyed. And maybe maybe the new multicultural Canada is that Problematic.
Speaker 4: Before again, it was always a applied to it, it was lip service there’s 3 founding peoples in Canada, French, English and indigenous. Of course, the indigenous were always left out of those conversations. I think increasingly now, they’re being brought, In. And I think it’s I think it’s so important. IIII mean, it’s…
To me, it’s it’s it’s it’s so… Our our treatment of indigenous populations is very upsetting to me. As I think it should be to most… White or non indigenous Canadians. So III mean, I don’t think that book are kind bring conversation.
Come But I do think black
Speaker 0: that back to the show. Elliot. What’s going on, Bro? Canada? Hail Canada, bro.
Hail Canada.
Speaker 6: Can you hear me?
Speaker 0: Yes. I can hear you, bro. And soon the people over in Afghanistan will hear you too.
Speaker 6: Yes. What great days those were. Hey. Was I watching your stream? I saw Mir Sc where Me farmer was saying that realism actually leads to compassion and where liberal leads to authoritarianism, this.
Speaker 0: Yeah. In in a sense that realist don’t feel the need to change other people. They don’t feel the need to convert the world to liberal and if liberals are going to succeed in making more and more countries liberal, they’re gonna have to do it with authoritarianism.
Speaker 6: Yeah. And then the reverse that realism realist… I I forgot how we put it, but he sends that that realism ultimately Are the more benign forces the more compassionate force in the…
Speaker 0: Right because they accept people as they are. And Don’t need to transform them ideological.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I thought that was a really interesting insight. I I hadn’t thought of.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That there’s something in liberal that that that naturally imp people to these world transforming projects. And and and liberal has driven the you, United States and other other nations to try to, , change the the culture of Afghanistan and change the culture of Iraq. And and then if they had any success looking to change the culture of Iran and Syria, but doesn’t work. It just turns into a disaster.
Speaker 6: Yeah. And, like, liberals… Let is always sort of at war with human nature. It just thinks that it can be overcome and transformed given enough reason. Right?
Speaker 0: Yes. Correct.
Speaker 6: And their a job they’re for to increase you of wreath
Speaker 0: Yes. Get get people to re rep refresh their instincts and and substitute for them, the, , the higher, , more reasonable, liberal left approach.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. Very very… It was a very concise formulation data. I enjoyed it.
Anyway, So I I got a little new report here.
Speaker 0: Yes, sir.
Speaker 6: And it brings up a little question. So… So every year, there’s a race. There’s a foot race. Yeah.
It’s extra triathlon that goes on in citi. And they close both sides of the street. Right?
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 6: So that you can’t park for 24 hours on either side of the street.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 6: And so and this takes place on Sunday. So the rules are they close the street at 2AM, Sunday evening. So the wee hours of the morning to noon the following day. Right? And so they post fifth the street.
So… And this is done on the entire 15 years that I lived in this apartment. And it’s become a sort of annual ritual and everybody knows, , the rules of the game and everybody plays accordingly that you need to move your car, on Saturday so that the race can take place. On Sunday. Right?
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 6: And so, but this year, there have been a few that post these sides along both sides of the street. Every hundred feet or so. But somebody made made a mistake, and some of the signs were printed June eighth every at 2AM instead of June ninth at 2AM. Right. So some of the signs had June eighth some of them said Chu night is a hard to understand.
But basically, what meant was that at Friday night, meaning 2AM, Saturday morning, a full 24 hours before the race began. If your car was on the street, it would be to.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 6: Right? According to some of the science, but not according to other signs. So there was, like, 2 regimes in place at the same time. 2 parking governments
Speaker 0: 2 Yes.
Speaker 6: Set rules. Yeah. In place, simultaneous, So at any moment, you could be both compliance and not in compliance of the law. Now, guess who was not in compliance according to the law. You.
Me, Luke. Me.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 6: I I woke up Saturday morning, went out to find my car. And I had this whole itinerary plan for the day, and I was, , eagerly anticipating my little , series of errands I was gonna run. When I go out to where my car is theoretically it’s going to be. The same place I left a pretty. And it’s gone.
There’s just empty space as far as the eye I can see. My car has been towed.
Speaker 0: Oh, that’s the worst feeling That’s. And suddenly happened to me once or twice and I hate it.
Speaker 6: Had that feels. Do ? It’s not it’s not a pain that you can really describe with poetry.
Speaker 0: It’s devastating. Yeah.
Speaker 6: It it goes to, like, it goes to the core of your spine. You can’t shake it off. You’re just sitting there. With this thermal nuclear explosion just c through your pie. Right?
This pain pain. It’s not merely emotional pain. It’s literally physical pain that hurts your body. And And so and so I start feeling this intense pain. Right?
And I’m like, I gotta do something. I’ve literally physically came up Stan Spain. I’ve been sick for 3 weeks. And now this, , it’s just 1 thing after another. I’m just purely…
I’m just not prepared for this now. Not now. You can’t do this to fucking me now. Right? Yeah.
It’s a it’s so I’m feeling all this pain and then I said waste second. If you continue to feel this, you’re gonna hurt yourself. You’re gonna get sick. You’re gonna do you’re gonna damage your body. Not merely your soul, you’re gonna damage.
Not your emotions, you’re gonna damage your body If you just keep feeling this. Yeah. And so I said, I just threw on this sort of super ego, and I just said, accept this. And deal with it. Stop feeling this.
You’re just retain control. Have you ever done this?
Speaker 0: Yeah. III mean, III don’t use that direct approach. I would use in, , in a week, , gonna be thinking about this, , in the great scheme of the things. This is this is minor. That’s how I would approach.
Speaker 6: Well, that’s exactly right. That’s sort of the push I said.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 6: In the bigger scheme of things, this is nothing you’re not gonna remember it. Yeah. And you can go to that place now. You can just write this off. You can.
And send this utterly painful moment. ? Yes. And so I don’t know. I did that.
I sort of… I did like, as a sort of clinton s compartment commercialization. Or decided not to feel what was truly legitimate feelings of age And then so so I bring all of this up to say, I feel like that’s what everybody’s doing now. Visa vis sort of immigration type of atrocities.
Speaker 0: Yeah. A crime.
Speaker 6: Or crime. They just compartment it. They just… Because the pain is too great. Yeah.
Take on directly without feeling a lot of really intense feel pain painful feelings, they bog it up and compartment eyes, and then they sort of slowly vent ventured out on Twitter forms of Sarcasm.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Or out to friends and I mean, 1 1 could have… 1 could have a not very nice aspect to one’s job. Right? That…
That’s very very common. And you don’t wanna be there thinking about that when when you’re… Out of out of your your job. Like, when you’re done with the job for the day, you don’t wanna be thinking about how you’re , some part of your job or overall your job sucks. So, yeah.
I I mean, I prefer to focus on the things that I have, some control over, but I don’t like to hang out in those feelings of rage or imp or or to spend excessive amounts of time, d crying those things over which Have no control.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. And this is a lesson that’s really taking me a long time to learn. ? I guess this is maturity.
, because this particular. Like, cultivating this attitude, and just, , life sucks, and then you die or, , just accept, what you have no control over, the the Lord’s prayer or whatever it is it gets you through. But it’s such a necessary component. Of deaf life.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You don’t like, you you don’t want… You don’t have a whole bunch of things. That you have no influence over, and if there are a whole bunch of things that you have a no influence over, you don’t wanna be spending your spare time means thinking about them to a great extent.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Okay. Well, I just wanna reflect on that. Item number 2.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 6: Na.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 6: So 10 na. Be healed.
Speaker 0: Yes. For some people.
Speaker 6: Now which of the 2 is a more effective mode of addressing na system. Traditional therapy or 12 step?
Speaker 0: Well, the the dominant psychological… Approach is that that nothing will cure an nasa. So so the the normal therapeutic psychological approach is that therapy is not to cure na system. So therapy says that therapy is not in a cure na system.
Speaker 6: Okay. So it… So there is no sort of programmed course.
Speaker 0: Right. There’s no cure is kinda the the… Dominant mainstream approach in in the water psychology.
Speaker 6: So it’s a spiritual condition not an the logical condition?
Speaker 0: No. No… It’s a psychological condition, but the there’s certainly a large… Strand of the psychological world that says that there’s no cure for it.
Speaker 6: Okay. Now do you believe that is extra for it?
Speaker 0: I think there is for some people. I I think that they can be moved, say from an… From a 7 to a 5 and even to a 4 or even possibly to a 3. Yeah. And I believe that I’ve moved.
I believe that I’ve moved. I believe that I’m less narcissistic than 5 years ago or 10 years ago?
Speaker 6: No. Do you believe that… I you need to be capable of a, recognizing na, and then b recognizing na as being undesirable and wanting exchange. Right? Wanting to…
Where do you think the ability comes from? Is it from a a religious tradition or is it Just so much pain has been inflicted upon you because of your that you you expect.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I think that it doesn’t primarily come from a direct approach. So it doesn’t primarily come from , lining up how much na was hurting you and then striving to do better. It comes from some kind of interchange. And that inner interchange may because you develop some clients of friendships or a relationship or you see a model of how to conduct yourself.
So for example, if you’re under stress like you’re under stressed when your your car was towed? You’re gonna be much more predisposed to to na as a form of solace. If if you have… Directions in that way. But if you can create a life that is less strain, less tense, , less vulnerable, then you’ll have less of a need to reach for the for the reflex of of the the comfort of of na.
So I think as you develop connection to other people, then the na system starts to drop away because you don’t need that adaptation, you don’t need to reach for that tool if you’re not in distress. Like, na comes out when you’re in distress and you need to hide it and sq. But if you can develop a way of living that’s effective, you’re gonna feel less distress, and therefore, feel less inclined to reach for the m adaptive tool of na.
Speaker 6: So is is no system sort of a reaction to feeling that you’re Survival is threatened.
Speaker 0: It’s it it’s almost always a state rather than a condition. And so that there are situate meaning it is situational. Overwhelmingly for people, Na is situational. And so you may have someone who is particularly narcissistic at work. But when he comes home around his his wife and kids that it’s considerably diminishes.
So when when people are are in a situation that does not conducive to narcissistic display, they’re going to be less narcissistic. So if people are able to to shift their situations or shift their dispositions so that they’re they’re less needy for for that for that narcissistic comfort, then they’re they’re going to reach for it less. I forgot your your question or your challenge.
Speaker 6: Well, is it… I was asking if it were tied to 1 sense of survival being threatened, Like, this sort of… I had this insight and it’s very articulate, but mh. People develop… Survival skills or survival modes.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 6: Right. And you’re… It’s sort of like a real sort of primary drive.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 6: And the behaviors that you did when you were young or an infant. That you did which you felt preserved your survival is what everybody sort of reg true. Yeah. They’re under stress where they feel that their survival is threatened.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I
Speaker 6: mean, I’m not a psychologist, but it was sort of it was sort of a a connecting piece. That IIII landed upon. And I did so after having dealt with… Very, very peculiar narcissist episode by a mutual acquaintance of ours. And I I just It’s just learn it’s a land response.
Speaker 0: And if if the rewards of it. Diminish and the price of it gets higher. You you’re gonna turn to it less. Like it gets stronger or weaker depending on circumstances. So it’s way to bury emotions like fierce sadness, loneliness and shame, because you don’t like those emotions, and so the the more intense those emotions, way the more you need, you’ve you found it useful to shield yourself from the with the belief that you’re special.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. And that’s why. I’m trying to figure out what to do with this particular relationship because I feel like I’m sort of indirectly. Contributing to a pathology, that this narcissist is demonstrating and III was never…
, it was something that I sort of fell into you accidentally. And I’m trying to figure out and how to put distance on this. I because it’s it’s actually creating noise pain in my life. So anyway.
Speaker 0: Right. So so, couple of thoughts, when you’re in survival mode that essentially enables you to do anything. And so I live much of my life in survival mode, it makes you incredibly flexible in your ethics because, hey, , I’m in survival mode. So from from age 22 to about age 42. I was dominant in survival mode And, , some of that time I was living out of my car.
And so people in survival mode are incredibly flexible in their ethics, and they’re they’re very dangerous to you. And then as for people who may not be good for you. I’m usually not a fan of, like, just cutting people off completely, but you can turn people down. That you can reduce the amount of time you interact with them. You can reduce the intensity with which you interact with them You can change your interactions from real life.
To something more distant like a phone call. So proximity, frequency, intensity, duration. Right? You can turn people up or down in your life. By f with those knobs.
Speaker 6: Yeah. It’s funny because the close for you let people to you by and more they can hurt you.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And a lot of people are fine when you keep them at Arm length.
Speaker 6: Yeah. And I I feel this person person is trying to get closer than I feel is safe. Inappropriate.
Speaker 0: Right. So you have to put some distance because you’ve got a history of allowing… Of trying to help a lot of people who got too close you and we’re not good for you.
Speaker 6: Yes. Yes. Yes. And I… And I I feel like the thing is it’s like…
This is where the religion question is. It’s like, I feel like I was acting out of… Pure ish religious motives and, like, , you want to your ego listeners is celebrated in in religious traditions. Right? You want to be able to…
, sacrifice yourself to a degree to the dentist of the group. And this is the type of this is the type of thing that I would wrestle with. And I think you would come back to me and say that, well, that may be true, but there’s sort of a psychological drive. In me that’s actually…
Speaker 0: Yeah. It’s a learn response. You’re demonstrating a learn response of getting you this predator prey game where you’re the you’re the prey and you get high from rescuing people. And the the high that you get from rescuing people is just as pathological is the high that people get from manipulating others into rescuing them, and it’s it’s not not good for you.
Speaker 6: No. No. They isn’t. Okay. So new topic.
It seems like the tribe of Abraham is having a lot of Vr bravo
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 6: Was would that be a fair?
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 6: I’ve never seen things quick. Quite just bad. I don’t know. It’s causing me a little bit of stress, I guess. And particularly Jim Ben shapiro, bench shapiro seems to be APR disaster right now.
You’ve been following any of this?
Speaker 0: No. I haven’t followed Ben shapiro. So I have no idea what’s going on with ben shapiro.
Speaker 6: Well, he fired Candace Owens recently.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I remember that.
Speaker 6: And she’s is kinda spilling the beans in different ways.
Speaker 0: Oh, really? Oh, that’s.
Speaker 6: But she’s doing it in a way. She’s also under a legal agreement so she’s…
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 6: She has to wake walk a tape Ty. And this and… This itself has become sort of a lot of, , a source of a lot of a on Twitter. And it’s an amusing Internet sub supply that I I’ve been sort of clue into, and I don’t know if you’ve been picking up on some of this. No.
Speaker 0: No. I haven’t piloted at all, but just to set the stage people who don’t know who these 2 people are. Ben shapiro is a frequently nasty person who has a very du message, which is that , he just loves to debate anyone, but he he won’t debate any serious thinker on the left or or even the essential left, so he puts out a d message, and he tends to be pretty nasty guy. And Candace Owens is, completely, , back crazy at times and incredibly brave at times. She’s just she’s just all over the place while Ben is as predictable as big Ben.
Is that fair?
Speaker 6: That’s very fair. And it’s now… I don’t know. It it’s creating this ticket of confusion, and it’s getting a lot of anti so a lot of fodder and I don’t know. Do you think Ben will ever be shown the door?
Is Ben Shapiro good for the Jews, Luke? That’s what I wanna know.
Speaker 0: Well, he’s not complicated. He just speaks very rapidly with the most… Conservative talking points possible even if he doesn’t know anything. And he’s Yeah. He’s not complicated.
He’s just pumping out conservative perspectives in accordance with Orthodox judaism in a way that is shallow and d and but I I don’t see where he’s any any worse than anyone else in his genre. He’s not… Okay. He’s not likable. Right?
If you don’t share his views. He’s not likable. So there are a lot of people, for example, who don’t agree with anything I’m saying, but they find me likable. And Right. There are there are a lot of other comment who you don’t necessarily agree with much that they say, but you find them likable.
Ben shapiro is not likable.
Speaker 6: No. And so that flows into the last point of this this call. You have advanced the notion. You were probably among a minority of jews who believe that it would be best for Jews and Israel, if the Us were to cut ties. And seems like a really minority positioning in the very…
If anyone… If not you would articulate this, they’re are going to be called anti semitic. And how many people do you think believe as you’d… What percentage appears do you think believes you?
Speaker 0: Oh, maybe 5 percent, and it’s not so much I want Us to cut ties. I just want… I think the Us should stop subs Israel. You guys should have a normal self interested relationship with Israel as it does with New Zealand. Right?
I’d like the United States to have the same relationship with Israel that it does with New Zealand. Unless there there are circumstances in all particular situations that would merit something differently, but I I just fail to see why it’s in America’s best interest to be so deeply and entangled. III don’t see why Israel deserves to be subsidized. Israel should. Is perfectly capable all of paying its own way.
And so I’d say, 5 percent of American jews, meaning of those who care deeply about Israel So I can’t deeply about Israel. So probably on a third of American Jews can’t deeply about Israel, a third care, mildly and a third don’t care at all. So among those who care deeply about Israel, I’d say probably 5 percent, maybe 10 percent would support the cessation of American subsidies to Israel.
Speaker 6: Okay. It’s interesting. So I didn’t know it was quite so low, but, I just would like to be able to have a thoughtful conversation about this. And it seems like, it’s it’s impossible because accusations are ready to be hurdle if any, , as soon as you start devi from the line, you get treated to a lot of, , barrage of I forget to… What’s it?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. There’s
Speaker 6: there’s a But raj Yeah. A program. And it just… So anyway, I just trying to navigate to get all this, Luke.
Speaker 0: Need But it’s tough because if… You you wanna fit it with people who care passionately about Israel, then then taking the stand well, remove that entire community, , that entire community will be against you. And on the other hand, you’re not gonna feel at high with the people who load this or Hell either. So…
Speaker 6: No. I mean, I have absolutely loading for the sort of pe tart protesters. Yeah. Cisco, and I don’t want to be grouped with them in any sense the word. But, , I I do have sympathy for people who are frustrated by the…
Extent to which the fates in israel early, the United States have been intertwined. So… Anyway, just…
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah is Israel lobby definitely has a profound effect on on our system of governance, not not in… A completely unprecedented way because all sorts it’s of special interests have huge influence over our political process. It’s how our political process is designed and is operated and is always operated. Just that the Israel lobby is very effective at what they do.
So I think there are things that can be learned from it, but I don’t see it as being in America’s best interest.
Speaker 6: But it’s this effectiveness that… Become sort of a Double edged sword because it’s also been the source of a lot of.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah Yeah. There’s gonna be a price to pay. It’s , Was gonna be it’s gonna be a whirlwind. Yes.
Speaker 6: And it’s, like, when it all nets out, , does Apa pack really health or hurt?
Speaker 0: It’s it it’s a a big question. It’s not an easy question because you can make a a fairly strong case that there would not be in Israel without America’s subsidies and disproportionate relationship with Israel.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Well, I think I got got it off my chest.
Speaker 0: Okay. How are you feeling, bro?
Speaker 6: , I sound worse than I am, but it’s like this is last bit that won’t yield. It’s really annoying. We’re gonna pray
Speaker 0: for you, Bro. We’re gonna pray for you.
Speaker 6: But my voice, it’s the ice it really got deep and it creating this, speaking problem. And it’s the It’s well over, , It’s well, it’s 1 out of welcome, Luke, and. I think tomorrow’s today.
Speaker 0: Okay. Both some press. Take care,
Speaker 6: brian. Alright.
Speaker 0: Okay. I wanna play a bit more from Aaron Hughes who is Lip favorite
Speaker 4: tell the story of modern Canada. Without including those who have traditionally been excluded I e the indigenous. Just like we can’t tell it without taking into consideration, voices of alien nation and quebec. Are very very valid voices of alien nation. We can’t tell the story of modern Canada without talking about the the voices of alien nation in the West, which which are also very valid voices.
So how how does 1 create this sort of inclusive Canada? And and III think we can do it, But I think we have to have people that believe in the Canadian experiment. And and
Speaker 0: So remember with creating an inclusive candidate at an inclusive orthodox judaism means watering down and retract. Many traditional practices and and beliefs and forms of identity. So it’s not like you just create an inclusive canada, for an inclusive orthodox judaism, an inclusive orthodox Judaism is no longer Judaism orthodox Judaism. An inclusive judaism is no longer orthodox judaism. It is something else completely, an inclusive Canada is no longer Canada.
Ox as it was up until the 19 seventies. It’s no longer a Canada. It’s a completely different beast. And so people on the left, like Aaron Hughes, they talk as though extending rights and creating more inc comes without paying a price. But what you’re doing is destroying people’s social cohesion, social trust people’s sense of ease and and feeling as though they’re they’re at home.
And so it’s a lot easier for highly intelligent. Like this guy is brilliant. We’re talking like 01:60 iq. It’s very as much easier for for the brilliant to navigate. A highly diverse Canada compared to the vast majority of people who have Iq around 100.
Speaker 4: I think if if if anything then in the chapter multi multicultural, the chapter on on the charter.
Speaker 0: So means you’ve destroyed the distinctive identity of Canada. You have destroyed social cohesion and social trust. Right you have destroyed the historic canada. You destroyed the traditional inhabitants of Canada. And remove their sense of safety in the world, you are destroying their hero system.
Right, You are destroying what they regard as heroic and good and true and beautiful. And and replacing it with something that is horrific for them.
Speaker 4: Or the chapter on viola of desmond, all of these try to show what a great and inclusive country we can become if we
Speaker 0: So why do Orthodox jews, , enjoy each other’s company and feel at ease with each other because you’re with people who subscribe to a highly restriction unique, highly demanding way of life. And if you start becoming more inclusive, Right, you destroy the safety and trust and cohesion, and the whole beauty of the system.
Speaker 4: Continue on this path and not enter down the path of identity politics and
Speaker 0: Identity politics. He can’t live without a hero system, and hero system is… Can also be called identity politics. Right? It’s absolutely essential to to the way a normal human being operates is to have an identity.
And tarnish his identity destroying his identity in the name of inc, you’re doing great harm to people with 1 type of identity, Alright? People who believe that marriage between a man and a woman. Right? Their sense of themselves is harmed when you leg and praise same sex marriage. Right?
That is a horror for people who believe that marriage is as it’s always been just between a man and a woman.
Speaker 4: And and and a exclusionary, baby being exclusive about of others.
Speaker 0: You cannot have any type of civilization without exclusion. Right? Do you love your spouse Right? If you have a satisfying relationship with your spouse is because you’ve agreed on a contract where you exclude other people from from having sex with you and and your spouse. Right?
You you’ve established a particular home that excludes other people except for those times when you selectively invite some people. Right, without exclusivity, Right, Your your marriage and your family, and your family home will be destroyed.
Speaker 5: Pension benefits under the old age security. Even though that that they lost, it did pave the way.
Speaker 0: Talking about here, the the battle same sex axis
Speaker 5: on the the Battle 4. Same sex access to spousal, pension benefits under the old age security, Act. Even though that that they lost, it did pave the way to same sex marriages. And what does that say about how these days that you have pointed out influence change that may take time to unfold.
Speaker 0: And so this change, right? It comes with benefits to some people and harm to others. Right? Those who hold to a traditional understanding of community and marriage and family are harmed by these changes. Right?
When you have a hero system, you feel harmed when your hero system is des. Okay. Hey. We got curious Gaze. Long time, no speak.
Curious. How are you? Okay. Curious. What’s going on?
Good
Speaker 7: Can you hear me?
Speaker 0: Hi. Sure can. I’m good to hear from you.
Speaker 7: I’m just… Do what? I’ve I’ve just downloaded the stream as an app, so I’m gonna log on to that, and then I’ll rejoin.
Speaker 0: Okay. Great. So… But you just loud clear.
Speaker 7: Via my browser right now. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Come cool. Come come come back here. Sounds good.
Speaker 5: But it ignites the process.
Speaker 4: Exactly it. And I I think even even E V canada on 05/25/1995 only makes sense in light of the penetration of the constitution and the enactment of the charter of rights and freedoms as a constitutional bill of rights as opposed to an un
Speaker 0: And and when you add rights, right, the left talks about as as though you’re just creating and adding, but you’re also subtracting. Right? When you pass civil rights laws, you are diminishing original understanding of private property and freedom of association. Alright. You are reducing social trust and social cohesion when you force people to employ people that they don’t wanna employ to rent to people that they don’t wanna rent to when you remove the the safety that comes with having a homogeneous cohesive neighborhood.
Right? You’re you’re wreak great harm on some people, and creating benefits to others. Right? It’s it’s somewhat 0 sum.
Speaker 4: Constitutional bill of rights, which we had before that. And I mean, given the charter and its protection of human freedoms, when the when the E Canada came before the Supreme Court, even though this the court ruled against them, every single 1 of the 9 judges agreed that sexual orientation had to be a, protected ground, And because of that, I mean, within 2 years or within 3 years, we have same sex marriage. The same thing, you can talk about, and I can talk about abortion and and and Henry Moore.
Speaker 0: Okay. So when you make abortion legal, right? You are adding rights to those who want to be able out to abort, You are taking away rights from everybody else. Right? Taking away rights from those who believe up that the un onboard have some rights.
Right Taking weight rights from the un board, you’re taking away rights from those who believe that the am born have rights and your take away rights from the father of the un born baby. So if you say that abortion is a woman’s decision alone. Right, You are increasing her rights. At the price of the rights of the un, the rights of the father, and in the rights of a society or anyone who cares about the san of the un. So it’s not like you just add rights to an abortion and that there’s no price paid.
Speaker 4: Morgan taller, but again, prior to the enactment of the of the of the charter of rights and freedoms, he could be hall before the courts. Afterwards, no, because a woman’s right to that protections are are are are, a protected ground in the in the constitution. So Again, all those it goes, then they’re they’re not…
Speaker 7: I, nothing much. It’s quite late over here. It’s nearly 3AM, but I couldn’t sleep. I was wondering, have you completed decoding destiny because I think you how you sixth part or something like that recently.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I believe I have… I mean, I did 4 parts, and then I I listened to a live stream of his. Simultaneously as it being lie for the first time. And and I I thought I thought I’d might spend more time on destiny But then just a little bit extra of his content.
I I consumed. It was so much about his feud with Hassan Pike or this person in that person. And I I just lost interest. But he may spark my interest in the future, but for
Speaker 7: now, I’ve lost interest. So what happens when you lose interest in people? Do you not wish to continue streaming about them?
Speaker 0: Right. I just move on to other topics. So, I mean, I’ve got, like, 20 topics notes on about 20 different topics that I want to get into. So for example, I I wanted to do today’s stream primarily about the academic use of the word problematic and how academics love saying that this and that is problematic and what does that mean? And why do academics love that word.
But then just before I started the show, I saw this article on how the the right wing is reacting to do and how it’s a little different than how people on the right reacted to deduct a few years ago and Thought, oh, okay. I’ll start with that, and then I will go to the use of the term problematic. So there are so many things to talk about and Destiny feud just not interesting to me. Or people’s views in in general. I’m not invested in Ben shapiro feud with Candace Owens.
I… I’m not really… Interested. But, I mean, I… If Destiny says something interesting, then and it comes to my attention, I I might talk about it.
Speaker 7: So so how many parts have you done then? Because I think I’m… I did roman and numerals wrong there. That’s what we I them.
Speaker 0: There there were some problems in some of the rem numerals on on some shows what exactly accurate, But I did do 4, and the fourth 1 should have the links to the previous 3. So do you have thoughts on destiny, the streamer?
Speaker 7: No. Because I didn’t really consume any of his content. Like, he doesn’t inspire me to go and listen to him. I mean, for I’m just thinking about it, Like, in terms of the decision I make in my head, it’s like, if I’m listening to a sort of atheist Youtuber or content creators. I might as all just listen to Sam Harris.
It’s much clearer and posted such a sort of wide, expansive range of chalk topics.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I guess another thing happened as I said, cutting Desi. I I realized that that his popularity was largely based on this hypo. Flamboyant language, like like Xi, that I just tire of fairly quickly. So I I take my yam after street to Destiny for for being very smart and probably the best at the the activity of live streaming.
He he he he creates a compelling show. He’s a he’s a pro at, but this
Speaker 7: I did I did what his…
Speaker 0: Yeah. Stuff just turns me off, gets me bored.
Speaker 7: M. So, like, is he… Is he hyper bullet in streams or more?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, he’s always using this this dramatic, overstate that But, yeah. I it pisses me off. I understand it’s attention grabbing, and and, , I I understand that it is very effective. Alright.
But it’s… It just it just kills my enthusiasm. So here’s an analogy. What I do… When I cut a short and it’s about how Donald Trump’s going to win or how Donald Trump is doing well.
There’s an enormous audience for that. Right. I can get 10000 views for for a short where I talk about something positive about Donald Trump. And and so you see, look people like tim pool or whatever they go where the audience wants them to go. And and Destiny, that’s what goes where the audience wants him to go in the sense of making these, it really, colorful hyper exaggerated, , feud attitudes towards the the news of the day, and it’s just it just strikes me as, is Tires and Juvenile.
Speaker 7: I mean, having… Did you watch his debate with mining in from God and Christianity.
Speaker 0: Oh, no. No. No. I didn’t. Was it good?
Speaker 7: So I haven’t watched the entire thing, but milo. Appearance was interesting to me because he sort of appeared out of nowhere after a long time. And he seems to have sort of changed a lot. He’s taking christianity quite seriously. He’s undergoing, sort of gay conversion therapy and staying away from at sodomy.
So, yeah. It’s… I mean, I can’t remember now. Because I didn’t really watch it that consciously. But I think he you would probably find it very interesting because in that, in that setting, destiny will tone down his sort of rhetoric and play the role of the more rational person, and Milo will be the entertainer.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Milo is another 1 given to very flamboyant. Stands. And I’m quite quite skeptical of people’s claims of of being saved if it doesn’t lead to concrete actions to try to repair the damage that they they’ve done to all sorts of people, and Milo has just been so horrible to so many people that until I I start hearing or or reading about evidence that he’s he’s trying to repent and and make amend to all the harm that he’s done. I I don’t take his flamboyant.
Speaker 7: He was the justice flynn is the the solve the sovereign is the 1 who decides the caption.
Speaker 0: Yeah I’m sorry. What what was…
Speaker 7: The sovereign is the the sovereign is the 1 who decides the exception. So could you not apply that to my own if you think about it him as a sort of celebrity icon, , he he does. Have a lot of power when speaking them, or if you agree with me.
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. He’s he’s very art articulate, and he he’s very compelling in a in a dramatic, flamboyant way. He also causes chaos and and disruption and in misery everywhere he goes.
Speaker 7: I don’t think so. I think he’s asked. He’s held, people like Jordan Peterson to account, which I quite enjoyed. I consider my… Like, in my own head, in my own, like, way of categorizing information.
I categorize my. As a rash list. I don’t… I don’t actually categorize him as a ra browser, and a sort of entertainer when I had listened to him, I’d take away all of that fluff, and I just listened to him for his arguments, when because how people can be deceiving. Right?
Right. So mining not. Deceive people in the sense that he’s he pretends that he’s really larger than life. But he’s actually quite rational. And then destiny on the other other hand.
Now. I’ve not… Again, I’ve not watched too much colton of Destiny. I can’t really make a fair judgment here, but… , if I were to compare him to minor, maybe destiny is the 1 who’s sort of laughing as the hyper rational, but underneath it all he is, , a bit of a weirdo.
And and and actually, there have been some leaks of destiny sort of sex life and sort of weird, behaviors going off to Israel meeting, man and, , just just weird of, how can I put it sex pests sort of behaviors? So those… At least with Milo, these things are more overt. So insofar as, I appreciate people who are not hypo I think Milo… I I appreciate min in this regard.
Speaker 0: That there’s a words, medium comes as you started speaking that I think it is it’s a favorite word among academics, but it’s absolutely Ap pro of both that Milo and destiny. That they’re both performative. Right. They’re always
Speaker 7: I what you’re gonna say Do what I what do what I thought you were going to see? But, that they’re both problematic.
Speaker 0: Well, they’re always… That they’re very good at. Creating drama, and they’re always performing. And, I mean, I I find it tires, but they are certainly attention getting. But they’re always performing.
They’re always amp up the drama It’s like they’re on a stage always. It’s just like the most successful yoga teachers tend to come from a background in in Tv production. And so they they they become really good at at putting on the these shows that they then stream online. And it’s a it’s a dramatic and and artistic performance. And that’s what what Destiny and Milo in the different way ways a a very good at.
They have this this theatrical temperament. They they love to phase immerse themselves in different characters and and play out different characters, and and they’re very good at it. So it’s it’s a marketing. It’s a marketing thing. It’s it’s an act.
Speaker 7: No… I’m I’m… I… I said I agree with you, but I just… There is something missing from this analysis.
I mean, are you are you now content with how how much you’ve analyzed destiny? Or do you think there’s still something missing? Because the fact that you stopped streaming about him? Is that sort of indication to you that you… Have kind of understood him now or what does…
What is it?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I think I do have a good. Good grasp on it. But what it is that I simply lost interest. Right?
It’s like,
Speaker 7: why did he take so long? Why did he take so long to decode Because… , you’ve done a lot of these decoding
Speaker 0: episodes much much much less. Because they’re they’re more levels to to Destiny. So he can have a highly rational vi on academic conversation. Or he can take it right into the gutter, so he can go low. He can go high.
He can go up a middle brow. He can go low a middle brow, the man contains multitudes. He is highly intelligent, highly skilled. Like, he’s very good at live streaming. He’s very good at performance.
He inhabit these different characters. And, yeah. There is there is a lot that he’s done that contains considerable depth,
Speaker 7: And he… He is quite brave in that. Yes. He could… He could have gone in the direction of modes.
Sort of mag types. Mh. But he chose not to and he could have sort of a eyed atheism but he stuck to his principles. Yeah. Know, if someone an atheist, that…
I mean, let them be an atheist, that’s that’s their sort of believe. I mean, a lot of these… I’ve… I’m noticing that a lot of the the atheists online now. Some of them are like…
I said I said, a lot, but I guess, some of them are tilting towards could follows herb, and just like fake online.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Russell Stuff. Joe Rogan.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. That’s a good example. Andrew. Was already.
Joe Rowan was brought up in in the catholic faith. So that’s understandable, but Russell Brown said, oh, I’m being persecuted, and then all of a sudden, he converts to Christianity. Sorry, he he converts to Catholicism. And that just seems like behavior to be. Yeah.
And nonetheless, what… Okay. I was I was talking about atheism. Yeah. So a lot of the atheists now.
They seem to be sort of cri new atheism, so that they look at Sam Harris and Rigid richard do and they just sort of laugh at these people. So I appreciate that destiny hasn’t fallen into that cringe rejuvenation trap if that’s what you can call it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, he is amazing for the degree to which he stands by his principles even though it causes him a lot of trouble and is, , causes him a lot of aggravation, but he sticks to a lot of unpopular, principles such as like, he he doesn’t think that the use of the ant word is just some, , inherently awful thing. And that’s not a popular perspective. He’s someone on the left who loves guns he’s, , open that he’s he’s bisexual, I guess, not so much at principal, but I think he he has tremendous courage, and he does seem to operate within the integrity of his… Of, of his stated principles to an extraordinary degree considering the he the genre in which she’s works
Speaker 7: to power.
Speaker 0: Yeah. He’s working in a genre that tends to not attract the best in people, and then those yeah people who are not so great to begin with start usually going steadily downhill. And he does an amazing and commendable job of sticking to some challenging difficulty principles that require genuine sacrifice on his pub.
Speaker 7: Well, this this is why III… This is why I still appreciate Sam Harris. So even though I personally… If if I was American, I would support Donald Trump. Mh.
However, there was a time when Sam Harris was really sort of anti Trump Benny and he still is. Mh. And everyone used to… To say that, oh, he’s got Trump der arrangements syndrome, Td, Td. And and I absolutely hate that term, by the way, like, what the hell?
Speaker 0: Yeah. It’s a cheap put down.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And and and and it’s not even like a sort of nice use of language either. It just great sm, actually. Yeah. So he was on tri, and , the the the.
Speaker 0: No. Kissing,
Speaker 7: yeah. And he said something like, well, it it was a sort of like a thought experiment to make a decision about Donald Trump. And he’s like, well, even if Hunter to Biden, who killed somebody or something like that. Something to that effect. He’s like, even if hunter biden and murdered somebody, I still think it’s it’s it’s he’s better.
At Biden is better than dong. Yes.
Speaker 0: Yes. Yes he got a lot of grief for that.
Speaker 7: And I… Isn’t me personally. I was like, no, actually, he he stuck to his principles there.
Speaker 0: Yes. This yes.
Speaker 7: Absolutely. Wasn’t… And he he didn’t mean language in the literal way. Yeah. If it’s not like, he’s so cold.
He’s just this cold atheist. No, He doesn’t he doesn’t believe that people should go around killing people. In fact, that’s 1 of his sort of criticisms of islam is that. , there is no value for human life that that is his understanding of the Islamic faith. So he worries about that.
So he he’s not he’s not a cold evil person. He’s he’s a good person, Sam Harris. And so in that moment, I appreciate him.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I and I appreciate him. Yeah. I, I think he is being honest and forthright because a normal person, if you are pro Biden or Pro Trump, you wouldn’t care if they they murdered someone because you you believe in something that’s greater than than some stranger who who you don’t know. So it would be…
Sam Harris was articulating the honest perspective.
Speaker 7: Yep. And indeed. So what is it that actually makes you respect people who are honest in the moment.
Speaker 0: Well, when they’re paying a price. So Russell Brand and Nick Fu and these people who immerse themselves in in Christianity, or Milo. I don’t see them actually sacrificing anything. It it just seems like such a a performance or But when people like Destiny or Sam Harris willing to pay the price from unpopular perspectives, for example, Sam Harris said Charles Murray. On his show and he apologized to Charles Murray for sla him in in the past.
So when I see that people willing to walk the walk, not just talk the talk, and are willing to pay the price for what they believe in, that’s much more impressive. Like, if someone’s genuinely a christian or genuinely a religious muslim, they… There are parts of the of their own predisposition that they are not acting on because of their religious commitment. Or if you just stand for something, forget religion. If you stand for something, and you’re willing to sacrifice for what you stand for, then that that indicates certain level of integrity.
Speaker 7: M. And for me it’s also… I mean, this is included in what you’re saying, but I’ll just say it more explicitly. That when people… Oppose the mob, , mob morality.
Yeah. You should you should have some beliefs like, you you should believe in something and know why you believe in it right, as opposed to just because people are forcing you.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. People who who have the courage to stand up to to the mob as opposed to… I’m thinking about this.
Speaker 7: That by the way, that that mob… Sorry. But that mob made Sam Harris leave Twitter. He is off Twitter. So it’s been liked.
2 years, I think since He deactivated his account, and it was explicitly because of mob because people have not been kind to Sam Harris, 2 they’ve been really horrible but I think.
Speaker 0: Well, tweet is not for everyone. And so it’s good that Sam Harris. It was not good for him because… Sam Harris has some significant weaknesses. He he he tends to react to to criticism, the mild criticism and often incredibly thin skinned and hyper way.
He makes absurd claims.
Speaker 7: Think so the. What is Yeah of…
Speaker 0: Alright. I’d have to go back to but my shows on Sam stuff.
Speaker 7: Again for me, that is a mis interpretation of Sam Harris? I mean, people don’t even question individuals like Douglas Murray, I’ll give you an example. Whereas of Sam Harris for some reason. Any Toms You can Harry, you can just, , criticize Sam Harris. 2 is Phase as well.
Like a recently Rory Stewart, who is who used to be an Mp in the Uk Parliament his a a conservative party politician, but he’s left the conservative party now because he doesn’t agree with, , it’s new sort of populous application, I guess, that what you even got if that if that’s what you can call it. But, yeah, I’ve rory Stewart was interviewed by Sam Harris, and and he was boris it was absolutely fine with Sam in the interview and they were debating things, including Islam. And then after that, like, a week later Rory stewart was on on another podcast, and he says to the host. Well, oh, Sam Harris was asked. Giving you at islam miss sla islam.
Oh, god, like, he’s so fixated on this. And it was sort of like, were you just why couldn’t you just set it to Somehow face? Like, why why do people think that it’s, , they can just get away with bitch about Saint Harris? Like that. And and sort of just he kind of backs Sam Harris, I think, because he presented a sort of friendly face on his making sense podcast.
That’s in the sam Howard podcast. But then as soon as he’s on another podcast, he’s like, oh, , sam harris was is an islam folk. So I I didn’t I didn’t appreciate at all.
Speaker 0: Right. Obviously, it’s more impressive if he could have done it to his face. Often people don’t get clarity until after an event, and not everyone is equally equipped to confront someone else face to face. So not not everyone has that.
Speaker 7: Rory stuart is rory stewart is the kind of person who would.
Speaker 0: You would think, so.
Speaker 7: Wouldn’t would. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You would think so.
Speaker 7: But, I mean, what is it that makes sam harris so unbelievable? Because to me, he’s not really done anything wrong. He’s he’s he’s a nice man. He’s he’s married. He’s got, , a kid or.
I don’t know how many children. He has. But , he’s he’s a father. He’s he’s respectful. He he doesn’t even like, swear.
? I just… I’m just I feel bad for him, like my inner sense of justice comes out.
Speaker 0: III don’t think about Sam Harris and I’ve never thought deeply about him he’s he’s not… , someone in my radar, but there’s just so much silliness to the way he operates. So He… No he goes on a big quantification about how you wouldn’t understand his politics unless you practice the type of… Meditation that he practices, of which is absolutely no empirical evidence that you need to…
You have to practice a certain type of meditation to be after understand certain politics. I I just find him incredibly Thin skin and dramatically.
Speaker 7: Politics. Politics there. What does he mean? Maybe he means
Speaker 0: He means the level. He he means that he has transcend the the normal… , partisan tendencies because of his practice and meditation that he’s able to resign
Speaker 7: He were.
Speaker 0: Rise above, normal human pet ness and that just seems like a ludicrous self assessment.
Speaker 7: Do who’s really done that? I I feel like Pan tate and Elon Musk managed to do? I think you have managed to do that actually?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I can’t I I charge myself is certainly something I strive for.
Speaker 7: Yeah. But it’s it’s quite difficult to transcend. Sort of left right divide. It’s almost like an institutional debate in Western democracies. The And if you don’t sort of choose side people think you’re a bit of a weirdo.
But I I feel there are some people who have been able to transcend it. And get away with it. I’d include you in in in that group. So you are up there with the ann tate no musk.
Speaker 0: Well, III do try to transcend, , normal human partisan pet. I I try to to, , I strive for that. I, obviously, I will I will fail. I’ve got, , right wing tendencies. But I I tried to be at as fair and as dis as I as I can, as opposed to being being partisan, and just…
I strive not to tell my audience what it wants to hear. Let’s try to stand out for what I believe in rather than what my audience wants to hear.
Speaker 7: Certain, okay. We we now have… Have some outstanding topics to address. So we still have the analogy thing. 1…
What was the second thing that we were going to discover
Speaker 0: Well, I I did I did delve into analog because you you prompted me and at 1 of the points that I remember from… My my research was that it it works when you like the person making the analogy. When you’re already sympathetic to the person, you like the person, you’re already att to the person. You basically go along with them, then, analog are, very persuasive. But as as a normal formal logical type of augmentation, it’s usually never very strong.
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah That that’s a nice sort of conclusive point about analogy, But we still need to delve deep, I’m not seeing right now, but I’m just wondering what other topics did we outline?
Speaker 0: I will, I will scroll through. Some of, previous conversations and and try to come up with a list. What have what have you primarily been thinking about the last few weeks has been quite a couple of months and I’ve spoken to you lost.
Speaker 7: No. It’s not been that long.
Speaker 0: Okay. In the last month, what
Speaker 7: what last?
Speaker 0: What what have you been thinking about?
Speaker 7: Nothing III don’t know. It’s just all up in my head. I can’t really I can’t really… I’m having trouble. Of language itself.
Like, I’m in a very sort of nih state right now with like, when people speak and they saving, they just think like why what even is language. It it’s such a it’s such a bizarre thing to think in one’s head. Right? And it can detach you from human action, human behavior, groups, etcetera, completely. But this is what’s on my mind.
Like, Was just merely rhetoric? Yeah. Is that what humans do? Is is is language just… Humans just always lying.
It’s it’s too deep question that I don’t wish to even address it with anybody. Because it it… It’s too. But that is that is what’s been going on in my head. Like, I’m no longer thinking about analogy, not thinking about any particular personality he’s not really thinking about, , Andrew tate and tate them and the stuff.
But I was previously quite interested in. I mean, I still that interested, but it’s not pre my money How
Speaker 0: how long has nihilism played a significant role in your
Speaker 7: I think for a long time, but it’s never been related to communication itself. Like, I… And that I don’t… I no longer ask the question what’s the point? Because even that’s a pointless question in my head.
Mh More Like, 1 of the questions I had in my head was like, isn’t it strange that the Bio, and the sort of new atheists, the biological deter. They use rhetoric so much, and that drives insane because that is a contradiction, within the context of their worldview views. Like, their worldview view you should actually dictate, Like, the logical extreme would be that language itself is so meaningless. Because it’s literally just someone’s a vocal cords doing the work, it’s just noise.
Speaker 0: Now, I I think obviously, I I have that training in this, but I think you’re you’re going through a period of depression and what comes along with depression.
Speaker 7: It’s it’s no. No. It’s it’s not even that. It’s it’s something really rational.
Speaker 0: Okay. Let me let me finish the point. Okay. Depression and nihilism have an adaptive purpose because… Okay we all tend to ex expand our emotions and our efforts in many different ways.
And then when we go through a depression, or illness or neolithic phase, we look at all our striving and we question whether it’s worth it. And then we contemplate perhaps , living and operating and caring in in a different way. And then we run through our head, , new ways of living, We we think about all the striving and the caring that we’ve been doing that seems not really ideally suited to our own best interest. And so there we run various scenarios, throw our head for a more productive way to go forward. And so I think this whole depression nihilism, illness phase it is really useful and adaptive for many people, you don’t wanna live there, but going through it for a few days, weeks or or months, I think is is a very effective way to reset yourself and enable you to to consider if if your exert emotionally, practically, rhetoric is is worth it.
So just like your computer often works better when you restart it, I I think we often work better when we restart ourselves by going through these phases of of nihilism. Because I I got through them I got turned them frequently. And and III stopped streaming, and I think, , is this worth it? Or these particular streams worth it or my efforts worth it or my emotional expenditure, Intellect. Is this worth it?
And I I go through hours and days of of nihilism. And and then I I start thinking of a more productive way to go forward, and then I run through those scenarios in my mind. And then after a time, III seize on what I think is a a more productive if way to go forward and I let go of many of the things that I I was doing or was caring about. If
Speaker 7: Okay. Well, I sort of run out of steam now.
Speaker 0: And Okay. So… Thanks for stuff. Bye.
Speaker 7: Yeah. The main thing was that I wanted to ask you about your all more stuff. To do with destiny because I was genuinely intrigued as to how many hours you’d spent on this on decoding him relative to your decoding other people.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I probably spent 10 hours on destiny while, like, Shapiro would take me about 40 minutes.
Speaker 7: Mh. Do you feel… Satisfied now. Or do you think there’s still something more.
Speaker 0: Oh, I’m sure there’s more, but I just internally, I don’t feel that there’s no desire in me to to do more. But I mean, something like me change.
Speaker 7: Give you should give my the same… Kind of, treatment that you’ve given destiny. Like, you should… Well, you should give him the same sort of Like, just just like you think that destiny is very layered. You should treat milo helpless in the same way.
Because perhaps you are missing something. Perhaps next time you need to do a decoding minor. Because I don’t think anybody’s has understood him.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I see him as a flamboyant attention seeker or whether he’s , pro Or sodomy me. So I find him shallow and uni interesting, but I I may change my mind at any point.
Speaker 7: Whoop, but he he is a man who was attracted to men, and he has… He’s tried his… His best to leave that lifestyle. He is trying to d gay himself, which I’ve not seen any homosexual even attempt to do.
Speaker 0: But that’s what he’s saying. What people say and what people actually do are often different.
Speaker 7: No. I’ve I believe him. I mean, he’s got some Twitter account. Called the So clock, and he updates it like every day or every week and then, yeah, it’ll just say, like, how many days he’s not engaged in any activity and and it’s been a while. It’s actually working.
But this is a person who’s trying.
Speaker 0: Yeah trying maybe
Speaker 7: something that that nobody even attempts. In fact, if if somebody does try and attempt it, they are then kind of shut down by other people like goal. That’s so stupid, , homosexuality is natural, blah blah blah and, , they people, , start sharing their their opinions of how the world should be and how your look and how what section is and how natural it is and blah blah blah. I I think I I think my office has inspired me.
Speaker 0: Inspired you in in what way to to quit your homosexual. Acting out.
Speaker 7: Well not not my personal moment will think you because I’m not sexual but.
Speaker 0: Right. I’m
Speaker 7: easy has just done something that is
Speaker 0: Difficult.
Speaker 7: That is out of the ordinary. Yeah. Yes. And like, it’s it’s easier. It’s easier to go.
To Mars. Like, elon musk teeth his demands. Right? So Right. People will attempt that, but they weren’t attempt this.
It’s it’s like that thing that we would we’ve discussing status that people would rather commit to how Std they. They’ve got than just admit that they are sort of lower status or something. And with homosexuality, you see the same sort of stopping this.
Speaker 0: I can’t think of any other prominent figure who’s very prominently, stepping away from Sodomy me.
Speaker 7: You you don’t even find it. Yeah in the muslim community like, I’m a bit of an insider to muslim community and. Like, I I know people who are muslims and they’re gay and they just continue being gay. They don’t even try to. Like, they might tell people like, oh, like, I’m straight or something or they might perform tell people around them who know that they’re getting that they’re trying or something, and they know that it’s…
Har arms and they know it’s forbidden, but they don’t they didn’t actually do anything about it. So I’m… My point with that muslim example is that in in even, like, for a sort of conservative faith. You don’t find this kind of determination about homosexuality.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Okay. I’m gonna run good to talk to you. It Take care.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Okay. Bye. Take care of then. Bye.
Bye.