01:00 Liberal catharsis after law does what politics can’t — constrain Trump, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NweVBH_QLtg
07:00 Male sex drive is stronger than the female sex drive, https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/well/family/sex-myths.html,
21:00 More Americans identify as Republican than Democrat
31:00 Robert Barnes on the Donald Trump Conviction, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB0UtOpoq8A
37:00 Hitler and Abductive Logic: The Strategy of a Tyrant, https://www.amazon.com/Hitler-Abductive-Logic-Strategy-Tyrant/dp/0739194615
40:00 Science Envy in Theories of Religion, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=155267
Is a Second Civil War INEVITABLE?, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCogKGV2NDw
The Axis of Chaos, with Matt Pottinger, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhL1kV1EeQ
Prof. John Mearsheimer on the Israel Lobby’s Grip on U.S. Politics, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKXSReKRWaQ
Hypervigilance and diversity, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py0lBpkSyHM
Secure attachment, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTd6SyKLFH4
Why Civilisations Collapse Into Dust, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTd6SyKLFH4
01:00 My livestream keeps getting shutting down after I make a point about politicians and public officials lying
03:00 The Axis of Chaos, with Matt Pottinger, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhL1kV1EeQ
11:45 Israel enters Rafah
15:00 How do RW academics make it? Should they diversify to podcasts?
18:00 Prof. John Mearsheimer on the Israel Lobby’s Grip on U.S. Politics, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKXSReKRWaQ
25:00 Vali Nasr: Iran, Israel, and America’s Future in the Middle East | Foreign Affairs Interview, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVM0HRx5Wss
36:00 Christopher Caldwell: Is Israel Defensible? The cruel geostrategic logic of the Holy Land, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=155305
55:00 Unanswered Threats: Political Constraints on the Balance of Power by Randall Schweller, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=155281
1:02:00 CRITICAL THINKING – Fundamentals: Abductive Arguments, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vflZuk-_Hz4
1:09:00 Max Weber and the Two Universities, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=155263
1:13:50 Why Civilisations Collapse Into Dust, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTd6SyKLFH4
1:20:20 Sometimes dictatorship is the most effective way to get things done
1:28:00 NYT: Extremely Inappropriate, A Show That Makes Young Japanese Pine for the ‘Inappropriate’ 1980s, https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/29/world/asia/japan-extremely-inappropriate.html
1:35:00 The naked state, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=140282
2:04:00 Young men tilt conservative
2:15:20 Is a Second Civil War INEVITABLE?, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCogKGV2NDw
2:30:40 Big Tech Bans Alex Jones, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4C9k06jcs
2:32:00 Elliott Blatt joins
2:50:00 The dissident right has become tedious
3:11:45 The adaptive use of illness and depression
3:18:00 Colds v flu, https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/coldflu.htm
2:29:40 Big Tech Bans Alex Jones, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4C9k06jcs
3:33:25 The Atlantic: Why Is Charlie Kirk Selling Me Food Rations?, https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/05/charlie-kirk-podcast-ads/678450/
3:35:00 The Long Con by Rick Pearlstein, https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-long-con
Speaker 0: Good day mate 40 here, so I’ve twice had my livestream stream shut. This morning, and both times after I made the point that several, , many prominent figures in politics and in another realm of the political. That’s not explicitly politics have made exaggerated claims On behalf of something that I think is good and worthy, but they made exaggerated claims that were not true. And as a result, they lost credibility, how it’s always tempting to lie for a good cause. And then after I made that point.
Right? I got, you, shut down. So it’s entirely possible that what happened. Was just some kind of, , technical sn. Right?
But on the other hand, I, , could also think, oh, man, you you can’t say the truth and it it disrupts your flow. Right? Flow, comfort. Alright. That’s, , an important part of doing a good live stream because when…
More and more of your cognitive resources go to, just, , maintaining the technical parts of your stream or firing them up again and getting everything aligned. Right? It takes away from the amount of cognitive processes that you have available for making your points. Up and so that… That’s the situation.
What you then do with it? You immediately go, oh, man. I can’t make this element entry and overwhelmingly, , factual true and empirical una point because every time I make this obvious point, I get shut down, or I could just say, hey, , that’s the nature of reality. Maybe just learn from the experience and and power forwards that maybe I went reiterate the point that seems to keep getting me shut down. This is Matt Pot.
He served in the Trump forwards administration. He’s the editor of forthcoming book. The boiling mode, urgent steps to defend Taiwan. Here he’s talking to good fellows, crowd, at the Hoover?
Speaker 1: I think what’s more important are the similarities? Because, of course, they’re they’re very important differences, between cold war 1 and 2. There are important differences between the Soviet Union and the people’s Republic of China. But if you look at the similarities, you start to appreciate the kind of strategy, the that we need to employ in order to win Cold war 2 and to prevent it from becoming World war 3. Neil talked a a lot in and for a very long time about the fact that we’re cold…
War 2. He’s absolutely right about that. Henry Kissing, as you’ve often noted Neil, a few years ago said I I fear that we’re in the the foot hills of cold war 2II actually think we’re now moving just over the really over the past year in particular into the foot hills of a of a great power war. That that Beijing and its axis of chaos is leading us into because they’re pushing against an open door. They’re finding that we are unwilling as democracies to effectively deter or cr deter.
And so they’re just pushing forward and forward and forward and they’re finding mush instead of steel. And until they find steel, they’re not going to withdraw, and I fear that we’re moving into a much more dangerous scenario. Why do I say the last year? Well, it is… It was really about a year ago it in March of 20 23 that Xi Jinping made or this very important visit.
It was really a waters shed visit to the to the Kremlin. This is this is really at at the 1 year anniversary, more or less of the full blown invasion by Putin of Ukraine. And seating jinping at this point says, , doubles down on their their no limits packed. Sea Jinping says you and Are the ones driving the changes they’re occurring in the world, the changes that only occur once in a century. And now we know that Chinese material support for the war in Europe skyrocketed beginning in that month.
Csi did a did an important study of this a couple of months ago, I think taken in Washington Dc, but also, Tony Blink, essentially, in fact admitted that this is what took place when he when he visited, just a few weeks ago, Beijing to say, China is now overwhelmingly the number… Support of the war in Beijing has materially affected the outcome of the war, Tony Lincoln said that the… Russia would not have been able to sustain the war the way that it has without Chinese support in particular. So at it was really… I think in March of last year that this became a full blown proxy war by China, a Chinese proxy war against the west.
And now they’re repeating that playbook in the Middle East, hosting terrorist organizations like Hamas, being… They’re the number 1 material supporter of Iran, the number 1 propaganda and Diplomatic supporter for them. And now they’re they’re looking for the next crisis that they’re either going to fan the flames of or light, and that that could be South China sea where things are heating up could be taiwan 1, which is the big 1 that that that does the subject of of my new book, or it could be Venezuelan Guyana, could be, , that could new fronts that open up in Europe. So so deter is is really more the same bill. I I would say then it is different.
It means that we’ve gotta show that we have hard power above all that could effectively win in a fight. And and our leaders have to stop saying what they would never do. This is like the the cardinal scene of leadership. You don’t say what you would never do. I mean, it’s like, giving a green light to your adversaries to ag to start addressing.
And that’s that’s what we’re we’re feeling the the heat of right now. I’m waiting for president Biden to learn the lesson of the mistakes that has veil deter, in in Afghanistan in in Europe, in the Middle East, but no signs yet that that he’s he’s there?
Speaker 0: Okay. Some more highlights from this discussion
Speaker 1: different from the Vietnam model, John. But but look, the the book is called the boiling moat because the… Even though China is very close to Taiwan. Geography can be China’s, or rather Taiwan friend. In a situation.
What would Ukraine have given to have a hundred miles of ocean between it and and and Putin’s Russia they… So rather than thinking just about this idea ideal por pine, something that would be hard to swallow in the event that China were able to land in Taiwan. The the the real framing that we lay out here is that China should never be able to set foot on Taiwan. That…
Speaker 0: So president, Biden none, separate occasions has said that the United States will go war to defend Taiwan. John Mis that makes the point that American elites have already decided this that we will go to war to defend Taiwan, even though it might cost us tens of billions of dollars, countless numbers of American lives that China may flatten many of our overseas bases? And should we really do this? Should we allow Japan and the countries who feel threatened by China to bear the the full burden of restricting China’s rise. Right?
There’s there’s a case to be made for that. Right now, appears clear that we will go to war to defend Taiwan. But why not just leave it up to Korea and Japan and Taiwan. Like, Taiwan, and he spends 1 percent of his budget on its defense. Right?
Israel spends what? 05:10 percent of its budget, on defense after the… After the Y kip war in 19 73, Israel started spending 10 percent and more of its federal budget on the fence. And it was a lost decade economically, Israel was racked by debt and inflation a result of the vast amount of spending. It was doing on defense, but I…
Taiwan isn’t taking their own defense terribly seriously, so Why should the United States be willing to sacrifice so much to defend an island that’s not terribly interested in defending some vote.
Speaker 1: Could become a, boiling mode… A tang, which is the the Chinese Hon dynasty phrase that that we derive the title from, it was a it was a han dynasty Diplomat who said, look, when you’re when you’re dealing with these little city states on the border lands that have metal ramp parts and boiling mo, it’s better not to fight them head on, try to find another way to take to take that kind of territory. And Amphibious assaults are an extremely difficult form of warfare to pull off successfully. Blockade are are not as easy as people assume either. And if the the advantage that we…
And when I say we… We’re really talking about Japan, the United States, Taiwan and Australia, as sort of the the primary actors, on the good on the good guys side, the good fellow side. The what what we need to do is look at how Japan should stop pretending that they might be able to sit this 1 out. When I talk to Japanese officials and former military officers and some current military officers. They say, of course, we’re gonna have to fight.
I mean, it’s gonna become obvious. What what… I’m what we urge in the book, and I’ve got chapters submitted by grant notion of of former a marine Colonel as well as Y Ko, who is the former commander, the Japanese fleet, Admiral Ko. What they’re talking about is is being more of more open about what the consequences would be now so that you derive that that deterrent value, but also preparing Japanese society, C us on the Admiral code makes clear that that Japan is have to make available all of its civilian infrastructure, hundreds, , more than a hundred airs strips, hospitals, for the for the tens of thousands of casualties that it potentially would would come from, conflict. And really to to start building stitching together that sense of a…
A civilian set of obligations in wartime. Same thing with Taiwan. We’ve chapters about what Taiwan needs to do things. It shouldn’t be doing equipment, it should be dives of new equipment should be buying, but more than anything, adopting something more like an Israeli model for their, reserve pool.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I’m coming back here a thousand times if I have to. Fine. Have to restart this 3 a thousand times. That’s what I’m gonna do.
That’s how the world works. They don’t do this to me after
Speaker 1: course. I I brought a bunch of Israeli generals to Taiwan last summer, and a former Israeli National Security adviser. The Taiwanese were very. They wanna talk about David Sling and and , iron dome and all this equipment? And and what the Israelis wanna talk to them about was, how come your your reserve system so screwed up?
, what why is it that you’ve got millions of reserves who never train instead of a smaller set of service who train obsessively and realistically. And so we we have very good exchanges about that and, chapter 4 of the book goes into some depth about about the new military culture, Taiwan needs to adapt rapidly. On the Us side, it… It’s a recognition that we need to to be building munitions much faster, moving away from this sort of cost plus old…
Speaker 0: Yeah. It’s interesting that the entire west. Alright. The United States and Europe cannot keep up with the munitions production of 1 backward economy Russia. So Russia can get its act together to create the munitions it needs to prosecute the war against Ukraine, but the entire west can’t match Russia in producing munitions.
Speaker 1: Model for building weapons and munitions towards something that actually leverages our our our innovative sector in the private sector to do things like what Elon musk did when we moved away from a cost plus Nasa model and said, hey, we… Look, here’s how much money we’ve got available. Can you build a better rocket? Faster, and he comes back and completely revolutionize the space industry. That’s what we need to be doing urgently in in the manufacture munitions.
So those are a few of the recommendations that we lay out.
Speaker 0: Yeah we have just a couple of minutes left here. Let me ask you this parting question. I would the
Speaker 2: note to to urge is rule not to conduct an operation Raf. Take to complete the defeat of of Hamas. I mean, how can they not do it do it in office operation Roth. I think what you saw with these recent civilian casualties is, there’s no such thing to as as a precision rate into a dense urban area, this controlled by a terrorist organization. And and if you do it a major offensive of operation, heck it’s it’s a heck of a lot safer for the innocent civilians.
And, of course, it’s quite necessary. We still have ate and am tits. You, held hostage there. Among the, we hope the hundred and 20 or so who we mean. Alive, but we keep finding more and more dead hostage.
She hearing more and more stories about how they were torture and killed. So III just I was surprised to agree that that we have been weak in our support of israel… And and what a necessary mission to to complete the destruction of a terrorist organization that is determined to destroy israel and kill all the jews. So III think been my greatest disappointment. I could add energy policy to that to time with what John said, , how self defeating we’ve been.
I mean, declaring the moratorium, On permitting for Lng export facilities. I mean, really, when this is a tremendous this opportunity for us to drive the price down to bridge away from from for coal, for example, and actually reduce carbon emissions to hurt some of our our adversaries who use that in energy at for cor of purposes. I mean,
Speaker 0: I mean, I have so much energy today. I had 2 cups of coffee this morning. I haven’t had 2 cups of coffee in months. Haven’t had any coffee in… 3 weeks.
So I was all prepared to live. I was so fired it up. But it it does take something out of you. Like have 2 streams, , killed. And and they’re having to reload everything and then get frustrated that when you reloaded the stream, it’s not, , coming forward through for example, Twitter or x.
And having to, , get all your settings revamped. Right? It’s… Yeah. It’s a punch in the gut man,
Speaker 2: been the self defeating nature of the of the administration’s energy policy is just astounding to me.
Speaker 0: Little let me charlie. I mean, there are so many things that can go wrong with a livestream. Right it’s kind of kind of amazing that they come off as clean hits they do. 3 questions for you today, gentlemen, first comes from Scotty in Canada who writes and I, quote. This show has helped open my eyes to some of the problems in universities.
I still hope to be an Set professor at a North American business school after I finished my Phd, You have any advice for current Phd students slash assistant professor so that we do not perpetuate the current problems and universities as we advance in our academic careers?
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Do they actually couldn’t have say he focus on the mission, like, your mission is to educate. And and I think about my best professors and always been those. I couldn’t really tell where they were leading our particular shoes because you read a broad rate of… Perspectives and and discuss them in in a in a open in an open manner. So, hey, I I just think if you focus on the mission of education, which maybe some of our universities are red covering, maybe even Harvard is, it seems like Neil I think that’s the…
That’s a best advice I could do it.
Speaker 4: Mh. Neil
Speaker 5: york. In my advice to any, young Phd, and I’ve been asked this question many times recently is, diversify because you can’t, rely on the career paths of the past to be open to…
Speaker 0: Now this sounds like , excellent advice. Right?
Speaker 5: You. And I think that can take many faults, but I’m struck by how many historians these days, are making a living from, writing books and doing podcasts, educating a white.
Speaker 0: Right. So Neil Ferguson suddenly diversified out of the normal academic. Focus. But in so doing, he costs himself credibility in the academic world, just like, the author of love story, the Novel Eric Siegel. Right?
He was denied tenure at, yale English literature, professor because of the trash nature of his book. So 2, as Neil Ferguson has diversified over the past 20 years, alright, much of his output has been trash. And that’s cost academic credibility. So diversify, what could possibly go wrong. Sounds like wonderful advice.
Right? But you can diversify so that you cash yourself credibility with the 1 arena that’s most important to you. Right? I think the the something called the John Yu line that Andrew Gel talks about, where once you cross it. Right?
Once your output becomes sufficiently trash, you can never regain your academic credibility. And Neil Ferguson, , crossed the the John Yu line about 20 years ago, John Yu is the A lawyer who came up with the George of your Bush administration’s legal rationale for enhanced interrogation techniques, Aka. Poach. And you see his out output is now at the University of California Berkeley law school, and, , his his output is quite Low Iq and doesn’t stand up to, , academic analysis, and he’s kinda given up, trying to create, academically respectable work, and, Neil Ferguson gave up on that 20 years ago. Nathan C by a contrast.
He is diversified, But he still maintains his primary focus on putting out academic quality work. Yes to be careful though, in his Twitter, and subs and and video presentations that he doesn’t undercut that. Because when you do academic work, You spend more time on it. Alright. You have more time to think through what you’re doing, you often will solicit feedback.
Well, when you produce just popular work, you just may put it out there without adequate consideration, and it’s tempting, and it becomes addictive often as the e personality takes over, to get intoxicated by your stream of consciousness work for the public that destroys your credibility in academic life.
Speaker 5: Who a public rather than from teaching classes. So my advice to our, our listener is diversify The tenure year track path may not be open to you, certainly, if the the current hiring patterns are to continue.
Speaker 0: Mh. Alright. Miss S. You think he said everything that he could possibly bring you on the Israel lobby. Oh I like his insides here.
Speaker 6: Party is basically split on Israel. Progressive wing. I’m a democratic party broadly defined. Is quite hostile to Israel at this point in time and thinks Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. And the Republicans can see this as an opportunity to get full support from the lobby and to turn the lobby against the democratic party.
So almost every republican in the land is going to great ways, trying to kiss up to the lobby. And Joe Biden is really in a very difficult position as a result of this. Because he’s deeply fearful that he will alienate the lobby if he plays hard with israel. But at the same time, he understands if he doesn’t do something to show that he can get semi tough with the Israel israelis. He doesn’t have to do much, but just a little bit.
He can then win over the progressive who abandoning him in drove but the fact is he’s caught between a rock and hard place, and there’s not much he can do to win, and the Republicans fully understand this and for that reason, the Republicans have embraced the lobby in ways that we have not seen in the past.
Speaker 7: It is really amazing all over the democratic world, All of the world entirely. People are increasingly opposed to the Israeli, War Gaza. They are increasingly horrified by the things they’re seeing there. They want this war over. They’ve been
Speaker 0: Now if in Arab state, , killed 35000 fellow arabs with the world assembly be galvanized and enough we we have any examples such as Jordan, , wiping out tens of thousands of Palestinians did not gal the world to the same extent as when… White people when Israelis do it. It tends to gal world opinion much more than when fellow arabs do it.
Speaker 7: Cutting diplomatic ties with Israel recognizing the Palestinian state. And, yet, here the United States, we’re about to have a presidential campaign in the presidential debate where the 2 primary candidates are just going to be arguing with 1 another about who is more. It’ll will be no debate at all about this incredibly consequential and polarizing and caustic policy, they’ll both be fighting with 1 another over who can be more pro israel and I guess that in a sense has been what American Politics has been for the last several decades. And I do wanna just push a little bit or not push, but just kind of ask the question about… Obviously, there’s a finance pro israel lobby.
There are American jews who feel a connection to The way Lots of minority groups feel a connection to the country of their origin, whether it’s the place they come from when they integrate or, Italy, or, Ireland, whatever. People have these kinds of connections, but you do now have an extremely vocal, and I think increasing, factor in the Republican party primarily that has caused this defensive of Israel to become even more fortified in all those absolute which is this evangelical and theological motivation. Do you think that that is a significant or non trivial factor now and why there’s so much congressional support for israel?
Speaker 6: It’s non trivial for sure, but I don’t think it’s the key. I think that most of the people who feel that way are Christian Zion. And I think the Christian zion are an important part of the Israel lobby, the Steve and I articulated in their book. But I think that it’s American Jews who are deeply committed to Israel. And want the United States to support Israel unconditionally, who are really driving the train.
And a lot of this has to do with campaign contributions. There’s just no getting around that You noticed that the other day, Donald Trump visited a a group of rich donors, many of whom are Jewish, and he told them. That he would basically deport the protesters. He’d arrest them and deport them. That’s how he’d deal with all the unrest on campuses.
I mean, this is hard to believe that he said that in in a serious way, but he did. And the question you wanna ask yourself is why did he say that? And the point is he wanted campaign country.
Speaker 0: Oh my, a a politician made an exaggerated claim about what they would do. Shocking.
Speaker 6: Contributions. And that’s why he was meeting which the… With these rich donors. So that is an important part of the story for sure.
Speaker 7: And just underscore the point with, I think 48 hours, it was announced. That Sheldon Ad widow, Sheldon Ad was a multi billionaire who said his big issue was Israel who refunded, the Republican party to keep it very pro Israel She announced or. Someone announced on her behalf that they were gonna create a Pro trump pack and that she would finance it on a level never previously seen, in presidential politics. So the Auto whose primary issue by Far is Israel, obviously was responding to those statements by you said what you said as well as I will be the most politician in our history.
Speaker 6: But you wanna remember, Glenn, as I said before, and you have been saying in the conversation here. Trump Israel is in real trouble. And these donors and these staunch supporters of Israel. These people in the lobby, these institutions in the lobby, they all understand that Israel is in deep trouble. So there will…
Speaker 0: Right. The intensity of the support is in proportion to the amount of trouble. That Israel is in. Right? Israel is in very difficult position.
As an excellent article in the Claire review of books. But I wanna get to in in a minute. But, first of all, let’s look at the chat How far are we from seeing a viable candidate for American political office asking, where should we care what happens with Israel, Palestine or Russia versus Ukraine. And it doesn’t affect the vital interest of Americans. Another chart is israeli forces now operating.
Most areas of rough Apparently, this doesn’t… Break, Jay Biden red line because Israel has successfully evacuated a million Palestinians out of Ru.
Speaker 6: Willing to find politicians who will support Israel hook line and sink and give them all the support that they need to win, And that’s what’s going on here. And the Republicans again understand that the Democrats are in trouble on this issue from a political point of view, because you have a huge number of Democrats, who believed that Israel is committing genocide. A huge number of Democrats believe that Israel is committing Genocide, and that the United States should move the cause a ceasefire right away. And these rich donors do not wanna hear that. So they’re willing to support people like Trump, or make it clear to Biden that he better changes his to or else, they’ll go to great place to defeat him in the full.
Speaker 7: When you say Israel is in deep trouble that these probably israel real donors and activists understand that. What do you mean by Is in deep trouble? Is if that they’re involved in war for which they have no ultimate outcome or plan? Is it that they’re more isolated than ever on the world stage and the international community? Or is it something else?
So what kind of deep trouble do you consider them to be in?
Speaker 6: Well, I’d make 2 arguments. 1 is Israel is an apartheid state. Right? Is human rights watch, Amnesty International and Bet sell, which is the leading human rights, organization and Israel have made clear. All 3 of those human rights and organizations have made clear in extensive reports.
The Israel is in a port state.
Speaker 7: And there quickly. So have many top Israeli officials, including the former head of the Massage chosen by Bb Netanyahu in 20 15 who the month prior to October 7 published an article in the Guardian saying Israel is now either very close to on the Brink of has become a an apartheid state.
Speaker 6: Yes, But that’s very important, Glenn, because that’s just evidence that leaders in Israel understand this phenomenon. Right? They understand that Israel is an apartheid state.
Speaker 0: Okay. I’m more interested in the game of power rather than, , what international norms. Is Israel violating. Alright. Interesting discussion here with Vale Nas.
Alright? He’s an expert on Iran is that M Ka, professor of International affairs in Middle East studies at the John. Hopkins university school of advanced international studies senior fellow on the Atlantic Council’s Southeast South Asia center, and here he’s speaking to foreign affairs, Magazine.
Speaker 8: And and 70. There are periods that Iran and Israel, , silently cooperated. For instance, when Iran was under attack by Iraq Israelis did provide Iran with a lot of war materials. Because it was the only military in the region, which had American made war material and Iran’s military was still dependent on American technology then But gradually, Iranians sort of dug in into exploiting the out of anger towards Israel as a strategic crutch for themselves in the middle East. The more the arabs pushed against Iran in supporting an American containment strategy.
The more Iranians became interested in exploiting the Achilles heel, of the Arab Regimes, which was the which was the Israel issue. And that was really the basis of their investment in hezbollah ebola because they saw hezbollah ebola and the war in lebanon as part of their own security issue, and by contemporary period, the Iranians have come to view Israel as the only force in the region that matters. So as Iran is seeking great power status in the region. What other power in the region is capable willing and determined to stand in Iran’s way. And that is israel.
Because the Arab world as a whole is not a threat to iran anyone with the fall of Iraq after 2003. Iranians see them essentially as been being maneuver by the United States and Israel, but they cells are not rivals to Iran’s great power position. Iran is penetrated the Arab world very effectively since 2003. So Israel and Iran now are the 2 gorillas in the ring. That Turkey periodically his head, but these are the 2 girls.
And if you look at the current situation as important the Saudi Arabia is, Saudi Arabia is really a prize for the 2 sides. Both sides are trying to woo Saudi Arabia into in the case of Iran into neutrality, and in the case of Israel into an anti iran axis. But Saudi Arabia itself is no longer the main threat to Iran. It’s not a main threat to Israel. In fact, there’s no arab army that is a threat to israel, including Egypt.
Because of all the alliance says peace treaty t’s, etcetera. So for Israel, Iran is the last and the largest and the biggest Middle East obstacle to what it once in the region. And for Iran, Israel either on its own or as a deputy of the United States is blocking its way. So that’s the way we arrive at October seventh if you would. Now you’re right.
Ham hamas is not a Shi organization. Of course, she forces are closer to Iran because of the commonality of faith. But we often forget that that sec alliance also had to do with some kind of a strategic consensus because the she has… Saw themselves as facing the same sun threat. Whether it’s in Iraq or in Lebanon or in these pockets in the gulf in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere or even in Pakistan.
And therefore, they they saw a common front with Iran in confronting the sun. Right? So it said they’re always was this strategic logic that went beyond, and just affinity of faith. Now, Ham hamas, when the arab ring happened, actually sympathize with the Sun world. It broke with Bashar assad, it left Damascus.
It broke with iran. But then under the pressure of Israelis, as particularly, they became more aggressive on settlements, as it looked like the West Bank was gradually being completely squeezed into annexation as there was no hope for Gaza. And then it looked like the world basically forgot about the palestinians. That they basically decided that they needed Iran and his Vol strategic steps. And what brought them together essentially is this idea of resistance.
Resistance is now a more important idea than sec divide.
Speaker 9: So in the 8 or so months since the october of the tax, we’ve seen kind of a range of different kinds of activities by other members of that acts resistance, the who these strikes on. Ships in the Red Sea. We’ve seen strikes by Sham militias and and Iraq Syria on Us and other bases. Hezbollah has been exchanging fire over the Northern Border of, but that’s but I think more restrained than many people feared in the those first weeks after the attacks? As you look at those different activities, what is the kind of theory of the case behind them from an Iranian perspective.
What’s the strategy? And how well has that worked if you’re, , an I commander looking at your performance in the region over the last 8 months or so Are you happy with where things stand and and and how it’s planned your running interest?
Speaker 8: Mean, the short answer is, yes. I think they’re happy, not only Iranians hezbollah Vol, even Hamas is happy. Because, , if you looked at Israel’s firepower, and its ability to inflict pain or hit at target. Inside Your iran or hit Lebanon. , there’s 1 way you can look at this.
That Really still extremely powerful. It has America’s backing It still has the most advanced weaponry still a nuclear powered state. All of those are true. But Ham hamas biggest victory was essentially to shatter, first of all, Israel’s notion of deter. Secondly, it also shattered, the sense of security that is really citizens and public felt.
Behind the iron dome, behind the fences, behind the sort of the way in which the Netanyahu government had portrayed Is 10 feet tall that it could deal with everybody in the region. And so that immediately was a massive victory for Iran and hezbollah poland because their main adversary was diminished. In a way. And in fact, the way Israel reacted underscored that. They saw this ferocity of this israeli reaction, not just as anger and revenge.
But also as a desperation to very quickly restore both deter and sense of security to their population. The third victory for both Ham hamas and the access of resistance was the Palestinian issue immediately came back to center stage. The issue of normalization with the Arab world basically is here and there, but nowhere. And now it’s becoming contingent on a palestinian state. So these are all victories right on October eighth, And then the Iranians and hezbollah vol calculated that the angry Israel that they saw was going to try to destroy Hamas.
And then he was gonna go after hezbollah bull and then was gonna go after Iran. I mean, this was very much even in Israeli rhetoric. That look, , the worst has happened. Now gloves are off, and we’re gonna deal with this security issue around us once and for all. And that’s why they began to sort of try to establish deter with Israeli.
Hezbollah Tried to very early on indicate, don’t mess with us. And then the Iranians basically began… There… A lot of their armenians began attacking from Iraq, sending missiles towards Hai hitting American targets in Iraq Syria Got involved. And all of this was basically to sort of try to contain Israel’s enthusiasm, for finishing the job once sent for all.
So I think the Iranians are now sitting there saying that they didn’t plan October seventh the way it unfolded The expected is israeli reaction, but not the level at which is real reacted, which actually has surprise everybody. But everything that’s happened since October seventh. Now, several months forward has actually not changed the fundamental strategic outcome of October seventh. And Israel, as we’re speaking, does not have a, way in which to get back to where it is, and it’s it’s going into Raf is in fact, risking its relations with Egypt, relations with Jordan, relations with Saudi, And so as the arab gets angry, it means that the arab public is moving in the direction of the access of resistance, which puts pressure on their own governments.
Speaker 9: If you talk to a member of by administration, they will defend their policy since October seventh by focusing on the…
Speaker 0: Okay. I thought that was a sobering assessment of how the conflict in, in, around Israel and Gaza is working out to Iran’s benefit. So thoughtful essay here in The Claire review of books is Israel def def, the cruel geo strategic logic of the Holy, I I still feel all this unnecessary muscular attention from having my stream shut twice being up my third stream for this morning. Also so, it’s so much more technically challenging to do it at live stream over rest stream because then you probably should monitor 6 different. Streams at once, and there are many more things to keep an eye on, which reduces the amount of cognitive processing that you have for what you say.
So bell is often made the the point in my comment section on Youtube that I should do 1 of my relaxed streams where I’m just sitting down talking to my iphone Because then, I don’t have to worry about any other technical qualities. I just talked to the iphone and there’s more cognitive processing power, available to me to make an argument to make a joke. And in… Well notices, , how much tighter I am. When I’m doing something over rest stream.
And through, , Ob stream labs as opposed to just talking to my iphone. And so trying to let go of this unnecessary tension and The quickest way I can usually do this is by adopting the attitude that I don’t know anything. Let go of everything that I think I know that tends to release a little bit of unnecessary tension in my neck and shoulders and back, but I can hear it in my voice. It’s it’s weaker. Because the the more tension I have in my body, like, even additional tension in my ankles or in , around my pelvis or my forehead around my eyes will reduce the quality of my voice.
Long time since I’ve done any la la. This is an Alexander technique, exercise that unlike many breath exercises it begins with the outflow of breath. So Christopher cord rates for the clay review of books. Way expel the breath it allows roof for more breath to come in, and it usually helps you have a stronger voice quality. So israel real def by the cruel, geo strategic logic of the Holy.
And so he talks about how this israeli settlements on the West Bank, a part of a conscious but never written down government policy. So a lot of policies whether in business, in a religious community or in government are not written down, Alright. So it’s part of a conscious Israeli strategy to divide the Palestinian population as to make the mass of force difficult and cons. Right to separate Jerusalem from the Palestinian Hint and to provide the populated area of Israel, with enough strategic depth to minimize the damage of a sudden invasion, like Israel is a tiny nation Right? It has, , very little width certain parts only a few miles across.
And so these jewish settlements in the West Bank. Provide Israel with enough strategic depth to make the state def. And so a def def state in this area. Right? The country is a logical geo strategic unit.
Essentially runs from the river Jordan to the Mediterranean, Alright, from the river to the sea. So on this, hard line, Israelis and Palestinians can agree. So why has Israel consistently shifted to the right over the past 30 years? Because r israel’s is being constantly at war and Israel is becoming a more religious nation. So is Israel is dealing with more more violent threats.
Right? It’s going to become more right wing. If American citizens feel like the United States is dealing with more violent threats. The United States will become more right wing. So if the 20 24 election is fought primarily over the The national defense of America, over issues of crime and illegal immigration and over issues of the economy, right, Donald Trump will likely win.
So for jews who are committed to their religion and to their people in a traditional way. Right? Israel is growing steadily more attractive. The more and more right wing Jews are moving to Israel. So Israel is the red state of world jury.
Now after the October 7 attack, right, when Israeli Were called up, typically 40 percent of plead non availability when they called up in Israel. This time, 130 percent of reserve reported. That is Men not required to go to war, were refusing to leave army officers until they had received a role in this dangerous conflict. So israelis 1 people in a way that Americans are not. Right?
There’s is israeli left and right even at the most hateful. Are competing the patriotic distinction. So Israel faces a challenge that we all face You want to primarily be part of the white world at the risk of losing yourself, your own identity, your culture, your connection to god, your religious identity, but you wanna keep to yourself at the risk of becoming provincial and losing economic opportunity. So the most productive economically productive the parts of Israel tend to be the least religious parts of Israel, while the most religious parts of Israel don’t sort of by and large in the armed forces. So Netanyahu and Yahoo coalition partners have a traditional vision for defending Israel.
It’s all about sovereignty, pro policies, meaning policies and encourage more Jewish births, prayer, commander military strong points, but comes out the risk of isolation and retaliation from the outside world. The most important technological and business and entrepreneurial parts of Israel are overwhelmingly secular, and they are primarily interested in good relationships with other global elites to lead those in the United States. 2 different visions, and both essential for Israel’s welfare. Alright, back to John Mir Shi here,
Speaker 6: and we all know what happened to South Africa. And the question you have to ask yourself is whether or not you think this is sustainable over the long term. And the answer is no. And I think that Israeli leaders are looking for a way out to go back to what I was saying about ethnic cleansing before. I believe that 1 of the principal reasons that the Israelis favor ethnic cleansing is because it solves the apartheid problem.
If you drive the Palestinians out of Gaza, and then you drive the Palestinians out of the West bank. You have a clear majority of Israeli Jews running greater Israel, and you don’t have an apartheid state. The problem you have now Glenn is that they’re are about 7300000.0 Palestinians and 7300000.0 Israeli Jews. And the Israeli Jews dominate the Palestinians. They oppressed they palestinians.
That’s why it’s an apartheid state, and that is a huge problem for Israel moving forward. But that’s only 1 dimension of the trouble that they faced. The other dimension that they fit… The other problem that that face is they’re involved in a war where they are being accused of genes genocide. And where lots of people believe they’re committing genocide.
This is a huge problem. And the problem in very important ways is not gonna go away. Why is that the case? You remember that in 2005, Ariel Sharon, who was no shrinking violet pulled Israeli settlers and the Israeli military Ata ag gaza. And he turned Gaza into a giant open air prison.
And why did he do that? Because he knew the place was a hornet nest.
Speaker 0: Okay. If gaza is an open air prison, that’s 50 percent on Egypt. Alright. Egypt plays a huge role in keeping Gaza imprisoned to the extent that’s true. Right.
Egypt has sovereignty over large part of the Gaza border.
Speaker 6: And the last thing he wanted to do is stay in that hornet nest. He wanted to get out, which he did. Well, if you look at what’s happened, the Israelis are back in the hornet net.
Speaker 0: Right Well, Israel take the cease ceasefire. I don’t know how they can because it means… Hamas 1. Right? Hamas will retain control of of Gaza.
So how can Israel accept that.
Speaker 6: And is there any way of getting out? I don’t see it. If they don’t successfully ethnically cleanse Gaza and let’s certainly hope that they don’t. That means the Israelis are gonna have to run the place. They’re gonna be in the place for the foreseeable future.
This is a disaster for them. The public relations dimension of that alone is going to be at disaster. This problem is not gonna go away, there’ll be more protests on campuses in the fall. And for as far as the Eye can see, as long as the Israelis are in Gaza doing terrible things. To the Palestinians.
Can you tell me how they’re gonna get out there anytime soon? I don’t think so. That means they’re in deep trouble. When you marry that to the apartheid type problem, Israel’s future does not look rosy.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Just on that Palestinian point, at the the South Africa point and the concern about being labeled in apartheid state Because it brought down the minority rule government of South Africa, in part that really did happen because of this activist movement, which found expression in large part on campuses in the west And United States, demanding the the the dives development and sanction and boycott cutting of South Africa, and you’ve seen and I think a lot of people didn’t realize it at the time. A lot of pro Israel, journalists and activists and politicians have been very, very focused on American colleges for a long time. They’ve been talking about what’s going on there. They’ve made it a priority.
They, , were celebrated when they forced out the president of Harvard and penn for insufficient cracking down on anti israel speech. They’ve and after all kinds of logs banning supporters of the boys
Speaker 6: just to back up what you’re saying. First of all, When I was young, and I think this is probably true when you were young too, the mainstream media basically controlled the discourse about Israel. And the lobby and Israel’s supporters had huge influence on how Israel was portrayed in the mainstream media. We now have an alternative media where people speak in an honest way about what Israel is doing to the Palestinians.
Speaker 0: And I think Is right here. Right. The… Narrative about Israel when it was dominated by the mainstream media was much more constrained than now. I’m unaware of any major pun in the mainstream news media who was consistently opposed to the Jewish state and consistently, Taking the side of the Palestinians.
Speaker 6: You’re a manifestation of this phenomenon. And there are lots of other outlets that people can go to where they can get A sense of what really has happened over time in greater Israel and what’s happening today. And this causes huge problems for Israel, and this problem wasn’t present in the past. The second thing you don’t wanna lose sight of is again, when I was young, and it was probably true when you were young, If you came to a university like the University of Chicago or Georgetown University, most of the students were white, right? There were a sma of black students for sure.
But it was a very white campus. There hadn’t been a lot of in immigration and furthermore, there were not that many international students on it.
Speaker 0: Right. So white, Christian Americans are either un concerned about the Middle East or tend to support Israel. Non white Americans tend to be much more anti israel.
Speaker 6: Yep. What’s happened over time is as a result of immigration. The United States
Speaker 0: and the Jewish community by lodge has sided with the coalition of the Fringe against the white Christian corps of the United States against that part of the American electorate that is most pro Israel. So by pushing diversity and immigration, Right? Jewish elite organizations have played a role in these campus protests and decreasing American support for israel, particularly among the young.
Speaker 6: It’s just become a much more heterogeneous society, and you have all sorts of people who come from countries where there’s no real sympathy for Israel. American And you also have lots of international students and very importantly. You have lots of students from the Arab Islamic world. Who come who get educated and who write books of their own who become professors who become the heads of Middle East centers at universities Right? So they in a position to tell a story.
Right? That… Excuse me Glenda. It contradicts the basic Israeli story, about the creation of Israel and what’s going on today. And that message that those people are sending out gets picked up by people like you.
And people like me don’t have to worry about being called by Npr or the New York Times, who have no interest in talking to me because I know that people like you will call me up, and we can come on this show. We can talk about these things and millions of people can listen to us discuss the issue in a rational legal weight. This is a huge problem for the lobby. And by the way, 1 final point. This is why the lobby is going after to tiktok.
Speaker 7: Exactly. I I just wanted to very.
Speaker 0: So the more you’re thinking, Right? The harder you’re thinking. You can’t help but have increased muscular attention. Right? You can’t have a thought.
Without a a ripple of muscular attention. Now, through learning the Alexander technique, you can reduce the amount of unnecessary muscular attention but there will always be a ripple of muscular attention when you’re thinking, the more intense, your cognitive, load, alright, The more tension you will have, which will always play role in your voice. So you can reduce the amount of unnecessary, but there will always be ripples of tension, which is why women in particular is so a astute often at under noticing the the ripple of muscles through through your face and through your body and tend to be more student, , app praising what’s going on with one’s internal life that then do men, know they they pick up on these signals. But it it requires an increase in muscular attention to do cognitive labor. So just as when you’re doing the most intense cognitive labor, you’re burning the most calories, your more likely to sweat and to get tired, and my father who did 2 Phds.
He noted that the absolute maximum, for the amount of time that you can do serious studies is about 6 hours a day because of the cognitive load, and I can just kinda… Here the cognitive load in my voice. Alright. Some good points in the chat by bob A burger is the reason that Israel is so interesting is because it is the exemption to the post war war 2 global order. Where the conquest of new land is illegal yet Israel does it?
Is Israel perhaps providing a blueprint to all the nations The right wing tilt of Israel’s, it’s about identity. It’s about religion. It’s about everything the liberal order supposedly had overcome. So Israel is dealing with war and peace and its own survival. They are facing the destruction of their own nation, the rest of us are browsing the web watching Tiktok videos.
So I just read a thoughtful essay about this by Randall Sc, who I played excerpts of his videos watching Monday and Tuesday this past week. He read an essay. He wrote a book. Back in 20 10 called, una unanswered threats, political constraints on the balance of power. So is essentially asking here, why do nations not react the way offensive realism, the…
Perspective of John Mis. Why do they not react in a accord with its sap so that why a nation’s not expanding when that seems to be in their best interest, particularly in the third world. So the British Empire, according to Winston Churchill was acquired in a fit of absent mind. But usually, when you get an empire when you get territorial expansion that usually advances through a deliberate and collective will to imperial power, through a single mind for expansion shared by both the rulers and the road. So those people who have expanded.
Their their nation usually zealous pursue their expansion is aim. With a strong and unified community behind them, not a weak and fragmented 1. So putting the doctrines of offensive realism, which is John Mis shy worldview. Right, nation states operating within an ana knock environment, States must provide for the means of their own security, and they must advise strategies about how to meet internal and external challenges. So realist will argue that expansion and preventative aggression to gain control over scarce resources, often the best ways of achieving more power and security in the Thomas Hobbes state of nature.
But There been relatively few bids for such territorial expansion since World war 2. This is especially true in the third world. Right? Very few third world states of fought interstate wars, but even in Africa, very few countries have gone to war with their neighbors, fought Alright. The search for continental, a germany is rare in the third world.
It was a common feature of European. Diplomacy under the Habsburg under Louis the fourteenth, Napoleon, Bill, Germany, Hitler Soviet Union and the United States. So why do potentially powerful states such as India, South Africa, China, Nigeria, Indonesia and Brazil? Remain potential regional he demands rather than actual he demands. Though 1 Says China remains a classic example of hope over experience.
Right. Reminiscent of a famous comment about Brazil. It has a great potential and always well. So why have we seen so few wars of aggression in modern times?
Speaker 10: Both, you have to go out and find them? And a lot of times what we’re also seeing is this emotional imma maturity is actually the result of d because of inter generational trauma. So the third reason is, those caregivers experience so much trauma.
Speaker 0: So, well, I take a break. This is a video from doctor Sn 20 consequences emotionally. Immature appearance and tips of to heal. But that just makes me think in many citizens of the Western World who had emotionally and politically immature leaders, who have created base, a life for citizens that has to be much more hyper vigilant because we have less social trust less cohesion because we’ve had such a massive amount of immigration. So apply…
These analyses from the per to the public in the political.
Speaker 10: That they’re un able to use any emotional intelligence tools they have because they are constantly hyper vigilant, exhausted, and dis regulating. Unfortunately, children learn emotional intelligence through secure attachment and social interaction. So if the children are not regularly exposed to situations where they can develop that secure attachment or they can have somebody teach them how to identify their emotions and tolerate them in those sorts of things. They’re not going to develop those tools. And , think about how powerful your anger, your anxiety, your depression can be, and then think about it from the…
Perspective of a 5 year old who has this rush of distressed neuro chemicals and stuff, and it’s just like, oh my gosh. This feels overwhelming. This feels terrifying, and I don’t know how to control it. Help us continue to make practical tools available to everybody by supporting the channel. You can donate any amount at docs nights dot com slash…
Speaker 0: I’m trying to rest and get get my back.
Speaker 10: So let’s talk about the consequences of emotionally immature caregivers. Attachment trauma. Is 1 of the most common things that we see. The child cannot trust the caregivers to sensitive and consistently respond and teach emotion management skills. Sometimes the caregiver may be perfectly regulated and respond in a great manner and be aware and mindful and all that wonderful stuff.
Other times, the caregiver may not be. They may be dis regulated themselves, and unable to respond appropriately. So 1 day, Johnny may come home with a note from his teacher and The caregiver responds calmly and practically and mature. And another time, Johnny may bring that same note home, and the caregiver loses their their ever loving stuff. So it’s important to recognize that that inconsistency is terrifying.
Do I get Jackal? Do I get hide? And, caregivers when they’re regulated or often not malicious aware of or available to their children. They’re having difficulty, managing their own certainly stuff right then. They’re on their own tornado, and it’s hard to reach out and help anybody else without sucking them into that tornado.
This results in 1 of 3 different attachment styles, a avoid attachment where the child is afraid to connect with others because it’s just been so painful so many times. Anxious attachment where the child has sometimes gotten some positive feedback and some comfort and, but other times, not some or disorganized attachment where the child is sometimes avoid, sometimes anxious depends on the person depends on the situation. All 3 of these are considered insecure attachment styles. But when people are insecure attached they have difficulty, in especially in childhood. They have difficulty, feeling saved.
Which means they have difficulty learning new things. They have difficulty getting into their wise mind and developing those coping skills, This emotional imma maturity in caregivers produces insecurity in the child. Which produces a lack of trust and safety in the child, which produces hyper vigilance, which leads to d regulation, an immature responding. When people are dis regulated, they are in their fight flight mind. They are in their stress response.
They are just steep in stress hormones. They are not able to think clearly. They’re not in their wise mind. And in order to respond prematurely, people have to be able to tolerate that distress and get into their wise mind. So these children failed to learn healthy skills.
They fail to learn how to recognize and identify their emotions. , a lot of times it’s just like, hey. I feel bad. I feel awful. I feel disorganized.
Speaker 0: Right. Nothing good happens when you’re in in a state of hyper vigilance, which I I’m probably in because of all my lives rains that are been already shut down this morning. So they couldn’t let go of the unnecessary tension that was constrict me. And constructing my voice. I just took 2 minutes to lay down, put my feet up on the chair, Had 2 pillars.
Behind my my head and just try to let go of this unnecessary tension, and I I feel a little free now. I like, the quality of my voice a little bit more, but frankly, I I blame destiny. For the first time, a week ago, I checked out a destiny livestream. And I was just so impressed with how much, , cognitive of processing power he brought just how quick he was and how much access he had to his emotions to his intellect to to the chat to technical challenges that were going on that I loaded up on the caffeine and the adderall this morning to try to… Know, try to approach that level of excellence that Destiny brings to his live streams and instead, I’ve just driven myself into no excessive emotional tension.
Okay. Back to this great book here by Randall sc came out in 20 10. Unanswered threats political constraints on the balance of power. So he notes that fascism shares many of realism core assumptions about world politics, and views about the nature and the role of the state, but there are 2 significant differences between fascism and realism, fascism, Fascist do not believe in the balance of power, and they activate realist principles with a racist ideology. That will succeed in mobilizing the passions of millions of people.
Now Germany had not attacked the Soviet Union in 19 41 Hitler and Mu may well have accomplished board, but prudent expansions of their states. That they may well have extended. Expanded their states consistent with a real view of appropriate, state interest and behavior because they did not provoke overwhelmingly powerful counter balancing coalition. So a political regime is able to mobilize its community to allocate resources to meet its policy commitments that has broad influence of social activities and social groups Right? Is essentially autonomous from domestic and outside pressure groups.
Political regime that can command compliance from its subjects enjoys the general consent of its citizenry will be less constrained to act in accordance with the dictates of realism. It’s as opposed to a political regime such as United States have, where you’ve got a population that’s incredibly divided. So he argues the aside from the Mexican American War, the Indian American Wars and the Spanish American Wars, Nat States. Grew in territory and power largely through the attractiveness of its political system, which proved so that other Republics voluntarily re their sovereignty, and applied for admission to the American union. If you want to have an aggressive expansion of foreign policy, you required to have a unified state, and Israel has a largely unified state right now.
So if Israel gets into a wider conflict in the Middle East, It may well try to create a wider Israel by pushing out the Palestinians. And if you have a unified state composed of elites, agree on an ambitious grand strategy, a stable and effective political regime with broad authority, then you can pursue more adventurous foreign policy. So realism does not provide a theory of des power. It does not provide an ideology for whipping up national sentiment to wage large scale war there’s nothing about realist creed that would stir the passions of the average citizen in a part of the state, much less that cause them to rise up as 1 without regard to hardship, large scale mobilization campaigns in pursuit of risky and aggressive Expansion usually requires a moral crusade of some kind, which is precisely what realism d decay as a basis for foreign policy, That realism is instead. A cynical and pessimistic political philosophy about why things tend to remain the same why it was conflicts persist.
Why the struggle for power and prestige among states will endure why man cannot hope to be good, but must contend with being not too evil, So At core, realism is a hollow political doctrine. So realism seems logically overwhelming, but it does not provide us with… The basis of action, which is necessary to the pursuit of thought, consistent realism excludes 4 things, which appear to be essential ingredients of all effective, political thinking, a finite goal, an emotional appeal, a right of moral judgment and a ground action. Right. So if you can cloak your interest and your reasons for foreign expansion in the guise of Moral principles.
That is outside of the basis of foreign policy realism. But fascism is offensive realism with a racist and social darwin overlay.
Speaker 11: Adjunct arguments rest on an inference to the best explanation.
Speaker 0: So who can give the best narrative. Right? After the Trump conviction which side will give the best narrative and ab active arguments are often particularly powerful during a time of a national distress.
Speaker 11: The simplest way of thinking about this idea is in terms of why questions. Suppose you tell your friend that someone has a crush on him. And his cheeks turned bright red. Why did that happen? What’s the explanation?
Well the most natural answer seems to be that it’s because he was embarrassed to find out about the crush. That’s why his cheeks turned red. This example can be turned into an productive argument. The premises is, Charlie cheeks turned red after I told him that Lucy had a crush on him. And the conclusion is, so Charlie was embarrassed to learn about Lucy’s crush.
No that the premise doesn’t guarantee that the conclusion is true. Something else might explain it instead. Maybe Charlie was eating a jalapeno and his cheeks turned red because it was so spicy. Or maybe he just got scratched by a cat, and he’s having an allergic reaction If you let your imagination rip, you’ll be able to think of other possible answers to the question, why did Charlie cheeks turn red too. Nonetheless, given your background knowledge, c seems like it’s the best explanation for p or at least it’s a contender.
If it is, then pete gives you good reason to believe c.
Speaker 0: So I’ve reached out to Matt History speaks, but… He has not responded to my dna.
Speaker 11: That’s how productive arguments work. We know that some stuff is true. These are the premises. And reason from that to whatever is the best answer to the question, why are these things true? Our knowledge doesn’t guarantee that the explanation is correct, but that’s okay because arguments aren’t supposed to be deduct valid.
Arguments are nonetheless extremely common in all walks of life. It’s a very important critical thinking skill to be able to make spot and evaluate productive arguments. Think of how a Tv detective of saul a crime. Suppose she knows that the murder weapon was found in Smith’s trunk. Smith doesn’t have an ali Smith had a motive and Smith failed the lie detector test.
The best explanation for all this evidence is that Smith the murderer. And so the detective believes that Smith is the murderer and for good reason. She passes this argument onto the prosecutor. Who uses it to convince the jury to believe its conclusion too. Abduction also plays a crucial role in science, Scientific hypotheses often rest on inferences to the best explanation for some observed data.
For example, that’s how the planet neptune was discovered. In the early 18 hundreds, astronomers noticed small discrepancies between the observed orbit of uranus and the predictions that Newton’s theory of motion made about what the orbit should be. The best explanation for these discrepancies was that they were caused by another planet that no 1 had ever observed. And it turned out that this was correct. There was another planet, which we know is Neptune today that So what makes something a good explanation?
Well, there’s a lot of debate about this amongst philosophers, but here are 2 characteristics of good explanation? That most generally agree about. First, the more an explanation fits in with everything we already know, the better tends to be, Consider another possible explanation for the discrepancies between the observed of uranus and the predictions of Newton’s theory. That Newton’s theory was wrong. To accept the Newton’s theory was wrong, would require giving up on lots and lots of other very good explanations, and so wouldn’t fit very well with what astronomers already knew.
The idea that an uno planet was causing the discrepancies fit much better with they already knew, and so canon is a better explanation. Second, other things being equal, a simpler explanation is better than a complicated 1, Here’s another possible explanation for Charlie blush. Maybe he mis you and thought you said that Penny had a crush on him. And so he’s embarrassed to learn about pennies crush, not lucy’s. This explanation could be right, but it’s needlessly complicated, Since the original explanation is simpler, it’s preferable to this more complex 1.
Both fit and simplicity come in degrees. And other factors are also relevant to how good an explanation is. There’s no surefire recipe for saying when an explanation is the best 1. 1 way to challenge an argument is to try to come up with a better explanation of the data than what the argument provides. Another way to challenge an argument is to look for more evidence to add to the premises.
Suppose the detective also found out that Smith had a very clever nemesis, who had a motive to commit the murder and had been planning to frame Smith for a long time. Then Smith’s being guilty would no longer clearly be the best explanation for all of the…
Speaker 0: Okay. So some of the basics there on inductive argument. Here I was reading an essay sa by Stephen Turner published in Jet 20 24. Talking about Max Weber, the famous German soc archaeologists who died in the 19 twenties and the 2 universities. So Turner says no sooner had the ink begun to dry on publications written celebrate the Centennial Max science as a profession in a vacation.
Right, which came out in 19 19. Then Covid in a series of shocks to the University, especially in the United States changed to the conditions with discourse, Right. These shocks include a dramatic decline in enrollment in college. Right? It was…
An early arrival of an expected decline in students for long anticipated demographic reasons. He had an unexpectedly rapid decline in enrollment in the humanities, notably in history. We have a growing recognition that young men, especially are not choosing to go to college, We have a simultaneous related turn against work University. We have rapidly developing skepticism about the medical research establishment and scientific establishment as a result of certain failures, which I can’t mention without my stream getting shut down on Youtube. The We have the revelation of false narratives that were used to promote public policies.
With the cy silence of the grant dependent academy. We have the intimidation of those who spoke out against the consensus in response to 1 public health threat. We had great price inflation in the spectacle of prominent academic economists minimizing what was part of people’s everyday experience, and we have the ongoing crises of governance and universities, as presidents resign and politicians and donors intervene as if all that is not enough, We have the events of 10/07/2023, which immediately produced what about 27 clubs at Harvard. Producing public statements that the Hamas slaughter of israeli citizens about 1200 Israeli citizens. While it was still going on.
Right? It took the Id. The israeli defense force 3 days to remove mass terrace from Israel. They’re talking till October tenth. But on October 7.
Right, you had this outburst from approximately 27 different clubs at Harvard blaming the Hamas slaughter of Israeli civilians on Israeli policies. And so you had in the words of Stephen Turner outburst of anti zion and pro palestine demonstrations that quickly veer into anti semitic anti western directions. He then had the presidents of 3 elite universities testifying before Congress and giving these loyal, kathleen crafted excuses that were seen as quite hypo about free speech. Right? They were defense students calling for genocide of the jury state.
At the same time, they enforce elaborate regimes, prohibit mis gender and micro and anti racism. Then you had the president of Stanford, right being dismissed for research Fraud, then you had the revelations about the President of Harvard Cla Gay numerous instances of pla and the very low low level of her scholarship was revealed. 700 Harvard Supported her in a petition, but many donors court for her removal and she eventually left. The whole idea of academic freedom was caught up in this crisis. Right.
Certain perspectives on the Israeli Palestinian war. Right, certain opinions were diagnosed as harmful. Just opinions will cause harm. Right? So this is part of the dominant left liberal.
He in universities in the first world that many opinions are now seen as harmful. Right? So We have a woke movement to d legitimate the west and whiteness in the name of anti racism, d gl colonization and resistance to what’s called cognitive imperial incarceration, environmental destruction, all of which is made at the feet of racial capitalism. And so the arab Israeli war is a convenient fit for this 0, some theory of oppression. So every group’s misery is now the result of another group’s privilege and exploitation.
So you have 1 type of speech is promoted, that basically the suffering of all minority groups is the far of white people. And responses to this dominant discourse are punished. Then there was reaction in favor of free speech and academic freedom and became widely accepted that increasingly academics, and people in public life have come to self sensor and to act out of fear to, know, avoid the dislocation of their life, then you have the Us Supreme Court, deciding against affirmative action, then you have universities leading a massive effort to circumvent the ruling and continue affirmative action practices under different terms, in the world science, you have all these retract, conflict of interest issues and financial mis, largely as a result of the metro, research valuation and rewards. So science has become increasingly a big business, and applications for grants, , often try to meet certain metrics and in that attempt Right, They’re they’re usually creating some kind of artificial competition oriented towards payoffs rather than intellectual content. So there’s great.
Financial reward for patents of business deals. At the same time in the humanities and social sciences, employment and academic life has become more precarious So tenure in its freedoms has become rare. So the concept of harm has become the d defect facto value system in American universities to ask where 1 got the authority to pronounce something good or bad was itself help father asserted the authority of the hammer over the harmed, But this denial of authority was selective, only the oppressed or those speaking on them could ever say they were harmed. The Now this perspective never turned into a coherent theory, but that doesn’t mean it was not dominant. So here is an interview With the jolly here, Why civilizations collapse.
Speaker 3: Every rep process pushed to its natural extension. Destroys itself and becomes something new. And so what happens is that you’ve had a period of blood letting which creates a new period of prosperity. In that period of prosperity, the population grows. And afterwards, it it grows, and then afterwards, you see a labor imbalance.
Where capital and labor are constantly competing with the other or they’re in relate relation… They’re in a reciprocal relationship. And then as labor gets cheaper, it pushes the average value of a person’s wages down, and it increases inequality be as capital ability to mobilize labor increases. So you’ve seen a growth in inequality, And then you see competition for the few good elite jobs. And then what occurs is that the elite breaks into sub factions posting each self interest.
For example, in the French revolution, the royal lists versus the Jacob bins. But so
Speaker 12: Why is good. Why is there over promotion of elites in the first place? But how does that price?
Speaker 3: So when you have a society in which there’s not enough when you have a society where there’s not enough good… In in an une society, you have most jobs are terrible in a small amount of good jobs. And thus, people compete for the small amount of good jobs, because there’s a disparity where only a handful of these jobs actually work, and most will leave you in poverty. And so there’s hyper competition for the good positions in the inequality, which is why in our society, for example, their… People are getting college degrees.
And that… Why people are constantly getting Phds and master’s degrees which don’t lead them anywhere because they’re over compensating for a handful of good jobs that don’t exist. And it’s also for example, a major reason why you see diversity and equity jobs because what’s effectively going on there in my opinion or at least a major facet of it. Is that with these diversity and equity jobs, you can throw mirror out the window, and you can hire mostly people of color, But also, the… Pre established elites, they can use the system to put their children in power because they remove merit.
And it’s also a way to hijack the system for leftist idea id logs who would on a purely merit basis not people to get these good positions. And so this society splits partner into different self interests based on certain subgroups of the population. And so In our society, at least in America. I I don’t know if it’s the same in Europe. The breakdown is the college educated versus the non college educated.
Where every single policy the left pushes, pushes the self interest of the college educated.
Speaker 0: Right. Interesting perspective there on the Jolly Here, I need a laugh. So let me play something.
Speaker 13: Matter to you? Black lives matter to you. Do my karen. Fucking white piece of shit. You love fucking Bitch.
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Speaker 0: I nowhere
Speaker 13: Black lives matter. Black lives matter. Black lives matter to you? Black lives matter to you? Do black lives I can’t
Speaker 0: Oh, I needed that.
Speaker 7: And it is interesting because, you, I’ve been… I’ve known you for a long time. We’ve been talking for a long time, but I have absolutely noticed that in the past 2 years. Because of Ukraine and now Israel that you have a massive online falling when you go in our peer on these shows, a lot of people are very interested in what you’re saying, and just that alone didn’t…
Speaker 0: No. That’s not what I wanted to play. Man. Here we go.
Speaker 3: And you look at that for a police. You look at that. Through, economics through, social workers over the over religious leaders. Anything you would look for the left duh is to give the college educated bureau bureaucratic more power, Well, the right pushes the non college educated elite, whether business, military or religious interests. And so what’s happening is that is as the amount of good job shrinks, the the right and the left fight over, will the resources go to the college educated or the non college educated, and the previous historic parallels, like Let’s say, from the fourteenth century, or the fifteenth century is the York and the, Lan cast.
They were different geographic parts of England. The parliament and the royal were capitalist versus landed gen. And across history, you see that there’s different… As time get tough. The population splits in a different sub demographics, that have civil wars to push their group’s interests.
Speaker 12: Right. But what so what would what would be the… So what would be the opposite? When when was there a period where there were enough good jobs?
Speaker 4: And so you.
Speaker 0: So he’ll talk about the 19 fifties. So America… When was probably at its most cohesive and had the highest public trust after immigration, restriction laws were passed in 19 24 so between 19 twenties and the 19 sixties. That’s probably when America had its highest level of social trust. Just watch the documentary series on Amazon 99, about Manchester United travel when they won the Premier league.
They won the Cup and they won the, Europe cup. And they talk about how much fear they had for Alex Ferguson, who was their coach And so why in much of life do you have dictatorship and hierarchy and authoritarianism? Because sometimes it is the most effective way to get things done.
Speaker 4: Calm youth team player match manchester United. It’s a whole different thing. It’s not about years. It’s not about your mom and dad. It’s all about man denied.
Speaker 14: The boss was set in the tone. He was the 1 that was leading the chuck hard. It’s cow here first,
Speaker 4: he had that little cough. And if you’re working in upstairs and your head that you just walked about down.
Speaker 14: My job was to clean the first team bath. There’s 1 day. , the cough came down and we shit ourselves. The place was spot and he literally climbed up, and he put his hand down the back, and he just went dead. And walked out,
Speaker 4: Saturday Mornings. The manager boosted stood up against the window, and he’d be pacing. You’d see him pace up and down. It was terrifying. Terrifying.
Speaker 0: So sometimes you get greater effort out of employees, but terrifying them. Right? The reason that you have, much of business life and sporting life conducted on hierarchical, terrifying authoritarian dictator Lines is because that’s often the best way to get the highest quality effort from employees.
Speaker 14: You could feel them stop. Pinned down the. And when he did have a go he was scared. When I was just sustained he obliterated now. You fucking up shit.
You’ll never play this football again. Who do you think you are? Come into this club. All these players in. You all about you?
Speaker 4: It’s just aggressive if it’s in your face. Well the manager tells if we’re gonna play for me hey. Again, and you believe them.
Speaker 14: The first team fell a million miles away. So that’s another level that’s maybe that’s not for me.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Right. They’re absolutely terrified of their coach. And that seemed to be an effective strategy in competition.
Speaker 3: These happen in rhythm mix cycles where the last good time, in the Western world was the mid twentieth century, where in the mid twentieth century, the Western world at very low political stress because there was no… Because you didn’t have to try that hard. Where if you were a genuinely smart person in 19 55, you could just get a job. And so you’ve sat basically the will to power of inside the population. And you can cal…
I I’ve… For our longest time, I wanted to make an economic metric about can you afford task 3 children in your system? Society. Because I think that’s a very important metric because I frequently say, humans are designed to breed first and be rational later and 3 children is fundamentally what you need to maintain your family’s replication. And we’re in a society where most people can afford dead any children.
And at least with the social standards that we have on the west for quality of life. And and And and so everyone could afford to that to do that in the fifties, and the… And so if… Also, if you go back to… If you wanna go through these rhythm mix cycles, the early eighteenth century was…
Was another good time. The fifteenth fifteenth century was parts of the nineteenth century were depending where you were in the Western world. And so it’s these alternating rhythms between… What is the times
Speaker 12: I wanted it that makes it a good time and that people feel that that the the their desire for strangers is safe
Speaker 3: wage work. Basically, wage work versus cost of living, where if you’re a normal person, you work at the factory, does that or work as the factory or the farm whatever, does that… Can you make enough money to support a family comfortably and not be on the edge of survival, where Peter Tu work. He’s analyzes up 20 different variables and a lot of these variables are contiguous across different historic time periods. So for pay the reason.
Speaker 12: The reason the reason why in the fifties, you were better able to do that than you are now is because, is because the standard living… The the the desired material stand was lower. Most people didn’t go on holiday abroad or gone on holiday at all. All of these things that we can we consider to be essential. Know, large materialistic christmas.
I mean, most chicken was something that was exclusive.
Speaker 0: You So when I talk to Orthodox jews who say spend 55000 dollars per child send them to an orthodox day school. Right? They often don’t get to take these overseas vacations. Right? They have to cut down on all other expenses because they they put their orthodox jewish identity first.
Speaker 3: Do every day. There’s an here in that luxury items became cheaper. But quality standard living stuff became more expensive. And church is a great example of this. And…
I likely get holistic variables as well as normal stuff like housing, where housing health care university, food oil. All the basic essentials were incredibly cheap in the fifties. And also, we’ve seen a push against labor, vis vis capital, where the supply for labor has exceeded capital by 40 by 40 percent over the last 50 years. And this has occurred for a significant amount of reasons, whether, whether the, supply of for an immigration, women entering the workforce, automation, globalization. The elites have done every single thing they could do to lower the value of labor.
Because of course, they… It’s inside their direct self interest. And and and so… And and you…
Speaker 0: So Donald Trump was the first American… President in 50 years to substantially increase the the wages and the income, now the least educated Americans, that those were just high school education, those without a high school education. So all the lower levels of American wage earners enjoyed substantial increase in income under Donald Trump. For the first time since the 19 sixties. So In general, in California, for example, construction, wages are at the same place they were in the 19 sixties.
Have you guys seen that Japanese series that’s on Netflix court extremely inappropriate. Alright. It’s about going this Gym teacher who’s living in 19 86 on He bought this bus, and he’s transported into 20 24, and he shocked at the low wages, the high prices, and the political correctness. So I think this series is called extremely inappropriate.
Speaker 3: You can look at a bunch of other proxies behind that besides that where Tu has developed at 20 different metrics to compute rough well living, and you can see variables like average height, which even among white people has been in decline. Average age of marriage, amount of sleep people get. Rates of obesity, and rates of debts of the despair, And I like looking at the marriage rates and the deaths of the despair rates because it’s impossible to look into someone’s soul. But you can find various metrics to determine their general well being. And at the same time, if, it doesn’t really matter how some…
How poor someone actually is, what matters in the soc level is how poor they believe themselves to be. Where I went to Egypt 2 years ago. And egyptians are far poorer than Americans, but they’ve relatively done better than they were 30 years ago So Egyptians are happier as a… They’re happier with the port they have because it’s…
Speaker 0: Alright. Let me just play a little bit from the New York Times here. About the show you can find it on Netflix extremely inappropriate
Speaker 15: Show that makes young Japanese pine for the inappropriate 19 eighties. About This article is by Mat Rich and Q No toy and read by an automated voice. The younger generation has frequently called out Japan’s entrenched elders for their casual sexism, excessive work expectations and unwillingness to give up power. But a surprise television hit has people talking about whether the old might have gotten a few things right, especially a some in Japan like their counterparts in the United states and Europe. Question the heightened sensitivities associated with woken.
The show extremely inappropriate features a foul taught fucking Crotch physical education teacher and widowed father who boards a public bus in 19 86, Japan and finds himself wished to 20 24. Fucking He leaves an arrow when it was perfectly acceptable to span students with baseball bats, smoke on public transit and treat women like second class citizen. Landing in the present, he discovers a country transformed by cell phones, social media, and a workplace environment where managers obsessively monitor employees for signs of harassment. The show was 1 of the country’s most popular when its 10 episodes aired at the of the year on Tb, 1 of Japan’s main television networks. It is also streaming on Netflix, where it spent 4 weeks as the platform number 1 show in Japan.
Extremely inappropriate compares the show era, which stretched from 19 26 to 19 89, the rain of Japan’s wartime emperor, Hiro he to the current era, which is known as Re and began in 20 19 when the current emperor Ne he took the throne. And
Speaker 0: So who doesn’t love a 19 eighties party. Alright. I mean, 19 eighties it seems like an American Golden age compared to the current d dystopian, and I’m consciously using d dystopian in a very exaggerated way.
Speaker 15: Both the writer and executive producer are 50 something generation. Ers, whose nostalgia for the more free wheel bubble years of their youth perm the Did comedic drama, whose characters occasionally break into mad cap musical numbers. Not so subtly, the show also comments on the evolution toward more inclusive and accommodating offices. Car them as places where work is done because of strict overtime rules, and employees apologized repeatedly for running a foul of compliance rules. If Such portrayal strike a chord in Japan where there have been complaints often expressed on social media about political correctness being used as a club to restrict express or to water down television programs or films.
Part of what fans have found refreshing about extremely inappropriate is how unrest the portions set in the show Arr. While critics have called the series retro grade, some younger viewers say the show has made them questions social norms they once took for granted and wonder about what has been lost. Writing for an entertainment oriented web publication, Rio Ot suzuki 25 said that been series must have left many viewers thinking inward that the Show era was more fun. She was initially shocked by some of the 19 eighties behavior it depicted, she wrote. In an interview, Miss Oat…
Speaker 0: So a lot of my peers are absolutely convinced that the time we grew up 19 seventies 19 eighties was… Much more fun.
Speaker 15: Z said she was glad not to have grown up in the earlier era after seeing sexual harassment and extreme disciplinary measures portrayed as so normal back then. But she also wondered if people then felt more empowered to make their own choices. She pointed to a television variety program depicted in the show where young women c in skim outfits and compete to let their nipples slip out of their shirts, while a male host crawls between their legs making sexually suggest of comments. At first, Ms O suzuki recoil from it. In the end though, she decided that if the stars realized that their bodies are their tools and wanted to use them for entertainment, then she could accept the variety shows approach.
Ka S, an arts critic who was a teenager in the 19 eighties said she loved extremely inappropriate. She particularly appreciated how the series illuminated the chilling effects of today’s tighter policing of workplaces. Everyone is just playing a game to see who can be the least offensive person that ever walked the Earth, Miss S said, everyone just exchanges pla and ana entities because they are afraid to say anything. Surely, that cannot be good for a workplace. The show pays homage to back to the future, the classic movie about a 19 eighties era teenager, played by Michael J Fox.
Who travels back in time to the 19 fifties of his parents adolescence. In extremely inappropriate, the point of view is primarily that of the parent traveling to the future, each year, played by the Japanese character actor Sad Abe is Some other characters, including a feminist soc and her teenage son, travel back in time, while Rebellious teenage daughter spends an episode in the future, getting to know a television producer and single mother who struggles to balance her work and personal life.
Speaker 0: Right. That’s the show on Netflix from Japan court extremely inappropriate. Right. Interesting discussion here. With the jolly Her, why civilizations collapse at the dust.
Speaker 3: Parents had. Well, Americans are vastly wealthier than Egyptians, but our expectations are higher. And in America, you’ll… If you pull a third world or pull up pre industrial and keep 6 kids in a 1 room house. And, like, to have a single pair of codes for them, the police will be called on you.
Like, you’re you’re kid at taken away. Or you’ll be socially out casted at the very least. And so it’s the perceived the perceived economic utility of the people in the society versus what their expectations are.
Speaker 12: I see. I see. I would like to address something briefly. In many of my videos, I talk about our evo backgrounds sent off. Yep.
My parents are of a school teachers, and they bought their house for, about double a teacher’s salary. In in 19 32. And the teacher’s salary is now has now probably doubled since then, but the house has gone up but, , sort of 6 fold. So so it it it’s it’s you can’t. There’s no way that the 2 school features teachers these days could could buy that half
Speaker 0: So on a rational empirical basis, obviously, there are plenty of ways that life is better at today than was in 19 eighties and there are ways that it’s was. Otherwise, it’s not clear, depending on your your politics and your predisposition. Alright? You you’re gonna be better suited for 1 environment or another. Okay.
I put in the title. Right. Today showed decoding the Trump conviction Ukraine, Israel Science. Liberal, the academy. Did not say anything about Ukraine today, but, might as well live up to should liberal, die, play a few excerpts from discussion here between boat Wine and Noah carl on…
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Speaker 16: Yeah. Yeah. So Maybe the group prefers
Speaker 4: to be smaller, Holden to see things
Speaker 16: not exist. Yeah. Yes. Right. I I agree.
So, like, when we’re attributing intentions to groups, It’s it’s a it’s a tricky business. And and perhaps 1 would say it’s…
Speaker 0: Well, it’s not it… Tricky business if you are used to a group orientation, Alright? If you come from Korea, China or Japan, or you’re an orthodox you, you would understand being part of a group that puts group interest first.
Speaker 16: 1 is guilty of like, some kind of rhetoric lender domain to to speak this way. I don’t exactly think so because I still think groups replicate themselves in the same way that individuals we are in the same way that ideas do. So I think we could speak about… The interests of ideas and some ideas replicate but better than other ideas, and, of course, Falcon called this a meme, which is become itself. A meme.
I’m not saying I said skype for an entire… To an entire meme theory. But I think it’s possible enough, , useful way to talk. I think the same applies to groups. So, yeah, maybe all of the individuals want the group to perish.
That would still be bad for the group. If when we’re thinking of it from the group’s per perspective, it would be a bad thing if it stopped existing.
Speaker 4: I mean, but that’s that’s just based on an assumption. It’s not based on any kind of evidence concerning the the reveal or stated reference of the group.
Speaker 0: Well, obviously, most members of a group would prefer the group. Keep
Speaker 16: sample that you could speak of the interest of a sports team. And that sometimes the interest of the sports team contradict the interest of individual players on the team.
Speaker 4: What would be an example?
Speaker 16: So for for… What we’ll take basketball, maybe you’re not as familiar with it, but I think it works. It’s the easiest 1 for this. So in basketball, perhaps you would say, okay, a player would like to score as many points as possible. It increases as stats that might lead to a bigger contract.
But maybe he starts taking shots that are more inefficient. And so the team would like him to stop taking shots because the team’s interest is in winning, not in getting a big contract next year. So in that way, the team’s interest are somewhat contradictory to the individual’s interest.
Speaker 4: I see. Wouldn’t it make a sense to say that the other players interests? So
Speaker 0: So I’m just thinking back to the excerpt from Christopher Cord essay that I was reading about Israel in its settlement. So There was a long exhaustive thoroughly reported New York Times Sunday Magazine essay on the bad behavior of Israeli settlers, but I don’t believe that survival. Right? The survival of Israel was once mentioned in that peace, So it’s… This piece is a product of the liberal world where the most important thing is the individual and the individuals in ina rights, But what about the survival of the group?
So from the perspective of this New York thai piece, it’s the ill liberal behavior of West bank settlers. That threatens the survival of the jury state. But what about having a a state that is very difficult to defend without your settlements on the West bank. Right? That didn’t come up.
So these pragmatic questions of survival Right? Don’t seem to figure often in the liberal world. And so that states would pursue policies. That it can’t write down that it can’t publicly defend, but that it pursues unofficially because it’s in their survival best interest it doesn’t usually get a fast shake in the liberal perspective. But, obviously, it seems to me I guess I’m a nationalist.
I’m a tribal list. Right I understand why many people and many groups would put their highest priority on survival. And if it enhances Israel’s survival, for example, to take control of Gaza and to maintain robust settlements on the West Bank then even if Israel can’t justify these policies officially. Right? I I would expect Israel or any state, to pursue its best interests and its survival over conformity to a liberal worldview.
Speaker 4: Well being… Over oversee by…
Speaker 16: I I think I I would be happy enough to go that route probably. I think my onto oncology includes groups. III actually think I’m a dark highway in that sense And that I I really do think there’s something called it’s, like a social fact, which is different from the in… And irr to the individual sense technologies of the members of that group. Nevertheless, I’m I wouldn’t…
I’m not dogma about that. And I don’t think it matters that much as long…
Speaker 4: But I , Ukraine wants to fight. That’s because it’s in Ukraine interests to defeat the Russians. Seems to me a very misleading statement, rather certain number of individuals in Ukraine, you 1 to fight certain number of…
Speaker 0: Yeah. So this is an excellent rejoin to the group perspective.
Speaker 4: Individuals are being cons constructed, some much any of those individuals don’t want to fight in the actively fleeing or being arrested for their defiance. So that that kind of statement can be profoundly misleading Think.
Speaker 16: Yeah. And in fact, that’s a point that Lean makes in the dialogue, which is that talking about group interest is often, like a a kind of degenerate into a kind of, cha romantic, whereby the nation becomes the most important thing and its interest are more valuable than individual interest I guess what I would say just to put my final point on this and unless you wanna continue on it. I I think of it as, like, a traffic down. So, like, if you think of a traffic down, Yes. A traffic jam is composed of individual cars and in some sense, you might say, well, the individual cars are what’s real.
Nevertheless, a traffic jam is an emergent phenomenon, an emergent property of, a bunch of vehicles at the same time trying to do something or whatever. And if we wanted to understand the world, and we’ve removed all talk about traffic jams, it would be very difficult to describe what happens on the highway at Russia
Speaker 4: Yeah. So it’s it’s a useful shorthand.
Speaker 16: Yeah. And the
Speaker 4: main of human communication. But Yeah. As philosophers… We we need to be careful about, , separating utility from accuracy.
Speaker 16: Well, so I’m… I this might be a difference in our respect of philosophical commitments because I’m an onto p. So what I would argue is that, ultimately…
Speaker 0: Okay. Press 1 in the chat if you are an onto p. I mean, I gotta be honest. I am afraid to walk the streets to Beverly hills these days because of the threat of these ro bands of… Onto p.
Very scary characters. Stephen Turner wrote a terrific essay published in a 20 21 board court pandemics, politics and society critical perspectives on the Covid 19, like crisis, any he quotes from David Brooks, said this in 20 20. Aside from a few protesters and a d depressed president Trump, Most of us have understood we need to suspend the old individual American creed. In the midst of a complex epidemiological disaster to be anti authority is to be ignorant. So in the name of an emergency, real or imagined, right all our rights can be taken away.
So who decides when we’re in a state of emergency? Right? The sovereign. And if the sovereign or the governor of a state? Can declare an emergency and have the state enforcement apparatus, support that declaration and citizens by large fall in line, then the sovereign, the the governor.
Right? He he is sovereign. Right? He decides what’s law and what what rights we are allowed to have. So Thomas Hobbes had this famous line.
It is authority, not truth. That makes the law. And if you can make the argument that the experts tell us that we’re in a state of emergency then you essentially have rule by experts, and the experts have decreed, that many traditional rights that we have to freedom of assembly freedom of worship, alright, to be taken away. And I by and large, in retrospect agreed with most public health measures to combat Covid. But I I still want to be clear that the in vacation of a state of emergency real or imagine can take away or all out rights.
So in the perspective that David Brooks gave, at, you, essentially truth and authority 1, truth and expertise are 1 to be opposed to the experts. To be opposed to our governing class, and is not merely to be a rebellious or to be independent, It means that you are ignorant.
Speaker 16: The onto oncology that allows us best to describe the world is real. And if that includes the entity group then Sylvia.
Speaker 4: But I would say that while in the case of the traffic jam it. Doesn’t impede our understanding made and help it in a case of it’s something like conscription during award actively and impede our understanding and it. Yeah. That the the group does need to be reduced to its individual elements. Proper.
Speaker 16: A fair. That’s a fair point. Yeah. So you would argue that in some sense to actually distort our understanding.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, the the thing that makes an entity have interest is surely the fact that it has a an individual consciousness.
Speaker 16: No. I don’t I don’t agree with that. Because then you would say, like, I think it makes perfect sense to say trees have interest or frogs have interest. I don’t know if frogs have consciousness.
Speaker 4: I would concede to get back to your essay. So just, , don’t time.
Speaker 16: Humans are born utterly dependent on other people. And their very sense of self in fact, is created by their relations with other people. And just to give… What’s the most obvious example language. So I I happen to believe that to have any kind of consciousness, , worth talking about, you would need, a symbolic awareness and symbolic awareness comes through language.
Language is a system that you’re born into, you you have to learn. So in that sense, you’re… I mean this is actually, like, very structural list and then post… Referrals or post modern but rather. But still, I think it’s possible enough that that language is an exist…
It’s a system that pre any individual and an individual without language is not really an individual So, , the the proverbial person born on a desert island who never learns a language, the, wild child as it were… Would not have a kind of consciousness or identity that we would recognize. As fundamentally human. The person…
Speaker 0: Okay. Back to this, Steven Turner ka analysis, so… Eyes What is normal and who decides when we’re in a normal or abnormal or a disaster? Alright. So from David Brooks perspective, like scientific experts decide when we’re in a state of emergency.
Alright. So what creates this distinction between the normal when you can have legal norms. And the abnormal situation in which you have a suspension of the legal order, that the suspension of the normal legal order is necessary to preserve the state. So in this moment, right, we see the naked state, the state in the actor being itself without the drapery of superficial justification. Right?
When the police come to Quell Riot, we see the naked state. The normal rules are suspended, orders are given and they are enforced by direct physical violence and this has continued until order is restored, but this suspension of the normal rules tells us about the normal that the normal is the absence of an emergency. The absence of a riot, the possibility of even an emergency or the possibility of a riot is always present. So the normal cannot be relied upon to perpetuate itself. Right?
Democracy is now gonna perpetuate itself purely with democracy because democracy will encounter challenges that will are up and and destroy a state unless a democracy moves to a different system of government. Right? The exception, the state of emergency serves to do what the normal rules fail ought to do. Right? In a crisis, the normal rules are not sufficient.
Right? To keep order. Right? So you’re in a state of exception. So you need rule by decree or by order.
So what are the conditions of normality and what are the conditions of the emergency? So in the United States, the state of emergency is usually done through a complicated series of indirect administrative means, get advisory letters. Which say we do not need the normal processes for rules. You have these little exceptions. You have the expansion or discretionary powers.
So public health officials in each county of California have enormous power. Right? You’re the head of public health in each of California. 58 counties, you can shut down pretty much any business or any social gathering if you believe we’re in a state of emergency. And Covid gave us a state of emergency and what it revealed is the power of experts.
So there is a tri Relationship here between expertise, the state and the public. And in this crisis, the relations were clear, governments relied on experts, who I believe would generally correct, at least 80 percent correct. Right? On the need for lockdown, the need for a social distancing, and the need for vaccines. Right Then the experts have legitimacy, apart from their formal roles, right, the public accepts their rule or state authority is called in to demand behavior that conform with state authority.
Right? The experts depend upon the state to enforce their pronounce and to recognize them as ex experts. It takes experts to tell us who experts are. Right? You only know who the experts are because other experts say that their experts.
So in normal circumstances, this 3 legged stall of the state, the public and the experts is stable and invisible. Right, The public feels secure in the discretionary powers of the state and the policies are being carried out in accordance with both expert knowledge. And the rules of the game. And usually experts are face list and they are unknown to the public and their disagreements and the precarious an often dubious nature of their expertise is not known, so your have a relationship of trust and the state, and the experts pretend to rule in the interests of the people. So you have this hidden relationship between the public, the experts and the state.
Alright. The public does not revolt against the state in no more times. The experts do not denounce the state, and the state does not def defend the experts or restrict them. Right? The public does not.
Yes believe the experts, the state or the mass media. The experts in turn do not directly deny what the public knows. The state does not directly assault the public or deny its competence to judge it. So in a crisis, the store becomes unstable. Right each leg has its own destabilizing tendencies, which become apparent only in crises.
Right. The public is a myth that gets represented to itself into the state by the news media. Right? The state? Has a lu complexity.
It is barely intel, except when it acts, and its acts are usually ins incredible by design, and expertise by definition is a mystery to those who do not possess it. Their pandemics and epidemics are frequent occurrences and there are normal procedures for dealing with them. But what works in a normal procedure is not gonna work in a state of emergency, So medical knowledge is far short of scientific knowledge. Right? Medical knowledge is constantly adapted to individual circumstances and it’s always short a full understanding of a complex biological process.
In observational epidemiology, cases even more distant. This difficult. Right? This is standard social science causal modeling with statistics and the usual problems of con confounded and multiple causes. So this field has been in a crisis for decades.
So we often saw during recent public health emergency that many other pronounce of the public health officials were wildly inaccurate. How do you preserve trust? Right? Normally, disagreements are ed privately and they are dealt with? Right?
You have bureaucratic in fighting in the background? Some voices get a larger say than others. So the normal process of expertise and government is done silently. Right. When the system works, right, descent among experts is suppressed.
But behind these organizational nice lies the reality of Patron. So we have a court case after the Katrina disaster. An obscure engineering researcher at Louisiana at State University criticized the Army corps of engineers, which was responsible for the levy that failed and flood much of the city of New Orleans, and he criticized the Army corps for its errors, the university, encouraged by its own professors had the researcher at fired. Right? The case went to court was eventually settled with the payment to the researcher, but It’s the issue that’s important.
Right? The researchers criticisms were judged by the university professors. As making precarious its government funding. And so we have a similar situation with the Cdc. Right?
The Cdc hands up millions and billions of dollars in grants, if you criticize the Cdc. Alright? It’s gonna place your funding in doubt.
Speaker 16: Would simply lack those qualities.
Speaker 4: Seems like a strong claim. I’m not sure I would agree with that.
Speaker 16: Far the bold 1.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. If I… If I if you went foreign in country, and he didn’t have a phone with Google translate with you. Or or a, , a guide book with a list of popular phrases.
You could presumably still get by. You kind of, , you would use gestures And, , you’d say, if you wanted at the time you’d pointed your wrist and things like that. I you can still communicate in a in a very primitive way. Should mean language or do you mean all communication?
Speaker 16: Well, I mean, all symbolic communication. So if you were the only person in the world, I I don’t think he would develop symbolic consciousness. Symbolic consciousness as Michael Tomas and other people have argued. It obviously, our brains are prepared to develop symbolic consciousness, but it actually requires interaction with other symbolically conscious agents namely other humans. So and and…
I mean, obviously, it’s incredibly difficult because you can’t do a randomized control experiment where you put people away and you prevent them from having any interaction with other humans, but there are some… Quite unfortunate cases of people who have lived virtually without human interaction, and they seem to have intelligences and consciousness that are so foreign into our own that we really can’t even comprehend them.
Speaker 4: Okay. So close 1 accepts that line of argument. It seems to a bit of a leap to then say that it’s a distortion to call the the individual with his own consciousness the you of analysis in society. I mean, is it is then the language group, the unity of analysis?
Speaker 16: I I guess the f claim would be that the the the the family, and then the community that that they are at actually more real than any individual that you would pluck out. So so I’m trying to think of, like, the best… Yeah. So if that’s the case. If if it’s the…
Because I think people are… That this, I do agree with. I’m not even trying to be sympathetic people 5 0 here. I think people are ignorant for obvious reasons, of how much of their own… Sense of self and their own interest, etcetera.
Their own beliefs about the world are predominantly caused by their cultural contacts. And this is 1 of my objections to the the notion of authenticity and being yourself or whatever, like, yourself is a creation of, it’s an interaction between, , biological predisposition in and your culture. I mean, there’s no such thing as, like, in authentic self, that would be the same in the year 4000 Bce that it is now. Right? So in that sense, if we wanna understand…
Like, say a person, take we take 1 person. We’re, okay, we wanna understand Martin Luther. We really can’t do that. And we… Unless we understand the context which martin Luther became a conscious being and what he was rebelling against, etcetera.
I guess, that would be that that would be, I would be willing to to defend that. I I wouldn’t go as far as phil. Personally, In
Speaker 0: So in the first few months of 20 20, the centers for disease Control and anthony Fauci, failed to recognize the severity of the covid virus. Large part for reasons intrinsic to the problem of detection, the limits of scientific knowledge available. And the need to make judgments about it. So the founders a public health medicine have declared that it is part science, part art, So in other words, it’s part science pass gaps work. Okay.
So the Cdc asserted exclusive power of the provision of… Covid detection kits at the beginning of the crisis, and then it developed kits, which were 40. Because of contamination in manufacturing. So the kits were found to be 40, by another powerful agency, the food and Drug administration. So this embarrassing failure led to the loss of the control of the Cdc over the…
Process and to open expression of dis trust of the work of the Cdc by Deborah Books. So with this failure, you got public disputes between experts. And in contrast to past pandemics. Right? You had the facade of unified expert agreement ripped apart.
So now you had a diverse expert opinions add. Different policies around the United States were adopted. Different policies in different countries were adopted. So what was usually kept, private was made public hence the naked state. Yet, private foundations entering the fray of their own programs and their own research agendas.
Yet had recommend patients such as for masking, given and withdrawing and given again. He had projections made and failing to be fulfilled. Yet had politically volatile, directions, which revolved around the availability of ventilators, which were thought to be crucial for care, but turned out to be not particularly helpful if not deadly. You had all sorts of departures from the normal revealing the operation of the naked state. Right?
The pandemic, Demanded immediate answers, not something that the science system normally delivers is particularly true for the medical science system. The science has an elaborate system of social control, Usually operates with motor redundant mechanisms or designed to produce conformity. Right? The peer review system for grants as 1. It’s closely connected with status hierarchy.
Educational hierarchy, with the degree system, the certification licensing, system, various bureaucratic systems and protocols, including the institutional research boards, which approve research and privacy protocols for human subjects. You have drug approval agencies, which normally demand years of testing in cy length application for approval. So the whole system particularly of publication usually depends upon peer review and is often quite slow, cy Now all the systems get challenged in the crisis. Yeah. Pre prints and un papers getting published.
You have clinicians and outsiders the medical research hierarchy presenting research results without the usual barriers. Retract became common. Yet important figure such John Medical statistician, permitting certain pieces of research, and then getting savage in the elite press, they’re taking funding from right wing sources. So the dirty Linen science was exposed to public view along with the clashing claims and opinions of many different scientists, Then you had an effort to suppress views that differed from the elite scientists. So science became naked political.
Yeah, 2 studies appear in major journals, the Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine. Supporting the contention that the familiar notably safe anti malaria drug that Donald Trump touted was in fact unsafe and useless. And so research into this drug was immediately halted. Public statements were given by official agencies, then it turned out the articles which had being rushed into print without review, without availability of data, and we kept priority and kept secret the data was, alright, at least in 1 case, had to be embarrassing retracted and then these retract were presented as exceptions. So you had retract, shut research.
And the use of data and research to advance interest that were not necessarily aligned with the public interest. So the leg of expertise in this dual failed. Right? Expertise needs a facade needs to hide or prevent disagreements among the experts. Right?
These disagreements are normal, but they usually kept from becoming public. So instead, You had a choice of policies driving the choice of experts. You had governments who impose draco recurring lockdown downs appealing to. 1 set of experts who gave the most dire predictions. Then those predictions failed.
So you then had experts who predicted a second wave. The government governors who opted to reopen their state appealed to a different set of experts, who rejected the first experts predictions on the basis that there was insufficient high quality evidence to support the interpretation of the disease that the lockdown depended on. That’s And then the differences of Covid severity between states also reflected the severity of the outbreak there and the location. So 2 thirds of the deaths occurred in a geographically small portion of the country most heavily in New york City in environments. And in the rest of the country at large proportion of the deaths were in Nursing home.
So you had in real time dramatic expert failure, so the expert leg of the store cannot bear the weight and it shifted to the other 2 legs. And the whole illusion of expert. A political was destroyed. Right? The experts shows sides in the public and the politicians chose experts who fit their preferences.
Then you had the frequent failures of prediction, and inconsistencies in the claims made by Covid experts and politicians that were instantly recorded and monitored on the web.
Speaker 16: But I think he makes a provocative case. I guess. That’s how I would put it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Because you… You… He you then say writing as, I think f that communities are real because they proceed and indeed produce individuals. But this seems like a something that could be con inconsistent with the strong versions of, like, hereditary ism or at least or sort of hereditary.
Informed view of the world.
Speaker 16: Well, that’s interesting because I think. Yeah. So so I don’t think you have to, like, reject to accept that view because what you would say is, like, okay, if if we’re looking at variance within the community, we can look at genes, but all all genetic analysis sort of accepts the mil you as a given?
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yes, sir. So… Yeah. That has to be individual her statistics, refer to a specific time in place.
Yeah.
Speaker 16: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So what? The hereditary f would say that.
Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But was an example of a case where a liberal policy would would implement a policy. That would lead to bad consequences so insofar as it have wrongly cons through the individuals the unit of analysis where it should have cons constructed the group as the unit of analysis.
Speaker 16: No. That’s an excellent question because that gets to, like, how much is this actually practically important and how much of it is just this kind of book ish debate about philosophy? I think a lot of it is bullish, which is okay. I mean, it’s funded to debate last intellectual like to to think about these things. Nevertheless, I do think it has practical consequences or applications.
So the idea, for example that the individual is in the best sort of position the privileged positions to make decisions about his or her own life. I think somebody coming from f perspective would argue that that’s a that’s a distortion of reality. And that, in fact, individual freedom is sort of an epi phenomenon. And not only that, but because individuals own, like, prop propensity and and and desires are somewhat created by the culture that they inhabit. We we should think a lot about what our culture…
What kinds of desires our culture is creating. And and, in fact, this would lead to a anti liberal, criticism of consumerism, for example. Perhaps, like, you could take this position, you would say, because, like, the Well, let’s pick the extreme libertarian position on this, which I find baffling, but it’s essentially advertising doesn’t create any kind of desire. Rather what it does is it gives people information about products. That would be the extreme.
I’m not saying many libertarian hold that, but I’ve definitely talked to a libertarian or 2 who thought that was the case. So that’s extreme libertarian this zone. I think the extreme, like, economic progressive would say advertising literally creates, like, sort of out out of the abyss of nothingness as it were totally new desires, which humans maybe have never had before.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But we did not evo to be gullible. So I’m I’m suspicious about the vast nefarious qualities of advertising. Right. Why?
Civilizations turn to dust. Let me play a little.
Speaker 3: Where, for example, 1… As of now, the Us government, it… The Us government’s pushing all this artificial money into the economy to maintain social stability, but at the same time, that ends up in places like the stock market or real estate, which well where’s the quality of life for normal people. But as to get to your question, I believe there a couple important similarities between the French revolution and the modern Western world. I think especially South America, in that it always S you don’t realize that you have a ruling class in which is completely disconnected from the populace, and pretty stupid.
And they don’t comprehend that there is this giant demographic of young men, who are basically incapable of achieving the things that they want for life and the elite ritual humiliate them in every way possible. But in America at least, the demographic that’s that is being put down by the society is exceptionally well armed. And if you look at red versus Blue America, conservative America, it has the military, the police, the gun owners, veterans, it has all the natural terrain, and in the geographic majority of the country, And so it always shocks me to compare how the… Any elites just completely disconnected from. I’m having
Speaker 12: sorry Haven’t never made lot of to the police vocal rectify the off. Me and and and and and infiltrate it with ideas. So they haven’t they.
Speaker 3: In the in the military in the Us, the… Me the upper brass of the military has been crucified, well, the ranks themselves tilt conservative. And it’s it’s comparable to the French and the Russian revolutions, where before those conflicts, the top ranks of the military were royal, while most of the soldiers were pro revolutionaries. And and so when the revolution started, people listened to their kernels who… Agree with them and identifiable, not to the generals or admiral.
And the the other thing is that in America, young men tilt 2 or 3 to 1 conservative to progressive. So young men are most of the fight… In wars, young men are the ones who fight. So if young men as a general tilt conservative, That means you have a massive imbalance of force. And just on a practical level, the left thinks, masculinity, mil, hierarchy, discipline, using force are moral wrongs, and it it’s hard to have a war when you think all these things are morally objection.
Speaker 12: Well, but they they were they were prepared to go in and physically arrest for the January sixth protesters and and that’s something thing put. I mean, that’s using force.
Speaker 3: It’s… 1 of my friends Kurt Doo Little has… He I think he’s 1 of the most important things of our time, and he’s has developed this whole theory of the left is toxic femininity and. And he’s… It’s really brilliant.
And 1 of the points he makes is the last main strategy is beating into Hazard. The left acts in a coat, in an a a covert way to try to trigger the right to do something dumb so that it can then use legal force today the right is dangerous and wipe up the right. And In a situations, the left is willing to use force on a minimal basis in order to ensure their power yet on a larger scale they fold. Where, for example, they won’t the home was from city centers, or, how do you orchestrate a military operation among leftist. No 1 in there, no 1 in their…
They don’t have anyone in their coalition who fight, except ethnic minorities, and I can’t really imagine woke, woke commanders organizing black soldiers. It’s just too much of a cultural difference. And And there’s no part of the left ideology that allows them to inflict a lot of to actually use force upon their enemies.
Speaker 12: Yeah. And I suppose they they use things like financial punishment and
Speaker 0: Okay. Let me go back to this discussion. Liberal. The Main speakers by Wei god and its inter is now a call.
Speaker 16: So I I think this actually is a case where it it does depend on one’s… View of the fundamental unit of society If you think individuals are these sort of autonomous agents with the nature that pre culture, you would be quite skeptical of the the claim that advertising could create new desire.
Speaker 0: Right. So I think generally speaking on the right, there’s more of a group and. Orientation while on the left, you have more of an individual orientation, but then then certainly communism and socialism is very corporate and not individual. So I’m not sure that idea stands up.
Speaker 4: But so what… So what would be an example of the policy that a post liberal would object to because it hurting.
Speaker 16: About liberal is that it values freedom over other. Perhaps equally valuable things. I think drug laws. That’s a good example of a domain in which the libertarian has very different views from somebody who’s.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So the classical liberal places the the individual at the center of things, the further you go left and right, more likely you are to have a corporate group consciousness.
Speaker 16: Post. World and who thinks that, what? Maybe it’s not a wise idea just to allow individuals to make whatever choice they want. Or pornography, maybe another example like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. They… In the case of drug is they argument those that people who become addicted to drugs and ruin their lives, not only ruin their own lives, but also those are their family and their neighbors.
Speaker 0: So I think the 1 thing I’ve ever said or written has Gotten the most currency on the web is… So that everything we do affects other people. Right? Everything has external personalities.
Speaker 4: Members of that community, and therefore it’s… If you’re take into account these wider interests, you might actually not legalize drugs.
Speaker 16: Well, but yeah.
Speaker 4: But but that’s reply from the liberal or… Or at least liberal minded person would be that… Alright, , that’s that’ll make sense. Doesn’t mean that the community has an interest. It means this individuals imposing cost on other people in his community and those need to be.
Taken into consideration. Yeah. It’s individuals that are being affected.
Speaker 16: Well, that that’s 1 reason I think you you could argue that there’s an inconsistency or a fundamental, like, challenge at the heart of liberal, which is it takes individuals as the fundamental unit, the sort of autonomous agent of the political system, But if you really think about it, any society is like a fine spider web where whatever happens in 1 place vibrate to every other place. So you could say, that… What you just said about drugs holds for every behavior. In any behavior, Like, even behavior that’s quote unquote in my own bedroom has consequences for the mating market, which affect other people it might have consequences for who gets angry at whom, which also affects other people, etcetera. So in some sense, I would argue even if you accept the argument that you forwarded, which was an attempt to to defend liberal.
It does point to a contradiction or at least a challenge within the very ideology of liberal.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No. I think I think that’s true. As a good way of putting it to I guess the only thing that I personally find difficult to accept is the notion that there a group interest. But certainly, I agree that.
Speaker 16: Yeah. So that would be, like… Accept… So, basically, 1 could accept the onto oncology of liberal ism or, , post, like in classical liberal ism we’ll call it that guys. And then argue that the libertarian the libertarian liberal ism is fundamentally flawed precisely because it doesn’t accept that everything a person does inevitably affects other people in the same society.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So that’s what libertarian or not necessarily terribly liberal minded economist, political economists would say that all these babies have external.
Speaker 16: Right. Right now The thing is every behavior has an
Speaker 8: external reality.
Speaker 4: Yeah. That’s right. Yeah. So you can accept the framework of liberal or at least its formal, in a domain like, political economy. Mh.
And rejects it almost all the policy prescriptions or at least once you tweak them substantially.
Speaker 16: I mean, but it almost does get to the point where what you’re doing is rejecting the notion that like, there are, that that… I mean, it’s, like, the individuals are so closely connected in this view of the world, which I think is the correct view. That they’re not independent because everything they do affects other individuals.
Speaker 4: But even if if 1 took up you, 1 would have to concede that some transactions involve. Far lower others and that there’s quantitative differences than to be accounted for by the policy maker.
Speaker 16: Yes. I think that’s important. Yeah. Absolutely. And you could argue that some become so small, like, if I watch, clue when I’m eating dinner if I watch 7, really doesn’t matter.
Like…
Speaker 0: Well, I am absolutely torn right now between this hybrid. Out discussion from Ap po magazine, and this middle brow, but exciting discussion between the jolly Here and Reggie lunch
Speaker 12: out and social os, sort of a female tactics, as as as opposed to traditional male tactics. So so, oh, that’s a. Yeah. So so so you you’ve got a young men who are increasingly feeling that they can’t get what they want and the, yeah.
Speaker 8: They couldn’t be argued you that the kind
Speaker 12: of men that had a bit of conscientious a bit of intelligence a bit of get of them get them go. Then they’ll be much more likely to get what they wanted. Will be the kind of bend that can be can be distracted via operating services or or be very realistic poor or computer games. They don’t get what they want and they’re not gonna have much get up and go to fight anyway.
Speaker 3: So if you look at these wars and revolutions, what you generally find is most of the population is. Where before the English, the English civil war is a really fascinating example of this in that… Before the english civil war, most people said we don’t wanna war. Same same with the American revolution or the Us civil war. On, then what happens is that you have small cad of radicals who push the populace.
And normal people never organize. So when war comes, their opinions largely don’t matter. And so you see in the Russian civil war, the radical jack who made up less than 3 percent of Russia’s population the start win. Sorry. A Bolsheviks win.
For the french revolution the Jack, which are also, like, 1 or 2 percent France’s population 1. In America, the radical Republicans went out in the civil war. They were a tiny part of the population. The Same thing again at the p who were 10 percent of England’s population who won. And hardcore revolutionaries sentiment in America was not big for the revolution.
Chinese of radicals it’s not
Speaker 12: so much that fits sorry with with… I don’t know if you’ve read Book a populous delusion. It’s not it’s not so much that you have a large number of men. So who are who are pissed off that you have men… I could been within the elite that pissed off.
Then could the can draw on the pissed popular personalized,
Speaker 3: who And what I expect to happen in America is that we have because if you look at these crises crises, they normally start with a budget issue, a budget issue or an external war. That’s the case with the French revolution, English civil war, French medieval and early modern wars, etcetera. And what I expect to happen. You see the Us is constantly renewing its budgets every few months. And the the debt getting to an insane level.
And so my top bet is that past a certain point The Republicans, the someone realizes that they have a higher chance of getting reelected if they start a war, than if they don’t start a war, And frankly, I look at the Us debt in the immigration. I don’t think we can go another 4 years without having a war because you you just 1 of a country left. And the left… The left has been using short term strategies to please the insane people at the heart of their coalition at the expense of the rest of their coalition. And so there’s a
Speaker 0: So have you guys seen the new, civil war movie is quite compelling. Doesn’t have any noticeable ideological. Component, but something kept by attention.
Speaker 3: Pull triggers with the debt being 1, for an immigration being another, an external war being another, And there’s there’s, like, 5 more. I don’t know exactly which 1. But what I expect to happen is that the red states and the blue states. The red states form an independent government in Texas. Other red states support done, and the fascinating thing is that when Texas toll said no to Washington.
The other 25 other states said they supported Texas over Washington in a 1 day period, in 10 of those states offered military support to texas. And they and that they said they they’d send their soldiers to Texas to fight for this. And the fact that all happened in a single day. And for wars, I see, there’s… You see how many domino’s can fall fall at 1 this where there were about 15 places where World war 1 nearly started before it started.
And what that signifies to me is that What 1 had to happen. It was just looking for a place where the match could get lit. And once I see that many Domino’s fall in a row, it means that there’s an underlying energy there that’s gonna get tapped. I’m sorry. I…
Thinking is I can actually get to your point. What I expect to happen? Small groups of radicals in each faction will cons the norm. And so you’ll basically have right wing and left wing, ideological new elite form. And they will cons constrict normal guys off the bar floor who don’t wanna fight.
Speaker 12: Right. Okay. And how does this… How does this… So what was this day?
The specific day in 25 states? Side of Texas when was this?
Speaker 3: That was with Greg Abbott border issue where Biden has been letting 50000000 or… 10 8 whatever, we don’t have good numbers. Biden has let between 8 the 15000000 immigrants crossed the border, because he just like go of the border in Texas didn’t like that. And so Texas sent a letter to the Us government saying, we will block the border if you don’t. And this breaks the Us constitution because states aren’t allowed to block a floor and border, but then Texas sued this centralized government saying you’re not doing your duty, so we have to.
And then within the next day of that, half the states in the country so that they supported Texas in doing this. On, and then biden folded and back down on the issue. It’ll let Texas block its border.
Speaker 0: Oh, okay. Alright. Black Pigeon speaks, did a video on…
Speaker 17: Donald Trump has been found guilty in what he calls his show trial or his rigged trial. And many are convinced that the justice system along with all the other components of government are so thoroughly corrupt as to be beyond redemption. And that the system has made sure that they know that we know, but they simply don’t care. And when a population loses faith in its institutions that manage the society. Well, that society will no longer function.
And they know that. And again, they simply do not care. There’s a lot of talk about succession and civil war in the United States. So much so that even Hollywood has gotten into the fray with the recently released film civil war, but how likely is such a scenario. Well, there was a poll released very recently that came to some very startling results.
Half of Americans expect a second Us civil war within years. More than 40 percent with the great replacement theory, which we are told, of course, via the
Speaker 0: So a lot of people year for excitement. And so, obviously, the prospects of a civil war, , provide meaning an excitement for people who don’t have… No more human ties.
Speaker 17: Mainstream street media, wikipedia and social media companies, well, it’s just a conspiracy theory, but also that nearly a fifth. Well they would choose to bring a gun to a violent political row. Moreover, more than 40 percent of Americans favor. Strong leader over democracy and adhered.
Speaker 0: Well, people are gonna look out for that self interest. So if people think that they’re right? Best interest in their quality of life is better served by a more authoritarian leader than that’s what they’ll support.
Speaker 17: To the belief that an immigrant. Takeover in the United States is happening now. Now before we take a are serious and massive polarization forces currently ripping the United States apart from within. Our While Joe Biden calls America are beacon for the world, what he absolutely misses is that in reality, it is an empire in steep decline. America is a country now Marked.
Speaker 0: And I I think this is bogus. Right? Most people don’t care about politics that intensely, America is not an empire in decline. Yeah. The quality of life and the amount of social cohesion, social trust.
Has dropped significantly.
Speaker 17: With Venezuela tier elections, a corrupt judiciary ba.
Speaker 0: Alright. I I think both of these are just absurd has exaggeration.
Speaker 17: And paid for government, institutional backing of law ness, growing and visible poverty. As well as studies showing an unprecedented collapse of societal condition.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So as we have bought diversity. Right? You’d have more income inequality and less social cohesion, less social trust.
Speaker 17: It’s within the United States. Or if I can put it more simply, a lot of people believe that the nation is headed toward a failed state and not only that. But that America is a failed experiment that is teeter on the brink of civil war. What is true is that when using the… Common metrics that political scientists use to determine the signs of a avail state.
Well the Us checks many of those boxes. In fact, Studies have shown that much.
Speaker 0: Well, out of all, the world’s major economies, the United States economy is doing best by How lodge. Margin.
Speaker 17: Of the illusion of democracy is just that, an illusion. So about the studied Well, after a rigorous analysis of voting from 19 82 until 20 02A study entitled testing theories of American politics, elite interest groups and average citizens. Well, this study showed that the preferences of the top 10 percent of Americans routinely Trump those of the average voter moreover that the bedrock white black narrative America misses the point. In America, things do not only relate to racial issues, but especially ones of class. And that more and more people no matter their race, are finding life harder and harder and harder.
Poverty is accelerating. Civil discourse is breaking down, social cohesion has evaporated. Americans have become extremely complacent to the idea that their current living arrangements who’s are the norm rather than the exception and the elites for their part believe that any manner of social or economic trauma can be publicly ghost or ignored by the sheer inertia of American power. Power that many suggest is now running on fumes. Looking internationally, there was the complete and total humiliation in Afghanistan with the abandonment of 80000000000 dollars in military.
Speaker 0: Right. Foreign policy catastrophes are not gonna cause us civil war time.
Speaker 17: Reaction equipment combined with the ongoing failure in Ukraine and the inability to curb either Russia or China And for that matter just this week, China has surrounded the island of Taiwan with little to no response from the Us navy. In the country itself well, there’s the usual domestic summer rioting season coming up.
Speaker 0: Right. Not not responding to Chinese provocation, doesn’t show that your weak is probably just superior judgment.
Speaker 17: To a presidential election that is germ and magnified with greed.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I like what Stephen C james says in the chat. I just find all this distant write crap. So un compelling these days. Let know what’s happened to me.
Speaker 17: By the mainstream media, a media that has completely lost all credibility with those that it is paid to influence.
Speaker 0: Right. Some parts of the media of lost credibility with some parts of the population, but still over 2000000 people. Including myself paid to subscribe to the New York Times. But this guy does have some good points to make little little later in this video. So let’s fast.
Speaker 17: The old customs and old habits. They have absolutely nothing to replace them with. And at this point, the inter generational contract has been ripped up and thrown to the floor, and in our era where the dogma currency shifts by the day and emerging anti human concept per from the depths of social science departments across the country and then are prom by the controlled media what is actually occurring is the attempted transformation in what the famed zoo Desmond Morris called. The human animal. The politics of division are only intensifying and people are now grouping themselves along political lines, even more strongly than by any other distinction.
Americans are now not only encouraged to separate themselves
Speaker 0: So more and more of my friends who are right wing and Orthodox Jews are moving out of California mainly to Florida, but also to Texas and Nevada.
Speaker 17: Milan. Un uncomfortable lines of distinction, but also to ex ex the virtue of celebrating these differences and call it a strength, And when looking at these socially engineered positions, well it beg belief. Facts that in any other time that would be self evident. Are not so in our current era of mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance and the sq c of anything that rep ideology over demons fact has become not the exception, but the norm. Now previously and historically, these disparate tribes could be brought together and their differences smoothed to over by a so called super tribe.
Rome did it, the West did it previously with the creation of nation states, but like Rome, the United States is tearing itself apart from within and like rome as it progressed as a society and a civilization, and as it tribal within so too now in the 20 first century is America. And so then, we’re left with the question is America headed to so called second civil war or toward a second civil war. A lot of people seem to think so and they’re spurred on by algorithm sector Youtube gatekeepers that say as much, of course, along with the controlled media. But what I think that most of these people misunderstand is the difference between a civil conflict and a civil war. I can’t see the country being carved up into 2 or 3 or 4 opposing territories fighting it out.
There will never be another army of Northern Virginia. There will never be a California led west an alliance with armies drawn up of volunteers and cons. Yes, there are groups within the United States that hate each other. They’re but most people just want to get about their lives. So given this reality, I think it would be all but impossible to drop maps.
For a second civil war based on these criteria as much of it and these differences that Americans hold much of these differences are urban versus the rest. The only thing a massive percent of the…
Speaker 0: And it would just… Make sense on a completely normal basis for people living in more restricted urban environments to have different policy and political preferences from those living in the country.
Speaker 17: Country wants and demands is largest. Restricted more bread and more circus. They’re not interested in a civil war. Now what is absolutely much more probable, is a civil conflict, and that a civil conflict could take place within states or between states and the actions would be something similar to the troubles in Northern Ireland. For example, especially during an acute and prolonged economic.
Crisis that does look to be on the foreseeable future. I myself see the future in much the same way as a mid fifth century Roman wood as he looked out and surveyed his crumbling empire. An empire that was busy tearing its self apart from within, rather than making arrangements for a mutually beneficial future. Does that sound at all familiar, But by no means are these black pills. In fact, I believe this video is 1 gigantic white pill.
Because the end of a thing is only the beginning of something new. And let’s be on.
Speaker 0: Right. So that which cannot continue. Eventually, it won’t continue.
Speaker 17: Just given all of the topics brought up in this video, it would be silly, not to… Come to the conclusion that the current iteration of the United States, Well, it’s not working. So perhaps the country could evolve into a dev evolved country, less federal where people…
Speaker 0: Less federal. I think he meant. Less unified. Right? A system of federal.
Right, means a system that dev considerable control to states and cities. Right. That is federal, more state and local control.
Speaker 17: Can live. Where they feel most agreeable.
Speaker 0: Okay. Let’s get back to more hybrid discussion here between boot Wayne god and no call.
Speaker 16: Had some consequence of course, like, , a Taylor, but almost nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Of course, the the the physical liberal will come back and say, okay. Well, just because, that’s, there are all these external personalities, all these all these interactions and inter dependencies in human society. That doesn’t mean that a post liberal state is going to improve matters by intervening everywhere. Maybe the the medicine is less than the disease.
Speaker 16: Yes. I think that’s the important. That… That’s 1 thing that I keep coming back to, which is perhaps
Speaker 0: Right. So in some circumstances, a liberal democracy is, , the most effective form of government, , Usually, though liberal needs some plus. Right Liberal and nationalism. For example, seem to go pretty well together. But in some circumstances, like liberal, combined with nationalism, will also require a severe authoritarian turn.
If… 1 is facing, , a diet challenged to once survival.
Speaker 16: The myth of liberal ism is the best myth to run a society because you’re right, like… What we have to do is we have to weigh costs and done.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Some societies are better off with the myth of liberal or a myth of nationalism or myth of religious nationalism? Depends upon the circumstances.
Speaker 16: So suppose that we accepted this reality that everything’s interdependent. Is it better still generally to allow people to make decisions, which, of course have external, or is it better to have a government or some higher entity forcing decisions upon people?
Speaker 4: Yeah. So when I was preparing for this discussion, reading around a bit about post liberal as it’s known. So hard for me to identify specific policies. Right. That post Liberals wanted to implement except immigration restrictions, I generally support.
Right. But in in other areas, it was harder to, delineate the exact policy. Prescriptions they were making. So do you do if any?
Speaker 16: I think they tend to be coy about assert specific positive, policies, precisely because they know they might be unpopular or difficult to defend, But I will have an example of 1 that I think we… 1 could defend and that a post liberal might promote. Making marriage more difficult to end. So so this would be a policy Like, I think post liberals generally view this the sexual revolution with some skepticism. So.
And they view no fault divorce with a lot of Skepticism. So they might argue that, look. Marriage is a public code. It’s a commitment device that… And and when you allow people, , hap hazard or whim to dissolve it, you’re that commitment device for other people who
Speaker 0: Okay. I’m not at all, certain that we should make divorce more difficult
Speaker 4: in so far as he’s cheated on his spouse.
Speaker 16: And I should say, I’m actually a fan of hypocrisy, and let me explain what I mean by that. I I think it… It’s a good idea often that it… Look, some people are going to live. D depressed want and sexually devi lives.
I understand that. I think it would actually be better for society if those people did that privately and were hypo about it. I I don’t think there’s
Speaker 4: I mean, if you think would be better if they claimed publicly.
Speaker 16: Yeah. That they… Yeah.
Speaker 4: Level, that’s a kinda white lie.
Speaker 16: Yeah. It’s a kind of hip hypocrisy guys opposed But, yeah Okay. I mean, you could call… What whatever 1 wants to be call. I’m a big fan of, a, kind of, like, privacy here.
I don’t understand. And in fact how the f makes against liberal is that it often moves from a reluctant tolerance to a kind of celebration of the d parade. Like,
Speaker 4: okay. Something.
Speaker 0: Sorry, Alex Jones is… Planning the feds are after him and they’re trying to shut him down. This is what I said 5 years ago when big tech on basically 1 day. Got together to ben Alex Jones. I was quite ambivalent.
It it certainly didn’t bother me that Alex jones. Regarding big tech. Banning Alex Jones. I think I have no opinion. I I just see a lot of different arguments.
So why did all these big tech companies ban in today. So you’re wing activists. You say, this is collusion by big tech trying to shut down an important right wing voice to smooth the wave. The democratic body in the 20 18 elections. And if I were a right wing activist, I mean, that would be the approach.
I’d be taking
Speaker 8: for the
Speaker 0: so I got into a debate with Mike Bands, who was in frame game radio. So Alex Jones has said somebody heinous us. So ridiculous things such as that that, , a particular mass shooting was, , a a staged actor event that it doesn’t bother me when Big tech chooses to ban him. Because as an activist, your goal is to r people up, get them angry. It’s like, oh, we gotta…
And we gotta take action here. Right? We’ve gotta we just kinda sit back and take this anymore. We’ve gotta do something. We’ve gotta protest.
We gotta Boycott. We got a yell and scream, and we gotta make out voice hood and we gotta take back this. Let’s welcome Elliot B. Back under the show, Elliott. How are you mate?
Speaker 18: I wish could say I was good, Luke, but, this cold. That I had, but probably the 1 that you had, it just seems to drag on. Yeah. And it’s been miserable and I keep thinking today the last day, and it’s not. And it’s like this tunnel, ?
And I get the legs at the end of the tunnel and I never get there. So wish I better news, but I do have some good news. Okay. Yeah. Yesterday, I get I spent the past 35 dollars of my life, Like…
Speaker 0: Wow.
Speaker 18: I put a beach umbrella. A modern beach umbrella. And it it’s it’s hard It’s hard to describe, like, whatever revolution this cost. Like, I can go anywhere, establish this speech umbrella, not sunburn, be outside, enjoy a nice fresh sea please and and not be covered in gross sun lotion, and I can’t believe I haven’t done… I didn’t do this like, 10 years ago.
Speaker 0: Where, you believe the anti Santa lotion conspiracy theories bro?
Speaker 18: I just don’t like the the feeling and the smell of it. I I don’t that’s the extent that I thought about Cent. I just… There’s that weird smell that it has. I don’t like.
Speaker 0: You thinks Santa and is turning us gay.
Speaker 18: You can’t rule it out. You can’t relate. You don’t want take any risks. Poor Alex, , I… I’m just so not interested in Alex Jones.
I couldn’t care less. But I understand. There was a big Alex Jones, event yesterday of some kind.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Some kind of meltdown saying the the Feds were trying to take him down.
Speaker 18: But I don’t… I I didn’t pay competition, but it’s now like, completely off the air. No on no regards.
Speaker 0: I I don’t know. I… I’m like you. I find it really hard to pay him much mind.
Speaker 18: Yeah. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 0: what about getting exercise. You capable of exercise because I find often, and I’ve got… Chronic cold. Right? So the first week when you got the flu, I I think you should definitely not exercise.
But after about a week or so, then I think it’s important to start , breathing and getting getting some more exercise.
Speaker 18: I agree, but, I’ve been just… My energy level has been just so low. ? And , I should… You’re right.
I mean, I love to in a… But I have not done so.
Speaker 0: What’s your level of human connection these days?
Speaker 18: Low. But not 0? When not 0. In fact, I got spotted. I was spotted in public by by a friend, and it was, like, sort of a similar, , Larry Gave, stop stop a chat situation.
And So now I got hooked into a bunch of socializing that I need to… That I’m, , expected to do. And I’m not exactly thrilled about it.
Speaker 0: So socializing usually leads you more depleted of energy than in. Correct?
Speaker 18: Yes. Yes, Does.
Speaker 0: So are there exceptions of that? I mean, are there people that you get together with in person, may you feel more in such as at a a fits a a spa. We get together in a steam room with other men and get naked
Speaker 18: , I I haven’t I don’t have that pleasure. I I’ve been denying myself this, , it’s my part. New England upper upbringing english doesn’t allow for sex things.
Speaker 0: I, I think a good… It… What’s a code of Bath house? But an elle.
Speaker 18: It’s still… I think it’s still. Sort of, like an epi. Yeah. Yeah.
That’s…
Speaker 0: Yeah. And elevated, 1 that has all the good parts of traditional ge house culture, but without any of the ic elements.
Speaker 18: Yeah. Good good good question. Haven’t found 1 yet, Bro. But I’m I’m looking. , there are…
I don’t wanna keep that? I mean, I’ve been… Can I say this? I went to a spa. Right?
Speaker 0: Right. For facial.
Speaker 18: I went to a spa, and then I later learned that theoretically, this could’ve been cons stew as a as a bath house. But it it wasn’t… It wasn’t that day. But I could… I So, oh, I can’t believe I just said that.
So there was this thing going around where you did go to. What is it called Ka. It was a job. Japanese bath house.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, those aren’t gay.
Speaker 18: You sure.
Speaker 0: Definitely Not gay.
Speaker 18: Yeah. But there were posters there for sure, bro.
Speaker 0: Right. But the the whole thing is a, was he did not have a gay experience.
Speaker 18: No. No. No. So no, Luke, when do that 1 needs to go to a doctor? Like…
Is it , I’ve been sick. I I haven’t gone to a doctor in years. It eventually, , there needs to be a signal that says, well, perhaps you should go to a doctor. What does that feel like? ?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I there been a handful of ties when I’ve gone to maybe 1 time, when I went to a doctor after a head. , a flu called that that went on and on, and they hooked me up to some machine that, , said stuff, , up my nostrils, that there may have been some mild benefit. But but do do you have an oxygen oxygen it oxygen that measures measures the level of oxygen in your blood? No.
Probably should get 1 and if The level of oxygen in your blood drip drops below 92, then you should definitely go to the.
Speaker 18: Okay. Is this something I can get on Amazon? Yeah.
Speaker 0: You can get it on Amazon, and you can, , have it delivered same day or the next day. I, I mean, do a little bit of research on it, but it’s very simple device that measures the level of oxygen in in your in your body. But usually, a doctor can’t do much for a cold a flu now, do you have a severely… You have a high fever because I didn’t… It…
Don’t recall having a fever.
Speaker 18: No. I don’t have fever and I can work. Yeah. And my mind is clear and The only thing that’s backs just like there’s this consistent congestion that feels like it’s really deep in my lungs. And it just won’t heal.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I find exercises is the the best for that. Even… So, , don’t don’t… Exercise to the point of exhaustion, but definitely get some exercise get outside and , I think that helps.
Because otherwise, this can just stick around in your lungs for weeks and weeks and weeks. But with exercise, right? , you you get that air moving out of out of your lungs.
Speaker 18: Yeah. So III took the… I got the umbrella. And I just set it up and I , sat outside under the umbrella, breathing fresh air. But I wasn’t, , I wasn’t doing the exercise, but I didn’t have any energy.
Speaker 0: Now did you buy some cheap Chinese umbrella?
Speaker 18: I got it at Costco, and it was paid in Mexico. It was much. It was catch in Mexico, ?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Walking pneumonia, that… That’s probably what you got. Right?
Speaker 18: Yeah. Now, is that, ,
Speaker 0: So I’ll I’ll no. A a friend of mine lied to get the pneumonia vaccine. So a friend of mine was going to get vaccinated getting, like its seventh Covid shot. It was getting the flu shot last fall, and then he told an un truth because he wanted the pneumonia vaccine, so he said that he had diabetes. Because they wouldn’t give it to him unless he said he had some, , c.
And he lied to get… To get a a pneumonia vaccine. Sad.
Speaker 18: What hard to hear, Bro?
Speaker 0: Yeah. It’s it’s kinda heartbreaking. What about the prospects of a civil war? Does that provide you with energy?
Speaker 18: Nobody does not. It test now the afraid.
Speaker 0: Have you seen have you seen the new civil War movie? I mean, god forbid don’t download it from any of the sharing sites?
Speaker 18: No. No. I have 2 modes. I’m working. I’m doing minor chores or I’m sleeping.
I’m not doing anything in between.
Speaker 0: Wow. You’re not even watching Netflix do you subscribe to Netflix?
Speaker 18: No. I gave it up years ago. I have no desire the last was the last thing I saw netflix. Orange is the new 1
Speaker 0: New black.
Speaker 18: I saw 1 so to that, and I canceled my nets I cancel my Netflix, and I’ve never entertained the of, like, can get back. Netflix just died to me that day.
Speaker 0: Do you believe in orient medicine?
Speaker 18: Yes. I do. Okay. Have you ever have you ever done a active punch for?
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was good when I had, like, an elbow problem that went on for months to months to months, like, 4 sessions of dealt with it and when I went to when I went to my Kaiser doctor. Right, for for various problems, and he said, oh, , this is just gonna be con jan are you.
You probably need to have a hip replacement 1 day, and then I went to a good physical therapist. And, like, with a good physical therapist. They took care of my elbow problem in 1 session. Good ac took care of my problem years earlier in 4 sessions. But, yeah, sometimes that, that good physical therapist or good ac won’t take care of problems that like conventional Kaiser went.
Speaker 18: Well, I went to a, an ax punch, and I This was years ago, and they set me up with these Chinese herbs. And when I’m talking about herbs here, I’m not talking about, like, peppermint. I’m talking about this most disgusting stuff, you can imagine. ? Like, it was this…
Giant shopping bag full of brush, the this was to boil down into this liquid, and this liquid just tasted, like, liquid asphalt. It was the most disgusting stuff. And I was supposed to take it, like, 2 or 3 times a day, and I would just be dread this. I’d be shiver in with fear knowing that this… I would have to deal with just take this stuff eventually.
And it was… It it… I couldn’t finish the course because it was so that the taste was so bad and so nausea that I couldn’t finish the program.
Speaker 0: But did it help?
Speaker 18: Possibly,
Speaker 0: How much are it did you take? Did you get through half of it?
Speaker 18: Yeah. I probably got through half of it. Like, it got to the point where I was having nightmares about it. Like, my net… , it it just…
This nightmare advised it was about me having to drink this crap.
Speaker 0: I’m sorry that you had to go through that elliott.
Speaker 18: Yeah. But, , there was this trend going around San francisco where you’d would have, like… Cheap cheap ac punch. So sort of community act punch.
Speaker 0: Mh. So you use needles.
Speaker 18: No. It wasn’t that bad. Excuse me. And so for like, 15 dollars to get, like a… Like an hour of sitting in a nice climbing chair with bunch needles in you.
And, in the sort of group setting, So you’d be sitting around and everyone else isn’t in in recliner, but nope wood talk. There was this unspoken rule. Didn’t talk do each other when we had a needle in you. So I was doing that for a while, but those things kind of closed up. I don’t think the business model worked.
Speaker 0: I I wanna con find something in you. I have, like, a needy component really resonates with the personalized nature of this alternative medicine where they… Treat you or something special rather than just going through conventional medicine, and it it just really feels good to me emotionally, how about you? You enjoy, like, the personalized component of alternative medicine and does it, like, feel good to you emotionally that you’re being taken care of in a personalized manner. Like, even if it, like, aroma therapy or something silly.
Speaker 18: No. Not at all.
Speaker 0: You not like being taken care of by attractive young Asian women?
Speaker 18: I don’t dislike it, but I don’t go around an emotional need. In fact, usually, well, I I get the authentic stuff, . Oh, yeah. Real Chinese.
Speaker 0: Real stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 18: Doing the Chinese medicine. I don’t do this knock off.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Hits there’s like Yeah.
Speaker 18: 6 5 fours, , I don’t do any of that. So… But if you go to the authentic stuff, then you get the big pile of disgusting brush that you supposed to drink. So it’s a it’s a fine line that you need to walk. But I…
Some of these guys are really interesting. Some of the… Some of the American act they have these really interesting stories, like, they got this infection surfing, and they went to conventional doctors and the conventional doctor could do nothing, and then they went to an act, the act fix them up, and then they became ac because they were so enamored with the Art craft.
Speaker 0: Now, I find that these stories are interesting to the degree that the person with the story is hot. But are you assessing the interesting ness of these stories on objective bases or on the bases of how hot the person is.
Speaker 18: No. I’m I’m able to detach. The the female ac, I’ve had… In invariably just tell me that I need to drink more water. , they don’t have an interesting story beyond that.
Like, It’s the male ones that have surfing stories, the motorcycle accidents, , the the compelling dramas. Some
Speaker 0: So you don’t get any charge about being taken care of by some attractive young woman. It doesn’t fill you up. You can see through the Bs.
Speaker 18: I see through the Bs bro. me, me. I’m all business. I’m all this this. So I look, I didn’t expect to be coughing so much when I called in.
No.
Speaker 0: I don’t don’t worry about it, Bro. We we feel what you’re pain.
Speaker 18: So this is the Marathon stream. It’s going on at 02:00 now what happened?
Speaker 0: Well, I’m sorry frustrated with… I’m so frustrated with it because of the the 2 breakdowns and then the extra body tension that came from it, and then the more constrict… , throat. And, like, I had 2 cups of coffee. I haven’t had 2 cups of coffee in months.
So I don’t wanna waste those 2 cups of coffee. III keep expecting that at any time that caffeine is going power me to unexpected and shattering insights that will leave me emotionally in intellectually con converse, but still strangely relieved and released. So
Speaker 18: You, on top the adderall roll, you have 2 cups of coffee you’re running through you buy.
Speaker 0: Right. And so I thought there’s gonna be an amazing stream. Like, III was I was intimidated by what destiny produced and I thought. For me to get to destiny level of live streaming excellence. I’m gonna need massive caffeine adderall all, I said no to Mod on top of all that.
But it was powered by my jealousy of Destiny e’s live streaming capabilities.
Speaker 18: Now, Destiny has a he has a history of Poly that doesn’t bother you.
Speaker 0: Well, I… I’m just looking at him objectively as a live stream. But I’m not looking to have sex with him.
Speaker 18: U. Good point. Yeah. It’s key decision.
Speaker 0: Have you have you sue much of his material? I mean, he sent a left, but he also has… Lot of common sense. He’s pro capitalism. He’s pro gun.
He he doesn’t, , believe that the edward word is, , inappropriate in all circumstances for a for white people. He… He’s willing to debate people all over the political spectrum, So even though he santa a left, I I respect him for a lot of things.
Speaker 18: Yeah. I I used to talk to him and, yes. I used to… When I say used to a little bit. , there was a period for, like, a month where I could tolerate them.
But then I found what he would depict? Tend to be just sort of, like, high school girl type of sociology crap. It was not interested to me. And , But, yes, he’s a skilled Peter. Yes He’s intelligent.
But and then he sort of… He has the sort of, egalitarian assumptions of our age. , He’s not the different people at different gifts analysis. Yeah. And I don’t know.
I just think you can only go so far if that’s not part of your worldview because otherwise, certain things just don’t make sense. So he…
Speaker 0: Yeah. He also debates to to score points with the most ridiculous, , intellectual arguments that superficial sound impressive, but they such low quality that they discuss me.
Speaker 18: Right. So when he has the facts, he wield the facts effectively. When he doesn’t have the facts, they can sort of slip into sort of soft stream mode, and he’s very good at that as well. And so Sometimes you can be the dialed by that. So, , I lost interest in them, ?
Yeah plus inches a lot of stuff, which I find a bit concerning.
Speaker 0: But you’re going through nihilism. I find whenever I’m sick. III enter into a neolithic attitude.
Speaker 18: Yeah. Yeah. That’s for sure, but this is even before I got sick. I was… , just, , just this idea of, like, always having to have the right opinion and always discovering new opinions and, , just living in this world of opinions got to be there seemed to be no point to in the end because having the correct opinion really didn’t matter.
There’s was no, like, real world consequence, Like, you could believe that the world is flat. Right? Yeah. You could be totally convinced of it, which is a stupid opinion, but you could nevertheless leave a very successful fulfilling life. ?
The 2 non overlapping area.
Speaker 0: Yes. Yeah. That’s profound. And disco discourse surfing just gets tiring when people are just making, like, instantaneous. Opinions for for K, which is sort of Destiny motives with Any as opposed to something that’s more considered and even though it’s less dramatic, it’s more possibly valuable.
Yeah. Such as this show.
Speaker 18: Well, I I think, , good debate should be about… What seriously… It’s only worth thinking about things that have a practical application. If there’s no practical application to what you’re thinking about, you’re wasting your time. It’s not a good use of time.
? You need to enhance your health. You need to enhance your the emotion well lead or your financial well be. These are things worth thinking about. Thinking about is John Mir right about this and wrong about that.
Doesn’t even make consequence. ? Yeah. Like, is Russian and Ukraine is you rush right as Ukraine, right, There’s no… There’s no practical expression of that of having that right, Rick, Any?
Speaker 0: Yeah. When do you think about the idea that we tend to see the world as we are? Rather than as it is. So I remember, for example, with Dennis stale. Like any new story, it would just be a reason for him to become even more depressed about the trajectory of the United States?
Speaker 18: Yes. No. He he started bills. And he ended black build.
Speaker 0: And every major news story was just a further reason for him to get black build. And I noticed this with a lot of friends, like, particularly dis friends. Every new major news development is just an excuse to become more black.
Speaker 18: Yes.
Speaker 0: And that’s tiring and it’s depressing and it’s not intellectually impressive.
Speaker 18: Yeah. And, like, , we have a mutual acquaintance. And, , I still run him once in a while. And he’s still… , he really into this sort of, dis ideology.
And all of his talking points to of revolve around it, and it’s just so tiring and exhausting to be around that I can’t wait to sort of separate myself in a conversation. And then I feel like , I feel relieved when I’m just not having to participate it. And Yeah. And it’s sort of, like, it’s a mask. , I’ve come to see it as sort of these…
The obsession just to… A a mask for some shortcomings in his own life, ? And
Speaker 0: Yeah. It’s… It it wears on on 1II mean, I’ve got… Like, in in Orthodox Studios isn’t almost oh my friends a right wing, but I’ve got 1 thoughtful right wing friend who’s just tired of going to S meals. To hear these low Iq critiques of the Biden administration.
Like, when you when you hear these troops over and over again it’s just wearing.
Speaker 18: Yeah. Yeah. Like… And, like, , like, sticks Hex and Hammer. Like, I’m not unsubscribe to him, but he’s still…
Appears on my feet, and it just seems like he’s, , he rose to fame with his sort of
Speaker 0: Alright, Adjacent.
Speaker 18: Yeah. Well, his… But his big… I think he must’ve because he made this oppression a prediction that Trump would win the 20 16 election. And this bought him a tremendous amount of credibility an audience.
And that’s all he ever talks about. Is Trump Trump this, Trump that. Trump this, Trump that. Here’s my analysis of Trump, and it’s always, his conclusions are always pro Trump, , And it’s just, you they complete. And this type of discussion is just tedious.
Speaker 0: So… What about civil war videos why the United States is heading for a civil war? Do you find that tedious?
Speaker 18: I totally it’s true. I… Yes. I find the tea is. I think Yeah.
I I don’t really have any predictions about what’s gonna happen, but if things are just kinda gonna grind along, sometimes you need get messy and weird and , that’s something new happens that you just don’t know.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, I remember so many examples from my own life when I was Now absolutely convinced that these cataclysmic developments were heading our way. And or I just had some hyper reaction to to life that upon reflection just seems so silly.
Speaker 18: Yes. Yes. And I think back when I was really young and all the strange political crap I believed and then, it’s like, it’s some embarrassing. I’m so glad the Internet wasn’t around when I was in. With probably.
I would have console myself. To relevance.
Speaker 0: So
Speaker 18: I don’t got unemployment.
Speaker 0: Mh Mh. Mh. Bell saying, , Luke used to monitor people like , Rich richard Spencer and Nick. And my reaction is, these guys are merit. Right?
They say things that are exciting often, but it it’s just… It’s such a transparent ploy for attention. , the shifting, particularly rich spencer, , the constant dramatic shift. It’s such a merit appeal, merit means show, but lacking in substance. It’s such a a show appeal for our attention that I I just got tired of it.
Speaker 18: Yeah. I’ve come to my conclusion on, Rick Rich richard’s spencer sir. The problem with Richard Spencer is he’s not a complete. He’s capable of starting things, but he can’t see things to the end. And I think this is true of a lot of people with trust funds or with, , wealth, independent wealth that’s from work.
, If they don’t… They can’t buckle down and get through the difficult parts. They they they’d rather sort of get something started, get the exciting part out of the way. And then, , there’s always something more tantalizing that you could jump to and just go to the next, dopamine hit rather than sort of grind through the nasty bits to get something in. So…
And so he has this sort of he just has its dis discouraging attitude towards sort the basic block and tackling of politics. Right? He, , things like crime and gas prices. And, , these sort of bread and butter, boring issues. He has no stomach for that he wants to talk about this these these big, , mythological themes and literary motifs that go on between this community and that community and on and on, but just eats just a afraid grit.
, Some people… He has no grit.
Speaker 0: And I remember about 3 years ago. Someone associated with the Southern Poverty, Mo center, Someone like Jared H, who’s like an anti right wing researcher with , basic Marxist view of the world. He condemned people who attacked Richard Spencer. And essentially, said, , Richard Spencer is on outside now, people should stop giving him a hard time. And so that made me think because Colin and Lid just posted, Spencer in changes his views, the Feds just got to him and maybe there’s something to that.
Speaker 18: I don’t know. I don’t know who’s a who’s not fed. I don’t know how to process those types of assertion. You hear them so often. Yeah.
And how would and , everyone’s either a fed or a pe file, , on the dis right. Right. It’s like, just throw hands. So , know, I I think a real pull… , the things that kids need to learn today aren’t sexy.
They’re not and they’re boring. You and their practical. And there needs to be a voice for sort of a the joys of getting things done and being practical in developing skills, and just turn off the Internet, and especially in your twenties, and just… , you kinda you gotta pay your dues from your twenties in the it needs to leave that voice.
Speaker 0: So what have you been listening to, surely, you need some entertainment, you’re not subscribing to Netflix. So have you been getting your entertainment from Youtube.
Speaker 18: I Yeah. I… I’m pure Youtube. I’m pure Youtube all the way. Yeah.
And I just use it as a radio. I don’t really watch it because… , I have things to do, man. I got I got a business to run. I got I got shit going on, Bro.
Speaker 0: And how how is that working out?
Speaker 18: Not well. It’s been… It’s it’s been 1 headache after another. I’m slowly drowning, but I’ve , you committed to you… You start.
It’s like, you start something. You think it’s gonna go 1 way. You think it’s gonna be easy. And you think it’s not gonna consume you. And the fact is you don’t know what’s gonna happen, and things do tend up.
Not going the what you expected to do, and they do end up consuming you. And so I’m learning that painful lesson. But I’m too deep now. I can’t back out, or I’d… If, , if I were to, I’d have to, , take a big loss, which I’m not willing to do.
Speaker 0: So, the chat says instead of wondering if dis are pe files or feds, we can just call them better files.
Speaker 18: Why not? , I tuned into Ethan Ralph the other day. He came on Twitter. And I I’d only heard him. I’d only listen to other people cri him.
And so I tried to, like, listen to him firsthand. And the whole show just seemed to be about him, his problems and his enemies and how his enemies or cons firing against him and how there are pieces of shit and how , he’s so put upon and he didn’t do enough. , just just boring, boring stuff. And it just goes on for hours and hours of course. And these people have committed to the streaming lifestyle and of because they they saw this dopamine.
Right? That it was like, here’s a great way to make a living that that… That’s pure dopamine and viral and really… Involves no hard work. And now they’ve paradox turned into work the h because they have to stream and they have to stream just to make their make their make their bacon, and it it’s life as a way of doing this, , it backfire fires in ways.
, you see a shortcut, you think it’s a shortcut, but really, it turns out to be a long cut because you just didn’t want to start at to the beginning. And do it?
Speaker 0: Do Yeah. I mean, similar thing with Destiny, like, most of his streams are about, , fighting with his enemies. That I’m getting the the left wing streamers who get head to the left of of destiny, like much of his streams taken up with, , fighting these various left and how rep they are.
Speaker 18: Yeah. I don’t know. Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 0: So what have you been listening to anything? Anything good. And…
Speaker 18: Running out. I need I need some ear candy. I I started listening to music again. Mh. Thought.
There’s this good music out there on Youtube, so you kinda have to look for it. As in contrast to the absolute crap that’s on the radio. So I’ve been trying to listen to the radio in the car. And and I don’t know why It’s this mass to mas urge I have. But I used to remember being able to turn on the radio and like what I listen to.
And now it is so idiotic. And there’s, like, 3 channels, that are potentially have some interesting things to listen to. But they’re all pun by this crab. And it’s just amazing that there’s no… There’s, like, 30 30 stations on the dial and there’s still nothing to listen to.
I don’t know. It’s Pet peeve even my. Because I do love the radio, , I’ve always liked the radio. And So by the way, yes. So anyway, when am I listening I listened to a lot of music listening to lectures here and there, but not about pilots.
And like I said, mostly sleeping in the. I listened to something, and I looked I I looked for boring stuff, so it will put me to sleep. Yeah. Not because I wanna listen to today.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I’m I’m currently listening to this Richard Ben Kramer. Book what it takes. It’s about the 19 88 election I’ve already read it, about 10:15 years ago, but I just let it play all night as I move in and out of sleep. As I struggle with my cpap.
Like, I try to leave my cpap on, but sometimes, I just sometimes I just give up, , I just earth driving me crazy, which, , activates me which makes it more difficult for me to sleep, so I just take it off, , have low quality sleep without it, but Yeah. Instead of letting my mind wander into dangerous neighborhoods. I I just leave leave Richard Bank Kramer playing or night. Is that morse code? Are you tapping for…
Speaker 18: I was trying to mute my coughing. This cpap machine here you ever gonna add outgrow this, that seems like really cumbersome.
Speaker 0: Well, it… When… Well, first of all, it’s… So often got some benefits in the sending air up, my nostrils which will often open up my nasal passages. So I don’t know about you.
But sometimes my nasal passages, , get clogged up way too easily. And so just having a device will open up my nasal passages is fantastic. And sometimes, I find it a comfort. And so having an additional source of comfort that also gives me higher quality rested and sleep. So it has some some benefits.
Apparently, sleep apnea does not get worse after about age 60 or 65. So According to my test about 15 years ago, I’ve got mild sleep apnea when I sleep on my side and moderate sleep apnea when I sleep on my back, but when I had the test on I weighed a hundred and 80 pounds. So now weigh a hundred and 70 pounds, even like that 10 pound difference can make it. But significant decrease in sleep apnea. So it’s just…
It’s a little help.
Speaker 18: This see seems so cumbersome to have this. Device threat to you when you’re trying to sleep? No?
Speaker 0: Yeah. So it certainly can get get on my No. The important thing is that I now I use it to serve me rather than me being a servant of the cpap if I can keep the cpap a servant to my best interest, and, , not allow myself to get too agitated about it and and not , condemn myself for not using as much as I should, then it serves me. It’s like the phone. Right?
If you’re constantly jumping, but notifications on your phone, then, , your phone has become m adaptive. So any any new channels that you’ve been checking out you youtube?
Speaker 18: Oh, not really. I I listen to you 10 Brown. He popped up on my feet. I listened to him the other day, and I was so disappointed. He sort of weighed in on this Steve sailor thing.
And it was very clear that he’d never read.
Speaker 0: Oh yeah. I was very just quite in that too. Yeah. It was crap.
Speaker 18: It was so bad.
Speaker 0: So bad.
Speaker 18: And yet he himself this sort of guru figure, ? Yeah. With this knowledge and he’s managed vince a certain amount of people that he has his knowledge. And all he does is just add l, add in item. With no basis whatsoever.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 18: And I found it really unattractive. And I think he’s just another Richard Spencer type that has never really done anything. He’s never saw anything on do to completion. He’s just kind of skid along the surface and he’s paid no consequence. ?
Speaker 0: And just try to create a code.
Speaker 18: Yeah. And I thought people that said that they were doing that were just joking. But it’s literally true. That’s what he’s trying to do. And he thinks he has access to some sort of special knowledge.
And I can’t believe I drove that guy around in my car. Like, I was embarrassed. ? It it was really disappointing. And so I wrote a comment and chat, like, have you ever read a single Steve Sailor column, which went under replied to.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I was disappointed in it too because Ken Brown is very intelligent. Right, he has a huge upside. Right? This guy properly directed could be a tremendous force for good.
But he’s wasting his skills because he seems like he’s disconnected from, know, ordinary forms of human connection. So it doesn’t feel like he belongs to a church, it doesn’t feel like he has mentors. Doesn’t feel like he’s part of a strongly connected family extended family or or or community. And so he’s relying on signals from his audience about how to directors his efforts. And it’s…
It just seems a vast waste to his considerable talent.
Speaker 18: Yeah. Yeah. The Chinese have an expression. Or, like, the Kung community. I I think it was some either, like, Kung through the Tv series or Kung fu, like, a Kung movie and I don’t know how it goes in Chinese.
But they say that you you cannot taste bitter. Right? , which is… Which goes to the lack of grit. Mh.
Know, if you’re really gonna sort of be a leader, you have to break new ground and you have to you have to see things out. You have to go, , you have to push through, and you can’t just fake it because it… It becomes apparent to everybody. Now even without knowing you can know that… Yeah.
It’s just not coming from an authentic place. You can just tell that the sky is deeply rooted.
Speaker 0: So I I often find tremendous benefit along with the pain of illness in that forces me to stop doing things that I habit obituary do. It usually it usually acts like pressing reset on my computer. Like, I basically shut down and then slowly restart my life when I get sick like this. I stop doing things and thinking things that are a bit sure to me, I tend to kinda rethink everything that I’m committed and dedicated to, and I start playing out in my mind if I go in a in a different direction how it might this work out. So it’s like an adaptive use of depression.
Like, when you depressed, And when you’re sick, you stop doing habit things and you stop thinking long traditional lines, and you suck questioning everything that you’re committed to. And and then out of that, often emerges a clarity and a redirecting for one’s life. I don’t know if you’ve experienced this.
Speaker 18: I totally, I I feel like it’s sort of, like you’ve been everything’s been sort of stripped back to bear wood, and you have to build things up a little bit more carefully. So I’ve been really reflecting. , I I eat well, and I exercise and, , generally leave lead a healthy lifestyle, but I… I’ve been really reflecting it, like, What more can I tip, , like, I shouldn’t be punished like this? I don’t deserve this.
They do this to fucking me, Bro. So, yeah, I’ve been looking at, , I’ve been thinking about what what I… The words I say. Like, . And, like, not remaining silent when I could remain silent.
Like, there’s a lot of opportunities. To just nuts say anything, which are probably better. , there’s opportunities to just be a bit more tactical a bit more strategic and not f time or resources or just make better choices. So, yeah, that’s what illness does for me. And I just feel like I do that anyway, and I don’t need to be punished like this.
That’s that that’s the point I don’t get.
Speaker 0: But it’s so profound like it reduces you to your knees and it forces you to rethink things that are that are painful. And you wouldn’t naturally predisposed to rethink them if your life was going along fine.
Speaker 18: Absolutely. Yes. You don’t learn from the good times. ? Pain makes you reflect to make the reflective.
Speaker 0: And I become much more willing to consider that I was wrong and this that when I’m sick.
Speaker 18: Yeah. There’s definitely some of that.
Speaker 0: Because the the self righteousness and the self assured and the exaggerated sense of one’s own importance. I find gets ripped away when I’m sick.
Speaker 18: Yes. It a tumbling for sure. Yeah. Like, And you’re like, like, when you get up and you’re like coughing, and you don’t know if your coughs are gonna be successful or not, If they’re not successful, you’re just gonna suffocate to that. , it’s mary.
It’s scary. It said there is that… There’s a certain mortality reckoning.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. It it makes you realize how, , how vulnerable we are, , how easily we can , shuffle off this multi coil and and sometimes how much we need other people, but has that that realization also hit you.
Speaker 18: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. As I’m getting older now. And that’s just the thing.
It’s, like, is this just a bad flu or am I getting older? , you’re doing… You have this calculus you have to do now. Well, maybe you just don’t have the immune system you used to. , Colin says I should wear a mask when I’m out in public.
I thought about that, and I just don’t. No. III just… It pains me. I would…
It just pains me to, like, look into the window and see it. Masked re hard looking back you and then realizing that mastery charges you. I just don’t know we could do that.
Speaker 0: So you still believe in something you believe that that mars is stupid. So you haven’t reached 100 percent nihilism.
Speaker 18: Yeah, holding on by a thread. And that I’m like, how did I get this? Like, I I , tennessee… Can I trace this to a particular person? I entitled to some?
Can I sue you go through all kinds thoughts like this? Like, how can they do this to fucking me types of thoughts. So anyway, how do… So my next, I’m gonna try and spend a month on figuring out. Lung health and immunity boosting.
I I don’t wanna ever go through this again. I just done with it. I’m… It’s just… I’ve learned what I needed.
And is this possible. ? Am I just barking at the wrong tree? Like, Are there people that go through life that just don’t get way laid by these disgusting flu at every?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. I talking to a woman who hasn’t been sick. , with with the flu for…
Speaker 18: Since you before covid.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I get I get… Well, this is the first time.
Speaker 18: I lost you.
Speaker 0: Yeah. This is the first time that I was this sick in in a year to the best of my knowledge. I might be blanking out on something. But, yeah, I typically get the flu probably 3 times a year. I’m pretty bad.
Typically down, like, 2 weeks a year.
Speaker 18: Oh, that’s even more than me, man. That’s That’s it’s probably related to the cpap issue. ? And when whatever’s driving the Cpap problems is probably driving your fleet. That’s a long time.
2 weeks a year is a lot of time.
Speaker 0: Stephen James says Elliott needs some antibiotics and a short course of steroids like prednisone. And he’ll be fixed in a couple of weeks. Go to the doctors for God’s sake. Do you have health insurance?
Speaker 18: No. I don’t.
Speaker 0: Oh my god.
Speaker 18: I don’t. why? Wow. Why. Because every time I’ve used it, It it doesn’t cover the things that I want, which are dental.
When I have it, I want dental insurance. Right? I wanna go my teeth that would. None of these health insurance has covered a significant amount of… It doesn’t cover the stuff you need.
Right? It covers all of this other stuff that I don’t need. And I just can’t get anything approximating value for money. So… And the other thing is if anything ever serious happens to you, you just bargain them down.
And you can ga down? You say well sign insurance give you x, and they’ll accept x because the whole pricing of medicine in the United States is predicated on the fact that they know how to extract as much as possible from insurance group. Things. We have a terrible term, now insurance system
Speaker 0: Life incredibly precarious in the United States. Like, we’re the anti first world country without socialize medicine. I’m not saying we should have it. But it the fact is there’s so much more fear in in America for the average person.
Speaker 18: Yeah. But that’s sort of not true. If you can’t pay for anything, you just get it for free, and they bill you until you’re dead. But you still get medical care. Right?
Yeah. You’re still in
Speaker 0: medical care, but you can go bankrupt. Lot of Americans go bankrupt. Because they have so many medical expenses.
Speaker 18: That’s probably true too. But you looked the way most people eat in America. They act as though, health care is free. Right? You look at the disgusting food that’s available at stock…
In super super supermarkets. They eat stupid food, they get preventable diseases, and all the insurance money, all of the health care dollars get applied towards people who are too stupid to take care of themselves. And the rest of us who do eat properly, who may occasionally break their own skiing like myself , and maybe, , need a health care for some sort of outlier event, , I have to pay top dollar, because the… The health insurance system is designed to subsidize re returns It’s for our tax all over again. Go ahead.
Speaker 0: Hey you seem to think that being healthy is a… Resort of moral choice. When here, I’ll give you a rejoin to that is that the people who are leading the most social lives. Right? People who have children, you’re in school.
Right? They’re gonna get sick much more than people who don’t because their kids go to score, pick up things and then transmit it to their parents. And people who have active socialize lives are gonna get sick much more than those who don’t have active socialize lives. So I… Am I am I correct that you believe largely that staying healthy is the result of an individual’s moral choices.
Speaker 18: I wouldn’t to necessarily more allowed just as a practical and sensible. Like, where the, , the last hundred years, all… A hundred years ago, all food was organic food. Right? There was not this distinction because people just ate organic free.
They ate home cooked meals. They did a moderate amount of exercise as part of living their lives. ? And they maintain their health. People were healthier back then.
You look at all the advancements in medicine you would think there’d be some sort of decline in the amount of illness. Right? But now it’s gonna… Everything that’s gotten work. It gotten worse.
And things bit worse is because we eat like re. The food system is for re returns. The the advertising of food is debit is directed at re returns and re returns, listen to this advertising, and they act on it, and then they become , disgusting unhealthy. So it’s not moral. It’s practical.
It’s simply a matter of cause effect and , we all price.
Speaker 0: Yeah. This is part of your a hero system, but is there any peer reviewed academic research that supports your point of view, Elliot? It Or. I think you’ve got bad epidemics, Bro?
Speaker 18: My epidemics fine bro. It’s practical. Right? You… 1 rule, how, you don’t go to Supermarkets get get all your stuff.
Right. Sense you by, Amazon. But if you go to, like, a Costco, you literally cannot look at anybody else. You have to look at the floor because you’ll see 1 disgusting spectacle after another, , some re hard the mobility scooter with, like, , giant, , boxes of cake stacked on top of 1 another It’s just 1 disgusting scene after another. Food needs to be hard to come by, and need to be more expensive, and it needs to be ration.
Speaker 0: I mean, we’ve all gotta have an ethos. I. So this is your ethos. I It’s better than national socialism.
Speaker 18: Well, listen. The last time I went to a doctor, and it was for this breath. It was sort of a for the Asthma thing. They gave me this stuff. And I took it, and my arms just but broke out in hive and it didn’t address my breathing issue.
Right? So not only could I not breathe my entire arms, which is fest tuned with these itchy hive, I just don’t get value from the medical system. Anyway
Speaker 0: Okay. So I thought that cold and flu is basically the same, so Gl Med was saying the chatter I haven’t had the fluid at 30 years, but I get chords. And so it it depends on on your perspective. So influenza in the common chord, both contagious. Respiratory illnesses, but they are caused by different viruses.
That’s according to the Cdc. So so I I guess there is a significant flu is caused by influenza viruses only, the common call can be caused by a number of different viruses. Such as rhino coronaviruses, power influenza and seasonal coronaviruses.
Speaker 18: Well, right. There’s 3 candidates now. There’s Rs v, which is… Sort of respiratory virus is our good friend Covid. Don’t mention that.
I don’t wanna use. When now there’s talk of bird flu going around, some
Speaker 0: Mh.
Speaker 18: I don’t know, , I don’t know what I had, but enough enough. I,
Speaker 0: You but you feel that this is a reflection on you as a man.
Speaker 18: Well, no.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Because you’re saying… Go ahead.
Speaker 18: Well, I just feel unlucky. I I don’t know. Like, shouldn’t it enough? To eat properly get moderate exercise, and if you get a cold, maybe it’s 1 or 2 day thing and not this too week, , about with death.
Speaker 0: But but it’s clearly not true because people who eat exceptionally well, but have young children. In my empirical experience, they get sick more often than people who don’t eat as well, but simply don’t have young children.
Speaker 18: Yeah. That’s true. That’s true. That’s why I should never leave house not to interact these people.
Speaker 0: How would you compare this this current flu with your episode of throat gonorrhea?
Speaker 18: Good question. , III I’d made a little spreadsheet to compare the 2. And I was, , tab I had this had a little animal a scoring system, and, , it’s some were… It was very difficult. It’s very difficult.
It’s sort of in progress right it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Have you ever had a sexually transmitted disease?
Speaker 18: No. I haven’t had a pleasure.
Speaker 0: Really? You didn’t have, like, general watts or anal watts or syphilis or…
Speaker 18: Oh, okay. I had to kill Monkey pot. I didn’t have bucks. Yeah. I’ve forgot about that.
I’d blocked it out. How about you, luke?
Speaker 0: Now. I never have. And I’ve been…
Speaker 12: I…
Speaker 0: I’m not boasting. I’m just saying this was shame. I Yeah. I’ve been quite the player.
Speaker 18: Yeah. You’re the most likely to. I you… Right.
Speaker 0: I mean, I’ve I’ve been around. I mean, I did some intrepid undercover investigative reporting in certain industries that you would thinking they predisposed me to…
Speaker 18: Yeah. You that’s some industrial occupational hazards that you… Right. That’s to navigate.
Speaker 0: And I was willing to do that for you for the for the public to, , dig down deep to get to the bottom to stay on top.
Speaker 18: Yeah. We know that. And we appreciate it. Look that’s why we… That’s why all 10 of us tune in week after we.
Still anyway. Oh, alright. Look, listen. That’s about it. I got Okay.
Speaker 0: Last name is Bro.
Speaker 18: Wow, hard question. But
Speaker 0: that’s the activist approach. It’s like a close up in a movie. Okay? Or a Tv show. I can close ups.
Is more emotionally intense, generally speaking than a long shot. Okay? And so the activist point of view is close up. It’s emotionally intense it’s… , we gotta get angry.
We gotta take action. We gotta get back at these guys. We gotta, in know it’s to combat. We gotta fight back. Okay?
So my personality, generally speaking. Is to look at thing. Going from the 10000 point level. Okay. That’s my tendency.
It’s not to be an activist That’s to Real people up. I like people to get happy. Because I think 95 percent of people, 95 percent of the time can glide through life. In 95 percent of the time, my opinion is if you’re not colliding through life, that’s because of you. Right if you are.
I’m talking about have people in the first world. In normal situations. Not in awful situations. Coming through live, creating turbulence getting banned, getting kicked out of places, losing friends, getting disinfected. D platform, my bias is that’s primarily on you.
So an activist bias is looking how unfair this is, we’re getting screwed, big tech is out to get us. And so I don’t think think that’s primarily what’s going on with Alex Jones. I think he was operating on thin ice. And then he said something recently. There was just so far over the line that not many people are goodwill are going to say yeah, this guy needs to be on these major social media platforms.
So what did what did he say recently? And he said, essentially that he was gonna intimate he’s gonna shoot George Mueller, the the special counsel investigator of the the Russian k Illusion story. So that’s… I think that that went down something like July 20 second, if you just Google Judge and his comments his against George Mueller. I think that was just the straw the Brexit proverbial camel back.
Likes So there are many reasons I’m not a big fan of Alex Jones. I think is hawking of well, seemed like… S supplements. This makes it… This makes it show the equivalent load of a of a battery neighborhood.
Okay. You’re gonna, , or what seemed like ridiculous ridiculous supplements. And I’m a big fan. But that’s almost all right wing content. Neighborhood Alright.
Oversaw right wing radio shows and commercially successful podcast and live streams, hawk absolutely ridiculous brain dead supplements. Supplements. So it’s not like I think, oh, all supplements are well not. Big greatest supplements, but the way… I just had trust Alec jones.
Okay. I’m glad he’s on outside. I guess, I’m glad he’s a Trump supporter. I’m glad he he energizes low people who follow him. But everything Pretty much about it and gives me the Willie.
So that was a very funny, on the show of that Hbo show with that English comedian, pretty just like a 15 minute segment on Alex Jones supplement showing. And it’s just so cringe worthy. So Not a I’m not an Alex Jones fan. I’m not outraged by him either. But to say that Sandy Hook was Think Government plot.
Okay I think that’s ridiculous.
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Speaker 0: Right. It’s so it helps if your side dominates our institutions. Right, then it’s a lot easier to have respectable advertisers.
Speaker 19: The closest equivalent I found was Car, a sustainable shoe brand that sponsors Pod save America. The right, meanwhile, has long hoc products that you don’t typically see advertised on mainstream outlets and shows. In 2007, the historian Rick Pearls steam chronic a far fetched investment opportunity involving stem cells and placenta advertised on the far right website News max. Supplements and gold have become part of conservative advertising cannon as the writer Sam Cri, summed up in his recent essay on the ads that appear in national reviews Print magazine. The same apocalyptic note ran through all these ads The hospitals will shut down, the planet will…
Speaker 0: And this subs my point that the dominant right wing discourse over talk radio. And live streams at podcast is moron along with the quality of the advertising.
Speaker 19: Freeze over, you personally are getting old and dying. And now your money might be worthless if you haven’t put it all in gold. Some of Kirk ads hit the same beats. At times, they sound a little jarring. You are…
Speaker 0: And I have these right wing friends are just continually, like, pushing me to invest in gold or invest in silver. To invest in this or that.
Speaker 19: Or 9 meals away from anarchy. He said in 1 ad for buckets of food rations. From a website called my patriot supply dot com dot yet. As the world of…
Speaker 0: And I advertise them for months, and I… Got some of their product. I I keep it , it’s safety, but you get something like, 90 meals for hundred and 50 dollars. A good deal.
Speaker 19: Bright wing coded products has expanded, so has the weirdness of ads for them. For 10 years, It’s Patriot Mobile has been America’s only Christian conservative wireless provider started another ad. Switching to Patriot Mobile. Kirk explained, would mean that you’re sending the message that you support free speech, religious liberty, the san of life, the second amendment, our military veterans and first responder heroes, while getting the same coverage you’ve been accustomed to without funding the left. How?
By renting access to all 3 major networks via a business deal with T Mobile. A company that has positioned itself as at least nominally left of center on some issues. If listeners are feeling charitable, Kirk has options for them too. Hey, everybody. Exciting news, very very important.
We are saving babies with pre born. Kirk opened up a dollar matching promo for a group raising money for ultrasound, apparently having managed to quantify the precise dollar amount it would take to stop a woman from having an abortion. For a 1 time 15000 dollar gift, You’ll provide not just 1 ultrasound machine, but 2, saving thousands of babies for years to come. 280 dollars saves 10 babies, 28 dollars a month saves a baby a month for less than a dollar a day. Conservative podcasts have become mega popular in recent years,
Speaker 0: so when I was a teenager, I wanted to donate to these organizations where like, you can peed 1 hungry child for just 20 dollars a month. But my parents thought that that might be too much of a commitment for me.
Speaker 19: There are some of the most trusted sources of news on the right. Kirk show ranks as the twelfth most popular news podcast on Spotify right now. The show is also syndicated on radio stations across the country and posted on Youtube, where Kirk has 1700000.0 subscribers.
Speaker 0: And, Rick in the chats as we need our own parallel institutions we do. It’s and we’ve made some progress. Alright? We’ve got rumble. We’ve the we we the right is is doing better, but still we have to face the the the the left in the center left dominate our institutions.
Speaker 19: And although… So
Speaker 0: my point is remember, there was a feeling in 20 19 20 20 that almost all out live streaming options were just going to get strangled by left wing censorship, and that hasn’t turned out.
Speaker 19: Rid of influencers including candace Owens, Matt Walsh, and Jack. Also promote gold or supplements or both on their own shows. Kirk ads were the most varied of the conservative pot
Speaker 0: So most of these companies sell it gold is just a complete rip off. So It it it must sap your soul to be promoting things that or that are bad for people.
Speaker 19: Cast ads I listen to. Some conservatives, however, want no part of these kinds of ads. Earlier this month, the right wing Youtuber Stephen Crowd made fun of his conte for hawking, shitty supplements. Most of it is selling you crap you don’t need from people who don’t care about you, Crowd yelled at the end of a 4 minute rant on the matter. The ads reflect the new paradigm of advertising.
Speaker 0: But good first Stephen Crowd.
Speaker 19: In previous decades, ads had to appeal to whole segments of the population, and products were made with that in mind. That some readers of Vanity Fair might want a Given handbag, and some readers of sports illustrated might want Call away golf clubs was as targeted as ads could get. Now the country has fractured into partisan subgroups, and companies have access to re of analytics that enable them to target ever more precise demographics. Through shows like Kirk, brands such as blackout coffee and patriot mobile can reach their relatively niche audiences more easily than ever.
Speaker 0: So the apocalyptic tone of the dominant right wing discourse , matches the apocalyptic. Thick tone of these ads, and there’s something about apocalyptic, which refers to the time of the end because my father specialized in it,
Speaker 19: Blackout coffee and patriot Mobile did not respond to my requests for comment. But something else is happening too, Kirk and the rest of the conservative podcast ecosystem aren’t just selling ware. The ads with some exceptions, are not like ads for beer or pickup trucks that d from the action while 1 watches, say a football game. Rather, conservative ads are constitute. They enhance and reinforce the arguments that Kirk and others are already making on their podcasts.
That black people are prone to crime, whiteness is getting excise, abortion is murder, and the United States is unstable, and on the verge of collapse.
Speaker 0: And the chat says the gold won’t mean much when you need tools and food. Well, the best thing that you should invest in is your relationships with your… Family, your extended family, your friends and your community.
Speaker 19: The commercial breaks are the final screws needed to construct a self contained conservative chamber. Kirk has en himself in a world in which he’ll likely never face external pressures to self moderate in the way that. Say, Rush Limbaugh occasionally did when he went too far beyond the tastes of mainstream advertisers. When you’re listening to Kirk talk about blackout coffee, can also look down and see the steam coming off your own cup of blackout coffee, and relax while its caffeine helps you be awake, not woke. You You can open a new browser tab and check in on your portfolio, whose wealth managers are endorsed by Kirk, and then look at the price of gold.
And think about your own supply procured from a company that kirk himself vetted from top to bottom.
Speaker 0: Okay. That will do it for today. Take care, guys. Bye bye.