01:00 Michael Doran: How the Biden/Harris Policies Are Endangering Israel, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orIFvkIGhw4
03:00 Doug Emhoff affair, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=156781
19:30 Kamala Harris’ Attack Strategy on ‘Weird’ JD Vance and Trump, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaxqEgyKhS0
25:30 NBC: Second Gentleman Doug Emhoff highlights how men can help in the fight for abortion rights
39:00 CNN: Second gentleman Doug Emhoff on his Jewish heritage and fighting antisemitism
48:00 Covid and voting rule changes, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b2rxBQDxIs
58:30 If Books Could Kill: Hillbilly Elegy, https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-news-re-release-hillbilly-elegy/id1651876897?i=1000662457355
1:01:00 Israel waits for Iran’s attack
1:12:50 Kip joins to talk about dating Tens
1:32:00 Stephen J James joins to talk about the UK’s right-wing riots
1:54:00 Donna Jones expresses understanding of UK rioters, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-police-crime-commissioner-statement-riots-b2590879.html
2:24:00 Times: ‘There will be a knock on the door’ policing minister warns rioters after Southport stabbings
2:37:00 Times: Riot chaos across the country shows ‘dissatisfaction’ with the government
2:58:00 TalkTV: “People Like Starmer Brought The Riots To The UK” | Is Britain A Tinderbox?
3:06:45 Glib Medley joins
3:09:00 Daniel Penny will stand trial this fall in Jordan Neely’s subway chokehold death, judge rules, https://abc7ny.com/daniel-penny-jordan-neely-motion-denied-subway-chokehold-death/14548441/
3:44:00 TalkTV: “Riots By Local Muslim Population”
3:48:00 Islamic Terror, Revolutionary War and the Development of International Humanitarian Law, https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=155888
Speaker 0: Good, 40 here. So standing by waiting for Iran to attack Israel. I have an impulse just was to be look at at Twitter at every every minute to try to find out what’s going on in the middle east. So latest word is that Iran will probably attack tomorrow. I just heard a perspective that I hadn’t thought of or considered before that explains why the Biden administration is particularly reluctant to allow Israel to fight back against Hezbollah and Iran.
So Iran funded and prepared Hamas for its October 7 massacre of Israelis, It has funded and prepared Hezbollah to launch thousands of missiles into Northern Israel, which is forced about 80000 Israelis to move away from the north of the country. So Iran is effectively shrunk. The effective living space. Of Israel. And so now that Israel has assassinated 2 key leaders in the Hezbollah and Ham hamas ranks that are quarter by Iran.
What the heck happens next? How should we understand Joe Biden Kamala Harris foreign policy, Here’s a perspective from Michael Dora duran used to serve in the George W Bush administration.
Speaker 1: We would find out that you remember back in 20 20. When Barack Obama, called up Pete Butt edge and Amy K and said, please get out of the, the democratic primaries because the the non Bernie Sanders vote is being divided among all of you, and I’ve decided I’ve anointed Joe Biden as the democrat… The non Sanders a leader of the party, and so we we will consolidate all the vote behind Biden. So they all du got out of the race, and and then and then not and then biden became nominee. So then later on, Bernie Sanders came in behind, came in behind Biden.
And III think I can’t prove this. But I think part of the deal with the progressive. When they when they came to this consolidated the party in this way, was that the the Biden administration would agree to no new carbon energy projects. And 1 of the things that they did did, this actually leaked out, they sent the a cable to all posts all around the globe that we will not… And by the way, I’m excited is the…
Is… It happens to be the boy on on on on all of this. We will not support any carbon energy initiatives anywhere in the world, not in not on American store shores, and not and and and and and not and not globally. So if there’s no new carbon energy proposals that the Us is directly backing, then… It it needs Venezuelan oil.
It needs the Iranian oil. And so on to keep the prices to keep the prices down. So their their energy policy is found up in their Iran policy. It their… Iran Nukes policy.
I mean, this impeachment policy is rebound up in that. And, of course, the the the department of Defense is busy with a war in Ukraine, worried about a war in Taiwan. The last thing it wants is a major build up, a Us buildup in in in the Middle East. And so they think the easiest way to get to a quiet life in the middle East, is to shut down israel’s war in Gaza rather than to escalate against Iran.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It it’s interesting how the green new deal approach is also, working to Iran’s advantage. Let me just drill down for a moment on the nuclear issue. I know I remember because I wrote about it at the time a week before October seventh. On a Friday afternoon, news dump, the Department of Defense said that Iran was only only, , less than 2 weeks away from having enough material to assemble bomb.
Recently, secretary say Lincoln more or less repeated that. Is it now basically, American policy that Iran is a nuclear threshold, power, if nothing, , it’s not at… If nothing else at the very least, and that that is something that, , the United States, tolerate or or even passively approves of.
Speaker 1: I think basically, basically, yes. That’s the… I don’t know that that would be the policy of the, of the Trump administration, but rolling any of this back is gonna be very difficult. I and, but but clearly, the it was always obvious to me Again, This is not something I could prove. But it it was always obvious to me that when you listen to him and his senior officials talk.
I’m talking about President Obama. That president Obama asking himself a question, And and the question was Is it worse for Iran to go nuclear to become a nuclear power? Or is it worse for the United States to go to war to carry out serious military action against Iran to prevent it from becoming a nuclear power. And he decided that the worst thing was for there to be American military action. And that basically green lighted the where…
, it it set us on the path to where we are where where we are now,
Speaker 0: Okay. So 1 of the most talked about stories on Twitter right now is that Doug M half has admitted an affair with his nanny. He got pregnant, and she did not carry through with the baby. I’m not sure if that means she put her up for adoption. It’s not all clear.
When Kamala Harris was being vetted to be vice president, the United States, the Harris campaign disclosed this to Joe Biden campaign that Doug M hof had had an affair. It’s curious then that the Harris campaign has put doug M half out there. So publicly making the case for abortion? Why where would you put put a guy like this in who’s damaged goods out there to make the case for Jewish values and for abortion. So if doug ga hof had simply lived his life as a private citizen rather than as a political activist his affair would receive far less scrutiny.
But Kamala Harris knowing all about her husband’s affair with his first wife, Right, she has chosen to put abortion at the center of her political campaign that she’s raising the sal of this story. And I know that Jews enough through the Kamala Harris husband Doug Ham off has been out there publicly talking up. Jewish values for years. So just empirical, it my experience that the jews who most practice judaism the orthodox. For the least likely to talk about Jewish values because We understand Jewish obligations in particular legal terms, and there’s much less discussion of these am morph Jewish values.
Categories. The Jews least likely to practice any duty are the most likely to talk to the world about Jewish values. I noticed when I read a book on Hollywood that the people who most likely to describe that that Jewish upbringing is very religious, never orthodox jews orthodox jews don’t tend to talk about religion. And and those who grow up with the with the most discipline and with the most religious commitments in Jewish life. Are the least likely to talk about these obligations in religious terms.
That they’re understood more in terms of something called Yi k, which is Jewish tradition. So Steve Sailor has an important blog post. Why in 20 14 was a second gentleman doug m half a reasonably good looking 50 year old guy Who’s was making about a million dollars a year as a century city lawyer. Why was he available to marry his 50 year old Kamala Harris. Right?
They were born 7 days apart in October 19 64. Turns out this was because Doug screwed up his first marriage to the mother of his 2 kids by knocking up his kids school teacher whom the Am h also occasionally hired as a Nanny. Now, why is this relevant? Well, Kamala Harris has chosen to run her campaign on the issue of abortion? Now the daily male it emphasizes the pregnancy, but the New York Times ignores that angle.
Right? Because the pregnancy raises too many interesting questions for the New York Times to tolerate. Pregnancies are interesting, the New York times, 10000000 paying subscribers don’t read the New York Times because it’s interesting. They read them. Could they read the times because it bore them into assuming that their world is un unreasonable.
Now much of the New York Times approach. To new stories that raise uncomfortable questions for Liberals and for Democrats is boring, but much of the coverage outside of that tends to be well written and not boring. Taylor says, my impression is the median American vote finds abortion G. And would like the government to delegate other people being so sloppy as to be getting abortions. On the other hand, the median voter would, now that they think about it like abortion to be legal just in case, god forbid, their daughter happens to be imp by that loser boyfriend of hers.
Now the legalization of abortions impact on mail behavior is not a much discussed question, and it… This question might be brought to the surface in talking about the second. Gentleman’s conundrum. I don’t know what happened the second gentleman’s un born child, but as obviously an intriguing question. So let’s say that the reason That Em half was available to marry Kamala harris was because his kids school teacher in Nanny, whom he imp, Had an abortion.
So, therefore, he wasn’t under social pressure to marry her. Right? If he was just a prominent attorney, he would be under more social pressure if he was in a traditional community to Marry her or did his nanny mister school teacher give up the baby for adoption Did he pony up the money for her to raise the baby as a single mother? Did he not put up the money? Alright?
These are all relevant questions to the abortion policy question. That Kamala harris is raising. Let’s get a brief overview of the news here from Okay.
Speaker 3: Gotcha show up To its essence. A former president against a vice president who replaced the incumbent president, it might look like this.
Speaker 4: who’s plain weird. She’s plain weird? She’s a weird person.
Speaker 5: And by the way, don’t she find some of their stuff to just be plain weird?
Speaker 3: It’s the weirdness Olympics you might say. In an interview with Fox Laura and Donald Trump was asked how world leaders would treat Kamala Harris if she wins the election.
Speaker 4: She’ll be like a play. They look at her and they say we can’t believe we got so lucky. They’re gonna walk all over. And I don’t wanna say as to why but a lot of people understand it.
Speaker 3: Harris ra a big crowd in Atlanta over Trump’s makes signals on debating her.
Speaker 0: So I I think Donald Trump there is hinting about she’s probably more vulnerable to being bullied because she’s so insecure. Alright. She got style in politics as Willie Brown mistress. Alright. She’s great when she’s scripted, Alright.
She can’t be great. She can rise to the occasion when she scripted, but foreign negotiations are not always so scripted. And she’s less likely to raise to the occasion.
Speaker 5: Because as the same goes, if you got something to say,
Speaker 3: But most of the mainstream media showing virtually no interest in the extremely liberal things that Harris has said in the past in stark contrast to their v vicious appetite for any controversial utterance by J Vance, the only scrutiny coming on Fox and from some conservatives.
Speaker 6: So apparently, the kamala harris, campaign is an enormously leaking stuff to the New York Times because remember, we’ve been talking about how when she was running for president 20 19, 20 20, she said some crazy stuff. It’s all on tape. She’s not actually for that stuff anymore.
Speaker 7: I think a lot of people wanna see the media doing its job. Let’s ask serious questions about Kamala Harris record. Let’s ask about the quite stride left wing positions she was taking as recently as 20 20
Speaker 3: Shouldn’t that be part of the media responsibility? I’m Howard Kurt this is media buzz. Thanks.
Speaker 0: Possible
Speaker 3: The group’s c chair resigned partly because of the invitation, April Ryan, who shared a mutual disdain with Trump said bringing him in was unacceptable. Because he’s in far authoritarian. And the panel, which included Fox Harris Faulkner began with this question more of a ann pronunciation really by Abc abc’s Rachel Scott.
Speaker 8: You have pushed false claims about some of your rivals from Nikki Haley to former a president Barack…
Speaker 0: Okay. If if Donald Trump is an authoritarian, what what would the preferred liberal left policy options during Covid? Oh, 0, shutdown downs. I I am not a lawyer referring to the question in the chat. Alright.
For any emergency in every functioning democrat Cr. They’re are virtually unlimited emergency powers that are available, real emergency punitive emergency. A government just has to invoke the threat of an emergency, Cr to take away any ride such as saw during covid the initial periods that the lockdown downs, your right to freedom of assembly, your right to freedom of movement, Alright? Your right to petition the government in the form of a rally, we’re all taken away. So in an emergency, any government can take away your rights.
It was the left, generally speaking, who wanted much stricter lockdown downs and more rev vacation temporarily of rights in the face of this Covid emergency and generally speaking by a ratio about 2 to 1II think the left was right to institute lockdown. Not every lockdown and Right? Not every aspect of the lockdown was correct policy. But generally speaking, I think a national response to a health emergency like Covid, lockdown in the early stages encouraging people to get vaccinated, I think generally speaking by a ratio about 2 to 1, that the left was more right than the right with regard to Covid. Now at certain points, I think that the right was right, such as, perhaps when Florida reopened under Run scientists before most other states, you can make it a good case that that was good policy.
But What which side is more authoritarian. It doesn’t seem like a a particularly, compelling clear. Question and answer. Right The left was more authoritarian in its desired Covid responses than the right, in in other areas that the right may well be more authoritarian, but which side is more authoritarian probably depends upon the circumstances.
Speaker 8: Obama saying that they were not born in the United States, which is not true. You have told 4 congress 1 women color who were American citizen…
Speaker 0: And and this this question is dirty because she is lining up, 5 5 examples, arguments, diminish of Donald Trump before finally getting to her question. So this is a dirty tactic Right? A responsible tactic would be to ask 1 thing at a time. So it’s no wonder that Donald Trump reacted badly to that question.
Speaker 8: To go back to where they came from. You have used words like animal and rabbit to describe black district attorneys You’ve attacked black journalists, calling them a loser saying the questions that they ask are quote, stupid and racist. You’ve had dinner with the white supremacists at your Mar lag resort.
Speaker 0: So if you can’t ever call any black behavior stupid or or dub or idiotic? Right. So Rachel Scott is arguing. Essentially that Black should be off limits to criticism. Or stinging criticism or public singing criticism as black.
Simply because they they possess some sacred status that there should be off limits to criticism.
Speaker 8: Sport. So my question, sir, now that you were asking black supporters to vote for you, why should black voters?
Speaker 0: Okay. That’s that’s not really a question. It’s a rant package with examples presented in a way to make Donald Trump look stupid.
Speaker 8: Or trust you after you have used language like that.
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I don’t think I’ve ever been…
Speaker 0: After you’ve used language like that. You could do the same thing to Rachel Scott. You could say, Rachel based on your public comments here and here and here, Like, why would anyone trust you based on you using language like that? You can select examples from anybody’s life and make them look like a complete idiot, Well, remaining 100 percent factual accurate. Right?
Because we we’ve all said things that taken out of context or even taken within context, make us look idiotic, dangerous psychotic.
Speaker 4: Ask the question.
Speaker 0: So there’s a protocol to interviewing. Alright? That there’s airline pilots. They follow protocols. Hospitals follow protocols.
Throughout the professional world, there are protocols followed because you tend to get better results. When people are habit obituary to following protocols, as you do. This this this this this in this particular order, you check this this this this this, and this habit tends to produce more safety and better results than allowing people just to choose situations are on their own, and there is a protocol for asking questions if you want to elicit the best answers. And 1 1 protocol is you don’t put moral judgments in your questions. You ask open ended questions.
And so her question, not really a question and it’s designed to shut Donald Trump down. When when people The recipients of your moral judgment, they they don’t tend to open up to you. So what she she’s doing, it is violating all protocols. For a productive interview for the sake of appearing tough to her reporter peers
Speaker 4: So in in such a horrible manner, a first question. You don’t even say hello how are you? Are you with Abc? Because I think they’re a fake news network and terrible network. And oh I think it’s disgraceful that I came here in good spirit.
I love the black population of this country.
Speaker 3: Joining us now to analyze the coverage Utah, Jason Cha is the former Republican Congressman and Fox News contributor.
Speaker 0: Okay. We’re expecting to hear today or tomorrow, the Democrats vice presidential pick and there’s a a fascinating angle to this is that it is completely acceptable part of contemporary discourse, the question whether the Democrats hate to Jews too much to allow for the selection of a Jewish vice presidential candidate because on the face of it, Josh Shapiro governor of Pennsylvania, seems to make the most sense. We had the mayor of Philadelphia Leek, That Josh Shapiro was going to be the vice president presidential nominee on Friday. That happened? Was that just incompetence?
Or was this part of a… Strategy, often, political operations will leak things in advance such as prospective picks to see what the public reaction is. Now why is it just considered completely acceptable for mainstream discourse to inquire at do do Democrats just hate Jews too much to allow for a Jew to be the vice presidential nominee. Because if this situation occurred among Republicans, then the news media would be up in arms that this is outrageous, but you don’t notice any outrage on behalf of the mainstream media, over questioning whether or not Jews, whether or not democrats can select a jew. This is just conventional accepted discourse.
Right? His Jenna Goldberg.
Speaker 9: I don’t know. I mean, what does rash regina at to leave say? He picks a jew, and I just find the the the sort of the dog not embarking on this point, really kind of fascinating, I do think it’s worth our time. That said, what else are we gonna talk about?
Speaker 10: Jonah, let me just follow up if she doesn’t pick Shapiro. So let let me back up. To me, the the 3 issues that you’re looking for in a Vp if you’re smart and not the Donald Trump and his field of folks. Popularity, she needs to moderate the ticket, and swing, and ship Pier wins on all of those. He has the highest favor in his state, over 60 percent.
He’s clearly a moderate. He would he would send that message that Chris was talking about on, like, the the vibes of, like, hey, Look. See, I like people who are moderates. And there is no path to the White House that doesn’t run through Pennsylvania. So whether he absolutely can win Pennsylvania or not it almost doesn’t matter to even give you the better.
Shot at winning Pennsylvania is worth a whole lot. And so then the question comes, So why would you ever not pick Shapiro? And the answer seems obvious because you believe that your voters are too anti semitic to tolerate a Jewish guy on the ticket, and we’ve seen that. Right? So Kelly shows up for the net netanyahu speech.
No one’s protesting him as a pick. Shapiro actually criticized Netanyahu, but they’re protesting him. What’s the difference? It’s clearly not their positions on Israel. 1 of them is a Jew.
So… If she does a pick shapiro.
Speaker 0: So I don’t like the framing of anti semitic because it it. The brutal reality that different groups have different interests. Right? The interests of Palestinians or the interests of many different groups pre them to have a negative perspective on Jews or at least the Jewish state. Right?
If different groups have different interests, then if your group has a negative reaction to blacks or to Jews, it it may not just be bigotry and ignorance, It just may be that the interest of your group go against the interest of a different group, which I think is brutal reality. Right? Sometimes the interests of Jews and Chinese a contradictory or the interests of Jews and blacks or the interests of Jews and gentile or the interests of Jews. And arabs of Jews and muslims are at odds. Right?
Different groups tend to have different hero systems tend to want different things, Human desires are infinite, material resources are limited, inevitably jews groups are gonna come into conflict with each other I I don’t like the unnecessary normalization of what, simply boils down to significant conflicts of interest. So Is it Gen ex Democrats or Boomer Democrats who are quote unquote anti semitic? But younger Democrats are more likely to have anti Jewish attitudes because they are more likely to be people of color who have a hero system in a world view and and sympathies that are more likely to be at odds with majority Jewish era systems and interest.
Speaker 10: Is it antisemitism? And does that itself mean she kind of has to pick Shapiro?
Speaker 9: No. I mean, like, I don’t wanna go that far. I mean, you can actually make an affirmative case for Walt’s, I think. He’s… , he’s the 1 who launched a thousand memes with the weirdness thing.
He’s he’s really good at talking Midwestern and talking like a high school principle and a football coach. He wanna Republican district, the only 1 to win that district in a long time. And even though it’s tragic. Even though he’s only, like, 6 months older than, Kamala Harris, He looks like he’s from the World War 2 generation or something. It’s sort of like me and David French.
David’s only like 5 months older than me, but he looks like, ,
Speaker 10: my never called you great grandpa.
Speaker 9: Are you my
Speaker 10: grandfather? Nate said?
Speaker 9: But I do think I think that’s fantastic, and I will be calling. A great grandfather from now. And forth it. But, I do think it’s worth raising the question. Okay.
So why, , why didn’t you pick Shapiro. Right? I mean, like, I think that’s a perfectly legitimate question in interview. It could be once she completely screws up. 1 of the arguments you hear is that Shapiro really slick.
He’s kinda got a little bit of a butt edge. Kinda like, too clever for his own good kind of vibe, and that it is not the kind of vibe, necessarily that Harris wants. I mean, I think she should pick it shapiro. But I think you could come up with other… You could talk yourself out of it for reasons…
Reasons other than, , rank anti semitism,
Speaker 10: Can I just say guys, Mark Kelly has been a space? Okay? Yeah. I think Mark kelly has a lot going for him, but again on those 3 categories. I mean, he is popular.
Arizona is an important state. He is more moderate than she is, but he’s just like…
Speaker 0: Okay. So the Democrats… Chose to put Doug M half out there publicly to make the case for abortion. So let’s Let’s get some audio
Speaker 11: half traveled to Georgia to hold an event, focus on mobilizing men to advocate for reproductive rights. He joined Me nbc’s. Yam michel S after the event for an exclusive interview.
Speaker 12: It’s a topic rarely discussed. And when the second gentleman is focusing on. The role men can play in advocating for abortion rights.
Speaker 13: It is a medical health care. Crisis.
Speaker 12: On Tuesday, an exclusive interview with Nbc Doug M hof said, he wants men to see reproductive health care as an issue impacting the fundamental freedoms of everyone.
Speaker 13: This is a issue of fairness to women, women are dying. It’s affecting man’s ability to plan. Their lives. And it’s also an issue of what’s next, what what other freedoms are at risk.
Speaker 12: H spoke to Nbc in Atlanta where he convene. Panel on the Role men play and pushing for abortion access. The event was time to mark the fifth anniversary of Georgia’s 6 week ban on most abortions
Speaker 13: being in this position of being second gentlemen and then also being the first man ever to be in this role, it it just would be…
Speaker 0: So the Democrats chose to put him out there knowing that he’d had an affair and gotten his his ne pregnant. So when you put yourself out there publicly advocating for something. And then it turns out that your private behavior, is relevant to the public policy position that you’re articulating, alright, you are inviting scrutiny of your private behavior.
Speaker 13: Wrong for me not to use this microphone to advocate for this issue.
Speaker 12: What’s your message to the many male lawmaker that we’ve seen be part of restricting abortion rates.
Speaker 13: Stop it. Listen to the people in this country, see what’s going on. Is listen to doctors, Listen to nurses, listen to men and women who are…
Speaker 0: There’s there’s no profound moral Wisdom. That is exclusive or predominantly coming from health care workers. Alright. A a doctor or a nurse inherently, intrinsically have no more superior wisdom on the morality of abortion than plumbers and landscape.
Speaker 13: Who are suffering because of those actions
Speaker 12: as part of his efforts, M h said he’s been talking to men across the country and in his personal life.
Speaker 13: I’m talking about this with my other dad friends. I’m talking about it with my son about how…
Speaker 0: I’m talking about this with other men who have affairs and get women who have much lower associate status than them. Pregnant. So this woman got fired from her job. Right? His kids school teacher at the the Willow school in C city, Right.
She got fired from her job because he imp her. So there are all sorts of vice as Adam Smith makes clear in his 17 76 book the wealth of nations. That the upper classes can engage in with the relatively little price to be paid that can be absolutely devastating for the lower class. So middle class kids, for example, they can often listen to rap music. They can often enjoy prom permissible sex and some pornography and dabble in drug use.
Without it destroying their lives, but any of these individual vice for people with fewer resources perhaps less discipline, lower Iq would be absolutely devastating and what people on the top of society do, Right? Trickle was down to below. And so high Iq people with a lot of resources can get away with a lot of these vice, which when adopted by the lower classes will be absolutely devastating.
Speaker 13: How, this is gonna impact him and and how he’s gonna start a family or not.
Speaker 0: Yeah. He’s out there and he’s getting people pregnant as he’s prom and that can really get in the way of your career.
Speaker 12: Tuesday’s event was a collaboration between Em h and a group called men for Choice, which has held other gatherings with the second general maze.
Speaker 0: So I’d say about half of the women I’ve known well, I’ve had abortions. Had a girlfriend to put it this way. Abortion is just something that every woman goes through. Right? She was a a secular left wing, Us.
She said that she’d never had an abortion, but It does does seem. What what what are the statistics? Is it is it approaching 50 percent of women who have abortions?
Speaker 12: Cecil price a third is a more house student and a member of men for choice.
Speaker 13: It hurts me, to see that potentially the rights. Of my sisters of my mother can taken away. And I a responsibility in a duty as a brother, but also has a leader to advocate for them.
Speaker 12: Meanwhile… Several women, including Moore said they welcomed ben organizing around abortion. We…
Speaker 0: Wow. What a a completely 1 cited Nbc news report?
Speaker 14: All hands day.
Speaker 12: More a nurse said her husband speaking up for her soon after she had their son, saved her life.
Speaker 14: I had to have a emergency Stack. I had too much bleeding in and my blood pressure was basically plummeting. But it was my husband who really advocated for my health and well being and
Speaker 0: good comment in the chat. Doug half is playing to the banging the babysitter demographic and. Okay. Of men, I know well. My my sense is that probably a quarter.
A third of them have banged the babysitter. Right. Man, I know well, tend to have resources. And they tend to have successful careers. They tend to be millionaires, and They tend to have babysitter and most men are willing to risk everything for the opportunity to have sex with a young attractive woman.
Speaker 12: That’s critical. Meanwhile, like his wife, vice president Kamala Harris, and President Biden, M h pointed criticized for
Speaker 0: And why does it matter? Because if a man is enjoying a great sexual relationship. He’s gonna be more willing to sacrifice and protect? That woman who is banging on a regular basis than anyone else. Right?
He’ll be more likely to sacrifice and protect her, than his own wife, than his own kids, then his job, than his reputation. Alright. A man, will we’ll give up everything to protect the woman that he’s banging. And so that’s why the sex life of politicians is important because the the normal man, is going to give his highest priority to the woman with whom he’s having great regular sex.
Speaker 12: Former president Trump
Speaker 0: And this is why women in particular, fear men having affairs because a man is most likely to direct his resources towards the woman that he’s is having the most sex with.
Speaker 12: And underscored what he believes is at stake in November.
Speaker 13: This is a binary election. You’ve got the former president on 1 side who is celebrating. The overturn of Ro wade saying women must be punished. And then on the other side, you’ve got Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, who are on the right side of each and every everyone.
Speaker 0: So between 19 94 and 19 95, I slept with about 20 women. And I I neither… Proud nor ashamed of this. I don’t think it’s morally good. But this is the perspective I take on my past because it best enables me to talk honestly and to reflect honestly on my past.
I was doing the best I could to meet my needs with the tools that I then had at by disposal. What are the downsides with great amount of prom is that it also ironically incur the most astronomical amounts of self control to keep it from being ruining. So on the 1 hand, you’re exhibiting the lease self control because you’re willing to consistently drop your standards to get off. So 1 of the women that are slept with, were wim that I would not wanna be seen in in public with because they were perhaps quite overweight. On the other hand, there were handful of occasions.
Maybe 3 occasions in total where Are just studying a sexual relationship with a woman, and I’m… Engaging in intercourse with her and she changes her mind. It says stop. I don’t wanna do this, and it took every ounce of my self control to stop in those situations. And I did.
I think it only happened about 3 ties, but it was absolutely excruciating to stop in the middle of sexual intercourse, but that’s the kind of self control that you must exhibit if you’re not going to get someone pregnant or you’re not going to vastly increase your chances of crime, there’s a terrific Netflix true crime documentary series, homicide La, Homicide, New York, just chilling stories of of murder and how they they caught the murders. Once you start having affairs, once you start becoming sexually prom, you are likely bringing in a whole lot of chaos to your life, and people will often kill over sexual affairs. And when when you’re having these intimate, , sexual… Liaison with people, you don’t know very well. The the chances of things just going wildly out of control, incredibly spiral and they demand levels of self control.
That you don’t have to exhibit normal life. You don’t wanna have to rely on your self control because we all only have limited amounts of our self control. Ideally. You wanna set up a a life. Where you depend on your self control as little as possible.
But if you as actually prom, you’re often gonna to be called upon to use every ounce of your self control, if you wanna stay out of trouble, you wanna avoid catching an Sd or spreading an Sd or getting someone pregnant, or, , violating their consent, understanding what constitute consent has dramatically changed over the past few decades. I would I would go to parties at I’d I’d pick up on certain women. And at least 1 occasion, maybe 2 occasions. I remember being alone in a car with a woman or going on a first date with a woman, and I’m highly attracted to her. She seems to be highly attracted to me, and I’m just starting to make my physical move on her.
And she’ll go, I need you to know that I’m married. And then it would take every ounce of my self control to stop because I I always had the moral standard. I should not, , never must, ruin in someone’s marriage. I I should never… That have sex with the married woman to the best of my knowledge.
I I never did, but it would require every ounce self control because married women will sometimes, use the affirmation that they get from men wanting to date them men being attracted to them. And so they will don’t you and ent you and play you along, and then when when you’re most vulnerable, now I’ll spring on you that she is married. They’re like, Ed… Wow. Alright So there there are beats of self control.
That that people with, say, an extraordinary history of self control or with, more resources than your average person or a higher Iq, someone is better able to see the future and the consequences of not exercising incredibly painful levels of self control is going to pull off that someone with 100 Iq and and fewer resources is going to be less likely to pull off. I mean, civilization would fall apart if everybody had the the number of sexual partners that I have had, particularly in my year of prom 19 94 to 95. And I slept with far fewer people than I could have because many times I just was not psychologically up. But messing around. Alright.
There were countless occasions when attractive women that I guess part of me wanted to sleep with, but I just wasn’t up for the for the challenges and and complications and and the vulnerabilities that come with an intimate sexual encounter. Buck back to this Nbc news report on Doug M h campaign or abortion rights.
Speaker 11: Honor of these issues. And joins me now on set. Thank you so much for bringing us this interview and Look, the president, the vice president, the second gentleman.
Speaker 0: Okay. Here is, Doug Emma off on is Jewish Heritage.
Speaker 15: As the world prepares to mark International Holocaust remembrance its day in honor of the 6000000 jews and millions of others murdered
Speaker 0: Right, if you wanna speak out making the case for Jewish values and the beauties of of being Jewish, then your own private behavior is gonna get much more scrutiny Ai I suspect. This Ne teacher who Am hof imp and got her fired from a job. Is probably not jewish.
Speaker 15: By the Nazis. But I had the chance to speak explore.
Speaker 0: And there there were devastating stories that that I’ve heard in Jewish Life where… Jewish married Jewish men, right, with multiple children have affairs with a non Jewish nanny. And and once a man is having a heart sexual relationship, he is predisposed to giving up everything for the sake of that hot sexual relationship. And so many a Jewish man has lost everything. Has lost his family, Lost his job, lost his position in his community, lost his religious and spiritual life as he’s followed his penis into non Jewish women.
And Ruined his own life, ruined his family and ruined the non Jewish Ne life. And and often Jewish men who have given up everything that they have built over many years and essentially followed their their Non jewish sexual partner into a life of exile.
Speaker 15: P today with second gentleman, Doug Am hof? About his own efforts to fight anti semitism and other forms of hatred.
Speaker 0: So Jews who knows practice judaism. At the least likely to get out there to fight anti semitism. There’s no mit sphere in the torah to fight anti semitism from an orthodox jewish perspective, this is a pointless endeavor compared to the overwhelming imperative of following the commandments, none of which contained the admission fight anti semitism, Right? This is a way for people who don’t practice Judaism. Right?
Who are not sacrificing for a traditional Jewish life. To retain some sem of connection to their tradition.
Speaker 15: You’re the first Jewish spouse of the Us vice president or president of that matter. We’re sitting down as the world is getting ready to mark, international Holocaust, remembrance its today in the wake of the horrific October seventh assault. On Israel. The deadliest day for Jews as you and I well know since the holocaust. Why is it especially important to commemorate this day this year
Speaker 13: Wolf, that was a genocide. What happened in all cost. As they say we can never forget. I was there at Auschwitz last year, international holocaust remembrance and stay in that this past year. I’ve been profoundly affected by that experience what I saw.
It’s it’s never left me. In fact, it’s informed the work that I have done with the administration on fighting anti semitism hate of all forms, which was very prevalent prior to October seventh. And, of course, since October seventh, we’ve seen literally a crisis of anti semitism that is erupted.
Speaker 0: So Mark Hal on a video last night has noted that this, doug M half affair story has behind the scenes destabilize. The Kamala Harris campaign. Now, E half, both in the press that his goal is to be there for his family. Because 1 thing you can do for your children is having an affair with a popular teacher at their school that causes her to leave her job. Alright?
Kids never talk or tease about things like that. So the Kamala harris campaign is telling journalists off the record that there is no child. But they do not respond to questions about whether the pregnancy was aborted if there was a financial settlement with the teacher, there must be non disclosure agreement with the teacher. So powerful people alright, can screw around. And then get a handle on stories by paying people off and having people sign non disclosure agreements.
Fairly amazing that the Kamala harris campaign yet the press to not report something the pregnancy by simply refusing to admit it or to respond. This point the pregnancy should not be hard for journalists to confirm even if they don’t trust the daily mail. Weird that the New York Times does not mention that the the woman was also the Am half Nanny, something that the daily mail reports. New York Times lays out that the woman had to leave her job because of this whether she was pregnant or not. It seems like a key detail.
New York Times tries to render this story as boring as possible. There is a supportive statement from Doug Emma house first wife, the 1 that he lost over this affair. In the Cnn news story, there is no supportive statement from his wife Kamala Harris. The neither the Biden camp nor the Trump camp, leaked this Doug Ama half a store, a fair story where he knocked up his Nanny teacher. I any journalists have known about it since 20 20, But because I guess Doug M hof belongs to sacred cause, the cause of the democratic party, no journalists published this story until now.
So her main job was a teacher at a private school Willow in C city where Am house kids attended she moonlight as an nanny with the M half family. She lost her job at the school after the affair was discovered by Em house wife. So this teacher paid the prize for everything, not Doug M half. And so Doug Em half says that he wants to mobilize men. For the cause of abortion.
Right? How how this is going to impact men, how he’s going to start a family or not. Back to Cnn.
Speaker 13: Here in the United States, but in fact, all around the world. So it’s really important of, as this date is is coming up to commemorate the horrors of of millions. 6000000 jews slaughtered, and we both saw with our own eyes wolf…
Speaker 0: Right. If you’re gonna be taken seriously on sacred subjects. Then it requires either a certain level of propriety in your own behavior or you’re opening yourself wide up for About criticism.
Speaker 13: How it was done in those chambers and the cr. And in the case of of my family and millions others is shot in town squares and buried in ditch indigenous. True holocaust genocide, and it’s so important that we never forget that and and know that it happened. Push back on this misinformation, misinformation, in lead with education.
Speaker 15: I was at Auschwitz this past April. It was so powerful, so moving for me as a child of holocaust survivors. What moments from your experience visiting our should stay with you to this day and sort of jump out at you all the time.
Speaker 13: I remember that… It’s stark, the cold, the barb wire, the the gun turret. And as , it’s preserved almost how it was. That does use feel the desperate and and the horror. And for me, it’s it’s looking at the personal effects, there’s the shoes, there’s the glasses, the hair of of the of those slaughtered to see the the the the gas chambers and the cr, you see the train that that brought people and some who who just were led right to the gas chamber it stays with you in such a visceral way.
Speaker 16: You’re…
Speaker 0: So the arguments for same sex marriage are much easier to make on the pro same sex. Marriage side because the primary arguments from a conservative perspective are that same sex marriage destabilize traditional values. And and that’s also a key conservative argument against a portion that it destabilize and des sex and that’s not immediately visceral compelling if you don’t hold to a traditional perspective on life. And so, Patrick Buchanan gave a a culture war talk in the 19 92 Republican convention. Right?
Saying that the United States is a republic that a republic requires citizens of a certain character, and that character is being eroded by the modern liberal state by welfare, by pate of all kinds, right by civil rights legislation. So normally a civilization develop standards by the vast majority of this population because different groups have different hero systems and different standards, For example, if you have a lot of East Asians moving to an area, they will try to create a more rigorous public school district that will be much more demanding, and will be a very different public school district if it were primarily a white public school district or primarily a Latino public school district or or primarily a black public school district. Right? Different ethnic groups, different racial groups have different hero systems, different levels of moral propriety. And so there’s a about 8 East Asians driving very slowly and carefully.
Well East Asians compared to white people compared to Latinos and compared to blacks, tend to conduct themselves throughout life much more carefully than other groups. Right? They’re more careful about who they have sex with. They are more careful. About the kind of behavior that leads 2 And unwanted pregnancies They are more careful about getting an education.
And as a result, they live longer. They have lower crime rates. They have more family stability. They earn more money per hour. They are more educated.
And morality requires discipline. And it’s lot easier to maintain a hero system in a certain kind of moral discipline if you’re in a homogeneous environment rather than a multicultural 1. Because when you’re living around a vast variety of hero systems, right, it or tend to erode your commitment to your unique hero system because you are increasingly exposed to what seems like the fictional nature of your hero system. Like, why should I sacrifice sexual pleasure when I I see other groups having , many more parties and much more sexual deb divorce then my group enjoys. Why should I limit myself, when I see other groups seemingly having a a lot more fun.
And so as Americans become more multicultural, we have more competing hero systems, and that tends to undercut sexual discipline and other forms of discipline and other forms of morality because people are again to be less likely to constrain themselves once they become increasingly aware of other choices. Right? It’s easier to constrain yourself if you don’t think there’s a choice But when you notice other hero systems and other forms of sexual morality, that’s going to have more of an influence on you as opposed to living in a community where there’s just 1 dominant hero system where there’s just 1 dominant morality.
Speaker 17: Where
Speaker 0: Here is an interesting perspective from, Mark Hal, that is never brought up when Donald Trump is cast for… Challenging the 20 20 election results.
Speaker 14: Things about it last time though?
Speaker 18: There were there were way too many changes made based on Covid that should have been done more clearly and more fairly, but it doesn’t mean the election was stolen, and those were the rules and that’s our our system work. But that’s that’s all that happened last time. But but I think this time will be different because I think they’ll be more preparation to understand. I don’t think they’ll be the same patients for it. That’s my right.
Speaker 5: Are …
Speaker 0: Wow. What a common sense , ae diet, pit discussion there. Compared to what you you normally hear in the news media on this story. And let’s get a burst here from
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Speaker 0: So my friend Elliot Platt says in the chat, vote white mail is clearly meant to enable voter fraud. We don’t have any evidence that that is true. If we had evidence that that was true, then we’d have a stronger case. Yeah. On a common sense basis, I can see how it would appear that vote by mail is more encouraging of of voter fraud, But bro, Where are the studies?
You’re you’re relying on your gut? You’re relying on your intuition, bro, but those are weak epidemics. Where are you a peer reviewed academic studies? That support your sup position that vote by mail is clearly meant to enable election fraud. That So Pat Buchanan and his culture wars speech is about in large part, what happens when we unravel the moral fabric.
Right? When false also things that were taken for granted forms of self discipline, start to drop away. So Republicans in 19 92 writes, Christopher Caldwell. August second may have been too sw in free market ideology who understand what they were hearing. Pat you buchanan only took a quarter of the Republican vote in 19 92, but people who did.
Understand it received the message like an electro shock. The republican party would live on as a racket for its network, but it would not be taken seriously by its base again until it it out what Pat Buchanan was talking about, that process would take about 24 years until the rise of Donald Trump. Figure So if we look at the popular discontent out of which reagan arose in the late 19 seventies, this makes sense. Right? There was a worry, the civil rights agitation, Strengthened by the full might of the federal government is becoming a means to boss people around and grind the faces of the poor, So you can’t expand rights for 1 group without taking away rights for other groups.
It it it does sound beautiful. It does sound immediately compelling to have civil rights. Right? What what normal person, there’s not want to see every citizen en ent with some civil rights. But with the civil rights passed in 19 64, and then in further iterations, they simultaneously took away other rights.
So on the face of its civil rights seem fantastic. And On the other hand, they always come at a price of other rights. So you’re you’re right to rent out your home to whom you want I reduced by the civil rights legislation, your rights to hire who you want or reduced by the civil rights legislation, all sorts of private choices. Are imp upon by the civil rights legislation. So much so that the original constitution has effectively been replaced by a second civil rights constitution argues Christopher Caldwell.
So rights of freedom of association and rights to private property, you being significantly reduced by civil rights legislation. So it was just a worry in the late 19 seventies, It was not yet a grievance, But it became writing on the wall, and the background. The the moral fabric of society had been completely rewire by this extensive civil rights legislation and by the increasing dominance of a new understanding of morality. So the first, George h w Bush Era was a kind of soft des, right? Operating under a system that journalist Baptized political correctness during the 19 89 19 90 School year.
This is the America of the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearing and the invention of sexual harassment. So this brought about a hardening in the country’s cultural reagan. And then this burned itself out after the Oklahoma City bombing in 19 95 and the explosion of silicon Valley innovation. The problem seem to be solved that era ended, but the problems renewed themselves leading up to the election of Donald Trump in 20 16. So the cultural part of rig it was more important than the economic.
Alright. The government’s glaring failure in the year since Lyndon Johnson’s reforms at 19 64 and 65, especially in civil rights and immigration law. Recover anything like the freedom self rule fellow feeling of the America that they through. Today’s sometimes majority yet pop is not yesterday’s fringe discontent. So an elite can only rule if if it is up against United public.
Right? Because then when you have a multicultural public, then the elite can make alliances and continue its rule. But if the people, Discover common interest and band together than the elite are much more likely to be replaced by a new elite. The Sam Francis for all his disappointment with Republicans, he did not think of himself as fringe. Heidi claimed to speak on behalf of a profound social movement that reflects American society and that promises to dominate.
Socially and culturally. You don’t often hear Donald Trump speak this way. But there is the sense that there is a united people out there waited waiting to be aroused and to be activated to create a united populist people around a devotion of the civil rights and liberal revolution over the past 60 years. So a key foundation of the traditional conservative right wing world view is that there is a social order that exists outside of you. As opposed to the liberal conception of the buffett itself is able to create meaning immoral morality purpose and a path forward in life just through the use of his own autonomous will.
So the right winger is most likely to have an ethos of do your duty, the liberal most likely to have an ethos to follow your bliss. And Ronnie Goodman work in progress conservative claims of cultural oppression on the nature and origins of conservative. Explains this better than any other book of which I’m aware. So we note that Amy Wax observe that rational liberals are moved and uni impressed by social conservatives, vague permissions of erosion or unraveling of the social order. Remember to be right wing is to believe that there’s a social order, a system of morality purpose and meaning to which your purpose in life is to conform yourself.
And for liberals, conservative fears about the erosion of this social order is an inadequate basis for resisting changes that satisfy immediate needs and urgent desires such just same sex marriage. So traditional have these vague prem permissions about the unraveling of the social order, just And for Liberals, these are just lingering pre modern sensibilities, which should not be allowed to interfere with, more modern forms of fulfillment. Alright. Let’s get a boost here. A burst here from a left wing podcast, which is among the most successful podcast, it’s called if books could kill and these guys managed to put in, like, 20 times more insights per per minute or per hour.
Show that that I do. They are really good at what they do. So even if you disagree with their ideology, they are wildly entertaining, provocative, show And if if you have this perception of the left is just kill jo and dull and overly serious and unable to have a sense of humor about things, then you should listen and get an entertaining left wing perspective. This is their episode on He’ll be Ella by Jd Vets.
Speaker 7: Opportunity. He says that’s part of it, but it actually gets the real problem backwards. The real problem is a decaying culture which in turn creates or worsen poverty. Oh He tells the story. Of working in a warehouse where there is a worker who was chronically late and would take multiple very long breaks every day when the guy is fired,
Speaker 0: he flesh
Speaker 7: out of the boss, saying like, how could he do this to me? Vance says that this experience taught him that the problems with the region, quote, run far deeper than macroeconomic trends and policies and that there are, quote, too many young men immune to hard work.
Speaker 20: I thought there were all kinds of statistics about social mobility in the United States, but it turns out that a lazy guy got fired and was mad about it. So Who’s to say what’s right?
Speaker 7: The prevailing theme of the book is that working class whites would be able to lift themselves out of poverty, if only they believed it were possible. And it’s their negativity, their learned helpless that keeps them down.
Speaker 20: Einstein taught us that the universe evolved. From thought that time is an illusion.
Speaker 7: This is the overlap between the secret and Hill Ella. It’s true.
Speaker 20: To believe this about America you have to believe, that compared to other developed nations. We just have higher rates of bad attitudes. I’m like, that’s quite there’s more poor people in America than there are in Denmark.
Speaker 7: Right. You’re looking at an unemployment
Speaker 0: or you just might have higher rates of low Iq people. Alright? If you’re have a lower Iq? Right, You’re less likely to have valuable job skills, you’re less likely to see the future clearly, you’re less likely to have empathy for other people. And the United States does have a significantly higher percentage of its population that has way below average Iq.
Hence, the United States has all the dysfunction that you expect from significant low Iq populations.
Speaker 7: I’m mid short. And In your mind, it’s just measuring laziness over time.
Speaker 20: Right.
Speaker 7: Exactly. That’s why he’s always relying on anecdotes. He’s he’s not a data guy. Right. There are 21 citations in the book totals, which is low in and of itself, but also especially weird because he often makes
Speaker 0: No. It’s not especially weird because it’s not an academic book. Alright. It’s a narrative book. It’s a storytelling book.
Okay. Israel bracing for an attack as a con convert Orthodox judaism, Yeah. I’m paying particular attention to this. It hits hits me in the k lakes.
Speaker 21: Hi, Art, well, the region is brace. Thing for what is likely going to be an Iranian response or a response by Iranian proxies. This as we’ve continued to see cross border strikes between Israel and Lebanon on the northern side of the country. Take a look at this footage. This is what took place last night is bill says today that it took out a hezbollah, a launch this was after that it a hezbollah from Lebanon fired about 30 projectiles into northern Israel overnight.
Most airlines right now are camp link trips to the region after countries like the Us, France and the Uk are urging their citizens to leave Lebanon. Now there’s also new finding in got, that is where Israel says that in the last day, it conducted new strikes strikes that have killed as many as 18 people and dozens Az other are wounded. That’s according to Hamas. These targets included a hospital and an old school, both of which the other Id idea claims are being used to make weapons. Now today, Gaza health ministry says that more than 39000 people have been killed.
In Gaza since the start of the war. It has been 10 months since October seventh Is still today, Hamas has fired half a dozen rockets reaching as far north as central Israel. Now here in Tel aviv unrest last night protesters with police demonstrators who are critical of prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and families of the more than 100 hostages demanded that the government reach a deal. We saw some people in those crowds, holding signs, reading stop the war, but more violence here in the city after an attack today just outside of Tel aviv.
Speaker 0: Some So at a certain that is narrow as. Israel is just 9 miles across. So when you’re a small? Highly difficult to defend country with a small population. So you cannot afford a large standing army.
You’re much more vulnerable, than your average nation state. And when you’re more vulnerable, you’re can have to compensate for that in part with greater brutality, Right? You have to have escalation dominance. You have to intimidate your adversaries so that they don’t think that they can, attack you. And it’s a lot easier to to be moral when you’ve got a a large imposing standing army and you’re protected by, say, natural barriers against invasions such as if you’re an island.
Speaker 21: When a Palestinian man began stabbing Israelis at a gap. Station and a park, 2 senior citizens are dead to others are hospitalized. Netanyahu was expected to hold a security assessment in about an out or from now, the prime minister also made this warning today.
Speaker 0: So our Israel’s elites are overwhelmingly opposed to its right wing government, and the most productive active affluent financially successful sectors of the Israeli economy, also tend to be the most opposed to Tv’s government.
Speaker 22: The state of Israel is in a multi front war against Iran’s axis of evil. We hit each of its arms hard, we are prepared for any scenario, both any defense and attack.
Speaker 21: Right now, the country’s defense minister is currently holding a briefing. They are doing assessments of what would likely be an Iranian response and what that would likely look like here. On the ground.
Speaker 20: Okay. Live in tel aviv, Alex…
Speaker 0: Okay. So the traditional argument. About fears of moral erosion are more difficult to mount than immediate claims to rights such as to same sex marriage. So you have justice Black dissent in bowel versus hardware where he argues of homosexuality involves no real interference with the rights of others. Mere acknowledge that other individuals know it adhere to once value system cannot be at legally cog, the sizable interest.
Right? So this is how moral opposition to homosexuality is understood by Liberals. It’s just merely in annoy. From a traditional perspective, right, gay sex creates a dis equilibrium in the order of things. So from a liberal perspective, regulating other people’s private una intrusive personal conduct out of a concern for the moral fiber society is dis.
It’s just some ga to ara steep power in the service of merely personal preferences. But if you’ve ever loved a car or loved an object, that we can place ourselves in in things around us. And when you have a hero system, right, assaults to your hero system also, will constitute very real visceral harm that you experience. And so if you happen to have a heterosexual, system, and you believe, for example, that Marriage should be a heterosexual institution that the military should be a heterosexual institution, then gay marriage and the open celebration of of gays in the military is going to feel painful to you. It’s going to be an assault, on that which you hold sacred.
So it used to be that those who lived sexually prom and Bo lives understood their way of life is appropriate only for a select few for those superior souls who are capable are throwing off the shackles of Bourgeois convention. But now you have this sexually and Bo life that is increasingly prose to the entire population. And now the elites see themselves as possessing a singular spiritual independence that they now want to transmit to the majority of the population. So what was once a curious tiny sub culture is increasingly dominant culture, and that’s in part the reason why we have ever increasing numbers of children born out of wed lock. So the the liberal sexual moral rays or a previously a hobby of just a few members of the elite, have mutated into a cor so short nihilism, rays that attacks the foundations of the American spirit from a conservative perspective.
This is Ronnie Goodman work in progress, conservative claims of cultural oppression. So the kind of family that has been regarded for Centuries as natural and normal. Remember prior to the last 25 years. You did not have same sex marriage in any culture. And now the traditional nuclear family is often seen as pathological.
That it is conceal behind the facade of respect, the new original sin of child abuse. Alright? Child abuse has been so stretched that it essentially means anything that you do that limits the fulfillment of your children. So smoking has now been elevated to the rank of a sin while sexual prom is tolerated as a matter of individual right and choice. Rape has been increasingly defined up, to include any sexual activity that 1 participant has come to regret.
So the elite have rejected the common sense of the united majority because it’s very common isn’t in a front to their identity. Alright? Throughout history, aristocrats have wished to separate themselves from regular people. That’s where you would have rules about the type of clothing. That you’re allowed to wear it depend on your social status.
But to being an ari democrat now means to continually invent ways that you can distinguish yourself from the common people. So the the very identity of an elite in our society who has this elevated buffer liberal enlightenment sense of morality. Pre poses a world that must resist their prescriptions a world to common to united to recognize their superior wisdom and morality thus all the more in need of lecturing and hector. So whether it comes to the rights of criminals or the merits of Avant got, art, there’s always this pattern of seeking differentiation at any cost by our new ari. This leaves conservatism essentially as a dis culture, 1 that does not possess the high grounds of the means of cultural production.
The elites of the distant culture cannot begin to match in numbers or influence those who occupy the commanding heights the dominant culture, such as professors, journalists, Tv and movie producers of various cultural entrepreneurs, chin even mainstream religion has fallen under the dominant cultures sway. 1 might have expected it to be at the forefront of the resistance, But now the mainline churches pride themselves on being cosmopolitan, sophisticated, un dogma and, and so they offer little resistance to the prevailing culture. So conservatives for many many decades wanted to believe that the people as opposed to the elites were still sound. Still devoted to traditional values in traditional ways of life, and only superficial seduced by the bland of the counter culture. Now this confidence has eroded has have the values themselves as we have increasing levels of sexual prom and out of wed lock birth rates and sexually transmitted diseases.
So conservatives who claim cultural oppression, now understand themselves not as representing the numerical majority. But what the numeric majority would be, but for the mass incentives of the liberal elite who are in control. So I stand by the perspectives of not born yesterday, that book about how we did not evolve to be gullible. But certain moral disciplines, alright much harder to maintain when people, given choices to not maintain those disciplines. Right?
Many disciplines are much easier to maintain when you don’t think about having to make a choice to maintain sexual discipline. But in a multi multicultural society, where the the benefits of sexual prom seem to be all around you, it it’s much harder to maintain your own sexual discipline. And so it’s it’s the steady erosion of our traditional values of the the traditional moral framework and Bedrock of society, that it is what’s concerning conservatives, whether it’s abortion on demand, same sex marriage and increasing respect for, devi behavior. Now our elites tend to lead fairly traditional lives. Right?
Most most of them most of the time can confer conform to traditional ideals of morality and propriety. But they don’t preach what they practice. Right They don’t have these firm confidence in the principles, the traditional moral principles underlying their behavior. And so they are not making the case for traditional values even though in their private lives, they’re still living. Often by traditional values.
Right? Let’s get more of this left wing critique of Jd Vance, memoir, he’ll be
Speaker 7: Factual claims without citation. Mh. At 1 point, he says that you can’t rely on surveys about how much people are working because working class people lie about how much they work.
Speaker 20: Huge
Speaker 7: And then later he refers to a ground breaking study event.
Speaker 16: Hey, man. Just sitting here making pinto beans and ham, waiting for it to be done, and Was just listening to you. What a treat?
Speaker 0: Thanks, Brian.
Speaker 16: I just wanted to… You were talking about women earlier. That’s a constant thing like, like something that gets stuck in the bottom of our shoes sometimes. So I was just wanting if I could rant. For a minute or 2.
Speaker 0: Sure. Go ahead.
Speaker 16: Dating a 10, damn was damn near impossible for I I noticed somewhere in your past that you had picked up you were talking about the glory days earlier.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 16: And I know you had picked up a porn star. Now, I don’t know if she was top 10, top 100 or whatever, but she was definitely gonna probably bring the kind of problems that I would like, describe to you a little bit. My, cannibal my… I’ve had some cannabis today. So I probably won’t be able to describe it as as best as I should.
But It’s just hard man because the whole world knows, she’s a 10. You can’t hide it. Even I think if you put her in a damn igloo somewhere in Alaska, she’s just gonna draw men in, like flies because she’s a 10, and she can be the most loyal woman in the world, but it’s… It makes it very tough. Did you run into this?
Would any of the women that you dated?
Speaker 0: Yes. Because, I mean, just the the more formidable, alright, The more valuable, the woman you date. Alright. The more competitors you gotta have for her.
Speaker 16: Right. I mean, unless know I was a young man, when I when I found this out… Hard, , because there I was with a 10. You you better have a castle and a moat hardware with some alligator, ? And lots of shiny things to keep her keep her occupied.
Am I saying anything that you can understand here?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, and this is true. I mean, even in orthodox Judaism. If you marry a hot life. She is going to make more demands on you than if you marry a home wife.
Speaker 16: And and it’s and it strange thing. But she deserves it. She
Speaker 0: deserves Yes. Just as a man who is highly successful. Is going to be have to make more demands on his wife than man who was less successful.
Speaker 16: Her beauty not only gives the young guys a hard own, but it transcend generations. You give what I’m saying? You’ve got competition with a 49 or 53 year old guy for your 19 year old gal. And he’ll give her the moon. And you you don’t have…
You don’t have that in your back pocket. But he’s got it. He what I’m saying? So it’s just it’s it’s so hard. It’s so hard.
And there again, even a 10 to the eye, is not gonna be a 10, , on the inside. She’s probably gonna have things that were… That that she’s better than you expected and some things like when the 10 and I ran across was a hopeless, like, romantic, and she’d come… I’d come home after a hard day, and there would be, like, rose petals leading into the bathroom and flowers and a en album plan in the background and all this romantic stuff, and, , I’ve been having a plaster of smile on my face, being mister businessman man all day long. And here I have come home with Now I gotta play another role.
I just wanted to decompress. I just wanted to relax. And just something as simple as at the time, I would like to sit there on much home team sports. And watch my Baltimore tutorials play baseball, and that was the way I wanted to decompress. But even those who few hours of the day.
Damn, Luke, you had to devote 90 percent of that to her too. Because she deserved it. She had been coop up in house all day. what I’m saying?
Speaker 0: Yes. Yes. Yes. My dad would say, nothing for nothing in very little for 6 spins. Alright?
There is… There are demands that come with dating and relating to high status women.
Speaker 16: I saw that everybody on Chattanooga monitor, I I took a job and in a place called Greens, North Carolina. , thinking something might change. Flopped her down at a place called Harris Teeter or a grocery store and inside of 2 weeks. She had had candy given tour and and cards and Guy brought flowers to, and you can’t blame them. They got a 10 on 9 7.
They’re gonna do it every time. ? So the
Speaker 0: and I possibly to be lazy. Like I I put tremendous energy into these shows. And preparing these shows and writing my essays. And so I tend to skim on often are many other areas of my life and even when I was prom, I never put much effort into it. But, I I’ve rarely been willing to put much effort into dating and relating, and that has shrunk the the pool of available women to me.
I I was just not willing to to date a miss world. For example, a French tried set me up with a miss road an actress in Mu holland Drive. And honestly, I just didn’t wanna put the effort in.
Speaker 16: U. Yes. And and it’s… That you gotta be a superman. You gotta be that Uber.
what I mean you really do because her mama and daddy, , when she calls home, they’re gonna remind her, she’s the b’s knees and deserves everything. So I don’t know. The whole thing, in the indiana end, it was is… It was un understandable. So, I just wanted to get that off my chest.
You could see that’s something that I believe that was, like, 19 93 or something like that, but that was a hard year because, looking back, you Man, the smart thing to do maybe just would have been to, like, put it put the ring on her finger and just try to ride that Pony all the way. But my gosh, because she was, She was fiercely loyal, but she was other things and for some reason, I was gonna be the thing lost. what I mean? I was gonna be the thing that that got lost just trying to follow this dream because on 1 hand, I never thought I deserved this 10. , What what the heck that you see in me.
So that part makes you wanna, like, jump through the hoops and all that, but there comes a time when you’re like, wait a minute. This is never gonna end. This never ends unless she gets to a horrible dis configuring car accident loop.
Speaker 0: That’s true. On the other hand, kip, they’re they’re higher functioning people and less functioning people and higher functioning people use opportunities. Like, an astounding amazing woman to become higher functioning to develop in themselves, higher level of production and capability and self discipline and empathy. And so some people use these stimuli to develop themselves, and then other people are not willing to put in the work. But but for some men, this challenge makes them better men.
Speaker 16: Right. Well, I I can tell you with me, it was the combination of her and a new job. I had a situation that I never had before since, which is, man I would have to pee. And there would be, like, you would either find a bathroom in the next 30 seconds, or you’d be peeing on yourself, man, I’m asking embarrassing to say to you and there, about, your 10 cult members. But that was something that…
It I don’t know if it was the stress of trying to deal with the 10, or I don’t know if it was stress of trying to deal with the job, but it actually manifested 1 of those 2 things or the both of those 2 2 things manifested the about that 1 of the only health problems I’ve ever had in my life.
Speaker 0: Way have the… I’ve had the same thing. When… The more pressure I get under the less the less, , urine build I can handle or without having to make it to to to the bathroom. Like, if I have to to embark on on a a challenge, , I need to go to the bathroom first,
Speaker 16: Man. Yes. And and and along the same vein, oh, I wouldn’t call this girl project because I I would just say in general, now and we’re just talking about in women in general. A young man thinks he can, like, take on a project. Anthony Anthony K was 1 of these.
He always had like, a woman who had daddy issues. He would always pick that 1 out of the room, and that would be the 1 he would go for. But I learned as at a young age, if it’s something you gotta break out the saw to fix, don’t don’t even try. If it’s something you could just use the sandpaper to to brush away some rough edges or whatever. That’s 1 that’s the 1 you wanna put the effort in, but you can’t do.
You can’t change them more than 10 percent because you wouldn’t appreciate them won’t to change you more than 10 percent. You agree with that. You agree sometimes people take down projects that they really can’t fix do they think they can fix?
Speaker 0: I I think that’s a self flattering description is what I think is really going on that the desire to rescue? Do and the desire to be rescued come from the same sick place. That no matter what’s going on, we can never date and relate to anyone who is substantially more or less mature than our ourselves. So whoever you end up dating and relating to is a mirror image of yourself. Because if you’re are a little more mature than her, you could stand to be in a relationship with her.
And if you’re less mature than her, she cannot stand being in a relationship to you. So I think it’s a very self flattering description that, Anthony Ka is giving there. What’s really going on. Is that his dysfunction level is matching her dysfunction level. Only he is understanding his dysfunction in a noble sense that he wants to take her on as a project, but it’s self flattering.
What’s really going on is that she is revealing. His level of dysfunction, and he doesn’t wanna face up to it. He just wants to put all the blame on her.
Speaker 16: You’re right. You’re right. In fact, I could not ever relate. To girls with daddy issues. what I mean?
They’re un… It’s un… It’s just specifically, it’s un unrelated, and the 1 girl that did have daddy issues. I don’t remember she would do strange, things like, put a pillow over me in the living room with people around and start jerk me off. I mean, strange, things just because she had equated love to, like, let’s go in the bedroom and take care of this right now.
And for some reason, that meant, that meant like love. That meant that equated to all forms of love or whatever. So, there again, that was like my only Tom ever dating a nip fo man and guys think like, ma’am. Would a dream come true nip fo man, and I was… I would be, like, be beware what you wish for there, buddy.
Unless you’re a machine unless you yourself or an info act, you don’t want know part of that because they start.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Awesome. Even women who attends, you show me any 10, and I’ll I’ll show you a guys tired of having sex with her. Even with a 10. 2 months into a sexual relationship, your sexual desire for her is gonna be 50 percent of what it was at the beginning.
Also, most women who are sexually wired tend to be crazy outside of the bedroom. I I can think of of 1 particular exception in my life where I I dated very high functioning executive, and she was wild in the bedroom and and also very effective and highly accomplished in the real world, but usually craziness in the bedroom equates with the craziness outside the bedroom.
Speaker 16: Right. Right. Anne and and just outlandish behavior in general. You get what I’m saying? That she’ll put you in positions, you never fathom you’d ever been in before.
? So you’re always uncharted waters going, what the fuck? And the common denominator gets back to her fucking daddy issues or whatever it is.
Speaker 0: What do you think about the idea that that dysfunction that you’re just describing? Is also putting up a mirror to your own dysfunction because only if you’re were equally dysfunctional, would she be in your life?
Speaker 16: I don’t know. Because I’m the… I… The 1 I’m I’m specifically relating to in my mind here is the 1 that had the daddy issues and and III found out early on. You don’t wanna know part of that, because she…
I had been corrupted as a youth than I had gotten better, but she was a… She… I saw her as a actually a corrupting influence. But to speak more to what you’re saying though, it’s… It’s a strange dichotomy, but it really, I want 2 things out of a woman, and maybe they can’t be both of that.
But what I want is an angel. To raise my children, and then this tempt that’ll raise my loin because at the end of the day, I’m more of a meat and potatoes guy So I need a woman that’s 1 to put on the lingerie or whatever, , to to spark me to spark me in that way. So But also, I want this other woman, this angelic thing that I need to raise my kids. You see that’s that’s asking a lot out of mid.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And it is fu on the impossible. It’s like a saying in in Jewish life. I wanna marry a playboy play made his studies Tal. There aren’t many playboy play to study timer.
But what you will always find is someone is pretty much your mirror image. So almost everyone, In a relationship. Thinks that they’re so much more mature than their partner and it’s their partner who’s damaged, but really, your partner just a mirrored image of yourself So during my periods of prom or even during my relationships,
Speaker 17: I
Speaker 0: was always getting a mirror image of myself. When I went to a party and I’m met a woman, and I started dating her. I was always zoning in on someone who was at pretty much the same level of dysfunction as myself. Right? I I never managed to have a whole series of dates with women who are higher functioning than myself.
Very early on if they were high functioning than I was, They would see that, and they would not go for a second date.
Speaker 16: Right? I wanted them sexy, but I also wanted them classy. But I also wanted them smart. And. And what I Getting is a lot of smart, and I ended up with lean towards Smart, they they they definitely, what I couldn’t deal with, what I would…
What I ended up doing is steering clear of what I couldn’t deal with. And things I couldn’t do with that was a deal breaker would be like a flat chest woman. I could not deal with flat chest woman, like, a woman could have, like, a flat ass. That’s not a problem with me. She could have flat feet.
That’s not a problem with me, but she can’t be flat chest. That’s a problem. That’s a deal breaker.
Speaker 0: And flash chest… Flat chest women tend to be the most responsible. Right? Bigger breasted women, more built for loving than for mother. Yeah So the the bigger the the touch usually the crazy the woman.
Speaker 16: Right. I mean, in general, I look back at hub. My life time time has been, , a series of fuck ups. But early on, I look at the women game the same way as I look at the college game. I I did the Gi bill.
I should’ve have tracked right into college, But I didn’t. I went to be an entrepreneur and got right into finance. Because I didn’t wanna to be pigeon hold in the 1 college career. You gotta pick 1 thing, and I had already seen in the marines when they put you on 1 thing, I was sick of sick of those damn software machines. I won’t see another 1.
So I didn’t know the 1 thing I wanted to be, and that was the same thing with women. Was probably… I had, like, probably 4 that wanted to marry me. But I was the I was thinking well, the perfect 1 is just right around the corner. I better keep my options open.
I better just…
Speaker 0: Let let me ask you a question there. So which of these 2 has most characterized your life, follow your bliss or do your duty?
Speaker 16: I mean, I love Joseph Campbell, but I feel like there’s… I’m more… There is a duty. I… On 1 hand, I bring my own meeting to life because I know what you’re saying there, but I also feel like I have a duty.
See my mom and my dad’s still alive, so I still have duties there. So a little of both?
Speaker 0: Right. Right. But what everything that you’ve described so far prior to the last 30 seconds has been followed your bliss.
Speaker 17: Mh.
Speaker 16: Well I I’m a follower year bliss guy. Yeah. So I am. I am I am in that regard. Of, so I’m not like a I was never super religious guy.
I had I had ran. I had checked on all that stuff. And when I saw nobody was kicking the tires. Nobody was making any any legitimate cases to any of that stuff. So what a shock out it was to me when I became Abu buddha, sorta, , a mystic, an aesthetic person in 2007 because I didn’t even suspected it all.
But I’ve kinda gotten a little bit away from my point. I just wanna tell you 1 more point about women and that is that I don’t know. Somewhere between this the suffrage jets and the flap, we kinda unleashed what you might might wanna call Western femininity entity, and no, you, I think it’s been a disaster. And someday, they’ll be veil again. what I mean?
Because we’ll see the error in our ways. I wish it could be dialed back, but for some reason, when these things gonna unleash. They just get all the way unleashed. ?
Speaker 17: And and
Speaker 16: then like, a rubber band, it just swings back too far the other way. So you got any thoughts on that. I just… I’d like to hear your opinion if you got them.
Speaker 0: Well, we we have steadily marched towards more and more rights for for women, more and more feminism. So even though there have been turns towards tradition, over over overall, the the more liberal feminist perspective has increasingly been winning in the first world.
Speaker 16: Right. And you’d say like. I’m not just talking specifically, like products, or I’m talking about, like, concepts and jobs and what we might call the Hr society that we all live in now. I mean, that’s shit. That’s shit.
I I felt like it just came along like in 19 90 when I got all the marines. And to me it didn’t feel like a fe of society at the time so much as like, It felt like a, I could see that the Hr lady she cared first and foremost about the owner and covering his ass. And insurance liability. And those type of things. And then this thing about women at that time, I mean, I just kinda thought it was it was just part of covering his ass is making sure women ain’t gonna bitch and get him in a lawsuit.
But you need… But but looking back now, I think it was just a whole civilization of society, I look back and I go that faust and spirit that men once had It’s long gone. How’s it ever gonna come back. Now that we live in this Hr society. I don’t know.
Speaker 0: The purpose of Hr is to protect? Employers it’s not to protect the interests of workers, but I gonna I’m gonna move on kip, but great to talk to you man.
Speaker 16: Thank you, sir. Bye bye.
Speaker 0: Take care. Alright. Steven James, jump on the show if you can.
Speaker 7: About upward mobility in America, but he doesn’t cite. Either 1. And I don’t think he’s lying about them. I just think he’s immune to the hard work of sight.
Speaker 19: Okay. Yeah
Speaker 0: What’s Get a little
Speaker 7: bit big picture here. I don’t wanna…
Speaker 19: Oh, Luke, there’s panic on the streets of London. Panic on the streets of Birmingham. I wondered to myself, could life ever be saying again, Luke.
Speaker 0: Yes. It life can be sane. Again, I don’t think 10 years is from now. We’ll be talking a great deal about these riots? But what do you think of the significance like, my opposition without knowing much about what’s going on.
Is that anyone with anything to lose is not participating in these riots that only marginalized losers are participating in these riots. I find it hard to imagine the Ceos that, men with children and and spouses that they wanna to protect with mortgages are out there participating in the riots, And I don’t think Phds participating in the riots, and I don’t think people earning a million pounds a year of participating in the riots, And I don’t think people who build up a good life participating in the riots. My sup opposition is that these are overwhelmingly losers participating in self destructive behavior.
Speaker 19: Well, you your assessment is probably correct. But look, it is an inflection point. That’s happened here in the Uk. And there is something significant about this that’s happened that I think look… I’m tempted to go down your analysis.
I’m tempted to go along with, like, colin Led analysis that these things are like. Fizz out and stuff like that, but these things… The situation really has been building incrementally in the Uk. For about now, say 5 years since this country struggled with the problem of stopping these young men who traveling here on boats, arriving on the shores of the country, and it started in the tens of thousands, and now it’s in the hundreds of thousands per year. And because they can’t all go to 1 place, they’re being burst into local areas all across the country.
And around a couple of years ago, the problem of the fact that that local hotels were being filled with these people began to become become known amongst amongst the chatter classes amongst the normal people. And now there’s it it’s spoken about on normally Facebook. It’s spoken about with amongst boomers. Everybody’s aware and each local area has its own issues. And so this has been a problem that’s been simmering along.
And, then you have people are ins indicators who are, of this kind of sentiment like your Tommy Robinson type who take advantage. Of these issues and of, say certainly, this summer been calling for his his ins integrator to go down to London on March. And then 1 week ago is last Monday, there was sort of mass stabbing event of children, in a in a local area, north of liverpool, by the son, the young son of immigrants, and it couldn’t be darker, I mean, this was a a black rwanda, young male. Who’s just butcher 11 children. Girls, and a dance class.
A taylor themes, a a taylor swift themed Dance class. 3 dead under 10 years old, couldn’t miss darker, and like by Friday, by Friday, I believed groups organically or of probably like yours, like your assessment is correct. People who haven’t got anything else better to do or anything else to lose. Are going out and kicking off, but it did start in my opinion. I mean it could be wrong like this organically in the local area of where it happened.
That was a vigil going on where it happened, and it’s full of scouts. Full of liverpool people. They’re they’re a lot of irish heritage, deliver put. They quick quick to anger, quick to fire fire back. They have a history of not getting along with the police, a history of poverty, things kicked off in the local area, the police came in, history of hating the police, and Brick started to be thrown at the police and then, Saturday, protests developed in other place around around the country and today, they’re continuing.
So that’s where we stand.
Speaker 0: And what what are the potential outcomes Did you see any… Potential possibilities resulting from these riots.
Speaker 19: So… The potential outcomes, certain… Well, certain certainly, the ones that I can be certain about are crackdown downs on people who are. Against willing to speak out against the illegal immigration and that. In the first instance, the prime minister, We have to also be aware.
We have a new prime minister, new labor government, only 4 weeks old. Who’s look who’s looked incredibly weak by the way. He’s he didn’t show his face yesterday. I know you’ve spoken about in the past how how Joe Biden appeared weak. The prime minister of the Uk didn’t even release a statement yesterday whilst there were, riot.
Around the country. And I know it’s easy to dismiss these things, but it is quite it’s unprecedented in my lifetime, at least, me me hearing about this happening. He’s come out now. And, of course, he’s doubling down on that these are illegal riots people gonna throw the book at these people. There’s no question about it, but the issue is, Luke.
He’s in a way, he’s thrown some gasoline on the fire. Because these people already were angry. They were already fighting on the streets. They were already smashing things up, these people aren’t the type of people who kind of listen to reason, and he he he had no. There was there no sense or whatsoever of that there is no tone.
There is no cons tone. From the government or prime minister as yet, and it stands in complete contrast to when the the black lives matter Riots started for instance. There there is this hashtag trending now called 2 tier tier, 2 tier kia star, because there is this widely held belief within the United Kingdom, that if you’re an ethnic minority you are treated 1 way, which is the police will let you off, the police will look the other way. You’ll get away with a lot of stuff, you’ll get away with crimes even. But if you’re a white, English person who generally follows the law, then, you’ll be, immediately arrested and have the book thrown at you.
And so there’s this widely held belief that there is a 2 tier policing system here in the Uk, and like, the actions is the response from the prime minister and the government sofa far has only been to heap fuel like upon that fire. Because at the same time, there are, Muslim gangs forming in, areas in the Uk, doing Muslim Petroleum. I mean if you look at… And I think Andy Ng, on Twitter. I’ve been covering some of this.
There’s Muslim gangs who formed in in the Uk, and there’s with evidence or the the there’s video evidence of the police like speaking to them in a softly way and telling them telling them on camera look, discard your weapons in the mosque and we’re here to protect you, but discard your weapons in the mosque so that, you don’t get caught with them, and the prime minister is coming out and just only naming the anti migrant protests, the that he’s calling everybody far ride, that their nazis is. So we’re at an inflection point, basically the luke
Speaker 0: that Right. And I without really knowing much about these riots. I I see that the only possible outcome is increased government rep suppression of speech and more stigma amortization of these right wing groups and there will be a systematic, high tech, effective lynch of the people who participated in these riots, that they’ll have there.
Speaker 19: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Lies ruined and consequently, people will respond to incentives and be less likely to that to join such movement. So I I… The only outcome that I can I can fathom is the government crusher they’re movement? So when you say an inflection point, I think you seem to be implying that there are other possibilities than what I just outlined.
Speaker 19: So, I mean, the black lives matter thing. Would anybody have expected that the government… With Ac. To… Look, by the…
I know you must Like, I’m I’m fan. I’m I’m fan in thinking that there is any other possible outcome, than absolute on these protests. And you’re right that that is a response to the government. That is where they’re going, if they’ve doubled down on it just a couple of hours ago. But Luke, the prop the protests haven’t stopped yet.
Okay. That in fact, they’ve inflamed even more so since the prime minister came out a few hours ago. I’ve been speaking to somebody who’s been out onto the ground in 1 of the areas. He says that these lads who are, like, operating on the streets. They.
Hunt Zuma. They have their faces covered, They are actually organized in a way that you want to expect. They are really They’re they’re up for it. They’re angry, and they don’t care. And Here’s here’s what’s likely to happen, is if the police can’t get a hold of it, then the army might have to come out onto the streets and that would be on unparalleled.
That would be unprecedented. And because we we’re only 4 weeks into a labor government politically, this could be destabilizing for the government. I mean, it’s like for 4 weeks into into a government for, to end up having to call the army out on the streets because you are unable to, like, get a hold of this, quickly, could be politically destabilizing. I’m not sure. But all I’m trying to say is that we are at a point here in the Uk where there are communities who are poverty stricken.
They are being filled with migrants. There is this phenomenon that is a real real phenomenon of hotels who are housing, largely African men who in on masse in hotels within communities, And it… These are the areas that I’ll be becoming the flash points. Like, there’s 1 in Roth room, large holiday inn hotel, today were surrounded, and siege by hundreds of people. And outside there, there were as well as thugs and gangs, of course, doing most of the stuff.
There were lots and lots of local people who really have had enough so Yes, There will be a a backlash now. The police will get lots of these people. But part of the deal here in the Uk, that the laws aren’t actually very tough. So it’s not like all these people will go to prison immediately they’re probably used to this kind of in and out of the police station business. And I predict that this this will continue actually for I know a few weekends at least.
This is what I’m expecting.
Speaker 0: So if this were a Muslim or a a black uprising, you’d have mh. Large number of articles in the news media, talking about the the oppression that these people have suffered, and that’s what’s, given rise to to this rioting. How much sympathy is shown for the riot in the Mainstream media in the Uk.
Speaker 19: 0, of course. And it and I mean, no nobody here in the Uk, of course, wants riots, nobody. And and I get your point… Your point is… That like…
But but also, I’m not explain myself it. I’m trying to say, I get your point that the media really is important, but also part of what you say is that you think that the media actually controls people’s like deeply held beliefs only 0.1 percent or something or less than that So you have to understand that there really is deeply held, in these communities where these migrant centers. Have been held. I mean, this isn’t the only inflection point that we’ve had, but it’s the only 1 that’s really kind of turned to violence in multiple areas like, in the in in a flash panel, due to an incident. And so It’s hard to predict where this is going where this is going, but you’re right, there is 0 sympathy in the media for them.
These people are portrayed as thugs. The average person on the street doesn’t agree with it. But they also know deep down in their belly, why it’s going, why why it’s happened, which is different, why happened. And, yeah. I I don’t know.
I don’t know what what else to say to be honest, Luke, it’s hard.
Speaker 0: Well, you you’d know of Enoch Powell and his rivers of blood speech and and in reaction to that. He had the overwhelming sympathy of the British people. And he had almost complete opposition from the elites, and the elites absolutely crushed him and the the nascent movement that grew up around him. So what would you say the chances that this leads to the fall of the government
Speaker 19: Os slim, 5 5 or 10 percent.
Speaker 0: Well 10 That’s significant. I mean, that if if it’s even 1 percent, that’s significant.
Speaker 19: I just think I just think we could be seeing that they might really have misha the situation. This narrative that there is 2 tier policing is actually a correct 1 in many ways. So If they can’t get a whole the get handle on this quickly, then it will get out, it will get out of control. So if the army has to be brought onto the streets, then, I mean, I mean, what… But it’s hard it’s hard for me to give you an assessment, but this this is what I’m saying.
I see Colin Lid in the chat as well. He also obviously thinks it’s… Kind of insignificant. And I feel without being able to express it clearly that I I feel like there is something different about this. And I don’t doubt like it’s…
That it will… Be repressed by the government that 90 percent chance, 95 percent chance is that they will get a handle on it, they will lock these people up, and they will fizz out. But the Uk is always 1 or 2 incidents now away from these kinds of flaring up incidents. And what happens in a month’s time , when there’s another manchester arena bombing of children or God forbid, or or something like it aren’t again. Children being slaughtered by another African migrant.
I mean, your you either believe that the British people will take it forever and that there will be no consequences to this. Or that at some point, like some eggs are gonna get broken in a very messy way. Like, it’s not what anybody wants nobody actually wants this, who is, like, law abiding, who is ups outstanding who, like, just, , wants their normal life, but would like a few, , a a little less illegal immigration, please. This isn’t what anybody wants. Nobody wants the plea to get tricked, but kind also aware that when when when like an, a revolt against it happens.
It is the it is the people of nothing to lose, who kind of stand up against it who do, lead the charges on the streets who who who are the crazy ones. And and and when it happens, it’s not how you wanted it to happen it’s a messy process and, like I say, a lot of eggs get broke in the process.
Speaker 0: I Thinking you so many analog to this, but but what philosophical principle is that which cannot continue. Will not continue and what can I continue? Are the astronomical rates of immigration into the United Kingdom. That cannot I continue whether you got a left wing government, or p right wing government. The the amount of immigration that the United Kingdom has absorbed over the past 27 years is unsustainable.
And everyone’s going to respond to incentives And and this has gotta feel like a punch in the face for the British government. And even if they don’t agree with the riot. They, in inevitably, gonna take away some lessons that they don’t wanna get punched in the face like this again, and this may well have a an immigration restriction outcome.
Speaker 19: Yeah. So I mean, and, of course, that would be, that would be the smart political play to make whilst not too, tolerate, not to excuse any of the criminal violence. Okay, which nobody in Britain wants, nobody here wants police , the police attacked. Yeah. They don’t even want.
Mosques to be, , slightly damaged in in the process, nobody. Actually wants any of this. They just want a political resolution to like even just illegal immigration. I mean, the over to window doesn’t even have to stretch to mass mass legal migration. Just the illegal stuff, which is out of hand.
I mean, it’s easy for people in this, like, in the just that right us how. The illegal immigration doesn’t matter. It’s… This is like a red herring and the legal migration is what matters. They’re right about that.
But here in the Uk on this small island of, like, 70000000 people, right, a hundred thousand, illegal immigrants from the continent of Africa who are amongst the worst people, being bust into local communities everywhere around the country really is having a stark shocking impact, and I mean, it is only mount… It is only matter of time before I think. They have to get a grip on this. And so look, there was there was a police commissioner today, Luke. I think it’s…
She’s the 1 of the highest ranking in the Uk who released
Speaker 0: She Lesbian?
Speaker 19: You don’t know. I don’t know, but she did release a statement today where she acknowledged that there are issues. That have like to be politically addressed, and she took that statement down within hours Okay. Her name is Donna Jones. She’s the chair of the associated Police Crime commissioners.
For Hampshire, which is down London and the isle of white. And she acknowledged, like the issue. And basically said that the government needs to address I this… The sentiment of the people, who are even though that the writing is bad, , nobody nobody agrees with it, the government has to address the real concerns of the people on the streets that are behind it, but the prime minister has come out today un declared again he’s doubled down that it doesn’t matter why people are out there doing it. Obviously, that…
, they’re… These people are just criminals and it’s got to stop. So
Speaker 0: Now if that if these riders get increasing elite support. Alright. This woman is part of the elite. I just looked her up. She does have a substantial position and that she was brave up to say this publicly at a certain point, a dam will burst because what these writers…
Are furious about has reality. It… It’s not just some fictional construct. And so Yeah. At at a certain point, the damn will burst, and there will be more more expressions such as what Donna Jones made.
By elites
Speaker 19: Yes. Yes. Exactly. And by the way, just so that you can see that that number… I sent you on Dm.
The tweet that she she put out. So it’s not a fake or anything. She put this tweet out, and I mean, I can alter those…
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I found articles anyone can just Google Donna jones Commissioner and… They’ll fine. What what we’re talking about. It’s easy to see.
And I would suspect that large number of the elite do feel the same way but they are not willing to suffer the consequences of publicly expressing what what they see, but at a certain point, the the pressures to be civil, again, to be overwhelmed by the pressure to tell the truth. And and it is possible at at a certain level of intensity, you’ll have more and more of the elite. Come forward with similar expressions to what she put out there.
Speaker 19: Yeah. So… If the government don’t do something to curb the problem and these riots continue, I mean, I don’t see where else this is going. I don’t see where else this is going, except being politically destabilizing. So we’ll have to we’ll have to see.
We’ll have to see see what happens. Yeah. I know that much else same
Speaker 0: Yeah. What what are the odds that These writers are more intense about what they’re doing than their football allegiance.
Speaker 19: What do you mean by that?
Speaker 0: Well, Colin Is making the argument in the chat that once football season starts. That they’ll have other concerns. I I know for for many to correct me if I’m wrong, but for many British man, their number 1 allegiance is to a particular football club, not to any brand or politics or even nationalism.
Speaker 19: Yeah. Look, I mean, I’m tempted as well to be just as cynical as colin about this entire thing. I really am. Just and well, , it’s not a bad bet to make. 90 percent chance, this will fizz out, the government will get control.
All I’m saying is there’s there’s something in the air here that feels different that really does feel different and the way that we’ve seen mu gangs come out onto the streets, , certainly yesterday and today, I think it’s also been happening versus white people, these aren’t free race riots that that have that have kicked off white versus ethnic minority. And this is something that’s hard to put back into the bot once it’s out that. Now if you believe like that the the football Organs just like a fight. They like 5 pint in a fight. Well, now they’ve tasted like the blood, in some in some cases literally and also metaphorically of a different kind of a fight.
There were scenes in Belfast yesterday, Luke of Irish Republicans, joining arms with Ul union, and marching against illegal immigration in in Northern Ireland, which is
Speaker 23: unheard of.
Speaker 19: That’s never happened before that this everybody’s absolutely shocked that this , it’s even a thing even a possibility. So it feels different. That that’s that’s all I can say. It it feels different this time.
Speaker 0: Yeah III believe you. That there that there does seem to be something different about this. And it’s the first time that I can recall in in recent years where the white population has reacted with such intense rioting. I can’t think of anything else similar to this in the first war.
Speaker 19: Yeah. And I have been watching lots of of these live streams it’s now there’s… What’s different as well because we’re in inter modern is whenever these things could go, if there’s somebody with there with the phone, live streaming on the Youtube. So I have been looking at many of these watching them. And they are…
The violence is being done, by by small, but not not super small, a sizable majority in each area, but a small minority, and then following those people are unlike the periphery, what I would say, are, like, 10 times, 15 times, 20 times, that number of normal people, boomers, women, even , women and children, and so it it’s as if It’s as if, , they’re just like watching the the violence and the disorder go on. But it’s as if like there is a greater cause that they’re therefore. And yes, some people are breaking some eggs and everybody nobody wants it, and they are looking on a gas at it, but they’re also there in support of, like, the the greater premise for why they were out there in the first place. If I’m making any sense at all.
Speaker 0: I don’t know if you pay it Yes. You you make very good sense. There’s an interesting tweet here. Bbc. Cuts off former detective chief superintendent of the met when he starts dropping truth bombs.
So I don’t know if you pay much attention to how the Bbc is covering this.
Speaker 19: Well, I haven’t looked to the Bbc today. Obviously, I mean the meter is just absolutely in full condemnation mode. So you’re not going to see anything. On the mainstream media about this. Calling with LSJ1 where there are no riots in the south well, I mean, the cynical, I think the cynical, take on this that I’ve seen calling it…
And I love colin. So , we can disagree down again, and he’ll end up probably being right in the outcome. So it’s all good and fair. The cynical take is well, look. My take is that the the northern areas are deprived.
Okay. The northern areas are like the labor heartland that have suffered poverty and and and deprivation and other traditional white working class areas that have like mine, I live personally in 1 of the most deprived areas in the United Kingdom. So I live in a former mining town, here on the outskirts of a city in the Uk, and it’s in, I think might the something like the, bottom 5 percent or or 5 to 10 percent of the 1 of the most deprived areas. 10 years ago, something In the area, I hadn’t seen… And there’s gonna sound crazy.
I hadn’t even seen a black man. Okay? Who Lived here. Maybe passing through. Or.
Make a delivery driver I I’ve maybe seen. But as in living here, I hadn’t even seen it. Now there are gangs of young, African men who roam the streets. If I want to go to the bus station, I have to go through gangs of them like 20 deep, smoking gan, outside the bus station outside the train station, The town has been transformed massively. And on top of that, all the hotels in the local area, are essentially full of these people, and there are cases and cases of, like, women being harassed of incidents with children.
And So just knowing this on a local level that this looks like a simmering problem. That everyone that you speak to speaks about it. The boomers are aware of it, the in… The norm that you wouldn’t think about speak about it on Facebook. Knowing this, first firsthand my local area.
I can imagine that this is the case in lots of the other. Similarly deprived areas that they’ve gone through rapid, racial, and therefore cultural transformation, in in, like, the last particular 5 years. It’s particular start since Covid for whatever whatever reason. And so that’s my take on why why it’s why it’s not in the south. It’s it’s mainly in the north.
These are these are in the really deprived areas. And and it… Yeah. People have had enough, and they’ve got no money, so they might as well right?
Speaker 0: It here’s another analogy. I didn’t know what you’re. Life experiences is like. But when I have heard somebody unnecessarily, and they react with anger, they rarely react in the most rational way. They they’re just filled with rage and it just pause out of them.
It they don’t present a , a rational, usually a irrational case. And when people are angry, that they tend not to react, in the most measured and rational terms. And so this is 1 way that I understand these these writers they just a switch has flipped in their head. And just because they’re not presenting a 15 point a rationally argued thesis, Does not mean that the concerns that they’re addressing are not real.
Speaker 19: No. They’re normal people. I mean, on local levels that aren’t reported, there have been incidents, Like, at these asylum centers at these hotels. And eat… Probably in each of the local area.
Again I know in my local area, there have been, like, police incidents at these hotels, Like, there’s been girls raped outside, and therefore, what’s happening. , in the local areas, it’s known that it’s a migrant that’s done it. And therefore locals have turned out in response to these areas, police have turned up, and they’ve turned into, like gatherings and then they’ve been. Quite… Somehow control has been gotten over.
It hasn’t gotten much further. I’m speaking about my local. I know that this has happened for a fact. A number of times here just in my local town. So these aren’t what you what we’re seeing on the wider level?
I can see how they’ve played out this weekend. If I’m aware of incidents like that that have happened. Now on the back of it, what’ll will have happened is in in the areas where these incidents have happened probably multiple times, and they have the largest collection. Of some of the worst type of these offenders. So like perhaps, we saw have seen today in Roth, There was a particularly large gathering.
And again, , for the British security though. It says who might listen to this, I’m not ex ex it, and I’m not condo compounding it. I’m trying to understand how they’ve happened. But so like we saw today in Ro, a very large gathering that… Descended really kind of…
It’s… Be they besieged a holiday inn, a huge hotel in Roth room, and right police had to prevent them from torch it to the ground, essentially. They tried. They set it on fire. So I can imagine that this has happened because there’s been multiple incidents at that place.
And there’s been multiple turnout outs that that in the past have been quell by and haven’t gone anywhere over the last like 5 years. And now in response to this stabbing that happened, and the, like, the rising up in other areas, everybody’s turned out because, like, they’ve they’ve done it before. They’ve been there before. It’s not so unfamiliar to them, but more people turned now, and then they saw more people going, and it all like it culminated. In something that isn’t so out of the ordinary in a way.
Am I making any sense?
Speaker 0: Yes. No. You you make very very strong sense. I I suspect that I don’t know 20 30, 50, 60 percent of the British public, thinks that these riot is patriots.
Speaker 19: I don’t think in a way, I I don’t think anybody likes. Note note in the Uk likes to see violence. Okay. So… But while what whilst they don’t like it.
I mean, in a way, you can understand you… You can have the understanding. You can have the understanding that in order for something to get done, a few eggs have to get the broken and that’s the only like idea I can think of here luke that kind of explains it and it’s… 1 of the interesting things have been to see lot a lot of, like the distant right, like academic agent and these people who effectively like, on a lower level. Effectively, like every day of their life like, calling for some kind of revolution in the Uk.
, they deny it that that’s what they’re doing. Whilst, , seeking their own g to g on people’s content, but really, this is like what they’re doing. But, like, the the first sign of it happening. They’re like, this isn’t what I wanted, and you’re… I like my response to that as well.
Of course, it isn’t. But how did you expect it to play out? I mean, if what you are doing is you are farming the lid… In many ways, the legitimate discontent of people, then how are you expecting it to play out? It’s going to play out?
In a messy way when it happens, and it’s not going be… Nobody’s going to come to, like, academic agent and so, I’ve I’ve heard , your store, your streams on ebola, and would you like , who we like you to take over now, sir, or anything, like this. It’s going to play out in a very messy way with like violent thugs who start breaking things I mean, it was always going to end up like this and lots of people. People who get der divided, for other other legitimate reasons like what’s his name, Douglas. Murray.
Murray. People like him. Have been warning like that thing, , like we’re coming to a pre here in the Uk. And in… , and and it’s going to get messy unless the government acknowledges that we’re coming to these, like pre, this pre is, and and it’s going to end messy.
That’s all I can say.
Speaker 0: Well, No. You the the the way society is organized right now. Mh. You cannot… You you cannot…
If you’ve got anything to lose support, , anti immigration without having your life ruined, Therefore, Mh. Only people with nothing to lose are going to support anti immigration. Therefore, you can’t expect them to have the same level of discipline that you would have if supporting anti immigration was more socially acceptable. So by ruling it out from the beginning that supporting a substantial increase in in stopping immigration by by ruling that out of polite society, By definition, you’re only gonna have imp people pushing this agenda.
Speaker 19: Yeah. You os size people and you create a a large fraction of society who feel that they aren’t being listened to. I mean, this is the this is a the… Isn’t this the beauty luke of, like, liberal politics that it makes people feel that they are heard. So…
And… And and you should it shouldn’t come to this. There should be… This sense that people have representation. And these kinds of events happen when communities boil up to the point where they feel utterly that they’re not heard and once more they are oppressed in a way that’s different to the the root, like, the other class of people who who are being brought into the country and given welfare, given benefit and police protections.
Like what 1 of the stark things I’ve told you that there’s this feeling that there’s a 2 tier police system, and there’s this hashtag trending, 2 too tier care. 1 of the things that the labor government has done since coming in is that they’ve warned everybody effectively that they’re going to put their taxes up. So they’ve they’ve declared they found a 22000000000 dot billion pounds black hole in the budget, So they… They’ve warned everybody in October, they’re going to basically be putting everybody’s taxes up. And they’ve taken away from old people in the winter.
This… What is known as a winter fuel allowance, basically, every old person in the country usually gets, I think it’s like, 3 or 400 pounds. Directly into their bank accounts, some sometime around around Christmas because old people used to be afraid of putting on the heating in winter and would die. So they won’t pay for their heating. So now, for years, the government has been giving open, that, well, let the labour party taking this away.
So in the in the couple of weeks of coming in 12 years, they’ve announced that they’re putting basically putting your tax up. And they’re taking winter fuel payments away from old people. But today, they’ve announced, emergency funding that they are have millions of pounds available to fund emergency security for Mosques in the country. So this is only pouring fuel onto the fire of these people. Who already believe.
They already have these opinions. These these normally people. They’re largely Npc, you might call them average person on the street who believe like that they are are in poverty the government doesn’t care about them. That they’re not represented in parliament that the government has forgotten about them, particularly in the north. There’s always been the north South divide that believe that right, There’s a different class of politician in in Westminster to who doesn’t care about the north.
That they’re unheard and and now that they’re like giving favors to the foreigners who… They’re housing in hotels and like, their their communities, their high streets are being turned over to. So high streets are being turned into, like, Islamic centers, literally un figuratively, like, churches are turning into mosques, Civic centers have been turned into, Islamic centers and education centers where all they do is teach a little bit of English and how to get benefits. Hotels again. I’ve turned into, like, freely holding asylum things.
There’s all these issues that local people feel like they’re really against the government and And the government as all has just said, we’re not giving you your winter for your money, but we do have the money, to give to the mosques. So.
Speaker 0: Yeah. This is a a fascinating story. I I wonder how much x plays a role here because x would not be nearly as way to open if Elon Musk didn’t didn’t buy it. Now you have You have a considerable free speech on x, and my timeline is 100 percent in favor of these or at least sympathetic to the the riot if not to, the exact nature of everything they’re doing.
Speaker 19: Yeah. Yeah. The I think it does have a part. Now, to be to be like, absolutely Kind of aware of what’s going on. I mean, I mean, I think we also have to ask ourselves, who But what am I trying to say, I’m also aware that when things like riots in the Uk happen, okay.
That foreign interest, for instance. Probably have have an interest in s these things up that that disrupting like these the the good working order of the United Kingdom is also in the interest of foreign entities. For instance, groups, I’m sure like in Russia or Iran or wherever China, I’m sure have an interest in destabilizing the Uk. And So I’m fully aware that whilst like this stuff goes on, that it’s been whipped up by accounts. Like, there’s lots of misinformation that’s gone around at the same time.
Initially, perhaps like the riots… The the the content in the country was whipped up, by potentially, some either Russian backed to I forget what it is. Some foreign linked accounts that were dropping, a Muslim name out there. For 3 days, we didn’t know who had slaughtered these girls. Okay.
Because the police wouldn’t release the name and 1 of these accounts that’s it’s had a busy ground or something. 1 of them that’s linked to some foreign state actor initially put out a name that was a Muslim name. And so I’m aware that this goes on. But… So what I’m trying to say is, this is, like a a problem with opening up something like x.
And I’m aware that the government sees this issue, and they’re right about the problematic nature of this in in, like, an orderly society. They look at this kind of thing and they say we can’t have just like random like which I effectively foreign agents able to whip up. I public public disorder through the issuance of disinformation in moments of crisis, like probably just happened, and and so there’s an argument for something not being so open as x. I mean, whether it’s a benefit and and it’s and this problem.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 19: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Right. It it it is it is nice. So for for those of us on on the right to be have to have a huge amount of free expression that’s available on x with with all the downsides. It’s it’s overwhelmingly. I I think, a blessing.
Because you see examples of reality that are gotta, , peers through the the lies that are provided by the medium by the elites.
Speaker 19: Yeah. That being said. I don’t know how many normal people are even on x to be honest they’re Luke. It really is.
Speaker 23: I mean, I don’t
Speaker 19: think they like to admit it. I think it used… It really used to be the platform of the Shit lives okay. Bad term, but it really was that. They loved it.
It was their platform, and all the… Because all the right wing discourse got removed from it. Obviously, it came back. But like the norm, it didn’t really penetrate to the norm. The norm talks on Facebook.
The zoom are on snapchat, and tiktok. Not even youtube largely. So I think it still remains actually x does remain detached. So you can think if you’re on x. Like that you have a real clear picture of discourse in the world you think.
Wow. I follow a range of, like, moderate accounts here, and… Wow. I’m getting this picture. , this unified picture therefore, I’m I’m seeing the truth, but you might not actually be.
Yeah, I don’t think the norm norm is on x. Yet.
Speaker 0: Right. But it’s the best place for following these riots. If they’re important to you, acts is the best place to be.
Speaker 19: Yes. It certainly is. Yeah. Similar the 1 for, I’ve seen the truth of the news. Absolutely.
I mean, lots of lots of the live streams are still done on or on Tiktok or on Youtube, but x is where the news is, but you also get like these accounts. I think the the term that’s going around from our swap accounts. You’ll know that the ones that are swap accounts, like end woken and even even like lives of tiktok who are just invested in just post posting like discontent, propaganda. Even if it… Even if it’s true that what their posting is true, So let nobody’s me send that make sense.
Speaker 0: There’s no first amendment protection in United Kingdom.
Speaker 19: No. There’s not. But that’s not the point Megan. I’m saying that there’s the swap accounts who basically farmed contentment, and so… Whilst it may be true, it may not be an accurate picture as to exactly what’s going on I in that
Speaker 0: Oh, definitely. The the point is that following the New York Times and the Bbc is not necessarily an inaccurate picture either.
Speaker 19: No. No. No. Yeah. You see it you see everything in real time.
I think you have to be really careful about who you are following on x. Like I say, my feeds are probably a lot less reliable than your feeds. Let’s put it… Let’s admit that much. I probably follow a lot of account to are less reliable sources and are more likely to feed me a diet of discontent propaganda because that’s like in their interest, like when riots kick off their accounts that like want to tell me to get out on the streets and this kind of thing.
Versus people being moderate about the situation. And that… And that is, yeah, That’s a choice about who you follow.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But even I I tried to be pretty… Use good judgment knew I followed, but even who I’m following virtually 100 percent. Express varying degrees of sympathy and empathy for the riders.
Speaker 19: Yeah. Would… And this is this is a gain where I say there’s something going on. I’ll like to use an nigel your. Phrase from the election, something is going on how out there.
Something is happening out there because This is just in stark contrast to the government who is absolutely like their thick ear. And they’re putting their fingers in their ears and going. La la la, you are bad people. Yes. Sick people and we’re gonna crush you.
So… Yeah. We’ll we’ll have to see how this plays out. Anyway, Luke I, I’m gonna have to run. Yep.
But, I’m glad to bring you up to speed. Thanks for me.
Speaker 0: Great. Great to talk to you.
Speaker 17: Alright. Cheers later.
Speaker 0: Cheers. Okay. This is times radio, production of times of.
Speaker 24: We’re taking at the moment, which is to say to those people who engage in this
Speaker 0: Right This is the United Kingdom policing minister.
Speaker 24: It’s criminal activity on our street that they will be held accountable is to deter them. To deter It’s
Speaker 25: not working is it?
Speaker 24: Doing this any anymore.
Speaker 25: It’s not working is it
Speaker 26: because we had it we had
Speaker 25: a situation where there was a meeting with the police chiefs. We then had the press… We then had the press conference And since then, we’ve had riots and disorder in 9 cities up and down the country. The the respectfully, again, I’d completely you see where you’re coming from, but it’s not working, is it?
Speaker 24: Well, can I just say this has all happened in the last few days? So we need to now take stock over the next day or so we need to see what happens today? We will, of course, be meeting on Monday. We will need to see what the picture is. What the intelligence picture is.
We need to look at the actual information available. To make decisions about what’s how we best then proceed. But at the moment, our focus is on dealing with these criminals arrested them, getting them into court, inter reminded if necessary, but dealing with them first and foremost.
Speaker 25: Minister 4 weeks in, have you lost control of the country?
Speaker 17: In
Speaker 24: No, look, we’ve had a really tragic week starting with that awful incident in South port on Monday. We’ve had some public order disorder this week, and that’s clearly causing lots of concern around the country, Can I just also say, I think the police who’ve had to deal with what happened in South poor on Monday and then deal with this public disorder during the rest of the week? Have done a remarkable job, and I want to pay tribute to those offices. And I also want to say that a number of them have been injured in the course of the a week, and our thought should be really with those officers doing their job, keeping our communities safe, and have found themselves injured
Speaker 25: And is it time, what what’s the government going to do?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Here’s another report protector
Speaker 25: have storm the holiday inn in Brothers, South Yorkshire? Where asylum seekers and immigrants are housed. Riot have smashed hotel windows and went inside the hotel after clashing the police at a rally outside the premises.
Speaker 27: This afternoon, after ugly scenes developed, and ugly scenes are developing outside hotel housing asylum seekers in Roth, where riot police are trying to contain the crowds, windows have been smashed and a fire has been started. Police have warned people to stay away from the center of Middle spur where some taxis have been smashed and businesses closed, and police are trying to disperse crowds in Bolton. More than 100 people have been arrested after demonstrations involving far right groups descended into disorder, in Hull, Liverpool, Bristol Manchester stoke on trent, Black and Belfast. Several police officers have been injured. Well the protests began after 3 young girls were killed in a stabbing attack in South bought last Monday.
And appear to have been fueled by misinformation on social media.
Speaker 0: Okay Question in the chat, luke. Why are the British elite… Encouraging and subs ever more levels of immigration. So it’s not because they hate britain. Right?
It’s not because they wanna hurt the working class, They genuinely believe this is what’s best for the country. If they do have some arguments on their side. I’m all for immigration restriction. But they think that they’re bringing in needed workers. They think that they are, demonstrating, Britain’s commitment to human rights.
So it… They’re not doing this to smash the country. Right. They’re doing this out of their liberal left world view that pre movement of of peoples is a good thing. I disagree with them, but that’s where they’re coming from.
Speaker 27: The prime minister Sa S has pledged to give police forces the government’s full support to take action against what he described. As extremist attempting to so hate. And the policing minister, Dame Diana Johnson told Times radio these…
Speaker 0: So if these were Muslim or writers of color, right, they wouldn’t be caught by the elites just trying to so hate. I suspect. Right? There’d be much more sympathy shown for their cause. But because these are white working class writers as the elite show the very little sympathy.
Speaker 27: Is causing Mayhem and disruption would be punished. Well, let’s head first to Liverpool and talk to the city’s Lord Mayor Richard kemp, good afternoon to you, Richard.
Speaker 28: Good afternoon.
Speaker 27: Just explain, what happened last night in Liverpool because it seems as though there were some pretty violent scenes.
Speaker 28: Well, there were 2 things happened in liverpool football yesterday. The first was a very big 1 in the city center, And the second 1 last night was in Walton, a very deprived part of 1 of the most deprived, just not the most. Deprived constituencies. In the country. And There a group of people turn.
Speaker 22: So everybody standing there that’s just watching that doesn’t just go away and leave them on their own to commit their offence for me it’s supporting them mean as it’s part of parcel of Same group and, hopefully, as we saw from that, as we heard from that statement, South yorkshire police will be taking some significant positive action in next few guys,
Speaker 29: and we’ve also heard, of course, from Mers side police saying that now, we’ve we’ve broken that news tonight that 3, people have not in only been arrested, but charged with violent disorder. What what does that mean graham, violent disorder, and what kind of , you said the law will deal with them. But what what kind of is it custody custodial feelings?
Speaker 23: Absolutely. Won’t all the so probably all
Speaker 22: back night 6. It’s a sick.
Speaker 0: Alright. Live coverage here from Cnn news 18. Alright bugs and violent flashes police. Alright. This is the commentary here on Sky.
Speaker 22: What was convicted or, once they were convicted. So I once it got convicted at call, then was like named and put pictures up. So advertising the fact that these people have been convicted to these offenses Almost like a reminder to the public. That this is… These are the type of individuals you’ve got in society and what types of offenses is their committing, So it might be…
That might be police and doesn’t seem to advertise. Yeah. Convictions.
Speaker 29: That’s the worrying stuff isn’t it. These are people who live amongst us. Much. That’s a lot of community are saying that that, , the other day, we we spoke to a librarian in in Liverpool who said I can’t believe some of these are my friends. These these are the people amongst me who are burning books in a library who are…
Setting fire to a wholesale were people trapped in inside it. Just 1 thing you just said I wanna pick up on, Graham. You you mentioned that, it’s the second most serious offense violent disorder rioting would be the first 1. Yeah. What why…
What’s the distinction Why would they not be charged with
Speaker 22: basically numbers. I think it’s 12 or more, I’d have to look it up against 12 or, I think is section 1. But when you… If you charge someone with Riot, and if you declare the fact that this is a right. I think there’s almost like, a, an obligation or either on or either on police and crime commission commissions.
I think it’s been a government, but it may have changed. But there’s an obligation on on the government society to maybe people if they… If they suffered damage it as a result of a
Speaker 0: So when Joe Biden stepped down and said he wasn’t gonna run for the democratic nomination for president, that was unprecedented. Because we had created a situation where it it became overwhelmingly clear to regular people that Joe Biden was not fit for office And so too, even if there is no precedent for working class white riot to create a change your policy, if they are on the side of reality, if the forces that they represent cannot be stopped. Then whether the government’s on the left or the right, it’ll have to exceed to some of their demands. Alright. And and so the amount of immigration that the United Kingdom has been absorbing the past 25 years.
Cannot be sustained. That which cannot be sustained, will eventually stop and the process of stopping it may be violent, or it may be civil. But if you cannot stop this immigration influx through civil means, eventually, people Well, we’ll turn to violent means.
Speaker 22: Riots. So that’s why you very rarely hear either government or society declare that a riot has taken place. Because I think there’s almost like hey, either an insurance or a financial obligation. But I’d I’d have to read that up because it’s not it’s not that often than it’s happened.
Speaker 29: Yeah. I’m asked. Because I’m sure people at home and saying, why aren’t they being getting that violent disorder is…
Speaker 22: Yeah. My my career goes back to a 1 we had right. As well first as when I first
Speaker 10: cost earlier.
Speaker 22: Yeah. Absolutely. So petrol bombs in, first time we’re seeing on the mainland, but we didn’t have we didn’t have this type of protective kit for us or the advanced tactics we’re now seeing.
Speaker 29: You are watching Sky news. We are bringing you the latest pictures from Roth and where Riot is targeted, police and a hotel, trying to set alight as people were trapped inside. We understand from the home secretary This was a hotel housing, asylum seekers. She called the attack, Utterly appalling. We understand at least
Speaker 0: Right. So if you’re concerned are not met through civil means. Right, you won’t turn to appalling means to try to meet.
Speaker 29: 10 police officers. Have been injured by the riot.
Speaker 0: Right. If the police are consistently on the side of your enemy, eventually, you will turn against police. Even if you’re the most pro police pro law and order at bloke around. Eventually, if the police are continually deployed on behalf of your enemy, then eventually the white working class rate is here will turn against the police.
Speaker 29: There’s throwing projectiles at them, targeting. Police. And we are keeping an eye on all of these, riots and protests throughout the country tonight. In particular, mers side, and rather them well, just AAA short while ago are coming up to 5PM this evening, the prime minister condemn the violence as far right thug, let’s hear more of what he had to say from Downing Street. See.
Be no
Speaker 30: doubt. Those that have participated in this violence will face the full force of the law. The police will be making arrests, Individuals will be held on. Charges will follow and convictions. Will follow.
I guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder whether directly or those whipping up this action online and then running away themselves. This is not protest. It is organized violent thug, and it has no place on our streets or online. Right now, there are attacks happening on a hotel in Roth. Mara gangs intent on law breaking, or worse.
Window smash. Fire set ablaze, residents and staff in absolute fear, There is no justification, none for taking this action and all right minded people should be condemning this sort of violence. People in this country.
Speaker 14: I right. Saying that if you prius had started talking about bit a bit of these tissues in a more sensible open and way of acknowledging that these concerns exist around migration and that there are pressures on the systems, and that also people feel uncomfortable with rapid change, not necessarily change per s, but the pace of change. You might be in a bit of a a difference situation situations.
Speaker 31: So then Liverpool, Bristol, Hall and Belfast just 4 of the towns or cities where clear up operations are underway after the most extensive d of riots and violent far rope protests across the Uk, around 90 people were rest arrested yesterday, Secure Star held a call from checkers with key ministers to discuss the wave of unrest. Yvette Cooper the home secretary said we’ve been clear. The police have our full backing. In taking the strongest possible action against purpose racers, including making sure there are more prosecutors, sufficient prison places, and the court stand ready. L is the government doing enough in response to the violent riots that we’ve witnessed in the last few days.
Speaker 14: Well, they haven’t stopped have they. I mean, if they were doing enough, they would have stopped now that might be sound very simplistic because the government and the police are facing a lot of forces here. These groups are clearly rapidly mobilized via a social media and messaging apps, which is something that they didn’t have necessarily forces at the same scale and at the same force in the London rights. But I think some early quick arrests and some strong sentences would do wonders that this point in time. And I think that the decision to open the courts 24 hours has been a really good 1.
And now it means needs to be put to use.
Speaker 32: Peter? We’re treating the symptoms and not the calls here. There is absolutely no excuse for anything that has happened in these riots. There’s up. Absolutely nothing to be condemned.
It is all to be condemned. There is no excuse to pick up a brick bottle.
Speaker 0: Right. That is the only thing that you’re allowed. To say if you want to maintain your position in polite society. That doesn’t mean that it’s true. Right?
That their concerns but not met through civil means. How long did you expect them to stand mute?
Speaker 32: Well, far of the police, disrespect the police. Or set fire to anything. I’m not gonna say however, but there is a however. And then however is if you I mean, they’re like, there there are some people who just wanna fight with the place. Mh.
There’s no doubt about that. There those those those thugs exist. There are also people who would never dream of doing any of those things. That those writers have done. But they look on those writers and say, well, maybe they have a point.
I don’t think they have a point, but there are some people who do and they believe that they’re not being listened to that there’s is a disconnection between, what some people call the political class, in this country, maybe I’m part of it, the establishment Suppose. And the people who legitimate, reasonable concerns perhaps not the most articulate expressed about things like aggression immigration
Speaker 0: Mh Right. The articulate of your expression, the logic. Presented in your expression, the sterling character of the grammar and the spelling and the punctuation do not equate with, how much reality you’re you’re conveying. Right? Someone may give an ina particular argument that is far more on the side of reality than the most articulate arguments against reality.
And the government and the elite in the United Kingdom have been consistently as far as immigration against reality for the past 25 years.
Speaker 32: Things likely changing it your over country. I spoke yesterday… I’m talk talk is a great different station to times, obviously, but yesterday, I have… I mean, in 3 years, I’ve never had as much of a response. I did on my show yesterday to people really, really, really angry with your summer thinking that he has basically called anybody to disagree disagrees with the races.
I don’t think he has, as but a lot of people have that impression. Other people calling them 2 tier care saying, why, if you talked about all the completely correctly calling out the car… The far right, are not, calling out, for example, not mentioning leads, not matching mentioning the rats there. That these these are not necessarily my opinions, but their opinions that I am getting all the time,
Speaker 0: Right. He wants to keep his job, so he’s being overly careful in what he’s saying. Britain does not have the visceral right wing talk radio that the United States has. And there are many benefits to that, but there also many drawbacks. And so people don’t get to express their hatred of immigration.
Right, it it gets severely censored in United Kingdom media. At Mickey Cal tweets. The more you think about more inadequate this Doug M hof statement is. It does not acknowledge the pregnancy. Right, doesn’t even acknowledge the affair.
It just says I went through some tough times. Right, this woman, this teacher at his kid’s school is affair with her got her fired. And he got her pregnant. He caused her to lose her job. Don’t know what happened to the the pregnancy and his response is that he went through some tough times.
How how how is that a response?
Speaker 32: And I think there are a lot… There’s a lot. If if you suppress things? And if you say you can’t talk about certain things. Or if you say to have concerns about immigration, Makes your races, well then that is going to create.
If you push it down, you don’t have people play it. If you don’t cover those conversations, if you just, , took all people, this horrible word of diamonds or whatever. Mh then you’re going to get a situation where people are really, really angry. There’s no case for it. Not saying for a second, that that violence isn’t way justified, but we need to we need to think about why this has happened.
Speaker 31: I want to just build on that with Some comments we had from, Stephen Rake, a bolton and I go on this program, who’s professor of social psychology at University universities of in Andrews, who… Sorry building on what people peter was saying. He said that And having studied the 20 11 riots in London that then spread to other cities, as well. He said actually, this is about addressing the problems in people’s lives, especially on deprivation, But actually, it’s about having a dialogue with those people to create a sense of control that they are involved in in in decision making and in making progress. Rather than sort of doing things 2 people or indeed 4 people, you need to do things with people.
And if you don’t, when you don’t, you end up in a in a situation potentially like this. And then the other bit of that, let’s is around the pull politician language, which I’m quite fascinated by. So to describe, for example, right, such as this as mindless is actually not constructive because these people are acting on beliefs and well, their beliefs me, cause action that people then have concerns about and concerns over. They are still beliefs that need to be, considered and engaged with.
Speaker 14: Yeah. I think what Peter says is absolutely right usually in are and furious agreement, so no surprises this morning, but… I think there’s a lot of things that can be true at once. And some of the commentary I’ve seen, particularly online, particularly from the left actually really misses this point. Yes.
You can have people who have me informed. Yes, you can have people who hold good views. Yes, you can have people who are just turning up at these rights because it’s op. But all the other things can be true and shouldn’t be not as well. That pop, dissatisfaction, people who are willing and might not have been part of that former mob.
To turn to violence to make a point or get caught up in it or get carried away in in a wild moment. Those things don’t come from nowhere And it’s also not contained to the Uk and I think 1 of the surprises people have or the feelings why it’s so shocking when it happens in Uk because you guys are traditionally do not do this. We don’t this very often in Britain. We do see it in other countries, and we wouldn’t be as surprised if we saw it taking place in other countries. But pop has roots dissatisfaction, and has roots and systems that don’t work see or a scene to not be working for a a broad massive people.
You don’t have to look very far to know that that’s a strong feeling within the Uk that needs to be listened to herd and dealt with look at the last election. There was a very strong anyone, but the major 2 parties vote there.
Speaker 17: Mh.
Speaker 14: And a lot of votes went to Parties on on the fringes And there’s a reason for that. And we do have to look at. And I think 1 of the missed opportunities for k and the labor government so far has been finding a way to say, look violence, violence crime is crime and you are going to be dealt with in the way that we all expect you shall be dealt with. But on the other hand, we all understand that when you voted for change, you wanted to see the system repaired. And I’m here to do that, And here’s 5 ways.
I’m already trying to sort out these issues.
Speaker 32: The tickets fix complete hands on this. I wanna talk to just briefly about so support if I can.
Speaker 23: Mh.
Speaker 13: So…
Speaker 32: There are a lot of people I’m sure who are absolutely baffled why the horrendous killing of those 3 little girls in South forth was to some people the spark for this. 1 on Earth has got to do. Obviously, there was misinformation, misinformation. There were things that were completely wrong there. There was a rad and south, which nobody south wanted a very, very few people south wanted.
We had actually the mother. Of 1 of those girls that stop this. Just do not do this. So there are… I think a lot people who would never dream of being involved in any of this kind of writing who are absolutely baffled by that And I’m interested in that in why, , we’ve had this very, very dramatic week in our island story.
I think actually, news wise it has been really, really intense. And I think there there there is new connection, really, of course, between the act of a ama and, a violent, person who who did this horrible thing. And what is happening now, but but also their kind of is weirdly. There shouldn’t be, but there are just some people rightly wrongly who say, , the hector, for example, he said, how to this, ?
Speaker 0: Right. Right. We’re we’re so used to this kind of thug and intimidation and rioting being solely the province of the left. That it’s somewhat shocking went finally the right fights its back after just taking it in the jaw for so many years.
Speaker 32: Come on to And if this being prevented to snacks. And there is just the sense that there is a complete disconnection between casting your vote, taking part in the democratic process and what you get in return, and that’s in so many manifested in so many ways that’s paying lots of tax and not being able to get Gps appointment. That’s, , skilled housing. That’s lots and lots of different things. There is no excuse for this.
There is no justification for attacking the place. I’m not doing it at all. But there is a… This is the sort of 0 point 001 percent of that real real anger that lots of other people feel. They just don’t manifest it in this way.
Speaker 33: We also have to think about politicians language and responsibility of. I mean, we’ve Veronica just got in touch here saying, what about the language of people like swell bra who use… But the word invasion. For years, we have had right wing politicians using words about, , flooding. I mean,
Speaker 0: Well, that is precisely how millions. Of people in the Uk experience, this dramatic increase in immigration, which is contrary to their interest. Right? Every form of life tries to create a niche construction of that is most amenable to their own best interest. Where would people not react to this flood of immigration as an invasion.
Speaker 33: Nigel Far is language and. During the whole Brexit referendum, the posters of, , the kind of invasion.
Speaker 0: Well, judging by the riots. Alright. This language is understated. The rage the people feel about this massive uptick in immigration.
Speaker 33: Ish from Europe the isn’t there a sense as well as much as there needs to be action from the government. And I mean to be fair the government hasn’t only been in power less than well, a nearly month. A month to my.
Speaker 32: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 33: , how much can you actually? Yes. You can speak about?
Speaker 0: Well, labor was in government under Tiny Blair, and they deliberately upped immigration rates. To reduce the chances of conservatives hoarding political power. Right? Labor is substantially responsible for the vast amount of immigration to the United Kingdom in in the past 25 years. So it’s understandable why there’d be so much rage at the labor party?
Speaker 33: About things. How much action can you bring in in a month? I just wonder as well about the responsibility here of politicians to rein in their language and think
Speaker 0: Well, the language seems to severely state the the nature of the problem. Right? What’s more important, civility in language or truth. Sometimes civility is more important but sometimes truth is more important. If the United Kingdom and its press rules had allowed for more truth in media discussion, perhaps there’d be less likely for this kind of violence.
Right? If people are not allowed to be verbally violent, are they then more likely to be physically violent,
Speaker 33: But when you are constantly drip dripping this idea of an invasion, is then always gonna be consequence of that.
Speaker 0: This rage isn’t created by this of that politician talking about invasion. Right? This rate is because the real interest of people have been compromised
Speaker 14: of Reality isn’t it? I’m gonna be very controversial here. I would argue that if you brits had started talking about a lot of these issues. In a more sensible, open and way of acknowledging that these concerns exist around migration and that there are pressures on the systems, and that also people feel I’m comfortable with rapid change, not necessarily change per s, but the pace of change. You might be in a bit of a a different situation.
But I think there’s a tendency for The British, at least I have observed particularly when Was in Australia. That when Australia was having the same conversations. People would look at us and say well, you’re racist because you don’t like immigration and you don’t… You want to control your asylum seekers movements. Now, there was a lot of inflammatory language in Australia had a very tortured debate about this.
But in the end, the entire community came to the point where I think the british
Speaker 0: Well, for decades in Australia, the major parties tac agreed not to campaign on the issue of immigration. And that’s also largely been true in the United States and many other first world countries. And so that the issue of immigration has largely been removed from the political over the past 80 years in in the first world as an over reaction to the second world war. Right? When you neutralize and remove from the political, the depressing nature of immigration, then you can expect that there’ll be some kind of eruption.
Speaker 14: Ish public is now at, which is illegal information is not okay. There has to be a way that people can come to our country. We know who’s coming in and we welcome them when they’ve come in through a process. But what can’t be tolerated is anyone just taking it into their own hands paying people smuggle and rocking up on our shores. And so I think the longer you try and suppress those conversations, the more you give it, paying 2 people who will not be responsible in taking guardians ship of that issue and steering it in a way that we can talk about it carefully, and considered in a considered manner with the public.
And I think that that may be 1 of the reasons that that Britain is having a bit more trouble with this immigration.
Speaker 0: Right. And a country can choose to bring in immigrants who are going to bring in, , far more to the tax base that they take out in public welfare. And But in the United States and in Germany and in the United Kingdom, immigrant communities are overwhelmingly taking out far more in welfare payments, they are contributing to the tax base.
Speaker 14: Jimmy and Europe buyer too.
Speaker 33: But also in that, within language when you think about the numbers well be 700000 people. And coming into the country we said didn’t we in a year around that? How many of those are illegal migration. How much of those is people coming in small boats? It’s a fraction of it most it is legal migration.
Speaker 14: I don’t
Speaker 33: know. This is why there needs to be responsibility around language is all I’m saying, that people need to be armed with the facts, and it is a
Speaker 0: so the elites like this radio presenter are very very interested in trying to rein in people’s language. Right, far more emphasis is placed on civility than I’m telling the truth. So let’s get another perspective here.
Speaker 34: Both part ot have serial lied. And I use that term advised. They have lied about immigration. 2010 manifesto the story promised to cut immigration for tens of thousand. The same in 2015, 2017.
Tony Blair and Gordon Rounds manifesto made promises on immigration, legal immigration that were consistently violated the and and in a pre meditate way in my view. That is unsustainable. It creates an endemic dis trust in politics and we have to acknowledge that that is a background context. Not for the rights themselves, which are clearly animated by the far right, but for the discontent that has allowed it to spread so rapidly in this country and that does reflect a dis quiet amongst millions of citizens who paul is happening on our streets.
Speaker 31: In the last sixties, the tone of South port, has witnessed the fatal stabbing of 3 young girls. Bb king aged 6 elise dot Stan, who is 7 and 9 year old Alas to Silva ag and then with hours, a ferocious riots outside a mosque, which left more than 50 police officers injured and worshipers fearing for their lives. Sunday columnist them Matthew side spent several days, they’re are speaking to local. People, and he is written to about for you to read in the paper it’s available right now at the times dot com with your digital subscription and Matthews with us. Hello Matthew.
Morning. Good to speak to you. I think first of all, on your way to south port, what were you what were you expecting, what were you anticipating?
Speaker 34: Well, I I think I went there with a sense that it would be obviously a town in tremendous grief. Also traumatized by the violence that had done unfolded. I suspect suspected that I would feel a sense of gloom, and des But I have to say, I spoke to many, many people on the train on the way up in the town and beyond… And they united and condemning the violence in wishing to focus attention on the 3 beautiful young girls who had died, support for the Grieving families whose, pain and trauma is almost unimaginable. And I have to say I left with a tremendous sense of optimism.
I do think that we would be wrong to diminished the significance of the riots that are spread from south to the rest of the nation. I think it’s incorrect, categorically incorrect to blame it solely on the far right. I think there’s something deeper. The But I think it’s also worth saying that the vast majority of people in this country are appalled by the violence, support the police and believe that our law enforce who I spoke to many of those 2 are doing an extraordinary job in difficult circumstances and it is truly horrific that some of them have been attacked and injured defending the rule of law, defending property and defending citizens.
Speaker 31: Talk to us about, I I suppose the causes for your optimism, and perhaps perhaps the wall is is is the is the primary reason.
Speaker 34: Yeah. So the wall, on the corner of, S saint. Luke’s Road and Sussex Road is…
Speaker 0: Okay. Here are some perspectives on x. Cut sc. Tweets this British uprising is gonna to be crushed up because it is wrong. It is absolutely right but because it is disorganized and it’s insurgents of 0 levers of power at their disposal.
They’re going to per the ins inc and the insurgents just like the… Generally 6 people, they’re gonna try to use it to totally discredit the anti alien movement. The British communists are thrilled by this development. Well Chamberlain says the British ride is about to get re. He’s seen this movie in America before 4 years ago.
January sixth ride. It was right. It 1 place. Everyone who participated had their lives ruined this gonna happen tenfold fold in Britain. Here Style is far more competent than Jay Biden.
He’s younger than Biden, and he is the Uk equivalent of the attorney general. I get the grievances of the British right. Unless you are prepared to ever overthrow the government by force and install Nigel far. As Franco, yearly long term consequences of these riots, will be the jail and bankruptcy of those who participate and a general d literature might the amortization of right wing anti immigration politics in Britain will Yes. You are a second bus citizen in the country of your birth, that sucks.
Speaker 34: Is where the mosque that was attacked, so dreadful. It’s like on a corner, I guess, a thigh high red brick wall that really bore the brunt of a lot of the violence, and some people would have seen the images of the of the char and the the scarred fa Facade. But on Wednesday, people came out to rebuild the wall. And I I start thank you. I mean III see what you this because I start the piece that I’ve written on this wall.
Because Wars becomes something of a metaphor for a divided world. Trump built a wall, of course, tried to build a wall and Southern border, theorists call it digital
Speaker 0: You can only have civilization with a wall, either the wall is gonna be natural, or you gonna put up a wall. Otherwise, anything advanced that’s built. Right? Outside is gonna try to come in and take advantage.
Speaker 34: The walls on the social media that divide up the echo chambers, But this wall people came out to rebuild. Giving their time pro bon, not just to clean up the streets, but to rebuild the wall into and to help the people who work in the mosque, 6 of whom had been trapped in that barricade in on the Tuesday night. So I I think that I hope it remains the lasting in cultural metaphor Of the solid decency of most of the british people. I you’re hearing me okay. I hope the signal is okay.
Speaker 31: Oh, yeah. Loud and clear matthew you. Yeah. Do continue. Credit.
Speaker 34: Yeah. No. Forgive me. We’ve had a few trouble a few few problems southwest. I spoke to the ama at, the mosque, the chairman of the mosque.
It was a fascinating conversation because you can imagine the terror. That you’re in this sleepy town, I think it’s probably wrong. It’s a it’s a quiet seaside town. But, , they have the occasional snag weekend weekends. , it’s it’s got a buzz and a vibe and and the run a wonderful sub culture there too.
But the the the chairman of the mosque was saying to me, , fear, wondering what happened. , the rule of law is so deeply embedded in this country that you don’t expect to be sitting on the corner of a relatively quiet suburb of of south port, fearing for your life, but he said that is abiding memory of this period will not be fear, but kindness. And I asked him to describe, South ball and he just said it’s example wall community. He’s lived there for 20 years. Had no problem.
Speaker 0: Look, kindness is wonderful in certain situations. Cruelty is wonderful in other situations. There’s nothing inherently superior about. Love or kindness. Right?
It has to be appropriate to the situation. The idea that kindness is always the response is insane.
Speaker 12: A weak. Been turn.
Speaker 26: I mean I don’t say when it rains it pause, but, , if they could just spread it out. It would be too bad.
Speaker 23: Well, exactly right. What, let’s talk about what we’re calling Tinder up box Britain, , we’ve had some reactions from our audience in the past to big stuff.
Speaker 0: So Britain has never had the openness and the freedom and the free speech of American conservative talk radio. But you do have the rise of more free speech online. Now, various online channels such as Talk Tv in the Uk. Playing an excerpt from Kevin Sullivan Show.
Speaker 23: Stories, but I’ve never seen anything like this. And what it is is, , off to the South port riots. , he he… Him and yvette cooper went up to sort of pay their respects and lay down flowers and all that. Did it seemed rather
Speaker 0: to And Stephen J James. No. They keep calling at far right riots, but Stephen says they just look like No to me.
Speaker 23: Look per. People are saying. In out you’re out of there.
Speaker 26: Yeah. I think he was that for like, 2 minutes.
Speaker 23: Isn’t this terrible. Somebody he him he didn’t even talk to them an off he went. Then they came back down and they did their sort of standard issue speeches in the commons all. This is horrific and terrible Isn’t that. Yeah.
Blah blah blah, Of course, we all agree with that. But they seemed to be just going through the political most rigid like that.
Speaker 0: And
Speaker 23: I think people noticed that, then there was the south port right. I was on air as it erupted. We were seeing it live as it were then. Oh, boy. Oh boy did kia gifts and eva yvette Cooper’s attitude seemed to change suddenly, as I said, they had their pant.
My men.
Speaker 0: Alright. Looking at more comments from Steven j James talk to some guys on the ground in 1 of the writing areas. Hey they tell me this is not far right. There a no. Far right groups involved.
It’s just no me the people are writing, the types would say they’re are not racist while chanting outside the immigration center hoping for some relief from the Avalanche of immigration that has overwhelmed red Britain.
Speaker 23: And and all their fury was directed not. To a country that seems to be unraveling, but too far right thugs. No one’s condolences what those riot did in south ports. But if these it is pair of, people, our home secretary and our prime minister. If they are going to really end up thinking that the reason.
For all the disturbances around the country is just down to what they call traveling far right banks of they’re delusional. Either they’re delusional or they’re making this up, they’re doing this deliberately to deflect from an uncomfortable truth that they can do nothing about, before, you and I discuss this, Pete sir remind ourselves of the share, was it 2 nights ago now, that enraged the nation hearing.
Speaker 0: So where was the last right? Wing riding like this. The closest example I can think of is January 6, and then a small mini riot that broke out during the year 2000 recount in Florida in the fall of 2000.
Speaker 23: Is our dear labor leader that for, but Union Jack flags, getting his reasons for what went wrong in South port, Take it away, Kia.
Speaker 30: And will take every step that’s necessary to keep you safe. And that’s why I said what I said about Mosques being.
Speaker 0: Well, if safety is a prime concern, you’d wanna stop immigration. Right? The introduction of foreigners in overwhelming numbers is gonna make ordinary brits feel unsafe.
Speaker 30: Tactical because their masks. The far right is showing who they are. We have to show who we are in response to that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It’s overwhelming. The news media. And and British leads calling these right as far right. Many of that might just be enormous.
Speaker 30: And that’s why we pulled together this response this afternoon. And coordinate to make sure that, as we face the next few days the weeks, we have the strongest possible response in order to ensure that There is safety for all of our citizens, including those Muslims who will see as you rightly say, attack…
Speaker 0: It might not be inevitable that these riders simply get crushed. It might be that they represent forces is so powerful that the ruling elite will have to make in effect some sort of accommodation with them.
Speaker 30: That’s all name mosques because they mosques. Thank you.
Speaker 23: Thank you, Ak. Fantastic stuff you really struck a chord with the nation there. Everybody is furious now. Have a look at this but. You’re gonna love this.
This is Yvette Cooper. This is, first off, this is her, reacting to, I think what happened in leeds. Followed by her reaction to what happened in South. Now you remember the leads. I think you and I were with…
On the show when it absolutely actually happened when it exploded
Speaker 0: So during the French revolution, right, initial reports were that the revolution areas were simply gonna to get crushed. Well, in the end, the revolutionaries is won. I’m sure when the Bo revolutionaries were trying to take over Russia, there there were many initial reports that they were simply gonna get crushed. Well, sometimes the revolutionaries win.
Speaker 23: Air area. And now that was largely a ethnic. Right? , what we heard about to… G Roam, we heard about…
Speaker 0: Right at a certain point or the den denomination of racist and far right. If it’s inexplicable. Right? It’s not going to have the same power that those den pronunciations used to have. Right?
After a certain amount of time when terms get misused, they lose their power and more and more people are gonna be willing to stand up to being called racist and far right.
Speaker 23: And mu up there. It was an ethic right now. , we know what happened there. The police just sort of bug off and let it happen. They just, you get on with.
Won’t arrest anyone here. Now, the right, as I say, no 1 is condo condolences it in South was of course, pretty much a white working class male. So I’m a look at to the diff… Attitudes, the differing facial expressions of home secretary, Yvette Cooper.
Speaker 35: Well I’ve been talking to Western police officers and also local community leaders about the action there now taking in response to those unacceptable scenes of disorder and criminality that we saw Night. The community’s is working very closely together in response to
Speaker 0: What if government policy and immigration levels are what is unacceptable? And thus fueling a reaction.
Speaker 35: What was a a local child protection incident but it’s really important that the community can feel safe on the street.
Speaker 0: The the stabbing to death of 3 young girls is a local child protection incident.
Speaker 35: So appalling to now see those same police. Facing violent attacks from thugs on the streets who have no respect to a grieving community. It’s a total disgrace. Frankly, this is a time when everyone should be showing respect. For a community and for the police.
Speaker 0: So I can’t think of any examples. We we don’t have any examples in history. Of the majority of a country, happily resigning themselves to becoming the minority. And having their country taken over by foreigners. Right?
We have no examples in history of this happening. Right. The only examples that we have that even approximate that are of a violent reaction.
Speaker 23: Spot the difference is extraordinary.
Speaker 26: It’s absolutely extraordinary, and the the irony of that woman been talking about respecting a community. After, like after just her entire behavior since she became home home secretary. I think is absolutely disgraceful. I I don’t think I really didn’t even need to remember that the reason all of this started, was because 3 kids were killed by a radical knife man. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Right. Ever you become socially acceptable to put stopping immigration as your top. Political priority. Alright. More and more elites again to come to that side.
Speaker 26: Many was… That story has just disappeared out of all of this, and then we have to get back to it. Obviously, we have to do with riots and all the rest of it, but at the heart of this, there’s 3 dead kids in a community that were taken away far too young and it is.
Speaker 0: Right. How many of these writers are labor voters. Alright? It it wouldn’t surprise me if close to half of these writers were labor voters. I I don’t think that they are primarily…
Inspired by ideology or by the rhetoric of of politicians. This is very much a a visceral, working class reaction.
Speaker 26: Just shocking to hear somebody like about Cooper. Like I said they were given the gift of the perfect villain, the perfect excuse, so they don’t have to take responsibility for an environment that they help create. Another a soft touch for 1 and
Speaker 3: a high
Speaker 26: touch level. It is increasingly under environmentally.
Speaker 0: Gl what’s going on, man.
Speaker 17: Can you hear me, Luke?
Speaker 0: I can loud and clear, sir. And soon the whole you.
Speaker 17: No I just had check ins see if the thing would actually work. I’ve actually got a Wifi F connection I’m out here and it’s actually kinda drizzle it out here. At beautiful Ryan city.
Speaker 0: Any riots going on, Brook?
Speaker 17: No. It’s pretty peaceful in Brooklyn. Just stay out of the bad neighborhood, you’ll be okay.
Speaker 0: Oh, thank god. So, peace and love is returning to new york City.
Speaker 17: Yeah. That subway crime. It’s overstated. Millions of people use that thing every day. You hear about a few incidents.
What is it?
Speaker 0: Yeah. It… It’s certainly… Well, it grabs grabs attention. I mean, I I have people who who’ve talked to me about, oh, you gotta, know, state stay far away from the tracks you can in case some mentally or person.
Shove you down. But have you noticed a decrease in crime in New York City in last year or is it staying the same?
Speaker 17: Well, I’ve taken the subway a lot in the last year, and it seems like, now that Covid has died down, the number of crazy has died down too in the subway. Down the street, you’re getting your effects. Of the illegal immigration, that’s a bigger problem right now than their homeless crazy. But to lots of rats too. That’ll be the number 1 focus.
Speaker 0: Who was that that guy. I think he was marine or whatever who choked out a a raving Luna,
Speaker 17: And and that was be with name. Guy
Speaker 0: Now chad with Murder, Would he have majority support in New York City?
Speaker 17: I believe so. Yeah. Certainly among the white pop population, if you talk to the older white ladies about it. They’ve read the backstory. And they don’t say it’s so many words, but they all think he’s a hero.
As for the minority communities, they should… Well, there were… I… This is on the train, and I guess they’ll speak at the child, but there were witnesses. So minority persuasion or we’re 100 percent behind his actions.
So it should be an interesting trial. I guess it’ll take place after the election. Should be a nice rebuke to the Da who’s deserving a 1 after the Trump trial.
Speaker 0: So are you optimistic about the direction for the quality of life in New York City?
Speaker 17: Okay. Well, it just… Still seems to be a magnet for talent. So… Yeah.
I guess, short term. And now there is a short both.
Speaker 19: We’re gonna be high profile
Speaker 17: Yeah. I would be bullish on New York right now. As much as any place in this country?
Speaker 0: And how does what stay safe as you’re navigating New York city on public transport? Are there any tips
Speaker 17: Well, yeah. You do ratio profiling. I’m not gonna go into details. there’s a new law in New York where the monitoring hate speech now and for hate messages on social media. So So we got a whole force there to work with.
But, yeah. Use your imagination. Use streets smarts. ? You use age, to use sex.
To use , how people carrying them themselves. And Yeah. For the most part, I’ve been okay. I did used to go to this reservoir. I I live in a neighborhood that’s less than 2 percent welch old reference, failed penalty kicker, less than 2 percent of that.
But if then there’s a cemetery and a reservoir and a park in between me my neighborhood, and A dicey 1. And I had 1 or 2 incidents there that were dicey that I managed to get away, And I learned my lesson, . I don’t go to that neighborhood so much anymore. I’m an older white guy. They’re gonna, ?
Pay pardon me. So… You just use your judgment, , You wall off 1 an area. There’s always good neighborhoods to go to. So…
But it was a nice reservoir quiet area. AAA ver wet land, just a short subway ride for Manhattan. So there you go.
Speaker 0: At how much homeless are there in New York City? Because isn’t there a right to shelter legislation in place?
Speaker 17: Yeah. Some neighborhoods get hit bad with it if they got some crummy hotel in the outer borough? Wind up becoming the shelter, , the hotels make a ton of money off them in the illegal, like, , they can charge 600 a night. And, people protest, , these things will go up next to schools and whatnot. Again, A in a nice neighborhood.
It’s like, landmarks. There are only so many, tall buildings, and there are no nothing that’s shelter worthy. So We got 1 resident homeless guy who lives by the train, and he’s a harmless. So you
Speaker 4: get them on the subway. , that’ll
Speaker 17: be a disturbing. So, like, 1 in every 10 subway ride. The whole this guy pass through. That’s it That’s actually… But somewhere between 1 and 10 and 1 and 20 rides to get a homeless guy walking through.
And they’re usually un threatening.
Speaker 0: And and what about skipping the the fare? Is that still rampant?
Speaker 17: Yeah. It’s definitely doable. You’ll see Hips is doing it as well as, , the demographics that you would expect. And it’s something came in with Covid, and I’m seeing more enforcement now. I saw a white guy and subway day should we definitely got pulled over 4 eddie.
But , it’s It’s part of the spirit of how we approach crime these days, and these things are cyclical and eventually,
Speaker 4: law enforcement bite back with the people who demand it.
Speaker 0: And what have you noticed among jews getting red pill since the October 7 attack?
Speaker 17: I don’t think they’re there yet. I don’t think certainly, Well, I’m thinking more along the lines of where they are with trump. I’m jumping ahead and, yeah. Yeah. I think it itself with lot a lot of people.
But I I think liberal Jews is still holding out for, something good to come along. Somehow.
Speaker 0: And are are there certain ways that you delicate, try to… Figure out if someone’s red pill, did you , make make a sentiment about we , else Streets aren’t safe or we got too much immigration or how how do you bring up, say red pill topics if you do at all with people you don’t know them.
Speaker 17: Right, people I don’t know well. Well, yeah. I deal with older people mostly and the line I’m in older jews mostly actually, And and well, with the It’s interesting. Yeah. There’s certain populate.
I… And just just… Yeah. It just kinda slides the. And how doesn’t come up?
It usually does not come up. But you… I let them bring it up. I’ll say, boy, It’s pretty crazy. Action there.
Something big, like, the Daniel Penny thing happens. And and, actually, I will… I did specifically ask about that. Because was right after my running with the crime elements in my earlier anecdotes. And so I brought it up with her, and that’s when I got her again.
Penny was a hero and . There’s just… Yeah sitting I think, , it’s it’s it was much problem people are having it Israel is that they’re having with the, all the non binary stuff. All of the alphabet stuff, I think is is rubbing a lot of older juice the wrong way. So it’s a mix of things.
Speaker 0: Have you noticed this increase in transgender, identifying people?
Speaker 17: Yeah. This been an uptick. I think mostly guys, guys in their twenties, 4 things. These Gen z guys. Mostly that.
I don’t see really too many trips. Trans, just non binary types maybe.
Speaker 0: How how much you listen to the radio? And if so, what do you listen to?
Speaker 17: But not at all. I go, as I tell you, I go on long walk? Do now, and I usually don’t listen to anything, but the news has been such that I have been listening to your streams while I’m walking. And
Speaker 4: but not a lot else.
Speaker 0: So there there are no… Radio personalities who you find compelling that you make an effort to listen to?
Speaker 17: That that’s correct. I I’m strictly a Youtube guy. Beyond beyond podcast. That was a heavy talk radio listeners or. So, but it’s I listened to the radio back when I was in the country because there were some good local stations, but those weren’t talk.
It was mostly music. And when I moved back to the city 10 years ago, I, the radio just wasn’t a part of the scene, I bought a nice clock radio, or table radio. It’s for nothing. It’s a paper.
Speaker 0: And tell me about any… Podcast podcasts or Youtube shows that it you like.
Speaker 17: Well, I just thinking they what time I actually did listen the radio was early in Covid. And so that was about it, and then I kept listening it. It just seemed like, more and more prompt. Again. And and then I went back to it, like, not maybe a year or 2 ago and They’re still talking about Covid and their public service ads and just everything seems so irrelevant at that point.
I’m sorry. What was your latest question?
Speaker 0: Your your favorite podcast.
Speaker 17: , III could name them, but the only thing is, a lot of them ones that put me to sleep, so I’d rather not say, I have, . Good taste. But yeah. , I’m not really. I mean, I’m in the contemplated state right now.
I joined a new Yoga studio I’m doing very advanced stuff there. I just got out of the class and And I’m walking about 5 or 6 miles a day on average. I got these barefoot foot shoes on the vent and Gill square barefoot foot shoes right now. And I should get sponsorship. That’s why I go on the Luke ford show so I can get some exposure.
Maybe there’s a free pair of shoes at this at the end of it.
Speaker 0: How often do you become incandescent with rage?
Speaker 17: Yeah. If the subway is held up. They got… That subway service got bad toward the end of the last heat wave or the 1 before that and and they Yeah. I was swearing a lot on the platform, but Mean that.
That is pretty cool. ? Keep cool head at work. it’s all good. My anger is managed?
Speaker 0: Oh, when did you notice the to the best of your memory that Joe Biden was displaying some signs of civility.
Speaker 17: No, that would seem to be before the election. Right? Before the were… Before 22… Yeah.
Yeah. I would say then. Yeah. And… Coming up.
Speaker 0: How do you understand it? Because conservatives before Biden was elected president, Conservatives were almost universally. Pointing out that this man displays melody. And yet, the the mainstream media didn’t come along to this point of view until June 20 seventh after Biden disastrous debate, and then they completely switched on the topic So for 4 years, they said it’s inaccurate and fake news to say that Joe biden is aisle, and then they just completely switched and and essentially, drove him out of writing again. How do you understand what happened there?
Speaker 17: Well, it’s a lot there. Well, I think liberal media is such a walled off bubble right now. So reinforcing claims, they create their own mythology. And it really is at the level of mythology as we pointed out, people on the left are more likely to view politics is deeply the religious quasi religious endeavor. So, I would explain it that way.
Lost in a bubble, and with the power to hold captive. Enough of the American people. That’s the democrats can write on. And and they’re riding on now with the , with the coronation of the great 1 kamala.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You excited a come a lot?
Speaker 17: I haven’t seen much buzz for her years in the city. I’ve seen some Trump I’ve seen some trump stuff go up, but nothing kamala worthy so far. I think people are still waiting to see if it’s actually real.
Speaker 0: Do d you defy do? Physically attractive because I I think she’s a good looking woman.
Speaker 17: Yeah. For 59. Yeah. Yeah. She’s fine looking 59 year old.
Sure.
Speaker 0: She’s aged very well. I mean, she’s got a great figure Love her long hair. She’s got a beautiful smile. I think I’m quite a.
Speaker 17: If she put to the effort, she put newer body into intellectual endeavors, She’d be Gps forced to be reckon with. But as it is, she to she can only be carried by the will of the media to keep her… I don’t know what what do you call this it’s not a… Is it a rose garden campaign. What’s she’s not in the Rose.
Speaker 0: Highly scripted. So I’m sure there are many ways you can put it. I would say… Entirely scripted so far. How do you think?
How do you think she’s dealing with these revelations about her, I mean, she already knew. It’s that her husband previously had an affair, and, , it may well have paid paid a woman off. She got pregnant, and, apparently, this has been quite disruptive to her campaign, and she is not publicly announced any support for her husband. How do you think she’s she’s enjoying the the embarrassment that these revelations are broader?
Speaker 17: Well, maybe she knows the worst ones that are coming along. But I… She’s playing it like she’s playing everything else, just just the walk by, sweeping it on there. Got the median account… Keep it swept under and wait for someone to fall back in Trump.
It’s in Trump land.
Speaker 0: What do you think about the taser for granted matter of fact? Discussion that that Democrats are having that it may be impossible to have a jew as vice president because, Democrats by and large have too much an towards Jews to go along with the Jewish Vice president. And and this is just discussed in a matter of fact way, while if the same sort of situation was going on among Republicans, they would be outraged.
Speaker 17: But isn’t that standard? What are we… We’re doing this a d of the real anti empty semi. So Yes. Yeah.
Well, at this point, I guess they are. , They got the most infection. They’ve got the At file action. So it was about time made to after have to own it. The and this selection process would appear to be something they’re gonna reckon with?
Do you think they’re gonna go with Shapiro?
Speaker 0: I I think so, but it it is striking how it’s discussed in a completely matter of fact manner. Whether or not there’s just too much an towards Jews or a jew to be vice president. Yeah.
Speaker 17: It is kind. Funny yeah considering how much of the coalition is and then and the money. The the Dnc gets is derived from Jewish sources. It’s it’s 1 of the fun conundrum of the 20 24 election. Gotta let this condensed cycle?
Speaker 0: Yeah. It’s it’s exciting. How did you arrive at this? Place of awareness rather than judgment this this intercom that you ex exclude rather than outraged. Did it require a lot of effort on your part,
Speaker 17: It’s probably just getting rid of a television radio and getting older. Not having the hormones for anger, ? Then, , if you wanna be perpetually, I mean, there are a lot of people who are older or who are perpetually angry, , it’s their force. Their energy, , it’s what this stains them, but that’s not me.
Speaker 0: How how are you affected by? Covid by the unprecedented removal of basic rights that Americans take for granted such.
Speaker 17: I don’t really talk about Covid with you Luke. Yeah. I’d rather avoid that subject which you.
Speaker 0: Okay. That’s fine. Yeah Yeah. I’m happy to hear your point of view without pushing without pushing back too much. Yeah.
Speaker 17: That’s still. That you 1. Yeah. I’d rather… Yeah.
Just…
Speaker 0: Okay. I got
Speaker 17: a shot. I’m ready to move on.
Speaker 0: Okay. What do you notice about semitism in New York City are a violent anti tax really? Primarily just a a function of non white on white attacks.
Speaker 17: Oh completely. Yeah. Yeah. That’s a 1 word answer. Yeah.
Of course, more prevalent among maus, but you’re not I gonna see anti antifa file randomly package you want. 3. , no matter what color there here. How many peers things they got. I and he’d nasty tattoos.
They’re not gonna do it, they’re They might… They might… They’re gonna protest the business. I’ve been inside a business. That got protested by Ad antifa.
They were on a March, and that was the first place they hit because people on the coffee shop were apparently, real estate developers who were zion and Think might have even in Israeli, but the worst thing was they were developers, what they’ve done. The person who organizers the anti zion stuff here. Is she originally gotta start doing anti landlord stuff, housing rights tenant rights activists So she combines the gen justification, because of anti altercation with anti colonialism. For a nice neat trick. ?
You can bring in more people that way. She gets some Spanish people in that way.
Speaker 0: What newspapers if any do you read regularly?
Speaker 17: None. I just listened, ? I’m in a coffee shop right now. I in this coffee shop a few months back. I was listening these queer guys.
It’s a good coffee shop because it’s a mix of artists and musicians and but it’s on this industrial strip. So you got these just working class guys coming too. But these gay guys were talking this 1 guy was really going on it’s sending. Very flower fashion. But anyway, he was telling the other guy that gets true.
There are these billionaires and groups like the Kaiser foundation, that are funding guys like us to move to places like Tulsa, and be subsidized there, get their housing and employment, and you’ll get get set up with a job. And, basically, seed blue culture in red states. , you’re not gonna hear that in a time. She gonna hear in a coffee shop in brooklyn. I know he’s not bullshit.
Yeah. It’s a very
Speaker 0: interesting that standing from… Reading newspapers does not seem to dramatically decrease your quality of life.
Speaker 17: Yeah. You need a weather forecast. That’s basically it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And how about your consumption of books? Has been on social media reduced your consumption of books?
Speaker 17: All totally, but getting back on the subway, believe it or not is brought it back. Somewhat. I even read a coffee shops now. I just finished the Tu, Russian author, I suppose it’s a play, but you didn’t get performed too much. It’s called a month in the country.
And I can’t really recommend it, but it’s just I… A lot of times I’m just reading for atmosphere. I like the atmosphere pros. And it’s a better thing to read on the subway than your phone. You don’t wanna do scroll on the subway.
If you can avoid it, put some time there’s some guy app and, , because they too cheap to buy airpods and their phone doesn’t have a jack.
Speaker 0: So, that’s so just… I hate that. Few people can’t figure out Bluetooth.
Speaker 17: Yeah. So then you switch it back over to, ex Twitter.
Speaker 4: And, , you get on with it, but that does not been too off that.
Speaker 0: How how often do you get into conversations on the subway?
Speaker 17: Not often on the subway. But you can stick at the nice random encounters on the street that make city life more appealing, but not
Speaker 4: on this subway. You could be a
Speaker 17: something subway. The last time I had a conversation, it was a very, very crowded subway and a rare 1 because of… Didn’t have any air conditioning, and there was a lady with her toddler and a stroller, and and I told her at the end… Short ride where we were able to get out gets there that, that has a good kid you got there. Short conversation because, I had to do a little bit of yoga work to squeeze around it, and the kid only kicked me once, and I told that.
A good kid only me kicked me once. So, But that was about it, Just give it encouragement to, flustered mother.
Speaker 0: How do you understand the? Fall of the outright, What do you think happens that movement?
Speaker 17: Didn’t have quality leadership. Right? Yeah. Body goes, not a whole lot of leadership.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. It’s it. Go ahead.
Speaker 17: The that just said direction list. Yeah. Without the leadership. Yeah?
Speaker 0: Yeah. It’s interesting how some people were able to be interested in its development without blowing up their lives. And then for other people, they could not handle the the red pill, and they’d quit a hundred and 20000 dollar job if they just read Kevin Mcdonald’s culture a critique and and blow up everything that they worked hard to build.
Speaker 17: Those are pretty extreme cases. On, yeah. But how prevalent are they? Well, I can’t you remember that guy’s name. Is he still around?
Speaker 0: Paul Little. I think.
Speaker 17: A, yes. Remember the little
Speaker 0: part. And No Get. Go ahead.
Speaker 17: I can’t I can’t It was very tantalizing at the time. Right? People were fired up by it. Certain people got… Got too deep in the water.
Right? They they didn’t have the psychological profile to carry on with it.
Speaker 0: Do you notice many attractive young women on the subways?
Speaker 17: Oh, no. People gotten. They dress out 20 years ago. People that are out there and they do now. You see these.
What are they calls slash tattoos. Right yeah. You it used to be… You walked in into a bar. You go into the restroom, and you’d see this mask d graffiti on the walls, and understand generation z doesn’t go to bars anymore.
So to get that d aesthetic effect they put it on, put it on their bodies now. That nasty graffiti. And so that’s really diminished, but I did notice, after the heat wave broke, I said, okay. There’s been looking room on the street now. It must speak because the heat wave broke.
And I’m… Peeling things again.
Speaker 0: And how how easy is it how to have conversations with complete strangers? For example, do people who pull this off as a as a regular thing?
Speaker 17: I don’t know if anybody who pulls it off as a regular thing. I don’t know this kind of people. , I’m an old guy right now, everybody gets settled in their ways, don’t, do too much random stuff. It’s just a short conversation. Dumb, right And I like the tourists too.
You get a lot of french tourists out here. They like the look at the murals. Yeah now. So . I tell him it’s all us, but no, I don’t tell him anything.
I do it do go french gestures though. , I moon them. Was not something they did in the opening ceremony.
Speaker 0: Probably, I
Speaker 23: I believe it…
Speaker 0: Watch it. Go ahead.
Speaker 17: It was spiritual moon. Yeah. See yeah. Opening ceremony.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 17: Hey. Well, I think I’m about used up on conversation luke. Okay.
Speaker 0: Great to catch up.
Speaker 17: Getting raining a little harder. It’s good to catch up with you. We’ll talk again sometime.
Speaker 0: Thanks. Sounds good, man. Take care, Badly. Alright. Take care, bro.
Speaker 23: The those rights itself bought and indeed around the country. They are a reaction to what happens. Terms to what that to those awful deaths and injuries in that dance class. It is still upsetting even to think about it. Is that absolutely awful for poor little kids in that a T swift Giant’s class.
I mean, but God’s sake. It doesn’t bear thinking about, but it’s not that in its itself that people are protesting about. It is a feeling that, , when did this sort of thing start happening in this country. And, of course, there was a lot of misinformation because police tried to keep it all secret Wouldn’t tell us who the, accused. The suspect was, and wouldn’t tell us what religion he was.
And then we… It filtered… Through, we might be part of a a family of rowan and immigrants. Yeah. And so on and so forth, it wasn’t…
The the the protest was partly based on that partly based on why is this now happening in our country. And as I say, K and Yvette cooper are either deliberately avoiding the central issue, which isn’t that just a few far bugs are causing trouble are seizing this opportunity. It is that Although, millions of decent law abiding citizens, of course would never condone the methods those, thugs used in South port, they… At the same time, they do agree with the reasons for those protests. And that’s what this government must confront.
Otherwise, there’s no way out of this.
Speaker 26: A hundred percent and I find it very entertaining to watch the fact that so many other protesters they get so much nuance. So it’s not everybody it’s just a small fraction fashion, , they’re doing the anti semitic chance of the Palestinian marches. Oh but this not everybody’s a fuck. I mean, that it is apps… It is very clear for the language of the dominion that this is done deliberately.
It is a clear distraction and it has to be we have to continue to call it out because you’ve got to force the government to confront this. But the reality is they won’t confront it because they don’t know how to tackle it because for too long, people like Yvette cooper, and kissed hammer have handed to them up. Let’s not forget K sam took the knee in front of an own front of a right. Essentially that’s what he did. And once you’ve done that, you had it.
The next right we’ll just walk all over here. He has no authority here anymore. Neither does the police because again, spend most of the time driving around in Rainbow colored. Police cars. It’s ridiculous.
You wonder why this stuff happens it’s because of institutional decline. It’s these things that hold us together. Things I palm he thinks at the courts of the police and everything, and everything else that have just chipped away at trust and lied towards us a nick try to manipulator, and we just don’t trust anything anymore. That and we living with the consequence
Speaker 0: Okay. So I subscribed to Mark Hal, and he just sent out an email. He’s gonna do a live show at 3PM Weston time. He wants to talk about the vetting process, not of the Vp prospects but a kamala Harris, and her husband to the Origin of the efforts to stop Josh Shapiro from being on the ticket as Kamala vice presidential nominee, the latest on the beef stakes and the Trump campaign and the latest poor results.
Speaker 26: So that is the people trying to protect the liberal institutions. I brought this about it is People like k that has brought the rights to the Uk.
Speaker 23: And, , he’s quite right. , the muslim community is deserve protection. Their masks should not be attacked about to actually bring them in that speech. Yeah. I think was very un wiser of him because, as I say, he’s sort of trying to turn this into a sort of small incident.
I’m gonna protect you from these far right thugs. We don’t feel threatened by these far right drugs. I mean, yeah, they’ll turn up now and again, throw a few bricks and throw wheel bins at the cops and get drunk off. We don’t feel threatened by that.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 23: We feel threatened by the people who go into dance laws and stab kids death. We feel threatened by potentially what many people feel is the kind of islam ratification of this country, and the way that people like S and Cooper, cow out to that community while seemingly des disposing the community of white working class feed.
Speaker 26: A hundred percent is the bigotry of low expectations and it is nothing but sn. People like And Event for most of the cabinet really looked down on the working that’s because they don’t care about them, and they never have done. I mean, I would love to know how many the cabinet actually point to south on a map before this happened. Yeah. I’d love to know that.
Speaker 28: Yeah. And, by the way Y, but
Speaker 23: why did he like football
Speaker 34: Hoo goods
Speaker 23: again, social is sn. So sn. And by the way, so you’re group special police squad cares anyway. They probably won’t do anything now.
Speaker 26: They’re gonna use technology band in air is used by Russia and China abandon most of Europe.
Speaker 23: Yeah Because guys. Yeah. Facial recognition. Technology. I don’t know if you notice here at South ports and in all these ways, they tend to wear masks.
Yeah. It’s ridiculous. So either either, they are deliberately fighting shy and of the truth. Yeah. Or they are even more frightening, genuinely delusional.
They don’t get it.
Speaker 26: I I actually what. I part of it thinks It might be
Speaker 0: I love the comment in the chat about getting the band back together again. So have for empathy now for for bands that break up. Because a lot of relationships are just fine at a subtle certain level of distance. But when they become particularly close, then they become more fraught and times change, circumstances change, so there all sorts of very strong self interested reasons why people drop out from participating on a live stream.
Speaker 26: We both. Look Just just because it’s this government. III honestly I cannot believe just how bad this has gone for them so early on. I think we could officially say the honeymoon is over. I think after this.
And I mean, I have seen some bad readings of rooms and, , we’re working in strategy, but this is absolutely study whoever wrote that speech should never be a whole politics ever again. That was 1 of the worst things I apologize. I think it’s ever read out. It was absolutely wrong at every single mark. It just failed to actually get to the emotion of that community.
And of, end of the country, , it what happened was beyond shocking, and he’s talking about football Hoo. It was pathetic. And that’s… In fact, it was insulting. It was a downright insulting to the people south by of those families.
Yeah. It really was.
Speaker 23: People are furious because… Yeah, as I can, I keep stressing this? No. Was concerning these riots. Though, , violent attacks on the police and all that.
But people saw that, , and they don’t… They would never react in the same way. But what those jobs were protesting about is exactly what millions of people around this country are protesting about in a far more. But civil civilized law abiding weight. They are really what.
Speaker 0: So life, think about how much more difficult life is becoming for 100 Iq you fellow citizens. Right? Think about the efforts that you may have gone through to get health insurance, or to get unemployment insurance or to get a a passport or to get driver’s license or the complicated hoops that you have to read through and you likely have a hundred and 20, hundred and 30 Iq and these bureaucratic transactions just seem to be get ever more difficult. Right. We we need a government that makes transactions with the government, and with with getting a mortgage, much simpler.
Right? Businesses take advantage of you, particularly say getting a mortgage in that they lard into the mortgage agreement, or source complicated things. You don’t understand, and then you’re on the hook for them. So Elizabeth Warren is not totally wrong. Right?
We need an Elizabeth Warren to this type of person to make all sorts of basic transactions simpler so that 85 90, 95 100 Iq, members of, our our nation are able to navigate government and bureaucracy and also private companies such as mortgage companies. We need the the complications and the unnecessary technicalities like, driven out, and replace with clarity and shorter simpler forms.
Speaker 23: Sorry. What they’re worried about is that the sensible and moderate country that they grew up in is somehow being lost. And 2 tier kia. Mh. I mean, there’s no doubt, there are stark differences in the way, the police approach, for example, that mainly ethnic nick riot in leads or, sorry.
You get on it. We’ll come back in about 4 hours. You’ve smashed the town up here, , don’t worry about it.
Speaker 26: I was seeing some community leaders people unnamed and elected and nobody really knows who
Speaker 23: exactly community leads they’re definitely self appointed. And the other, demonstration protest that was not really pleased very much at all. Of course, when the other angry Muslim mob just descended if on Ro police station as a result of the beating of those cops at manages manchester to Airport by the W glad. I think it’s day 11. Now day 11, but and still, no charges.
After we saw specifically on film 2 guys. We know their brothers beating the hell out of serving police officers raining down punches. 1 of them are woman, broke her nose, blood everywhere, 3 officers had to go to hospital, no charges yet. Why? Now, let me just put this question in the air.
You guys give me a call. Let me know what you think And find out what Pete thinks. Is it? Is it because Manchester police, are fro that if they charge these 2 brothers, Muslims, there might be secretary in trouble.
Speaker 26: Oh, without a shadow of dutch. They are absolutely paralyzed with fear. And that that’s just a fact. Because they know that if there ever was a false scale. Right?
The police would lose. Yeah. We’re with without without shadow of a doubt. I mean, this is the reality of it. And I…
I have this theory in politics. So for every action, there’s an equal opposite reaction. So if you’ve pan to 1 side for so long, The other side is gonna get really annoyed about him. And then there gotta rise up. Which And, yeah.
I I think a lot of this was very predictable. It was a matter of when and not if. Yeah. It was like, what would be the straw the brakes the camel back. And it turns out that , when sending your kids to a dance A party thing.
Becomes a kind of active bravery in the United Kingdom. There is something wrong. That is the reality. We’re doing something so simple. It becomes a, , a threat to your family, there is there is something I’m wrong at the heart of the.
Speaker 23: Yeah. That’s right. There’s something sick in the in the state of Britain, and this government doesn’t seem to understand it. And, by the way, Friday night. So this is when Kia takes the night off.
You’re not taking the night off tonight. You better not. God. That he
Speaker 26: gets this spend Friday Seriously.
Speaker 23: Seriously. We’ve got of calls coming in.
Speaker 0: Okay. So in judaism, there’s a notions notion that life takes precedence over all Jewish laws, including The Sa, except for for 3. So in this sort of situation, right, you’re in government, you’re in law enforcement, right? Judaism would mandate that you get out there to reduce risk to life.
Speaker 5: What is going on in the world at at present, and frankly, the big story in time is the unrest. That’s been taking place. Last night, it was the turn of Sun. Mh. And some of the footage coming out of seller was upsetting really because look, I’m not gonna join the chorus was sa star finger pointing and name calling because he doesn’t get it.
Speaker 33: Doesn’t get.
Speaker 5: He doesn’t get it. But at the same time, the problem with this. Is those people who wreck it for everybody else they who did join and wants a sort of peaceful protest and have their voices heard because nobody has been listening to them for decades, now, decades. But when it turns into su van, burning cars, burning police stations, it actually gives the opposition, it gives governments, the rights to then ignore us. It actually helps them say this is nothing but thugs.
Speaker 36: Yeah. And, , 2 things can be true the same time. . That, , you can have this which none of us can. , what’s the point of burning up our infrastructure when we’ve got no money and that’s causing the problem.
And we need more police and more police cars and more police stations the and here we are destroying them. That’s absolutely a apparent and ridiculous and defeating the actual issue hand. But at the same time, it can also be true that there are there is a massive group of people in this country who feel completely ignored. Nobody’s listening to them. And Kia did not help that with his speech in the week where he completely ignored the issue.
Yeah. Did not excel that there was an issue. I’m blamed everything on the far right. I mean, you and I far right now, obviously, because everybody’s far
Speaker 5: right I need to invent a new term for me, if the rest of population is far right. I sort I don’t know where I’m at this. Exactly.
Speaker 36: And this is because the century is no longer the century.
Speaker 0: Right. When 50 percent of the population is far right is are they still far right?
Speaker 36: The century is now far left. So if the century is far left
Speaker 0: And you’re getting this kind of visceral conversation because these people aren’t on the radio in the Uk. Alright? They’re on Youtube, they’re online and so they can say more. They can… Deal with more of reality.
They can dispense more truth than if they had to operate under Britain’s rep oppressive press and radio laws.
Speaker 36: Nelson’s he’s far right. But the
Speaker 5: thing is… I mean, look, to me, the people spoke during Brexit. They made it very clear that they were fed up with the things that came with Gl. They were fed up with wage compression. They were fed up with feeling like our government didn’t really have any control and just wanted to delegate powers to una people in in higher authorities, but they were also fed up with open borders.
That was very clear.
Speaker 23: Very clear.
Speaker 5: And that was, , coming up to almost 6 years ago now. Is to 20 16 So 20 24. That coming up… Yeah. That 8 years ago?
This this vote happened. And what did we see in the alt aftermath of that 4 years of po the political establishment trying to turn it.
Speaker 0: And didn’t the the government, this is War Riley riding on Twitter. And as far as protecting mosques. Right? Home secretary in the United Kingdom announced emergency security for all masks across the country. Isn’t this explicitly what Britain and Canada refused to do for churches and synagogue during black lives matter, unrest.
Right, protect them with government fighters ready to kill riders. So the government is taking sides in these conflicts. Right? They’re deploying the police for for partisan. Pro muslim advantage.
So then the police will will likely become the target of patriots, and
Speaker 36: then trying to not listen
Speaker 5: deliver. They been not it already happened. Yeah. They would actually trying to reverse it trying to smack down the people having had the audacity city to vote
Speaker 36: The stupid people. Yeah. , the stupid people who. The the thugs, the far right, who didn’t know what they were voting for, who were racist. That’s me because I voted to leave, , they tried really, really hard not listen, and they almost haven’t listened because we have open borders more or less.
Speaker 5: Well, they they not only haven’t listened, but if you look at current in with migration statistics. Let’s park the votes for now. But when it grossing over a million people per year. Yeah. I’ve got a population of 68000000.
This is a huge demographic,
Speaker 0: Right. That’s insane to be taken in over a million people of year but with a base population of 68000000.
Speaker 5: Change. This is basically cultural van. Yeah. And I don’t think it’s far right or racist.
Speaker 0: Just please don’t call it replacement. Please.
Speaker 5: It’s to say that when you have a country that you’ve been brought up in. When you’ve been part of building this progressive tolerant society. To be proud of, exactly sort of thing that you’d would imagine is attracting so many people to come here. But then you don’t get to share in the spoils of it. Mh.
And did you watch it changing radically before you’re very eyes.
Speaker 36: At dis disintegrate. This integrated. That all services have disintegrate. Doesn’t matter where you look,
Speaker 12: you look at the hours if you
Speaker 36: look at Gps if you look at a e If you look at the public sector, the roads education, Yeah. Nothing is working.
Speaker 5: Like, And where are these sort of complications taking place? I’ll tell you where. They’re taking place? In communities that are on the sharp end of this. Yeah.
People who and it’s all very well for the middle class middle aged white women, usually. Moaning about everyone being weighing fifth the all and far right, they live in the leafy villages. They don’t have an issue with men following them ban harassing them. They don’t have an issue with losing their jobs to a later people who are come in from a different country.
Speaker 36: They also quite enjoy their cleaners who are working at minimum wage or less. , they’re they’re they’re builders who are undercut trades, who have trained a live live here of their lives. Yeah. Know, they enjoy all of those perks without having any of downside.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Their high street is probably the local post office The village shop some yummy mummy cafe again builds bakery with a live n mp.
Speaker 36: No way by the way do not use gale. They you no longer take
Speaker 5: To me the embodiment of pure evil. But apparently the person who says up wales as a Brexit. So but not. But but but the problem is they they are so detached from the world, in which the vast majority of people live, and they because they live in their la chamber, but in their dinner party and they go to their work and they sit to the desk nexus to some wonderful people who’ve mall around the world who come here with Western values and a great education. They think that this is reality for everybody and have no worries idea that they’re basically in the top privilege 5 percent of the country, and everybody else is on the shelf end of this.
Speaker 36: Yes. Absolutely. And , you only need to look around the country to see that what happens when Mo tourism fails, which it has in this country now is you just get collections of ghetto silos. , we’ve seen in London we had age ages before these points, the babies were murdered in South. We saw in London in White chapel riots.
Where cars were being over overturned fives are being started, not riots by far right thugs. Right by the local muslim population and sympathy the people in bangladesh right.
Speaker 5: Exactly. Something happened in Bangladesh, Bangladesh she community k out 6 street zinc created Hull balloon. And what? I put the blame at this all the way back at the beginning of these Pro Palestine Marches because that was okay. We mustn’t condemned them this rest.
Speaker 36:
Speaker 5: 1 should be arrested. This is just people’s natural weight to protest. Well, what? People have watched this taking place weekend after weekend after weekend, They’ve seen people wearing those scarves. They’ve seen people carrying banners with Arabic writing on.
They’ve heard people shouting in harder. They’ve had people shouting from the rivers. To the sea. They’ve seen this on the streets of the United Kingdom thought I don’t recognize that. And I don’t understand frankly what I have to do with the foreign policy decision of a country in the Middle East of Wit the Uk has no say is taking no part.
Speaker 0: And of
Speaker 5: course, all these people are gobbling up misinformation online, Iranian backed propaganda. The suggesting that tens of thousands are being killed, Suggesting that we’re selling weapons to Israel. All of these nonsense that these people on these marches using to just by going out on these March is doing the bidding of a hostile regime that Frankly wants to undo us and our communities,
Speaker 36: but they didn’t go out and in March when Ass was killing a hundred thousand of his own women children amended did they. Go. They didn’t go out and protest went 2000000 Muslims.
Speaker 25: They’re not
Speaker 5: doing age right now for Ukraine. No. They’re not going out right now for what’s going on in
Speaker 36: somalia in asian Camps china. Yeah. With Muslim people in it. , they’re not doing it it’s just because it’s Israel.
Speaker 5: But, yeah, and it was basically because this is spring fair.
Speaker 0: Right. If it’s done by white people then they react in outrage.
Speaker 5: And by bot farms in Iran popped up bot farms in China, in Russia, we’re all…
Speaker 0: Alright. This is, Amanda Alexander. She explained in this 20 23 essay talking about revolutionary war and the West, So… They were traditionally rules of war, but they if soldiers who fight in uniform. Right?
Islamic terrorists do not fight in uniform, Hamas, does not fight in a uniform, Hezbollah ballot does not fight in a uniform, Therefore, if your entity does not exceed to the Geneva conventions, then you don’t get any rights by the traditional theory of war. But now the the overwhelming number of nations in United Nations support this lenin theory that anything you do against quote unquote imperial, typically, meaning the superior the Power of world European based countries. Right? Anything you do against that is bliss and anything that the European countries European based countries do in response to your acts of terror must be severely constrained. Right, this is the new legal framework for international humanitarian law, if you’re into human rights.
If you’re into the laws of war, Right? You now have the Vie kong narrative has been successfully adopted by a Palestinians and other Islamic terrorists. Who feel 0. With regard to human rights, they have no moral obligations, yet, the overwhelming number of nation states in the world, sides with them that they have no obligations in how they fight back, against European credit unquote imperial, while, any nation that wants to defend itself such as Israel must be severely hampered in how they try to defend themselves and how they try to protect themselves against this Islamic terrorism
Speaker 5: being played. , the Chinese are very good at controlling their own people when it comes to social media. It barely exists. They’re also very good are controlling us with social media. And that is a huge parts of what’s going on right now.
And I suggest its high time government started talking about this sen and properly.
Speaker 12: And part Okay.
Speaker 0: That will do it for now. I’ll talk to you guys later. Bye bye.