01:00 Hate Comments About Gus Walz, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=157131
14:00 Tucker Carlson – The FULL Interview, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H1tjQ-RaZU
15:30 What’s going on with Ken Brown aka Deep Left Jokl? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aALp15nKpUI
26:00 Kamala Harris, LBJ & The Passage Of Power, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=157143
34:30 How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy: IPA Encounters with Batya Ungar-Sargon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P81rbOs0pWc
38:00 Batya Ungar-Sargon got her PhD from UC Berkeley: Her dissertation was Coercive Pleasures: The Force and Form of the Novel 1719-1740, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batya_Ungar-Sargon
54:00 Elliott Blatt joins to talk about Ken Brown aka Deep Left Jokl
1:10:00 News: French authorities arrest Telegram CEO Pavel Durov at a Paris airport, https://apnews.com/article/france-russia-telegram-paris-durov-arrest-63cd8e5663c6b6f3404745866d662954
1:11:00 Andrew Tate’s commentary on the arrest
1:27:50 Civility vs truth
1:29:00 Stephen J. James joins the show to discuss speech crackdown in the UK
1:54:00 ADHD medication such as adderall
2:00:00 SSRIs, https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/06/23/epidemic-mental-illness-why/
2:21:00 Kip joins to talk about SSRIs
3:00:00 The New York Times operated project feels
3:02:00 Kip on the three stages of money
3:29:10 Mainstream media caught in ‘woke stranglehold’: Batya Ungar-Sargon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxzvZ29zaXQ
3:35:30 Wrestlers, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrestlers_(TV_series)
3:38:30 Wyatt Earp and the Cowboy War, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt33038128/
3:39:00 Tucker Carlson Explains Why JD Vance is Actually Normal… But Tim Walz is the Weird VP Candidate, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xu7hyxLqeY
3:39:50 17 Ugly Psychology Truths No One Wants To Admit – Adam Lane Smith, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOvSVmx_F-c
3:41:00 Women who have sex on the first date
3:43:00 Trump vs Harris Debate Behaviors. What to watch for, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEIjlhlCT5M
3:50:10 Defining grifting as excessive profiteering, https://www.patreon.com/DecodingTheGurus/posts
3:54:00 Social psychologist Jonathan Haidt
3:58:00 Elon Musk, Gad Saad, Jonathan Haidt, James Lindsay and company would have been saner if they had been less adulated
4:01:30 Natcon Squad dissects Democrats, Kamala Harris, https://x.com/NatConTalk/status/1827604928581292536
4:07:25 How to Make Peace With Your Life, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfCGGMw0yHQ
Podnotes transcript:
Speaker 0: Good May 40 here. So Gus waltz is the 17 year old learning disabled son of the Democrats Vice presidential nominee, Tim Watts, and Gus waltz had a a particularly intense Bay reaction to his father that drew quite a bit of comment. And I think there’s lots to discuss, but let me play first of all, the 17 second excerpt of Gus seeming to repeatedly yell. That’s my father.
Speaker 1: Because this is a big part world and I love you.
Speaker 0: Gus well it’s reacting. Thanks. I’m. That’s my dad. That’s my dad.
Speaker 1: On how we started a family because this is a big park world.
Speaker 0: Okay. Incredibly intense reaction there by gus walls. And the normal natural thing to do is to react. Al? If you’re the type of person who’s constantly sharing your thoughts with everyone about everything that you’re seeing on Tv, then you’re going to show and describe and and talk about this over the top Gus waltz reaction.
So the casual way to respond if you’re an outgoing person who wants to share your thoughts with the world is to go, well, that’s interesting. That’s intense. If if people have intense reactions or they are speaking acting or dressing in a provocative way. . You’re you’re likely to respond to that.
So the casual thing to do is to respond and go, wow, that was over the top reaction that was a beautiful reaction or that was a weird reaction. The the casual response is to react. But the reflex response. , which is where you’re monitoring your own behavior is to be very careful. And to not say anything because you’re dealing with the politicians child, and the reflex, careful considered response, , is to stay silent until you figure out what is the socially acceptable thing to do in this sort of reaction.
So that’s the buffett identity. ? That’s where we stand outside of ourself where we use our rationality, our our judgment social cues to figure out what’s the appropriate way to respond. So the more prestigious your position in society, the more incentivized you are to provide the the more careful for, the more considered, the more disciplined, the more reflective a response whenever there’s a question about what socially appropriate. And I’ve gone through my life way too often, using the inappropriate response.
And and then about a year ago, I finally got diagnosed with Adhd. And once I got, an Adhd medication, then lot of these problems went went away for me. I just have to take a pill. Just have to take adderall a role, and it’s a lot easier for me to figure out. A lot lot easier to to figure out what’s an appropriate response.
So there advantages to the casual reaction to just saying what’s on your mind, and there are advantages to the more considered a disciplined reflex reaction. And the more prestigious your position in society, the boy you have to lose by saying the wrong thing here. So I I consider the moral ideal that you do not react publicly to gus by saying, what a or what a spas?
But I I recognize for millions of people who watch that clip. That would be their instinct casual reaction. So it takes restraint if you’re the type of person who’s already posting and sharing on social media, your every straight thought. To not publicly comment on this emotional display by gus wells.
And I do believe in the moral ideal to not pick on children to not pick on the children of politicians to not pick on the disabled, certainly not publicly, So Gus is 17, he’s not a child, but is not legally an adult. Ideally, we do not pick other children of politicians. I think that’s an awesome idea that is the civil thing to do. But when we do the civil thing, we’re also losing out on the casual truthful or natural reaction.
The natural human reaction is to have a response to Gus Waltz extreme reaction to his dad. The casual thing is to say something about gus response. But the discipline reflex thing is to speak with great care about members of a protected class such right as children. Similarly, when Joe Biden seems aisle or Kamala harris seems drunk.
The natural thing is to describe what you think you see. While the civil thing is to stay silent until you learn these socially appropriate response. The I love civility, and I love truth. And these 2 values are often in conflict. In fact, almost all values operate in a constellation where they’re constantly competing with each other, So sometimes to me truth is more important.
In some situations, truth is more important. Other situations civility is more important, send up comics, bloggers, live streamers, much of their appeal is that they get to say natural reactions. That a more considered reflex response were not dare to utter. So I would like a wider Overt window, I would like a wider window for what we can say. If if politicians display their spouse, and their kids
They are using them in part as props, their own political advantage, then they are deliberately putting their family in front and make them more likely to be the subject subjective of criticism or critique or vi . I… I’m the son of a famous preacher in the small world of seventh day adventist, and I’ve often milk those advantages in often shameful ways. For example, for months a month, I would show up uni unrelated to my dad’s workplace. To get regular paid work until I was fired because I was not a particularly good worker.
So I’ve often tried to milk my father’s fame. I sold a newsletter. When I was at my teens where I I promise subscribe as is the latest of what was going on in the Ford family. So much of what I did was shameful the way I tried to milk my father’s fame. I remember my father was put on trial at Gl glacier of you, conference in 19 80 in outside of Denver, Colorado, by the Of the adventist church for his radical theological views.
And 1 day the head of the South Adventist church. So the Of the adventist church is hierarchical, assembly, The Roman catholic church is hierarchical. While judaism and many parts protestantism a congregation. Each each congregation has its own independent leader, but someday advent has a general conference director, the equivalent of a pope, and the general conference director was a very savvy political player named Neil Wilson, and I remember the day I was sitting in on my father’s trial.
And Neil Wilson just dressed my dad down severely. And I was just fro mad. And I was told people close to me, we’re we’re embarrassed to bring you. If you’re gonna react this emotionally. ?
You should react rationally. ? You should react reflex. You should react with with care. But I had not quite the intense emotional response of gus walls.
But I was furious seeing my father dressed down and humiliated publicly. So I I understand the reactions of Gus walls here. Now I I put Gus watts into Google News along with the word hate. Without quotation marks. And I noticed there are dozens of mainstream media articles condemning right wing reactions to Gus waltz as hateful.
Now I think this is a bogus critique. ? Ideally, people don’t criticize children . But the amount of restraint that this would take in this type of situation if you’re already a type of person is just broadcasting his thoughts on a political convention is tremendous. ?
That there’s a much… Discipline required to rest restore yourself to immediately respond to some intense display like this. And there there were many ugly criticisms of gus walls and ideally, that would not happen. But there is a loss when you reduce your sp and your natural casual reactions to things. ?
So there is a a significant price paid when you optimize civility over truth So we would have been better off as a nation. If we had practiced less civility with Joe Biden long frequent stretches of seeming civility. If if we had used more casual natural reactions to talk about Kamala Harris behavior and to simply note that she sounds drunk. , if indeed, Kamala Harris has a drinking problem, Zen problem.
The the natural casual reaction that she sounds drunk here that she sounds like she might have a Zen x problem. If indeed, she does, then that would be valuable for the republic. ? We really don’t want to elect an alcoholic and someone with a shouldn’t an addiction to benz.
So transmitting your raw reaction of what you see and what you feel. There are many upsides to that and downsides. And I think overall in public discussion, we have ratchet too much portability civility and away from truth. So I’ve often commented over the past 7 weeks that elites the mainstream media, and the university educated by and light were blinded to Joe Biden obvious by their own speech codes by their own inclination of the discipline and reflective of the the Buffett identity.
So 1 possible way of reconciling the competing values of civility and truth is to describe what you see without adding ridicule. Perhaps we can simply describe, but seems like sane fidelity on the part of Joe Biden past we can just describe that Kamala harris seems drunk. Perhaps we can just describe Gus Waltz intense outburst and perhaps skip the vi victory, but then this also comes with a loss of sp and humanity. And, if someone around you, dresses speaks or acts provocative, you have to reduce your humanity by inhibiting your natural reactions in staying silent.
And often that’s the good thing to do. I started using pod notes and an app to get these highly imperfect summaries and transcripts of my shows. And I noticed that I say the word right way too often. I usually cut out the word the phrase , because that said, way too often, but I noticed whatever I share a thought, I tend to finish it with right is a question mark. So 1 way of understanding what’s going on here, is a book came out in 19 79 by intellectual Alvin Gardner.
Books called the future of intellectual on the rise of the new class, a frame of reference, These, con, arguments and an historical perspective on the role of intellectual an intelligence in the international class contest of the modern era. Wow, That is some title. The culture of the new class exists exact still other costs, since its discourse emphasizes the importance of carefully edited speech. This has the vice of its virtue. In its virtuous aspect, self editing implies a commendable ci, care, self discipline and seriousness.
In its negative Modality, self editing dispose toward an unhealthy self consciousness who had s convoluted speech and inhibition of play, imagination and passion and continual pressure for expressive discipline. So the new rationality becomes the source of a new alien nation. So calling for ever more degrees of watchful and self discipline, Ccd, the culture of critical discourse produces intellectual reflex, reflex means that you constantly monitoring yourself and the loss of warmth and sp 80. And this reflex stresses the importance of adjusting your action to standards of propriety which are constantly evolving and changing. Therefore, a structured in flexibility comes when facing changing situations.
There is a certain disregard of the different in situations and an insistence on hu to the required rule. So I’ve been blogging since July third of 19 97 and as a blogger without an editor. I often publish raw thoughts that normal people find socially unacceptable. And sometimes, when I look back on things I’ve published, I I wins.
A lot of what I published has been incredibly ugly, are unnecessary, creepy, and then sometimes publishing your raw thoughts is the good thing to do. Sometimes it’s beautiful and bold. So it’s not as though raw reactions are inherently superior or inferior to thought through considered reflex reactions. Your There’s a price to pay with either type of reaction.
So I grew up among protestants who self sense far more than Jews. I converted to judaism, Age 20 7II love the easy way that Jews talk frankly about the natural passions for sex honor money and the like, but I recognize that many non jews particularly protestants find this shocking. So Middle Eastern in general tend to be far more expressive and emotionally intense than people from Northern Europe. So jews often find people from Northern Europe, fake s and weirdly self controlled.
. Here is Meg Kelly talking with Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2: The betting? Who the win election have swung 10 points to Donald Trump’s favor. Let me either even rundown. 02:28 post the disasters of debate 4 biden. They show Trump up 3 points over Joe biden Ben.
June fifteenth that the attempted assassination. Trump up 48 points over Joe Biden. July 20 second, the day, it became obvious Harris was gonna be sub in. Trump up 26, so he’s starting to fall. August sixteenth, which was last Friday, Harris up 8.6, which had been a huge swing in her favor reflecting reflecting what happened in the media and the, and her not speaking to anybody.
And then in the past 6 Week. I’ve been a huge swing in Trump is now up 2. A 10 point swing in his favor as she has dominated the air waves and all the Democratic all stars tucker, Michelle Bar rock, Oprah, Tim Walls, Nancy, and the numbers are going like this at least on the betting odds.
Speaker 1: , it’s hard to understand the collective wisdom of markets I.
Speaker 0: So Mark Hal says he puts no weight on these betting odds. And he didn’t get into the reasons why he puts no weight on them, but I find that interesting. You may be wondering what’s going on with Kenneth Brown, A aka Deep left Juggle
Speaker 3: for 2000 hours is 5 dollars an hour. Not asking for a lot here. I’ve been complaining about money from behind a pay because it’s generally shameful and embarrassing to complain about money. I thought the pain subscribers are all my friends. They won’t mind a bit of complaining.
They might even enjoy it it. This is the exact opposite of what I should have been doing. I should be complaining to the free people and giving the pain people a respite for my whining. Why do I do this? I’m not doing this for money.
I can work a normal job like any other American and have more than enough to afford.
Speaker 0: Right. He wants to devote himself entirely to writing and to developing a court because He believes he is a genius, and he is highly intelligent. And so I would put the odds at 95 to 5 or 20 to 1. Deep left joker ikea Kenneth Brown would be better off getting a job.
It’d be better for him. And for the world, if he got a job and then wrote in his spare time. But I recognize the odds of perhaps 5 percent, that he does have sufficient genius and innovative thoughts to offer that he is better off just diverting himself full time to riding and scraping by.
Speaker 3: Ford health insurance, the car loan an apartment and 2.5 vacations per year. I didn’t start writing full time on subs because I wanted to make more money. On the contrary, I’ve lost tens of thousands of dollars by being anti employed. I refused to apply for any jobs. I’ve been fully focused dedicated and locked in.
Secondly, I’m not doing this for popularity. If I wanted to be popular, I’d adopt 1 of 2 positions, Edgy leftist, such as Hassan or Va or Edgy rh, such as fu or tate. I could also just be entirely non political and gain much more popularity than either 1 such as mister Beast. I could cover e drama or spend all my time on editing and graphic design.
Speaker 0: So he does flash. Considerable insights at time, considerable self awareness at times. Right, this is the who does have skills to bring to the table. He he does have something to offer but it sounds like to me, he’s not living in reality, the the the show 19 80 style hair metal.
It matters. The way we present ourselves to the to the world Matters, it says something about us, and his desire to become a cult leader. It shows to me that there’s probably a lot more danger, both the can and to people he influences than likely good to come out of his current approach.
Speaker 3: D cater to the lowest common denominator who crave bright colors and the mel tones of Kevin Mc mcleod. I’m trying to network and grow my audience. In trying to network and grow my audience, I’ve hit a brick wall with leftist who think I’m a Eu genesis. And also with writers who think I may degenerate Jewish sub. Part of this is because I enjoy being disagreeable contrary in and rubbing people the wrong way.
I don’t like being part of a crowd. This is ultimately a passion project. I do it because I enjoy it, not because it makes me popular or pays the bills, and I hope someday it all pays off and a millionaire loves my writing so much that he grants me a cottage on his estate, so I can live out the rest of my life as a court philosopher. I’ve run across a few of those people, but oftentimes they are looking for some sort of Roi that I can’t. Give them.
That said, I have decided to accept a job offer. If it is handed to me and wrapped with a red bow, and the carpet is rolled out for me, also read. Basically, if you shove money in my face, I am ready to work. Give This feels like a betrayal of my original project. I promise myself to remain unemployed as a form of motivation.
If I had no source of income then the pressure to succeed and perform would be that much greater. This is somewhat true. Earning 10 dollars a today as a subs writer really has put me under a great deal of artificial and unnecessary stress. Every time I go to the grocery store, I’m reminded that I haven’t made it yet as a writer. In response, I’ve written a lot.
I’ve written hundreds of thousands of words, the exact number will be behind the payroll. My hope is that if I publish hundreds of really long articles. And just keep throwing stuff against the wall. My numbers would improve. I was hoping that as my efforts increase, and I work longer in longer hours.
I would someday have a breakthrough where everyone would be begging me for interviews and throwing money at me. After 8 months of doing this full time, I have to concede that this hasn’t happened. I first started to have serious doubts about the long term viability of all of this, all the way back in January. It’s been 7 months since then. Thoughts on my goal of 10000 dollars.
I’ve not made 1 bit of progress on this since…
Speaker 0: So is Ken Brown connected to to his family? Does he have close friends is a part of a community? You’d think if he had any of those, he he would be much less likely to be engaged in this seemingly self destructive and diluted path that he is on?
Speaker 3: It’s February.
Speaker 0: Right. If he was in orthodox judaism or even a a close net Christian church. He could not behave this way.
His… His clergy, right, his community would would say, hey, Ken, that there’s something really wrong here. This is not aligned with Christ teachings. You need to do an honest day’s work. ?
He he seems to be on his own. He seems out of touch with reality. What do you think? You think he is in close contact with family, friends community, Do you think that he has a pastor or a priest who he respects?
I I can’t imagine if he was closely connected to someone in in the clergy that he would be off to behave and post this way.
Speaker 3: This is partially because people who sign up, keep canceling. So I remain not exactly the same 4 k number I started with. I wonder what my cancel rate.
Speaker 0: So can Ken Brown has done a ton of… Content expressly to to meet the needs of people to to meet their needs for, , Edgy right wing commentary, Edgy left wing commentary to take personal shots at people, So he’s been quite willing to give the audience what it wants, but he’s not willing to devote himself to that. He wants to do what he wants to do, and he’s trying to figure out a path forward. How much does he need to compromise for his audience versus being true to himself.
And at such a young age, I I guess he’s what about 25, 26. Maybe he doesn’t have particular clarity about who he is yet and what he really stands for. Maybe he’s maybe he’s the empty shell, deeply need needy for attention. He has the vibe of the rock star who could elect a large audience, but it’s not really capable of taking care of himself.
Speaker 3: It is. The people have canceled recently said the reason was price. Really? Price? You can’t afford 9 dollars seriously?
No. It must be my annoying ideologies and attitudes that alienate people and drive them away. I need to develop an entirely new personality. From now on, all my articles must be filled with hope, love, and joy. This is the path to prosperity.
Number 2. Do I have any realistic chance of achieving this goal in the next 5 months? Hard deadline.
Speaker 0: So he seems lost, but he has an admirable amount of self awareness and considerable amount of learning and intelligence. That you may very well pull himself out of this, downward spiral. So why has Kamala harris rocket to the top of the poles because she did not have the the widespread support of her party prior to her ascension over the the past 6 weeks. And so I I think this gets at something important.
Why why has kamala suddenly become so successful. That is the situation has changed. When she was just a vice president, and she was particularly in ina vice president. Very reminiscent of the lead character in the comedy vp, which I’ve been re rewatch as just a hilarious show.
. She attracted contempt. Do another vice president who attracted considerable contempt, and that was Lyndon Bain Johnson. ? People in the Kennedy, White House just had considerable contempt for him, and Lyndon Bain Johnson as a result felt highly insecure.
Then, John F kennedy yet shot and killed. And and we see a whole new Lyndon Bain Johnson. He became a completely different character when he took office it. So 1 of my favorite subs is Fake News, fake, N0US by a philosopher Michael Humor, and he has a guest posted from another philosopher Is.
And this philosophy makes a note when circumstances change. So does our behavior. I behave differently in a church than I did on the playing fields. But when I came to America at age 11, I quickly learned that the the number 1 insult you give to another bloke is to call in the f word.
And I I use that for years. But I I would use it less often in church. That was an appropriate phrase to use in church imply company. So when Dennis P walks into a room.
But he has so much Charisma so much presence that he exert this force field around him. When I walk into a room, people either don’t pay any attention or they feel… So relaxed net ease, they very likely to come up and share a dirty joke with me. I remember, once when dennis a spray went to S, I gave him a copy of this illicit movie I’d made. And dennis says, wow, in New York when I get Show they give me a Tal, a prayer when when I get a show in Los Angeles, they give me a porn.
So the most humorous comic is likely to appear subdued if he’s put on trial. Right, a person who scores high in social anxiety, they very won’t come across as relaxed and competent in the company of intimate friends. So Hillary Clinton, for example, has an entirely different style when she’s among friends than when she speaks publicly. When she speaks publicly, she’s highly self conscious, like Kamala Harris is still highly self conscious. At Tim Walls, does not appear highly self conscious.
So he he comes across much more casual and spontaneous. So the circumstances have changed around Kamala Harris. She’s no longer primarily the vice president. She’s now a candidate for president. So the old in annette Harris was vice president.
And and that job is to play second fiddle to do no harm and to make sure you do not draw attention away from the president. But now, Kamala harris is the presidential nominee. And she is encouraged to remain in the spotlight and go full throttle on the political highway. And people like winners. And there’s probably 50 percent chance that you will be the next president of the United States, we likely have an evolutionary biological reason to be favorably disposed to winners men in particular, young men in particular, primarily orient upwards in status and intend to ignore those who are below them in status.
There’s a anecdote when Barack obama, was competing for the Democratic nomination with Hillary Clinton, a Clinton supporter said to me after the first primary guess who won. I didn’t know I answer answered was it Clinton. Barack Obama he replied, and then he went on, and this victory makes him interesting. So I Barack Obama was the same person before he began winning primaries, but something changed when he started to win.
A new light was shining on him. So if you start consistently winning in your life, People will look at you and treat you differently and you’ll have a new type of energy. As opposed to when you have a series of embarrassing failures. , you you’ll feel less strong and more introverted.
? When my life is going well, I become more extroverted and confident and strong when my life is a string of humiliation. I become much more introverted. I want to talk to very few people about my humiliation, and I don’t do nearly as many live streams. So a reason that I do so live streams, is it most of the time, I’m a pretty happy confident guy feel strong?
So when the light of victory shines on you, It it changes you. And people wanna see more of you? And so now that Kamala harris has been rising in the polls, it creates a sort of halo effect around her. And then young people have created their own version of Kamala harris, a version suited, to their needs.
It’s usually notoriously difficult for middle aged and older people to relate to younger people. And most of the things that politicians do to try to relate to young younger people just backfire because they’re so awkward. But for Kamala harris, they’ve simply young people have rebranded her. They didn’t just meet her halfway.
They’ve walked the entire distance, so she’s been declared brat. It means that she has summary vibes. That she’s not prem and proper. She’s a little messy, little volatile that she’s comfortable and muse by her own messi and the kamala is brat meme.
Is something that the Internet was craving. It was a boom to the… Harris campaign and many young people have run with it. So she’s mixed race, which gives her a cool factor in America, She’s not boring.
I I think much of the reason that advertising features people of of color in disproportionate to their share of the population is that they’re just more interesting. That they’re more attention grabbing. Inter intellectual couples are more interesting. They’re they’re much more attention grabbing It’s not just some deep dark jewish conspiracy to sub the the anglo people. And, Kamala Harris has been such a low profile of vice president that she has remained largely unknown until now.
She was a blank canvas, and this enables people to project onto her, , almost whatever qualities they want to see. It’s like when you fall in love for the first time, You’re projecting onto your beloved all sorts of qualities that are probably not there. Robert Carr wrote a prestigious book that came out in 20 12, the passage of Power, the years of Lyndon Johnson.
So after John F kennedy was assassinated, Lyndon Bain Johnson’s behavior dramatically changed. He engaged less in casual conversation. There was less lost motion.
Her boss This is a sec… His secretary. Boss was a change man.
L g was a change man, he was transformed. He looked completely different. The movements of his body were different. Right If you start winning, the movements of your body will be different too.
Or if you start consistently losing, you’ll likely make yourself smaller and tighter. And when you start winning, you become free and lighter and you get more up upward direction, you become a buoyant. ? So when L was constantly feeling humiliation and os, his movements were awkward, almost lung strides and fl movements of his arms.
Because he was under so much tension. Now his stride was shorter, it was measured His arms are staying by his sides, hardly moving at all. There was no fl only his head moved. So 1 of the keys to being an effective presenter is to not bog your head around.
You wanna keep your upward direction and you don’t wanna be bobbing around on your head and your neck. It reduces your credibility, it makes you look silly. So as a loser, L didn’t appear to have much control in his body. But when he started winning when he assumed the presidency, he seemed in complete control of his body, both his own physical body and the body po. Not just his movements change but his voice change.
How you feel, And the amount of tension that you have in your body and the amount of ease that you have in your movements is gonna have a profound effect on your voice. At the more pressure you come under the more strained monitor your voice will become. So his voice used to be filled within imp. It’s be filled with rage with anger,
Now his voice became level. Not so much mono, but it wasn’t so strained and wildly fluctuating. Even his voice came under control, seemed to exhibit an iron discipline. I’ve never seen him as controlled as self disciplined as careful and as moderate.
As he’s been this week, said, Bill Mo, he’s remained calm. He’s careful to sort through his feelings and his reason and his thoughts. He’s been good to work with. He used to t around and blow his top so often, seemed like he had clock siding him with an alarm that told him at least once an hour that his time to go choose somebody out, but he hasn’t lost his temper once since 2PM last Friday. That was when you got the public announcement that JFK had been assassinated.
So all these reporters and political insiders is who had seen Lyndon Beans Johnson at his most insecure, his most fl his most can. Just constantly erupting into tantrum. And now he’s under the immense pressures of the new job, and as that pressure bore down on him, there were no 10 tantrum tensions initially.
There’s none of the cursing, none of the glass throwing. There there’s no crack in his calm. At an aura of command, a sense of purpose. At and the people around was startled by the transformation.
For the first time they’re using adjectives like direct calm, deliberate, composed sense of being collected. ? He was just handling things without pause. He was in studied command. And so why did L change so dramatically because the situation around him changed?
But here’s a new book that I started reading how work media is undermining democracy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. , I was doing a lot of reporting in the south during the Trump years. And what I found there really surprised me, I had been led to believe that I would go down to the south and find this fast. Chin racism. I was…
I had Trump arrangement syndrome. I thought that everybody who voted for him must have been, , a racist And but what I found was very, very surprising, which is that a lot of the nation had moved past the racial binaries, that we left these We New Yorkers, We over educated elites like to believe still exist across the nation, and I wanted to write a book called a more perfect union based on my experiences reporting from the south. And also all of the Polling that backs up the idea that Americans are just not that divided over the great values that this nation was founded on. And I couldn’t sell it. I couldn’t get a single editor to buy it.
They kept saying to me there’s no market for a book about how Americans are not divided. Everybody believes that were so polarized, we’ve never been this polarized since the civil war. And finally, a very kind editor, Sammy down, and she said, look, you keep telling me like, we’re not that polarized. Why do I think we are then? Maybe you should write that book.
And I think that’s really what bad news is. It’s my attempt to understand how Americans came to believe this version of
Speaker 0: That’s incredibly important anecdote. ? There was no demand for a book about how Americans are divided. So much of the rhetoric about cold war and how we are at each other’s throats. Is because a fight is just more compelling and easier to sell than the notion that we have an overwhelming unity.
Speaker 2: Of ourselves that we’re so divided. When the truth is… We’ve never been more united around issues like equality and… Fighting racism and fighting white supremacy and and really, making good on our ugly history in some ways. And that’s really what bad news is.
It’s it’s really an attempt to understand where our false wrong view of America came from, and I think that the answer is it came from the media, fighting
Speaker 4: And 1 of the things I enjoyed so much about the book was your discussion about how the media has changed over the last hundred years, and particularly then over the last 20 years with the rise of the Internet. Can you describe that argument? And then what does it do to the political position of the media?
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, journalism underwent a status revolution over the course of the twentieth century. It used to be a really working class trade. Journalist lived in working class neighborhoods, and they need maybe a little bit more than their neighbor or the factory worker or the alignment, but they really lived very embedded in working class communities. Today, journalists a part of the American elite.
It underwent this status revolution. So it went from being a blue collar trade to being an elite cast, a profession almost. Even though you can’t really teach journalism, it is a trade, you can only learn it by doing it. And and that status revolution from where journalists started working class and then became part of the elites, it really, really changed the nature of the profession because, journalists really abandoned the working class as they ascended to the elites. They now see things from that position of top down instead of from that position of bottom up.
So where they used to see themselves as outside of the hallways of power, demanding justice on behalf of the little guy, today they are insiders, they are part of power. Their kids go to school with billionaires, their kids go to school with politicians. They are in the same communities as corporate lawyers. And so the whole the whole industry really shifted from this, like, little guy point of view to this position of elites, and I argue in the book that a lot of the woke moral panic that we’re in around race.
Is essentially to distract from that status revolution and from the ways in which journalists have really benefited from economic inequality.
Speaker 4: And you talked about race about a lead in privilege which we’ll come back to. And you…
Speaker 0: So… But yeah, Anger Sa is hyper educated Ash nazi Jew. She got her Phd from University of California Berkeley. Her dis visitation was entitled c pleasures, the force and form of the noble 17 19 to 17. 40, she talked about how rape and colonialism figure in the pleasures of modern English fiction.
And she’s a lovely em emphatic person. I remember sometime around 20 17. I posted on Twitter some critical comments that I had I’d received from a friend and these were critical comments about B Sa, who was then the opinion editor of the forward, the Jewish daily out of New York. And she responded by sliding into my diet Dms and talking to me about chronic fatigue syndrome. And I’ve struggled with chronic fatigue since about age 22 until age 55.
And nobody many people showed much empathy with my struggles, but she displayed considerable empathy. She is… She has lovely manners. She’s em emphatic.
She she was absolutely pleasure to interact with. Now, I kept posting critical comments that I receiving from friends. Directed at Bat Saga and she eventually blocked me, I can understand why because when you form even some sort of a connection with somebody. As we did over Dms, we were both quite honest, it it feels like a betrayal when the person keeps criticizing you. So I understand where she blocked me.
But she she… There is just a lovely em emphatic quality about her that I also noticed when I interviewed Molly Jong fast. So these are couple of left a a couple of Marxist. , But is still on the left, still a a Marxist, which makes her critique of the left and the mainstream media more interesting.
Speaker 4: You mentioned how the media. No longer talks and thinks about the working class or mate many aspects of the media. And there’s a wonderful discussion of this, and I’ll I’ll read you a passage and then I like your your comments about it because you make this point, so well. And you’re right. So type the words, Trump and Russia, into the New York Times search bar and you’ll get over 15000 results at the Washington Post this search will bring up 20 27000 entries since 2005.
And then you say compare this to the phrase opioid crisis over the same period, which returns just 1047 results at the times and 2639 results at the Washington Post. And you go on homelessness Get some mere 4818 results and income inequality gets just under 3000. What does that describe to you?
Speaker 2: So soc sci have gone back and sc the archives of the new york Times. To teach us what they are focused on and what they’re not. I just did this little search to show that gap. But but I think the point I was trying to make is they… , Trump and Russia.
I mean, of course, now we know. That so much of that Russia gate story was was wrong. Was, , completely false.
But even at the time, , the idea that somehow, Trump and Russia was more important than homelessness was more important than opioid addiction, which was robbing working class Americans of their lives, like, the deaths of despair, just committing suicide out of spare. I mean, the idea that Trump and whatever had to do with Russia that that was 5 times more important than what was happening , in our inner cities, , that… It it it it… It’s obviously false. It’s obviously wrong.
And what it shows is that this is not being driven by any kind of journalist value or ethic. It’s being driven by something completely different, which is what the appetite of affluent Liberals is for the news. So the media is reflecting what they wanna read about it and what they wanna read about are the things that make them feel very passionate and very emotional, And the things that make them passion and emotional are not unfortunately, the things that they’re imp in, the economic inequality, the opioid addiction, all of this stuff, it’s the things that sort of let them off the hook, like, hating on Trump, , a more panic about race.
Speaker 0: So in 20 21, but, yeah, released a published a book. Bad news how work media is undermining democracy. And this is how she begins the book, talking about a 20 18 segment on Cnn. The host was Don Lennon and the guess were Kirsten Powers. Right, a senior Cnn political analyst earning million dollars a year.
She was a longtime liberal comment on Fox. It was Alice Stewart, another the Cnn comment. And Token Republican and Stephanie Jones Rogers, a professor of history at Uc Berkeley. They published a book. They were her property, white women as slave owners in the American South.
And this where Custom power said about Trump’s female supporters. People will say that they support him for reasons other than his racist language. They’ll say, well, I’m not racist. I just voted for him because I didn’t like Hillary Clinton. And that’s doesn’t make you not racist.
It makes you racist. White white women do it, we have to remember that the white patriarch system benefits white women in many ways. Then professor Jones Rogers concur. As a historian I explore, white women’s economic investments in the institution of Sal slavery.
There’s this broad historical context we need to keep in mind, when we’re looking at white women’s voting patterns today, and they’re overwhelming support of Donald Trump. This is racist. And the so Republican is only briefly, allowed to respond. And then K powers inject over.
It’s just not Republican women who have a problem with racism, but all way, women all white people. Every white person benefits from an inherently racist system is structurally racist. We’re all part of the problem. So this belief that America is an un white supremacist state that confer power and privilege on white people. And systematically denies power and privilege to people of color.
This is the dogma of much of our ruling elite, and there are a whole bunch of interconnected networks of racist institutions in this worldview that fact every level of society culture politics, and 1 American University stated once that it was racist and so Trump, the Trump department of Education began investigating them. So the solution for those holding this view is not just to reform institutions that still struggle with racism but to transform the consciousness of everyday Americans until we prioritize race over everything else. And this world is known as anti racism or by the shorthand of of being woke. So work is a 19 fifties black vernacular, which shows that you’re are aware of institutional racism, and and now it stands for you understand how institutional racism and waste supremacy is holding down people of color.
And it’s kinda be. To me, interacting with this worldview because it has as much validity to me as a belief in unicorns. But 1 part of this world that I understand. And they were 2 years in my life where I kind of flirt with marxism and I like tell people that I was an atheist communist is that it gives you a feeling of being in the elect. Right, it it gives you a feeling that you’re better than everyone else.
And I think we’re all to strongly driven by status. So when I grew up, the son of a preacher man when I grew up a sent adventist, I felt like I was part of the elect. I was part of God’s chosen people, and I felt superior to the rest of the world, it was not part of the elect. And then just outside my religious world as I was growing up in Australia was nationalism. And I was somewhat aware that most Aussie seem to think that if you were not an aussie, then you didn’t matter very much.
I moved to California at age 11, notice that Americans are much more outward patriotic than Australians, but they enjoy less social trust and cohesion. So I I noticed that Nationalism ran strong in both countries and Both countries were far more interested in what happens in their own country than what goes on in outside countries. I move into my teens at age 14. My family gets a Tv for the first time. And my religious world diminishes as my sex drive increases and I become increasingly attracted to the things I see on the Tv screen, beautiful women, sexual situations, and I I wanted to pursue my my dreams of a superior physical and social life.
My religious faith grows cold, as my selfish desires for attention and pleasure increasingly take over so by age 18 when I go back to Australia to live with my Atheist brother, I also embrace atheism. I become exposed to marxism at college, and there was 1 el exposition of it by my political science professor Larry White that and he did it as an observer, not endorsing marxism, but just describing it, how many of its proponents experience it. And it just seems so into. And I kinda played around with it for a couple of years between age 20 and 22. And when I played with it kind step into that world view, it did give me this thrill of being in the vanguard.
So I did not have a particularly strong sense of self. I think due to my un medicated Adhd, a lot of my behavior was out of my control. I could not count on myself. I relied heavily un cues from other people around me, I would exhaust people. I I needed other people to tell me who I was.
So my… I medicated Edd adhd pre me to na and pre me to, , seeking to put up a false front because at core wasn’t particularly thrilled with myself. Then I encountered Dennis P on the radio in the fall of 19 88 when I was at Ucla. And I become convinced that Judaism is the path for the superior life, and Jews of God’s chosen people, and that was my new way of feeling superior. So my life, my behavior doesn’t fully start aligning with my best interests until about 20 16.
So Started of my first 12 step program in 20 12, by 20 16, I was in… 5 different 12 programs, I’d also benefited from about 10 years of psychotherapy. And I think by the time Covid hit in March of 20 20, I sat moving into a good place. And so when I look back on my online work, pretty much respect most of what I’ve done consistently since Covid in 20 20. And so a good tour for analyzing oneself, other people, news comment, livestream is pun air and the world, is just noticing what are the incentives that people are operating under what makes people feel important, what what’s driving them?
Because I agree with Tom wolf that after we meet basic needs for for food for water for shelter, For clothing, our most intense drive is for status. And the Ne and story board notes that Tom wolfe refinement of Max Weber ideas about status is what he calls the status fear. And everyone isn’t directly competing the status with everyone else, they they pursue status within a distinct sphere. So much of my life is within Orthodox Judaism. That’s probably my primary sphere.
And then a lot of my life is live streaming. And this is another status sphere. And so Tom Wolf book, the right stuff is not a book about space. It’s a book about status competition among pilots and astronauts.
So we all turn tend to year for status honor. We’re we’re trying to present curated versions of our lives to friends, to strangers and to compete for dopamine releasing likes. This is what Tom Wolf wrote in an essay, the Ne Mafia. Ne have a higher standing than a nurse made since they have the power to impose discipline manners on the child.
How to disconnect with work, work is just another way to feel superior. If you are in the elite class that graduates from elite university such as Stanford or Cal or Harvard or Yale, , the the work ideology is a way of distinguishing yourself from the great mass of Americans. You need to have superior taste.
Feel like you have superior taste to have some bases for regarding yourself as superior, and we all bentley wanna feel superior. Ne have a lowest standing than a govern in that they undertake no real education. Ne in Europe and the United States have become a symbol of the parents status. So parents who have denny’s look after their children have to have money. Parents who have Ne lead their own lives.
This gives them more status even in front of their children, they didn’t have to appear in the ridiculous role of marty, har creatures forever ill camp and ill humid waiting on the children like servants. And 1 thing that has made nationalism so attractive is that it’s highly competitive and at Best status. There’s a ideology, a story, a narrative that you are part of some great nation, So England, according to, leo Greenfield was the first nation that adapted nationalism. England was competing with France, a great deal, so France took on shortly after England as Did Holland.
So England adopted nationalism by the sixteenth 17 centuries, then France adapted it, and Holland adapted it in the eighteenth century, and then Germany and Russia adopted it in the nineteenth century. Nationalism is highly competitive. But 1 thing that makes the Olympics so visceral exciting is that nations get to compete and you get to feel good when your nation wins metals because you in all likelihood if you’re a nationalist, you identify it with your nation. Now, what happens if your nation does not have a distinguished record. Then according to Leah Greenfield, you are gonna be more predisposed to a blood and soil nationalism.
So you don’t have accomplishments to be proud of so you get to be proud of your blood and your soil. Now, Leah Green work on nationalism. She’s published a lot of books a lot of essays. It has attracted virtually 0 academic interest. So she doesn’t get much respect from other academics, but I find her ideas is interesting.
So another thing that nationalism does is extends dignity throughout the society. You get to have dignity and you get to feel like you’re a part of an important project. So prior to nationalism people primarily identified with their group. They were royals. They were Ari aristocrats, they were merchants or they they were peasants.
And you might have felt much more common with other members of your group in other countries than you did with, say elites in your own. Country.
Speaker 2: A moral panic about gender and transgender issues. These are all distractions from the actual divides in America, the actual moral emergencies in America that Affluent liberals are imp in and could solve and could fix and could help with, , but it would involve.
Speaker 0: Okay. Let’s get Elliot B onto the show. Elliot. I’m sorry for making your weight, Bro?
Speaker 1: No problem, ma’am. Blessings morning.
Speaker 0: Blessings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bad dreams last night.
Speaker 0: I’m sorry. Tell me about them.
Speaker 1: I I don’t remember the actual content they would do sort of the feeling that surrounded them, but
Speaker 0: I had a Had a dream last night. I’m gonna try to recollect it. Oh, this is the dream. I dreamt that some employers who had fired me, came to recognize the… That they made the wrong decision and they re hide me and it’s only when I woke up that I realized, no.
They never did re hire me, But go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I I got it. And I never been able to actually recall the content of a dream for any… For more than 5 minutes.
Speaker 0: But really. Wow. That’s why I already down all yeah. Write around
Speaker 1: have bad dreams, , but I don’t know. Maybe it’s just the change of weather or something, but… I
Speaker 3: I have to I have to
Speaker 1: hide your face because the that voice is sync. Okay. I So anyway, you catch this ladder… . We gotta talk about Joe cole.
Speaker 0: Yeah. What’s going on with without hair, bro?
Speaker 1: I don’t know. So as , , just we’ve been through the audience. I’ve met joe in person. III took him and his rents around drove around for 3 or 4 hours. And so I got to meet him in person, and it’s a really…
It’s a really sad case no because He’s the type of guy you’d like to know.
Speaker 0: Yes. He’s got so much positive about him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He’s intelligent. He’s funny. , he… He just…
He improvise with the environment that , that he he interacts with. , he’s he’s on all of the time, , he likes to be the center of attention. And he he cracks jokes, and he has insights and he has things to say, , he’s he’s good compass, ? And it sort of gay… It sort of reminded me of, , my time, , being younger and having, like, a good group of friends who were sort of, , interested and curious and
Speaker 5: active
Speaker 1: and had desires and inhibition. ? So it it was… He gives off that kind of vibe. As absurd as his cult leader aspirations are They are an aspiration, ?
I would rather have that than people with no aspiration. , people without any aspiration to me, I just… I can’t bear their company. I simply can’t. They’re boring.
Speaker 0: Unless he gets people to do things in a self destructive. Like, unless it’s harmful. If he… If his influence is harmful, then it’d be better, he did nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he’s the type of guy that could start. He could be an entrepreneur. He could start a small business. He could…
I think fit. Well, he has the intelligence. I don’t know if he I think he I don’t think he could grind out the difficult parts. That’s where the separation occurs.
As if you can, like, deal with a board in a dr. Or just if you just think you’re too intelligent to have to endure dr. Yeah. Will not succeed, , flat out. I don’t care how intelligent you are.
And so it’s sort of… , I was sort of pumping him for… I was sort of feeding him ideas, and he’s very… He’s just not somebody that wants to receive advice or suggestions. ?
He… At least when I interacted with him. But just to give an example, so we went up up north of the city, and we hiked around this place, and there’s there’s this outdoor amp theater. I don’t know if you’re aware of this, then Mt Tam. But it’s basically a theater and so you have, like, these stone seats surrounded by a stage area, and he found this and it was, like, , flies on shit.
He was Rick a ran to the center of the stage. And it just starts ex this big. Public address, , this this big… Yeah. Just all nonsense, but funny nonsense.
Yeah. Yeah. And it was super funny. ? And it was just an example of he…
Somebody who really truly wants be extended attention. And anyway. But, , it goes to the larger thing. I put you in the richer spencer category. Of 1 a lot of talent, , but can’t really execute.
Can’t go through, can’t deal with the dr. ? Can’t… It’s just not sexy enough. And this is the dopamine addicted generation.
I think this is the subtle cancer, that’s debilitating a lot of otherwise talented to people.
Speaker 0: Do you do you think he has… He’s closely connected with either family or a church or a concrete real life community? Because I’d had a think.
Speaker 1: He was very… Yeah. I was… , I was poking around for figure out I to… I didn’t know where he’s from.
I think it’s East guy somewhere, but he he didn’t wanna d divorce any details whatsoever about his… Origins for his family. So I didn’t talk about them. I had no… No.
I don’t know anything about it, but, yes, I don’t believe he’s connected to any… I don’t think his family connections that wrong. Obviously, because he would his… He would check his behavior in certainly. He wouldn’t wanna embarrass them.
Speaker 0: Right. A normal family or a a normal religious community. Or just a a normal group of friends. Would would say, you gotta check yourself if you’re out of control?
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Yes. So anyway.
Speaker 0: Wait wait. Wait. Wait. What about the hair? What’s your read on the hair?
Speaker 1: Adam I was just another… It’s just another shot at attention seeking. It’s another thing to talk about.
Speaker 0: Do you think he might be transitioning?
Speaker 1: No. No. I think he’s just trying to do. What he’s done, which has garnered some attention even if it’s for very superficial superficial reasons.
Speaker 0: How much time do you think he puts into his hair every day?
Speaker 1: I think he woke up 1 morning. He’s here’s wet he dried it off in the with a towel and it got all fluffy. He saw himself in the mirror, and he said, this is funny. I’ll go with it. I don’t think he actually thought about it.
I think this is an accident.
Speaker 0: Yeah. About… Hair in this video was not an an accident. This is a studied performance.
He put some time in…
Speaker 1: 80 hair. You don’t know. I don’t know.
Speaker 0: Not better. Reveal something about the man. You don’t just get up, get out of the shower, dry your hair and look like that. The it was…
He took a great deal of care with this hair presentation, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Possibly GAY, , who knows.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It seems it seems a feminine.
Speaker 1: Yes. But he’s not transitioning. I don’t believe he’s gay. I think he’s just joking around.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I agree. It’s just it’s just another thrust for attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Which … If he as young as you think he is, I thought he he’d be a bit a bit older than that, ?
Speaker 0: What’s your rate? I I think, like, 25, 26, 27.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I went… I’ll think a little older. I think he had 28 29 30. But.
Speaker 0: Do you think it’s gonna
Speaker 1: drive his… Several out his his friends, his accolades because I had 3 of his friends in the car as well. They were definitely on the side. They were definitely 21 22 20
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, I I can’t picture anyone with the wife and kids taking his advice.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I really soured on him and when he sort of, went after Steve Sandler without seeming to have read any Steve sailor
Speaker 0: Yes. Yeah. That would that was that was big because prior to that, I could kinda understand what he was saying, and I could give him a pass. But when he just went after to steve Sailing without any substance, then then… A switch shifted and flipped in my mind.
Speaker 1: why? Because it was lazy. It’s like he doesn’t wanna do the hard work of actually reading Steve sailor. He just wants to get the clicks. And at that point, Steve Sailor was…
Controversial something had broke there’s some controversy that interrupted. And so he just kinda wanted to hitch his hitch his what’s it
Speaker 0: Yeah. Hitch his wagon to something that just swag without doing the work. To produce a substantive critique because I’m sure you could make a substantial critique of, of Steve sailor buddy. He was not interested in doing the work to produce that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: And it said something about somebody’s character that they do that. Like, it drove me crazy when I’ve had academics on this show, and they would go off and trash books that they hadn’t even read. I mean, as an academic, that that is very low behavior
Speaker 1: Yeah. Remember that showed crossfire way back on see.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I forgot who it was novak back, and then there’s was, like some other guy. Yeah. The liberal guy. Michael something…
Speaker 0: There was Bill Press for for a while. Yeah. But the that various people. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the liberal guy said they were turned they turned out they were discussing some book and the liberal… Inadvertently confessed to not having read it. ? And novak back cold them out on it that but check out a pretty. Clean kill, as they say.
Speaker 0: Like I
Speaker 1: understand it’s terrible thing. It’s a terrible. , if that’s 1 motto, you gonna live by, that would be it. , do the work. Don’t criticize him.
Yeah haven’t read. Don’t discuss a movie you haven’t seen. And, do the reading, ? And I think, , I think this generator a lot of people you can skate through college without having done the reading. ?
And once you get habit of of getting an a and not doing the work, you you’re… You you’ve laid down really lazy habits that are really difficult to change as you get older. And so I think that’s sort of bubbling beneath the surface well through all of this is the cheating epidemic. That the Internet has enabled. I think it’s now coming to the fore as people who…
You would expect to know things that don’t actually know things. Like, the squad, and, , what’s her name, Ao and rash recite to lead. And they get up there, and they just repeat these pla tubes, and they don’t even understand how the underlying system works. And then you have these , you have Jamie Diamond or whoever, having to explain to them how what they’re saying is absolutely absurd. And it happens more than once, and then they come back, and they seem to be able to fall back on some sort of , the won’t defense or their re their their races.
They call their inter locker racist for just calling mad on the bullshit. So what do you think about that? Cheating the habit of
Speaker 0: cheating Yeah. Yeah I mean, I I think it’s a natural human tendency because I had it. I I cheated considerably in high school, and then I only did it once in college to to the best of my knowledge, but along with the habit of lying. Which is a type of cheating. These were not easy habits for me to break and they still sometimes bite me in the ass.
Speaker 1: Yes. And when you get to a work setting. It’s… Could be…
Quickly becomes clear, who knows what’s going on and who does who is doesn’t know. And and who’s, , who’s skating by? Who’s just trying to pick up a check. And who’s actually here to work. And eventually, the people that are cheating get found out called out and quit or get fired.
And it’s a real terrible place to be And so, , when I first started, I was 1… , I I was… I didn’t know anything, but I was faking it to an excellent degree. And then I just decided, well, it’d just be easier to learn what the hell I’m doing. And become confident.
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Speaker 0: And I don’t know, a 1 to 10. How would you rate your work ethic? I I would describe my own personal predisposition as around a 5 out of 10. Unless I’m passionately interested in something. But, your work, ethic think with regard to work that you’re not passionate about.
So I give myself a 5 out of 10. How about you?
Speaker 1: Is this gonna sound boast, but… I would say 9 plus. I’m…
Speaker 0: Really? How many times have you been fired in your life?
Speaker 1: 1, 2 twice.
Speaker 0: Okay. Then there’s probably something to it because I’ve been fired more than 20 times.
Speaker 1: Well, once was pretty funny, first time I was fired I worked at a parking garage. So I was, like, sat in this booth, and, , took people’s tickets and took make chain.
Speaker 5: It was a cashier at parking garage.
Speaker 1: And I was living in my aunt’s garage, and my aunt’s garage had this old mattress, and I was sleeping on this mattress and this mattress had crabs. So I went to work and I quickly… And I hadn’t slept, and I discovered I had crabs. And so in my frenzy, , I hate bugs, , it was like, it was madden. It drove me the madness.
In the process of being mad, I… Mis the tickets. I fed the tickets into the machine, the wrong way and I jammed the machine. You. It was soon discovered.
I’ve done that. And my boss was like, this 4 foot town… 4 foot tall italian woman from Brooklyn. I’m… I’m I’m this is in California, and she looks at me.
She says. You’re terminated.
Speaker 0: How much how much of your work life has been with the companies that have, say more than 5 employees.
Speaker 1: Most of it. Most…
Speaker 0: Okay. So then you’re dealing with a company that I would expect has a number of rules because the more employees, the more rules. And so for me, the more rules, the more likely I’m to get into trouble. I have often thrived working for 1 person. But I have always failed when working for an organization with more than 10 employees.
Speaker 1: Yes. The bigger the company the more Slack there is. There’s more places to hide. There’s more ways to past buck. There are more politics to navigate and you can…
You can go pretty far just by skill navigating politics. So Yes. The the fewer the employees the more accountable you have to be. I agree.
Speaker 0: Okay. You added out all the topics and I I’ll take back.
Speaker 1: So who is this guy Pavel Do, Telegram? He was…
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. The guy who runs operates came up with telegram arrested in France.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I gotta know about this because this mike benz, , you get those nominations on Twitter. He was part of this Twitter space yesterday that included some of the highlights. Tate ken dot com, Alex Jones. They they were all part of the panel.
And I… This was just the first time I actually ever heard Andrew Kate speak, and he was also recently arrested in Romania. Mh. And But the thesis of this conversation was that the global elite, if you crossed their line, if you cross a certain line, they’re gonna target you and no just you’ll have no justice that the justice system ultimately will bend to the will power and that these people have been targeted un Du, and it’s a serious thing. So how much do about Undertake?
Speaker 0: Moderate amount. I I find him visceral your repel.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That would be my opinion prior of hearing speak but he. He seemed to have more going on than just that image that he projects. I was pretty impressed by how well spoken for
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, if that guy raped the woman, he he could probably engage in thoughtful and witty conversation afterwards.
Speaker 1: Well, this was part. So he and his brother. He has a brother. They both maintain their innocence. And what they were saying was, they wanna destroy you, they’re gonna charge you with a…
They’re gonna gonna accuse you of a 6 prime and not evasion or any sort of bureaucratic client because , once you’ve been accused of a sex crime, you’re your you’re hard with that brush and it’s it’s a much stickier thing. It’s much easier to destroy somebody’s reputation by accusing of a sex grip.
Speaker 0: Yeah. As a seminal blogger. That is absolutely correct.
Speaker 1: I’m have well play. Well played my dude. So… But anyway, this… There…
Answer. So Elon Musk wasn’t part of it, but this is also Elon Musk is sort of in this category. And this guy Pavel, apparently, he was arrested because he failed to adequately police the conversation on telegram. This is what they would say. And yes that do you believe this is true or is this spin?
Speaker 0: Yeah yeah. IIII think that’s true. I I think that telegram often operates against the interests of people who rule us?
Speaker 1: Okay. And And because Pavel is not an evil on musk using an easier target. Because, yeah know, much as more less doing the same thing where he wants to get the same thing. He wants to use this… Or he says he wants to use as little moderation as possible or we promote free his speech.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, I I think there is… III have a great deal of sympathy with the critiques of the arrest that you articulated even if they come from end tate.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it’s sort of interesting deal because there’s… Almost like a a… What’s the word? Like a media and exile or a counter media, a an actual body of media that’s against the dominant me, and they have significant reach and he, and I think,
Speaker 0: ,
Speaker 1: there’s several war brewing. Between these 2 camps.
Speaker 0: Right. 1 person described the 20 16 in American presidential election as a battle between the story and the comment section.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I was… Yeah. I remember when… You remember when all the comment sessions suddenly pulled, Like, yeah political just…
They weren’t overnight. And they… The reasons given were just too many racist comments, , too many nazis in the comment section and they couldn’t police it. So we’re and that is an excellent characterization because it’s the comment section that is where the fund is. As this a…
As the live chat is where the finance on loops. Streams.
Speaker 0: Sometimes, but it it can also quickly dev dissolve into something that has just got more trash in it than that is worth the time. So it requires a certain type of community and even a certain type of standard and editing an and censorship to maintain a high value conversation.
Speaker 1: That’s true. Yeah the cards can take over and ruin everything.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. So I I got a question for you. So about all the people in England who’ve been arrested for social media comments.
Speaker 1: Mh.
Speaker 0: And I had the instinct devotion that I’m sure you did and pretty much everyone in the in the chat. But then, I read an article in in the New York times and pointed out that 1 person was arrested and convicted because he had posted on on social media, somebody should go to that particular mask and blow it up with people inside. And as soon as I read that, I am fine with imprison some guy who who promotes a a specific actor of violence like that. So to the extent that people are getting arrested and imprisoned, poor promoting specific acts of violence, another person was convicted, for saying that people should go to a refugee center and burn it down, they might have even said burn it down with people inside. So when people promote, a specific acts of violence, just like the Muslim woman who addressed the Bakersfield city council and threatened their lives, and then she got arrested for, I am I am fine with arresting people who promote specific acts of violence such as burned down a mask, burned down this building.
I… I’m fine with that. How about you?
Speaker 1: Well, that’s the fire credit movie house. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So…
Speaker 1: So that’s… So what I’m concerned about is I’ve heard of situations where people have been arrested for making comments that oppose the regime. So oppose British government share style. So the question is this like, to what it’s… , I’d like to see some of these comments that people within the rest of Right.
Speaker 0: So let’s just deal with the 2 examples I gave. They they name a specific place, and and they say, burn it down with people inside. So specific V a specific refugee center, and they are endorsing action that would likely kill dozens of people and they are promoting that. I am fine with them being arrested, and I am fine with them being imprisoned for promoting specific violent acts.
How about you?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think so. I think so. But I I I’m… Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You don’t like it. You don’t like in do.
Speaker 1: I I wanna see… Well, the thing is is I’m concerned about too tier policing, where are native britons being prosecuted more heavily and more severely for actions and words that democrats immigrants are not too and it seems as though that may be true. And that’s right. So I not sure Lessons will also be arrested. And I wanna make sure that, , what’s good for the goose is good for the Gander.
Speaker 0: What kind of penalty would you like for someone on on January 6 who assaults a policeman in the course of the the January sixth riot? I am fine with them being imprisoned for for years. If you punch kick beat a policeman. I, I am fine with you going to prison for years. How about you?
Speaker 1: If you’ve done those things
Speaker 0: Yes. If you’ve done those things.
Speaker 1: Yes. And , sure. But is that what’s happened. So I think there’s some doubt as to whether or not that actually happened?
Speaker 0: Oh, that there’s no doubt that that’s that that happened, but… Not everyone. Who in January 6 did that, but many people on January 6 did assault police. Right, there were about 3 dozen policeman with significant injuries. I mean, you can…
The video just overwhelming the police are getting assaulted. So III would be fine if so complete assaulting a police officer got shot.
Speaker 1: You what if you want them to open up on
Speaker 0: them laura? I would be… I would be okay with it. It would not have bothered me. Yeah.
In any circumstance, not just January 6, but left wing riders, right wing riders, pro Israel riders as pro Palestine riders anyone assaulting, a line of police, I would be fine if the police opened up on them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think machine fired is probably over the line.
Speaker 0: I’m sorry. Your voice faded it out.
Speaker 1: I I think machine gun fire is probably over the line. And I wouldn’t…
Speaker 0: What about just small arms?
Speaker 1: No. No. I I think your gas is sufficient. But I’m really not an expert pro. I’d have to look at some peer reviewed studies to fear with.
Speaker 0: Hey. Your voice sounds amazing. What’s going U? You you sound… Healthy and stronger good than I’ve had you in a long time.
Speaker 1: Well, that cold that I had, is finally ab evade. I got this deep deep lung infection that I’ve been treating in various different ways. Healthy and it’s finally starting to received. And like I said, the weather has broken. So the air is drier now.
So the summer is usually this fog, the soft fog that really aggregates my my breathing. And so now that the weather changed I’m feeling good. Feel great. So it is not
Speaker 0: what you’ve used an inhaler today?
Speaker 1: Yeah. You , I didn’t use it to today. Because Didn’t feel like I needed it, but then, now I’m starting to feel like I could use another shot. So I was sad using Inhaler, but , I have my hang ups about pharmaceuticals and things. So I probably un wisely delete, using it far longer than it shouldn’t.
But I now I’m ready.
Speaker 0: How ready?
Speaker 1: I’m I’m big pharma him. My I’m Pfizer all the way. I wanna get a Pfizer t shirt and a Pfizer act and going to , celebrate.
Speaker 0: So Tuesday, 8AM. I’m feeling fine. 08:10AM, I feel awful. Like, something just hit me. Like like, I’m, like, lying on the floor, just not not doing anything.
I feel so bad. I feel awful for an hour and then after an hour, it starts to diminish after 2 hours, I get back and start just doing some light stuff on on the computer? And I’m still not a hundred percent, 5 days later. How long did it take you to get over this cold thing? And
Speaker 1: it started mid May. Wow, 3 months.
Speaker 0: Oh my god. That’s awful.
Speaker 1: It was awful, luke. It was awful, and I’m really… , I’m taking steps. To avoid it and figuring it out, , I really sort of amped up my martial arts work, , trying to strengthen my immune system, eating better. 1 thing I noticed, I might appetite has gone way down, and I’ve been losing weight, and I’m not really hungry.
I’m just wondering, did you find that your appetite has decreased as you got old?
Speaker 0: Usually, I lose a little bit of weight unless there’s a stomach upset component then I can lose 10 pounds in in 3 or 4 days.
Speaker 1: Yeah. . Well, tell me about this… When you say you felt bad, did you feel bad as though you had a flu or some other way…
Speaker 0: I felt like it was covid. Like, I I felt like I got it. I felt awful, But what struck me is that it happened so quickly within 5 minutes. I went from feeling okay. To…
I have to give up all responsibilities for today and probably this week. I feel so bad. Like, normally, a code or a flu like builds often for for days before it reaches full severity. This hit full severity went from 0 to a hundred and 5 minutes.
Speaker 1: I’ve never had anything like that. I always know I’m getting… Sick if it’s my throat if I get the
Speaker 0: you’re same
Speaker 1:
Speaker 0: But that’s why getting…
Speaker 1: Yeah. Once you feel that, there’s no way getting back. Yeah. You might as well
Speaker 0: just Yep
Speaker 1: stock up on Cancel your appointments because you’re gonna be down for.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That… That’s exactly my experience for some reason this 1. There was no nose sore throat.
Speaker 1: , that carrier of denial, like, oh, maybe I’m not getting sick.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Because often I feel crappy for low key crappy for often days before I finally it get sick. And and you just kinda wonder what’s going on, , I hope I’m not getting sick and and then boom.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think what had happened with me, When I felt this lung thing going on, I did a lot of exercises to open up my chest and hopefully, , clear up my chest. I think that had the effect of doing with just meant allowed to spread deeper. I did the wrong thing.
Speaker 0: What sort of exercises?
Speaker 1: , , like, stretching… Is fully long in your body then doing some back bends and things like that twists just to sort of open up your lungs. Anything that would expand your chest open up your lungs. This was my theory, and I I now rep that theory. I think it did the exact thing.
What you wanna do is you wanna curl on until you wanna assume the fetal position, he and keep the infection to the narrow smallest part, super, nowhere earliest at least surface area so that your body can just despite a small infection of a bit big. So how could you get Covid Luke? You’ve been price boosted Yeah. Really do.
Speaker 0: Apparently, the the Covid booster is most effective for a month or 2 after you get it, and then moderately effective effective for another month or 2, but… By the time your 9 months since you got boosted, it’s its effect is quite minimal.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. I think I probably Covid. I think this last episode was probably kind a too controlled. But I didn’t have any of that, loss of taste, which I guess you’re supposed to get Covid.
But I’m so tired of even hearing over word Covid, , I just…
Speaker 0: Yeah. That seems to be a really strong, widely spread American reaction. They don’t wanna hear about Covid. People Don’t wanna talk about Covid. People are just sick of Covid.
Speaker 1: Exactly. It was Covid 19 after rollins. It’s 20 24. We’re talking about 5 years now. I mean, I remember…
I remember first hearing about it around Christmas time. 20 19. And now it’s just this… And every time I see somebody masked up and driving their car alone. It just…
It’s terrible. I just feel this loa thing for them, I feel like I can’t even talk to you because you’re gonna bore the hell out of me. And I I don’t I just I don’t even wanna see you, ?
Speaker 0: Anything new on the the scammers, the the attractive woman
Speaker 1: yeah. So tonight, I’ve been invited to a dinner. And I don’t wanna go. And I’m debating… I’ve already backed off once.
So I could beg off again. This would essentially end the relationship, and I think it’s probably the best course. But part the invitation, she asked if I wanted to… This is the mother. She asked if I wanted to write postcards for a camera.
Speaker 0: Wow.
Speaker 1: And, like, so she has no way to go I am. And, like, I forget. There’s no way. I’m just not. I’m gonna let it.
I just have to… III can’t live a eyebrow bro. I’m gonna… I’m gonna have to sort of to declare my disgust eventually. So I think I’m gonna beg off.
And the other character, Joe, I’ve affected my separation completely. I got all of this. He had been storing some crap at my house, and I my apartment, and I I insisted that he get rid of it, and he got rid of it yesterday. So I’m slowly reestablish my boundaries.
Speaker 0: Good. Good. Yeah. Good.
Speaker 1: Feels good feel good.
Speaker 0: Good you. Now what do you think about this, the dueling value of civility versus telling the truth. As exemplified by say, Jay Biden appearance of sen civility or Kamala Harris appearance of of being drunk or this extreme emotional outburst by Tim Was son gus. And so III understand the the power of civility and the need for civility. On the other hand, an excessive emphasis on civility rob us from telling vital truths such as Joe Biden Kamala seems drunk.
Speaker 1: Yes. Well, I’m sort of of the bitter medicine school. Yeah. I have a strong preference for inconvenient embrace truths. And I think a lot of people aren’t prepared to hear that.
So the liberal… I think a lot of liberals want… Believe they were on their way to some sort of Utopia, and they couldn’t process. They couldn’t… Make sense of the facts as they were appearing on the ground and then Trump came along and started state making some very bold statements that really offended their worldview view and that put them into sort of a shock.
And they’ve been in shock basically for 8 years now.
Speaker 0: Okay. We got sorry. Finish your thought. Elliot. Go ahead.
Speaker 1: I, no. It’s okay. I mean, it’s nothing that…
Speaker 0: Okay. We got, Kung lo joining the show, mister Lowe. How’s it going?
Speaker 6: Hey. Thanks lot me.
Speaker 0: So Steven, some of the people arrested convicted and imprisoned in the United Kingdom for things they posted on social media we’re posting direct threats, encouraging people to blow up or or burn down a mask or a Refugee center with people inside. I have no problem with those people getting imprisoned for these direct incite of violence. How about you?
Speaker 6: Well, this is like the only reason I came on loop because I already you saying this to elliott elliot. But the issue is, right. That you’re picking these ones out as examples of and this, like convinced you that, oh, , the the it’s a storm in a tea up about what’s happening in the Uk, but this isn’t the case at all. In fact, I posted to you myself, examples. The ones which are the egregious examples.
The 1, for instance of the seller field worker who just posted 3 memes and 1 and it was, the memes were, like a pitch of Africans and below it it said, come into a town near you, he’s got a s jail, Luke.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Now we have to… Agree with that. Of course. I do not agree with that Yeah.
Speaker 6: Love, there’s countless examples of that. So I just want to get 1 concrete 1. So This car… Here’s the thing. Yes.
Of course, if somebody’s is making direct threats to harm, of course, they have to be… , I don’t I don’t disagree with them being prosecuted. I don’t disagree with them prosecute the guys who are throwing bricks, please. But this all happened within the context of the Uk justice system where Pe files get suspended sentences, , you can drink drive a hundred miles an hour, almost kill people and get a suspended sentence. So…
It’s the the the drastic nature of which these people who, in any the circumstances will not would not be dealt within this way. That’s the egregious.
Speaker 0: But you would agree with me that if people promote blowing up, a specific building with people inside that there’s nothing egregious about arresting and imprison them.
Speaker 6: There’s nothing egregious about that. Yes. But it it was in the context. Of a of a of a Uk drift system which wasn’t so lenient. This is though…
I’m not trying to excuse threats to anybody. Okay. Please take that on onboard today is that people have raped children have got, like, suspended sentences and, , 10 hours community service and things like this in the Uk. So it just doesn’t make any sense where nobody’s act… Nobody’s actually been harmed.
, the only people who died in this whole thing with 3 little girls who were stabbed death, and 11 other girls , were stabbed. So it’s it’s been made out as if for these far right people are these, , absolute monsters. You you believe that there were like a hundred, like minorities noises had been killed or something, not 1 was harmed.
Speaker 0: And what’s your perspective on Andrew Tate? Do you have a a view?
Speaker 6: I do not have a view on Andrew tate that’s positive. Let’s put it out it. I just think he’s He’s just he’s just for social media. You exploit. His social media exploit and I nice.
He’s the worst math isn’t he. I I don’t… I never followed him. I don’t know much about. I do think that there’s some, if there’s any good actors that you could say taste.
It’s that there’s a generation of young boys who who got a different idea about their masculinity. Now. It’s not necessarily the the positive 1 that you would want to instill in them, but it wasn’t 1 that was, like, self defeating cooking you, , that you’re responsible for all the in the world that you must, , that you’re a terrible, young man for your toxic masculinity, it was more too like, embrace your masculinity, but then tate, , diverted it in in even words where you could say like a, kind of like, rampant talks masculinity, but I don’t know not making anything sense. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Has the me too movement affected? Men hitting on women in the United Kingdom. So in in America, among young men, they are much more careful and reluctant to approach and to to hit on women they they are, , more scared about coming across as predators, and so they they don’t even try. And many women wish that men would make more advances on them.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I do think so… I have this thesis that young guys who aren’t loner and just average guys between the ages of, like, k 16 02:25, maybe almost as much sex as a previous generation But then after that, women have that, like, this, they’d upped this ic factor of men, and There’s all per that’s played into it women now are able to date upwards, dating apps allow them to date upwards.
But some… That… There’s a there’s a large part of the in sell problem. Definitely can’t be accounted to , this fear of, fear of, well, actually, it’s just fear of being caught thought of as being ic actually. It’s it’s not fear of being…
Being called like a rap I don’t think. It’s fear being for of as a weirdo, what you say?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Now when when I moved to California at age 11, I noticed that American women were much more aggressive than Australian women. So In Australia, it felt like the man had to make the first move 19 times out of 20, but in America, it was like, 9 times out of 10. How about in the Uk, which… Is it 90 95 percent of the time The man has to make the first move?
Speaker 6: Oh, yes. I would say those they’re different today than it used to be. So Definitely say things have changed. But Americans are much forward. There’s there’s this strange forward nurse.
I used to think it as a na among Americans. But I don’t think it’s necessarily na. It’s something else. It’s this the loud character, the center of attention, The being un phased by public situations. British people are much more reserved and so naturally women, are much more reserved.
They’re not necessarily. , front and center getting in everybody’s faces.
Speaker 0: Elliott. What’s your read on how the me too movement may have inhibited younger men from approaching women?
Speaker 1: I think it’s been… It’s scared him. It’s it’s it’s scared them. Yeah. They’ve been sm by feminism in a way in which our generation wasn’t it’s the same extent.
They was beginning.
Speaker 6: I just think people use much more to be honest. I just think people use… They don’t really approach people in real life anymore. It’s… It’s like it’s almost like the forgotten how to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The video game culture the way it’s it’s…
Speaker 6: Those people don’t go out.
Speaker 1: It’s taken over. Yeah. It has…
Speaker 6: You can’t learn to approach women if you sit in your basement playing video games, I guess.
Speaker 1: Know. I think they should be parent.
Speaker 0: So you you you think the the rise of the smartphone and the rise of video games has reduced social skills, particularly among many young men.
Speaker 1: Well, it’s it’s… It’s changed both men and women in different ways. So women have now this consumer’s attitude towards relationships, that they can express very easily and draco meaning Draco via their swiping apps And then men on the other hand, have played these video games that allow them to sort of express aggression, but it hasn’t given them skills to deal with real life aggression. And it’s made them… They know this at some level and then they shook from the real world because they’re inherent, they’re they’re they’re not comfortable with real and violence.
Speaker 0: It doesn’t seem
Speaker 6: to me. A 2 year old guy. So I know a 22 year old guy who’s given up on women, Luke already. He he’s got his own way already.
Speaker 0: And and what does he do with his desire to have sexy just has sex with pornography.
Speaker 6: Actually, it’s gonna sound crazy, but actually pays for it.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 6: So… Yeah. Here…
Speaker 0: So If this guy, with this guy and his father say, share a woman, and would this young man be gentleman, allow his father to go first. I mean, that’s a polite thing to do. You you you and your dad, you decided to hire a his court.
I mean, the the polite thing to do is allow your father to go first.
Speaker 6: 1 in the front door 1 in the back door.
Speaker 0: Not at the same time. God forbid. You some gonna?
Speaker 6: God god…
Speaker 0: God forbid.
Speaker 6: Sorry. This is where my mind went, luke.
Speaker 0: I I can’t believe it. IIII mean, is this is this a a practice that you’re aware of among your social set where both the the son and the dad will will share an Es escort?
Speaker 6: I know what do you think Elliot. Pass this 1 over.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, I’m just starting qualified. I mean,
Speaker 6: no.
Speaker 1: I’m so afraid of. Std that the whole notion of prostate is terrible.
Speaker 0: So you’d wanna go first and your dear old dad would have go second. Is that what you’re saying, earlier?
Speaker 1: I I go first, I would I would sacrifice myself. I would , I would then take the appropriate test and I would… Okay, dad. Safe.
Speaker 6: I also… I also wouldn’t use, but , I won’t use working girl. But Cla says to me that you’re safer with the working girl. Because of she’s getting tested all the time. S j.
You don’t know where girls, who was like, , single girl. He’s 24 25 pull up. If she’s single. She’s on the cock Carousel. Then and she’s not getting tested every week.
How, What do you think her body count is actually gonna be? And I was thinking about this. And that’s kind of scary really.
Speaker 0: What’s your ideal body count? For a woman that you were interested in a long term relationship with Steven.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it genuinely, I’m of the of the school where it would be as low as possible. But I was thinking about this. So you have to think at 1 aged as a woman becomes sexually active. And so if if we’re assuming that that is… I mean, it is a usually 16 here in the Uk God forbid.
But the age of content is 16 so wear shooting at 16. Single. When they’re 26, 10 years. Okay. If a woman has just had, like say, 5 sec…
Partners a year. She should probably be extremely reserved because we we know Well, I know what girls are like these days. If you see that inbox, , if there’s a girl with Instagram or Facebook or anything her inbox is absolutely full. Of guys just constantly trying intermediate up. So they would have to be extremely like picky and reserve just have 5 sexual partners a year.
And there’s 5 to… Well, that is 50, but isn’t it bar the… That’s a body 50 within 10 years. Which would be extremely low. And I would ideally like it to be 5.
Speaker 0: Okay. And elliott what what. What’s the body count number that you’d like, the future missus Elliott to have? 0.5.
Speaker 6: 0.5. Wow.
Speaker 0: So she’d only given a hand job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Old of magnitude. Yeah. I’m very attracted, Bro.
In 10.
Speaker 6: You wanna a break her in.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And what what what’s the sense Steven among your peers, either both male and female. What kind of body count do they seek?
Speaker 6: Well, amongst my peers. Yeah. Well, I was having the same discussion And when you think about it, , you you have to think that, , for Mid 20… Probably around 50. It’s like a low really you’d Ideally want somebody in the 10 range.
I mean, what what is better? I’m not watching the audience. They’re probably sq like crazy at this topic. But what is better? Is it better to have a girl who to meet a girl, who’s been in a long term relationship who’s , therefore being pumped like every other day by a boyfriend and therefore, that’s like, probably like 2000 individual acts or to have 50, separate individual apps with 50 individual men.
Speaker 0: I Right. Obviously, better to be with the woman who’s has just been with 1 guy every other day.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Elliot What’s when
Speaker 6: you think about it?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Elliot, what’s your sense of your peers and their attitude towards body count for people who wanna know the academic peer reviewed research, it shows that both, men and women prefer a body count around 4. So someone who said fewer partners than that, they makes them wonder is there something undesirable about my potential partner, and then someone who said more more numbers than than that, it makes you wonder if they’re going to be have to stay faithful. Elliott, your senses among your peers.
Speaker 1: Among my peers. My peers don’t use this terminology. I don’t really to talk about it. So oh I’m watching some stuff on the…
Speaker 0: I’m so watching that Filth.
Speaker 1: I I’m watching like, god. I’m… I I just clicked on Twitter. Oh, god. I I didn’t wanna see on the Internet.
Speaker 0: Not stimulating enough for you.
Speaker 1: No. No. No. No. No.
No.
Speaker 6: Probably a British stabbing. I’m
Speaker 1: guessing. Yeah. So… No. Yeah.
So we didn’t use the terms body count growing up to Cuba.
Speaker 0: No. But we, I mean, that’s just a term. The the idea was certainly there.
Speaker 6: So it’s a good term.
Speaker 1: Yes. Sure. Yeah. When me ago… When we grew up there was…
We were… We would actively sludge. , to be called Slot was not a tournament inhuman. , If
Speaker 6: The woman is only having 5 sexual busy. I meant that is extremely low. You have to think about that.
Speaker 0: Well, that… I come on. Steven, the the average, , body count in in England would probably be less than 10. Most people are not having…
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 0: For straight people.
Speaker 6: For Zuma. For human girls.
Speaker 0: Well, did you live in particularly prom area of England?
Speaker 6: Luke, with these apps. Women are using them as, like, I’ve just to hire 1 night stands. So they swipe right, they… , until they get the chad that they’re after, he comes around the next day or whatever, and then they’re on the next 1. This is quite a phenomenon.
Speaker 0: How at what percentage of women are doing that, I would say the the percentage would be well under 5 percent.
Speaker 6: I’d say moe, really? I’d Post skilled 18 to 20 are doing this.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I think you… I think you’ve got a distorted view of what’s happening, but 1 of us is more right and 1 of us is more wrong.
Speaker 6: I think there’s this window, of, like, I don’t know what what age… I assume it’s… I don’t use Tinder, but I assume it’s 18 that you can get on Tinder. Yeah. And and I think there’s this window of 18 to 20 or 18 to 21 where women are extremely a a proportion of women.
Are extremely prom. Just because they have fl access. Now it’s like a shopping shop. It’s like a supermarket itself. Look, this is the hyper nature.
Of these things, they can simple swipe until they’re happy with what they see, and that man will 100 percent have sex with them that night. So…
Speaker 0: Now what percentage of these women would you say a mentally ill. So in my view, most women who are pursuing such prom security a mentally ill. No no stable woman with a good relationship with a father will consistently act this way?
Speaker 6: So I’m not suggesting that all women are doing it like that just like looking for the sex, but what I’m saying is there are lots of it. Every girl I haven’t met has used a dating out. Usually tender up. Fact always tend. So, I’ve not met anybody through it.
But I’m saying they’ve used it in the past. They have it on their phone. What was the questions Sorry.
Speaker 0: My question was what percentage of these women engaged in this prom security Men ill. Say the overwhelming majority. Such women are mental ill that a woman who has a good relationship with the father will not act this way.
Speaker 6: So well, let’s we… I know. I think most most girls 18 to 20 have I’m yeah. I don’t know. I don’t know the answer to this, Look.
I don’t know. I think we have while different views of What’s going 18 to 20.
Speaker 0: So what’s happened to these anti immigration anti 2 tier policing riots. They seem to be completely q? Is that what… What’s true? Yeah.
Steven.
Speaker 6: They were crushed. They were crushed. They were an, essex 6. Successful what I call Sci that happened with the government put out this fake thing that there were 100 protests going to happen, appears to have originated with hope not 8. And the government effectively managed to get the, left wing opposition forces out onto the street to a victory.
So now we were always having, like, on Saturdays and Sundays, pro Palestinian Marches, in in power centers in leeds man manchester Birmingham, London. They were happening every saturday. These are manifest like joint and racism and like, just weirdly pro Palestinian Marches So now these forces have been galvanized that out on the street, and it was declared wow, in all the media. I I know that you disagree disagreed that the media has any impact. But I think it was a fully successful sale up here.
The media. Everything pierce was the same. We talked about it actually. Every front page was the same, victory of love pate and and this kind of thing. And this combined with the prison sentences and the Draco ko rounding up of police who’s even said anything the Internet has completely q the the writing.
Speaker 0: So I I wanna be clear. I I do not believe that the media has 0 impact is very specific might point. I don’t believe the media changes people’s beliefs. But if the media is overwhelmingly presenting 1 particular view of these riots, then people who consume that media again and disagree with the media presentation, they will, however, be affected by it in the sense that they will be much more careful in how they express their opinion. So people will be changed in their behavior and their public speech.
My my argument is that the media does not change their underlying opinion. But if if certain perspectives are severely frowned upon and given great sanction, then people will become more reluctant to say things that are frowned upon.
Speaker 6: Yeah. There was also, 2 works of public show trials here in the Uk. Section for trials would be televised. I think it only almost started a couple of years ago in the new Uk. So we’ve all seen her around, and K Star made this declaration, which I didn’t know he could do too the crown prosecution service where nobody was given bail.
So anybody who got caught up in these things would be rem… In custody, means that you don’t you, , get out out out waiting trial. So you would spend time in inject until trial. Spent that everybody’s plead guilty as well as if you plead guilty a third of your sentence entrance, no matter what when you see these Draco recurring sensors, like, those young young lad just jailed for 2 years for waving a flag, waving in England flag outside an Islamic center. And shouting some abuse, but nothing made, but then, he would have got a third more, so he’s pleaded guilty.
This had the effect of, , crushing the right course.
Speaker 0: Elliott, Anything you’ve heard that you wanna comment on? No. Nothing from Elliott. Steven, do do you think that people would overall be better off, not consuming mainstream news media?
Speaker 6: I used to think that I used to think that… I think that’s a value in it. Now if you’re a discerning person, otherwise, I think it leads you around by the nose very much. Certainly seeing what happened here. Lots people led around by the nose, but I don’t know, Luke.
I don’t
Speaker 0: know. Okay.
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry. I was muted… Sorry. I was muted.
Speaker 0: Okay. Go ahead, Elliot.
Speaker 1: Well, I didn’t have much to say, but I just wanna to explain the tech could. I think people would be much better by not describe consuming mainstream media. I think they need to pay price and they are paying a price. I think Sharp attack is going to… Has really discounted has lost, the media some esteem, and they’re gonna forever have to defend this, thinking of Joe Scarborough, when he appears on 2 way, , he gets roasted as he should.
There’s now this understanding where is… , are you saying things that are true or you just telling the company line, and it’s been pointed out and made obvious people that they’re just towing me a couple am I. And it’s up to you to you do your own diligence to figure out whether rather they’re true. So I just rely on Twitter now to do the, digging for me.
Speaker 0: That
Speaker 1: has its own thank as well.
Speaker 0: Right. Right. Steven, how much do you trust your own judgment and your own intuition to decide what’s true as opposed to expertise.
Speaker 6: I’ve I do probably overly rely upon my own judgment, in 50 50, Luke. I’ve I’ve come around to the idea of of giving way to expertise. I think you you’ve convinced me the the value of some of this. But I do… It’s…
Maybe it’s 51 percent that I bias my own good judgment, even though I’m not… I know I’m not the smartest guy in the room, Yeah. Will be perfect.
Speaker 1: I’ve got a question. Yeah Now that you’re both on the same call. Luke? Yes. How would you evaluate your experience with adderall in the past months.
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. Let’s talk.
Speaker 0: So I would evaluate my experience that 90 percent of my self defeating behavior seems to disappear under the influence of adderall, and I’m much more high functioning. Emotionally, as far as productivity, as far as social interactions, far as being at peace with myself, it’s like, I I take a pill and I become a a normal to higher functioning individual. It’s been fantastic.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay. Right. Steven has that How does that streak?
Speaker 6: That’s that sounds amazing. Amazing. So I do have some news. I’ve I’ve been to the doctors, and so I got a diagnosis when I was young. I went to the doctors 2 weeks ago.
I I said this on twitter. I wasn’t hiding anything. I also removed my Pin said, , the declared lot match speed edge, , ad here and, so that canary, , the when that came, , I was considering other things. So I went to doctors and I spoke to them and I said, look, I think I’m interested in trying at… We can’t get out of all of it.
So that that been a no chance. But I I’m interested in trying Adhd medication, and they said, I’ve got to go through then the the process again of getting those because I was a child when I was diagnosed, and I didn’t… Have I’ve never done medication. So I’m now I’ve been referred to a psychiatrist, and due to the uk national health date like, 2 years, but I did. I did go and get the referral Luke.
Speaker 0: Wow. And you can’t… You can’t get it online in America, There are providers where you can just get an appointment online, the next day. That’s not available to you in the Uk.
Speaker 6: Whereas is it’s something like a thousand pounds, but then you can… But then you have to pay either for medication forever too. So… Okay. Pro prescription for medication come into hundreds of dollars per month versus, I I for that if it if it was that’s, but that will be versus on the Nhs here.
Once I get prescribed, it would be, roughly 10:10 English pounds, about 15 dollars a month.
Speaker 0: Right. So in in the states, you can get you can get an appointment effectively online for a hundred bucks. And then your your monthly fee for for medication and for having provided to talk to will be another hundred to a hundred and 50 dollars a month.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, this is because you in the in the in America. So in a private route, you actually have it cheaper than we would here because we have a lack of private, at private medicine, therefore, we don’t have a market for private medicine. So therefore, if we, private it’s the some much higher.
Speaker 0: And it’s the same in Australia. Someone close to me. It’s very hard to get diagnosed. Through conventional medicine with adult Adhd, it will typically run you months. So someone close to me, it took her many months and about 5000 dollars.
She had to, Australia has a mixture of public and private. So it took a many months and and several thousand dollars to finally get diagnosed with a adult.
Speaker 6: I believe the waiting list that I’m looking at here is at least 6 months. It could be 2 years that I’m told. So I’ve not even had the lesson yet. So…
Speaker 1: I… Do you feel any physiological negative outcomes. Do fuel.
Speaker 0: So… Yeah. Adderall just wears off fairly dramatically. So unlike Mode. Med smooth, and it’s…
It usually will affect you for about 15 hours, but it’s very understated in its effect, and it… When it… Fades out at the end of 15 hours, you don’t really notice it. With adderall, after 4 or 5 hours, you you notice that you’re no longer getting getting the benefits. So that’s that’s a a clear distinction but I don’t notice any ill effect.
There there is, there is another Adhd medication that I’m on that there’s there’s an increased waiting period between wanting to pee and being able to pee. I, I’m I’m blanking on on the yeah the the name of of that medication. So out… Yeah. Go ahead, Elliot.
Speaker 1: Is that enlarged enlarged prostate or something?
Speaker 0: No. It’s it’s a medical result. So
Speaker 1: yeah. Does that caused by the prostate inflated mean
Speaker 0: No No. The medication doesn’t lies. Your.
Speaker 1: But… So when it wears off, is it feeling like, oh, I’m amount of energy or amount of mental energy or
Speaker 0: Yeah. It it doesn’t feel great. I mean, but really what’s happened is you return to normal. So it it doesn’t doesn’t feel great. So I’ll get the the normal name for this medication.
At Tom Me, it’s it’s I’ll, I’ll find the… I’ll Extra tri terror. Sure. That’s the medication. So adderall affects the productivity end of Adhd and strat terror.
Effects more the emotional component of Adhd where you become extremely sensitive to rejection. But there there are no… I I don’t experience any negative side effects aside from you get the withdrawal of the benefits of the medication after 4 or 5 hours.
Speaker 1: Mh. So did you how many times do you do you just re up at that point? Or you just do you wanna day?
Speaker 0: I currently do 2 a day. So it will depend somewhat on circumstance. So I usually take the first first tablet of adderall when I first get up in the morning, which will be anywhere from 4 to 6AM because I do a lot of work on my computer, those first few hours of the day. And then depending on what’s needed. I’ll take my second dose anywhere between 10AM and 2PM.
So if I’m doing a show at 5PM, I’ll often wait until 2PM to take the adderall so that I’ll be able to get some of the benefits of the adderall into my evening show. That also mean, I’m not gonna go to bed until about, 10PM. If on the other hand, I feel like I need to go to bed earlier or Am in need of being at my best at 10AM, then I’ll take my second dose at 10AM
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 6: In Luke. Yeah. I was gonna ask, Luke. Did you try Strat the at At?
Speaker 0: Yes. I’m also On terror. I’m on adderall. Am I Terror? Wow.
So Strat terror deals more with the emotional component of Adhd and adderall deals more with the focus component of Adhd.
Speaker 6: Do , Luke. What you? Diagnosed with the hyper active component of Adhd or not.
Speaker 0: Yes. I was.
Speaker 6: Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1: So, Luke, I’ve made a comment. I asked you once, like, in chat, like, if you feel like it’s change your sense of humor or if you lost your sense of humor. Does it have sort of personality altering effects?
Speaker 0: I would assume it does. So for example, Tends to make you less creative. Blood more thirsty for knowledge, and it it may… There may be some blunt of creative inspiration, For example, I Have natural tendencies towards bipolar, not bipolar, but I have some tendencies in that direction of of cycling through iran and despair. Fairly frequently, which is a terrible way to go through life, but there there are probably some creative benefits from it.
So there may very well be some losses in creativity and humor from the medication. Maybe I… I’m not sure.
Speaker 1: Like, people I know that are on, where are they called, the anti depress. Mh.
Speaker 0: The with flattened effect.
Speaker 1: The flash affect. Yeah. Yeah. I… And that would scare me.
Just to… Hey, being around those people, I don’t feel like I’m truly in the presence of another person. I feel like I’m sort of this hybrid creature. And they don’t react and respond and they don’t seem to have a sense a humor in the way that I expect, and I find my interactions with people on those drugs. The re uptake inhibitors.
What are they called?
Speaker 0: Solve Ss rise. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. People are under the influence of those things they seem just partly gone. I just… Yeah. Very…
Speaker 0: And right. Okay. I I get that, but they… Around those things for a reason. So what percentage and I’m gonna answer the question first and then invite your answer.
So what percentage of people on Ss i’s would you say a benefiting? I would say somewhere, overall between set, maybe 25 and 50 percent. And so III seriously think that Ss rise may very well do more damage than good per individuals. Every individual has a particular circumstance but I’m I got a lot of skepticism about the overall benefit of Ss i’s, Elliott, your perspective.
Speaker 1: I’m really with you if it’s no lower, I think I think people feel bad because they’re either… Thinking poorly. They’re making bad decisions. The worldview is a little little substandard. I think they feel I think people feel depression.
They feel sadness when they’re not living right. And I think that’s the… Those feelings of sadness should be prompts to re evaluating the choices. I I just and I think interrupting that process may sort of, , gloss over or paper over. Real problems that need to be addressed properly.
So, yeah. I’m with you. I think these are terrible drugs, and I think they’ve… I think they enable a lot of flawed worldview. And I think a a big part of how our societies messed up is because we don’t have people who actually have natural reactions.
I think natural reactions are what it means to be human. They give you they give you a sense of humor. I think a sense of humor is a strong indicator of mental health. And if you lack. So many people lack a sense of humor, They can’t take a joke.
They’re easily offended. It really speaks to bad health, bad emotional. So, yes. I agree with you.
Speaker 0: So there is a huge difference in outcomes between Adhd medication and… Depression medication. So Adhd medication seems to work for 90 95 percent of people and immediately. Depression medication seems to work for about 25 percent of people. So Adhd is the single most studied area of psychiatry and the single most successful area of psychiatry.
There is a grand canyon of difference between the success that doctors and psychiatrists have had with medication for Adhd and the success that they’ve had for medication for anxiety and depression. There’s very little in common in the success rates between Adhd and depression medication. Steven, anything you wanna do add?
Speaker 6: It’s interesting when I I had to fill out the form again for A adhd, which is effectively a self reporting questionnaire, and it asked you, over here. There’s, like, 20 questions, and it’s from less often to very often how how these symptoms appear. And I am very often on almost every single 1 except. The only 1 that I’m I… I really, don’t think I do is, the hyper active 1, but thinking about it.
I think you should… It’s when what I was told is you should answer very often anyway because, like, when you when you get focused on something, you you can, like, get stuck on it. So that is like an proactive thing. I don’t page.
Speaker 0: Yeah. The normal thing when diagnosing people with Adhd is that clinicians usually don’t trust the individual who’s seeking the diagnosis. They often put more weight on what people close them say because we often don’t see ourselves accurately.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, that’s all recorded. 1 of the things here you can’t get medication unless you were diagnosed as a child. Or or as an adult, if you go… So you don’t have to be diagnosed, but you can…
If use… You have to have have noticed symptoms before the age of 12. Yeah. When you when you go and and say, so it has to have been present as a child and as an adult. Now the thing here is Luke, we…
I cannot get access to Andrew no matter what. So it’s going to be rita in if if I go on medication, which I think the… The only difference is that rita in is you have to swallow it. It can’t be abused. You can’t sn it, for instance, I that’s still only difference.
Speaker 0: Yeah. There’s not… As I understand, not a lot of difference, but, Elliot getting back to your point that natural is almost always better. I’m okay with that for, say, up to 90 percent of the population, but I I do definitely think there is part of the population that is better off without natural reactions, meaning the bipolar, the… Those with Adhd.
So I would… My my guess, Elliott would be 10 percent of the population is better off medicated and not having natural reactions. Would you say 1 percent, 0.1 percent, what’s your estimate elliott of the percentage of the population that is better off without natural or medicated reactions?
Speaker 1: It’s better off without. Yeah. Hundred percent. Wow. I think…
Speaker 0: So you can think place for psychiatric meds.
Speaker 1: No place whatsoever. Yes. I think in a real society in a real… Understanding, the… They’re…
Okay. The problem is we’re trying to shoe horn. We’ve had hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, and we’re trying to where… We didn’t work 9 to 5. We didn’t go to factories.
? We had a lifestyle and rhythm when… In in a properly funded like, your bio would sort of adapt to… Your circumstances in the natural world with semi natural world. So we didn’t, , Trump…
We didn’t go off to an office sit in a cube in an air list cube, doing work we didn’t wanna do or that was very abstract and unconnected into our, survival. We live a very unnatural lifestyle. So it’s very natural In fact that people react negatively to being shoe born into a lifestyle that’s just cuts across their nature, So, , I know I use nature a lot, but it’s it’s an operating system. It’s time tested. It’s what works.
So I found… When I’m work… When I was sort of, , some of my laser times when I was only working next 4 hours a day. And I had time to just kinda chill out, do some exercise and sort of my work life balance was in check. It was natural in balanced.
I just felt great, ? And I didn’t have any of these strange disorders and side effects that people have. So I’ve always tried to, like, replicate that period in my life to the extent possible. And so we’ve lost touch with So, yeah. So a hundred percent, I think can be cured simply by change…
Speaker 0: What what about men who are into raping children? Would you like them to be chemically cast? Or would you oppose that?
Speaker 1: Chemically cast? Yes. Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. What about you’re walking down the street and you got raving homeless people who feel driven to murder or to rape or to stab you? Would you like them to be medically downgraded, downgraded?
Speaker 1: I think they need to be incarcerated in a low security context, and they need to be , separated and counsel to the extent possible.
Speaker 0: Okay. So let’s say you’re working with them in 1 of those facilities. Would you prefer them to be medically downgraded, downgraded or you think it’s healthier to do battle with people who are intent on causing your physical harm?
Speaker 1: Well, if they’re intent on causing they’re violent criminals and they need to be incarcerated at a higher level. So I’m talking about your…
Speaker 0: They have they’re still interacting with people. The they If if they’re not medicated, they’re gonna mud a lot more people. So for me, it’s…
Speaker 1: Well, depends you in. Yeah. So you’re trying to prevent violence. You’re trying to…
Speaker 0: I’m trying to reduce murder. I’m generally anti murder. That’s where I’m coming from. And the use of medication is quite useful in reducing motor rates among people who like to murder people.
Speaker 6: I’ve got scenario.
Speaker 0: Okay. Go ahead. Steve.
Speaker 6: What what about the mother of your children, your wife of 15 15 years whose suddenly, like getting him the, , tension and hysterical. And would you rather herb be medicated?
Speaker 0: I would rather herb be medicated? Yeah. Yes. Elliott, did you wanna respond
Speaker 1: I’m not saying I have… Okay. I’m not claiming to able to solve all problem? A hundred percent of old problem.
So we… Widen the scope of the conversation to. Basically, Adhd depression and then we have this new category that you were bringing up, which is Psychotic.
Speaker 0: People are psychotic. Dangerously psychotic. Dangerous to other people, not just themselves. Yeah. I would like dangerously psychotic people medicated.
Speaker 1: Well, perhaps, I I don’t… Again, you you you feel somebody with chemicals, You don’t address the underlying emotional imbalance, which may or may not be addressable. ? Yeah. So you want to sort of chemically neutralize them.
Yes. It seems a little sadistic to me. It’s not how I like to think.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You’d rather they felt free to mud of people.
Speaker 1: No. So I said. So it’s incarceration or some sort of separation from collect society.
Speaker 0: But they they still have to interact with people. So there’s still a danger. That they’re gonna kill a lot more guards. They’re gonna kill a lot more inmates if they’re not effectively chemically toned down. To me, it’s obvious, but, Steven, did you wanna weigh in?
Speaker 6: So listen to this. I think what Luke is trying to get at is Elliott definitely has some biases towards? Is it the natural fallacy? Is that what?
Speaker 0: Yeah If it’s natural. That’s good and… Elliott a point of view.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. I think that’s what you’re getting. And I think there’s some there there definitely. And I I would be somewhere in the middle, somewhere in the middle.
Yeah. I… But, like I said, come around to the idea that medication could work. So I’m not necessarily opposed to it now.
Speaker 1: Well, they these anti codecs. Sorry. All they do is they just kind of I mobilize.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I would rather that would be murderers were I mobilized prior to committing murder. Because I’m anti motor.
Speaker 1: Okay. But when these people… When these drugs were off, ,
Speaker 0: I would want them to be medicated again.
Speaker 1: Okay. , isn’t it the case that, , people freak out, and do these horrible mass killings, , is this a case where we thought the medication was working and suddenly we find out no. Communication wasn’t working And, , they are back to their old selves again and then they let rips some… Awful atrocity. So I listen, I…
Yeah. On them… Okay. A, I don’t think about this a lot. B, we’re…
I think we’re arguing about a very small edge case here rather than the larger center of the bell curve, which is what’s the
Speaker 6: best most
Speaker 1: people. And I’m arguing that the national approach is ultimately the best for.
Speaker 0: Yeah. We we got that. You think the the natural approach is overall the best approach. I think I I’ve made strong arguments that some people some of the time need to be medicated. Even normal people under high stress.
Regular people under high stress can make really terrible decisions, and they would be better off with with the value. Or or it’s equivalent, not on a regular basis. , Benz enzo are highly addictive. But sometimes even normal people, they’ve got crippling headache.
They’re under extreme stress, which is driving them to engage in self destructive and anti social ways, even regular people at times would be better off medicated. Steven, did you wanna add anything on this?
Speaker 6: I was just looking up the statistic and I think the age ages at which women end up upon antidepressants. More of them end up on antidepressants in a later life. So, around particularly around the age of 40, like hysteria and women is something that is well known. I think 20 percent of women are an antidepressants around the age of 40, So and I have known a couple of cases. I I remember friends who who had mothers who they got to a certain age, and they just went crazy.
They’re, like, , anxiety attacks and things like that and they need to take it out on the husband, like Crazy. Remember 1, who was who like, suddenly got better, and I think that was through medication.
Speaker 0: So So what very close to me. So went very close to me was insane half the month. Would would bounce me off the walls. Was was physically violent was just insane and got medicated and became a perfectly normal person.
Speaker 6: And and there’s definitely something there there because we we can see that it’s roughly double the the amount of women who are on anti antidepressants versus men, and we know therefore, that it’s definitely due to some… So , women go through roller coasters of emotions due to like, , the egg cycle once a month.
Speaker 1: So Luke, just in defense my point a little bit here. Just because I say, I prefer natural solution doesn’t mean I think you should do nothing. That’s different. Doing the…
Sometimes the things that need to be done are people need to be separate from society, need to be exposed to nature. They need some counseling. They need the presence of wise counsel, they need a they need to be taught how to regulate their emotions. And so, yes, it’s it’s in the… , in the near term, it may be an effective solution if your narrow goal is to prevent violence.
But if your long term goal is to restore somebody to proper help, , we should be open I’m open other approaches.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, it’s hugely impractical. You’re not gonna be have to take, , psychotic people who have been stabbing people and bring them into nature and give them wise counsel and I think the things that you’re saying much of the time is simply impractical. They’re they’re way too expensive, and the the resources that it would take to do the things that you you said.
Speaker 1: Let’s take my example. Let’s take my example. Let me wandering around the ent of San Francisco or every block is covered with luna, drugged out of their minds staring into the sky, ba, stinking they’re all drug to the hills be that be it prescription or non prescription. So yes, they’re docile. They’re not committing any violence, but this…
They know in no way approximate. A healthy human beings. So if we’re really talking about a solution, I think is, like, how do we create a critical mass of healthy human beings. And to me
Speaker 6: by way. I just realized you must be open to chemical changing the area because you were open in fact, you took mushrooms.
Speaker 1: True thinks
Speaker 0: of those is natural.
Speaker 1: Well, they are in infected till. They are plants.
Speaker 6: And well, everything is when you get down to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. All the way all the… Pharmaceutical trucks. What they do is they take the active ingredient from plants.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they… Yeah. It’s all to human problems. So the thing is it’s like, in their natural state or they’re… If once something becomes highly refined and overly concentrated, and taking away from its natural context.
You get side effects. And these side effects are not predictable, and they often, , lead to outcomes that require either additional drugs to counteract those side effects, that, , mushrooms are for lag… They are a whole food as it were, I’m not a mushroom habitat advocate, though I found my experience and mushrooms to be incredible.
Speaker 0: And and there are side effects to natural mushrooms as well. There are side effects to everything. There are side effects to coming on this show, but let’s get kip into the conversation kip. There anything that you’ve heard that you wanna come in on?
Speaker 5: Yes. First of all, I’m honored. I feel like I’m among, like, the grapes like bath or mold bug or Thomas 77777.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I was just gonna say, we know a lot of this go to the fact there’s no political wheel to throw the bombs in back in Bellevue the way they used to. And also, I just had a vision of what art would look like. If the great artists who were always sad and cut their ear off and stuff like that, if they were on Ss i’s, they would just be serving us up blobs for the past century or or 2. So thank God, F i’s or a new thing, And I was gonna say, I think those things are probably 10 to 20 times over prescribed because we know there’s there’s there’s a handful of people that need those things because we don’t want them committing.
The crimes that we know they would commit otherwise. But, a lot of this might go back to around the turn of the century when I noticed Walgreens and Cvs bought the most prime real estate all over the city that I lived in, and they had just they had just approved. The Fda had just approved direct to consumer marketing, and we started seeing the beginning of all those ask your doctor if such and such is right for you. So that’s that’s some comments I had also wanted to say that I tried to quit wheat weed back in 20 14. And, , to try to get the good stuff.
You kinda gotta talk it up. You gotta say that you gotta you got a problem, ? And the guy gave me Ss r and volume, and the volume was awesome because that was the thing that we did for me was a great sleep aid, and the volume was a nice alternative to that, But the Ss i’s, I fell off my house spoke twice within about 3 weeks, and I didn’t even reach the point where they say, give it a certain amount of time to get that stuff in your system , before you can… Make any kind of decision on it.
I threw that shit in the garbage inside of 2 or 3 weeks. So, I think those things are probably very much over prescribed and they did have a flattening. Just a dull to life. Kind of the way you see when Prozac first came out. , some of your friends have might’ve have been on Prozac and all of a sudden there was a flattening in their personality.
Those Ss i’s are probably 5 times that worse. But I’m caught up again, glad to be here.
Speaker 0: And, Elliott, would would you say that you’re more wise about Ss rise than 99.99 percent of psychiatrists?
Speaker 1: I think so. I have no incentive to prescribe Arise, psychiatrists.
Speaker 0: So on what basis are you? Wiser is than people who have studied these issues for years?
Speaker 1: Because, I am a just passionate observer. I’m not. I have no financial interest in prescribing or not prescribing as.
Speaker 0: And what’s the empirical evidence that your wiser than people who studied these topics are years?
Speaker 1: Because people like me, Luke?
Speaker 0: I’ll so that there’s no empirical evidence.
Speaker 1: There’s no peer reviewed evidence. There’s sort of anecdotal evidence from my interaction with people who find my presence call me soothing.
Speaker 5: You’ve seen the way his smile lots of a room.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Look,
Speaker 1: luke, you have to admit. You have to admit there’s a financial incentive. I know a guy who is a pharmaceutical salesman.
Speaker 0: He’s a female.
Speaker 1: He has no medical information. He has no medical training whatsoever. And his job was to take pharmaceuticals, 2 doctors and encourage them to buy this medication. And , prescribe it so they’d buy it.
And the doctor didn’t know anything about it. So this salesman had to give him the medical information.
Speaker 0: Yep. In that. Yep.
Speaker 1: That’s per reverse incentive.
Speaker 0: Right. But you you have incentives too. You you’re operating under the incentive, This is your world view, This is your hero system. And if you realize that it was wrong, it would be devastating to sense himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. IIII… I’m not a peer reviewed guy. I just interact with the world of facing.
So I had this, , semi girlfriend he was on Ss i’s, and she decide she went to get off of them, and this was not my prompting. And she she started taking half a pill and go and then she went off 1 day, and then she’s she she got really sad because she realized that she couldn’t feel happy with that Necessary. She really wanted to be awesome. And, that’s 1 sort part 2. I other friend he decided that he was on Pack, which is an Ss.
And he hated the way it made him feel. He tried to kick. He was up for 3 days when he was trying to kick, he couldn’t sleep and he eventually had to get back far. And to me that just seems like such a radical intervention. And it sort of commits somebody to a life of being semi poison, and I think it’s terrifying.
Speaker 0: And what I’ve give give more? No. No. I just… I did ask you for peer review.
Ask you. What’s the empirical evidence that… That you have more wisdom on these topics.
Speaker 1: Because I’ve made a point of managing my mental and physical health directly. I’ve been… The only time I went to the hospital was once when I broke my arm, and I was there for like, 2 hours. I’ve been basically, apart from lung infections here and there. I’ve been…
This is a it’ll healthy as a horse. I’ve been generally emotionally balanced.
Speaker 0: Right. So if you had children, would you want them to have all the the joy and accomplishment you have had, or would you wish for them to have something better.
Speaker 1: And that would be a certain team because I’m that good.
Speaker 0: So you’d be fine if your children went on to have the type of life that you’ve had?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure. Out of general.
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Yep.
Speaker 5: Can I add an elliott defense? I I live. I lived at a yacht club for almost a decade, and, doctors have both payments. So that needs to go into the equation here. Am I right elliott?
Speaker 1: Yeah. That’s the point I’m making. So that they’re over prescribed by radical degree. Not saying should be outlawed, but we have to take an effect, take into account the role that financial incentives play, and human health is a secondary consideration events.
Speaker 0: So I I would not want my children to have the life that I’ve had. I would want them to have a considerably better life, more socially well adjusted life than I’ve had. How about used, Stephen? Would you wish for for your children to have the life that you’ve led? Or would you wish for something more?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I definitely… I think it’s
Speaker 6: an natural instinct to want more for your children you to , as Super proceed to do better than you. And, yeah, if my kid was Adhd, I probably getting medicated at a young age. Because personally for me because now I’ve dropped out of competitive sports. I’m really concerned that I I have nothing to keep me on the straight and narrow. So I just think I need to get fucking medicated and put, Bro put in put in the zone.
What’s what Gone there.
Speaker 1: Bro. You’re gonna take some tennis slip and start playing tennis in regular cases. You’d get healthy. You you have
Speaker 6: a healthy.
Speaker 1: You’d have a nice social group. You might you you might… You’d have Ir socialization with people that, hopefully that you grow to like, and you might meet a, Sheila in the process. So sometimes these little adjustments is all yeah. I think I think most people are suffering from inadequate Ir socialization.
That’s what I think. Is going go.
Speaker 0: Well, how about You What Don’t? How about you, Elliot?
Speaker 1: What about it?
Speaker 0: You you’re suffering from inadequate in real life socialization?
Speaker 1: I have plenty, but the that I have… What I need every time I dip my toe into the into the waters of Ir socialization, I get… Thrust into, dealing with people who are just are not healthy or fundamentally m adapted.
Speaker 0: And what does that say about you? What does that say about you that the… When you start trying to be social, The only people who wanna be social with you? Are, screwed out people.
Speaker 1: People… Because because I ex exhibit this radiant positive generous energy, and people are drawn to it like flies on shit. So it just… It’s a it’s a testimony to my inherent health and and mental emotional stability that I am attracted that fruits are attracted to me.
Speaker 0: Fruit. Steven. What does it say that only anti social people wanna hang out with Elliott in real life.
Speaker 6: I I tell you what it what it’s saying? It probably means he’s actually really easy going. He’s probably… It’s easier to to take off him, actually. Probably, easy target I’m guessing.
What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: I think that’s the accurate. I think I’ve got subject all over my face.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. Mug written on your forehead.
Speaker 1: I’ve gotten mug twice. My away.
Speaker 6: Mugs are nice people though except this is the problem mugs are genuinely nice people. I’d love to. I’d love to. Like, have a full friendship group of suckers and mug. So, , that’s a credit to you elliot, but…
Speaker 1: What what’s a mug? What’s your bag?
Speaker 0: A mug is someone commits Mug.
Speaker 6: No. A mug.
Speaker 5: Mug is your
Speaker 6: talking ease easily taken for a ride. Osaka, 1 ball every day. What time
Speaker 3: of man.
Speaker 5: Elliott likes Tennis, and and I like tennis too and I’m glad he didn’t mention pickle balls, so I’m a fan of elliott today for sure.
Speaker 1: So, yeah. But Steven Tennis is also competitive, like, fighting. So it’s like fighting without any of the physical risk of being hurt. And I I think you’d really take to it, and you’d find it to be a great workout and really satisfied.
Speaker 0: So… What about for you, Elliot. What role has tennis played in your life?
Speaker 1: Was my primary form of socialization up until I got too old. Yeah. Got it took me 3 days to recover from I had to, like, stop because I kinda elbow.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And when was that?
Speaker 1: I just like, I don’t know, 5 years ago. I started… I would play tennis 4, 5 times a week. That was a lot of tennis.
Then I had to cut it down to, like, 2 or 3 than once because, like, a serious tennis match would just… I would be some sore the next day in the neck… In the falling dad just had to stop. But there were… There was competitive tennis.
There were social tennis, it was it was just a great time in life to have that in my life. And I I can’t imagine anybody would not want that because it was, like, just universally positive, and there was almost no drawbacks.
Speaker 0: And who did you play with? Problem?
Speaker 1: Well, there was… You need to there? IAI had a group of like, competitive opponents, and then there was Friday night tennis, which I get every Friday, which was, like, kind of mixed doubles playing, , drinks and orders and things like that. Was it it was chill, , it it’s more social than tennis. But there’s still tennis.
And the quality of people that you meet play tennis are generally people you like to be either there they’re generally winners. They have jobs. They probably have… Usually have education and intelligent. They’re just a good quality group of people.
And so you have to, , people with sports cars and people that like to they have boats and things. And which just… There’s a nice classy experience.
Speaker 0: Steven? So
Speaker 6: tennis, you have to have a partner to do it with. So this is the problem of just going and getting started out.