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Podnotes AI transcript: Speaker 1
Good day. Mate 40 here. So I got a question I’m asking for a friend. Is it is it safe to go outside on June tenth? Because when I try to Google this this question, I I don’t get much much help.
Alright? Is it safe to go outside? On June in Los Angeles, and what I see are a bunch of events getting canceled for for safety reasons. Like why the heck are all these June teeth vents getting canceled for safety reasons that that doesn’t make me feel like celebrating? So festivals was getting canceled all sorts of places and events are canceling their June tenth celebrations.
Alright. So how do I stay safe on June tenth? Right? There’s nothing. Right?
You put it into Google. There’s nothing about how to stay safe on June. Right Put it into Youtube. Right, safe. Be priority.
Okay. Safety your priority.
Have a safe space for kids, protect yourself, protect your family. Akron cancel city events this weekend do to have safety concerns.
What that?
Speaker 3
So it was a sad and very frustrating day for many in the akron community. June team celebrations were scheduled throughout the day bun none took place. They were all called off. Because last night, city officials made the last minute decision to cancel all large public events this weekend, due to safety concerns. And now event organizers and city officials are working to see how much loss can be recovered.
Speaker 4
This is devastating, . This this this hurts my heart, all the effort that is put into this event. This is all the children who aren’t here right now.
Speaker 3
F Sutton in tears as she looks over an empty stone Hawkins park, where the Akron black coalitions annual June tenth festival should have been happening today. 6 months worth of planning unfulfilled Friday night, Mayor Sham Malik announced the cancellation of 11 public events this weekend. Sharing a letter he received from 8 Akron council members asked seeing that the weekend’s ends June teen celebrations be canceled with tension still high over the June second mass shooting that left 1 dead in 27 others injured at a party.
Speaker 4
When I have more than half of akron City council saying that these events are are irresponsible, I have to weigh that too.
Speaker 3
The mayor stressing that there was no credible threat, but he wanted to take the letter seriously. Fe and her c organizer Matthew Tally, now expressing their nation over the loss of an important cultural moment and the tens of thousands of dollars that their events vendors will lose.
Speaker 2
Things like that happen. They happen happened everywhere they happen often, not just in akron but all over the country. Nobody else cancels their community events because of poor behavior at a private house party.
Speaker 3
Today, Akron City council released a statement saying that they did not asked the mayor to cancel all large public events this weekend, but only June tenth ones concerned over the quote, in equity of the police staff ratio for the different events. 3 news asked the city of Akron for a response to this, and they told us that city officials quote worked hard this past week to ensure there was…
Speaker 1
Okay. So why why is it? So much concerned about? Safety issues aren’t on June 10. Doug got it.
I mean, I just put June tenth crime into
Speaker 1
Its June celebration at Old Settlers Park located at 13 71 Harold Parkway. At approximately 10, 50 p…
Speaker 1
Killed in a shooting June thirteenth
Speaker 2
between 2 groups. Sad. During that altercation, someone produced a gun and began to fire.
Speaker 1
Okay. Suspect the
Speaker 2
options were hit.
Speaker 1
Oh, got it, man. What the come
Speaker 2
back in here to live now from v. I do wanna bring you an update out of round rock, Texas, at a shooting that killed 2 people and injured. 6 others at this park over the weekend for more on this is Squad Fox 7 team they’re
Speaker 1
the tax man
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for the latest time.
Speaker 1
Oh, this is supposed be a celebration.
Speaker 2
Round rock police chief Allen Bank says this June celebration was supposed to bring the community together. Now the community is mourning after the mask. Shooting left 2 people dead and multiple people injured. The city of Round Rock June celebration ended early Saturday night, After an altercation broke out between 2 groups. During the altercation, someone pulled a gun and fired it during the concert.
Speaker 2
It is unfortunate that we’re here celebrating.
Speaker 1
Crazy see.
Speaker 2
A wonderful event and we have a tragedy that happens. My thoughts, my prayers go out to our victims. My condolences go out to the families of the deceased.
Speaker 2
Round Rock police chief Allen Bass confirmed during Sunday Morning’s press conference, 2 people died on scene. According to Austin Travis County Ems, 4 adults and 2 children were taken to local hot With potentially serious injuries.
Speaker 2
All the victims and the deceased were not emergency personnel or first responders. They were actually… Folks that were there enjoying the concert.
Speaker 2
Chief bank says at this time, the round rock police department and the Fbi are investigating this mass shooting.
Speaker 2
You can imagine, and was the traumatic incident like this, people are gonna have different, accounts of what happened and different accounts of what that suspect might have looked like. And so this is why it’s an ongoing…
Speaker 1
Right. This is, guys. This is not what June tenth is supposed to be all about. And, this is Cray cray. What the heck man?
This is supposed to be a celebration. This is supposed to elevate black self esteem instead you have all these safety concerns and and crimes, and I mean, oh my god. What’s the appropriate way for a white person to celebrate June? At June tenth Or white Party Hu Baltimore by the Black Boat Association. Oh, man.
This sounds awesome. Cut out the music bro. Black Boat Association. Alright. They know how to party right?
Oceans 20 looks diverse. Okay. What the heck here? Alright. June tenth.
This looks interesting. People coming this caught This isn’t special. This is not the true spirit of of June 10. Right. We should become aware of human trafficking.
We should enjoy the day, but not too much because that would be white appropriation. I hear the innocent victims of the June mass shooting in Round rock, Texas. We have to get tougher on crime and hold criminals accountable. Suspect still at large. Walking away from the Twitter threat after posting June tenth Crime statistics.
Gay pride at the San Francisco June eighteenth parade. Very few attendees to the parade? It was dead no energy, People in the crowd which just passes by. Where’s the energy at San francisco? Gay Pride June eighth event.
What the heck? What the heck man? What the heck? Crazy day pride. President the June pride.
San francisco. Really lacks diversity doesn’t have nearly enough African Americans, keeping things lively. This is a gay pride June part. I mean, seriously, this is the best that The francisco can do, but for gay pride in June. I mean, don’t don’t let these 2 communities have a tremendous amount in common.
I mean, Surely, Julie, their common humanity should should unite them. More than divide them, but it… It’s it’s like the the gay pride in the June tenth, Biden voters. Right? They’re all Biden voters why aren’t they celebrating with much more spirit and enthusiasm.
Gosh. Man. What the heck? Alright. Good on jill stein.
Yeah. This is how I feel June tenth is our country’s second independence day, but it it’s really superior to July the fourth. Yeah. Black Asian solidarity. That’s what we need.
We need more documentaries of from. Creators. Place did not release a description of the suspect in the June tenth celebration shooting I wonder who that could be. I wonder if there’s any anything that might might help locate the the suspect. How much crime on June tenth, 70 its safety concerns.
70 many events getting canceled. My god. I I feel like we should be doing doing better as as a country. Not like this, man. This is not the spirit The true spirit.
They they failed to understand the real meaning of June tenth. Oh, this is a very pretty
Speaker 2
still on for those involved in a shooting that left. 2 people dead and possibly a dozen injured, including children. And now the Fbi is involved. Police say during the June teen celebration last night, 2 groups got into a fight, which led to the shooting. Also Travis County Ems confirms they transported 6 victims all with possibly serious injuries.
And Williamson County Ems confirmed, they transported another 6 victims. We’re told they were all innocent bystanders. It all happened at Old settlers Park, and that’s what we find Cave views. Malia Masa, Mel
Speaker 1
I I got I got a problem because I’m in love with the Tv news reader, but she only gives me bad news. Every update is gloom and doom, and I know she feels bad about it too? Too bad it’s on the order queue. Why is it gonna be like that baby? But about the bright side too.
Let’s come back tomorrow. Maybe your spin will change his soon. I’m in love with the Tv news reader. Only see her when she’s on the clock, her voice is ringing in the living room, and she’s air more nights than she’s not, but only from the waist up. Why is it gonna be like that baby?
What about the bright side too? Just come back tomorrow, maybe your spin will change its soon. Throw me to the sport and weather, make me feel better before they send it back to you. More path pieces and car chases, World and finance news. Gotta get commercial breaks in drum up the views.
I’ll be watching you. Why is it gotta be like that baby. What about the bright side too. I’m in love with the Tv news reader, but I never know what she’s gonna say. What is such a messed up place and it changes every single day.
I hope she’s gonna be okay.
Speaker 2
Malia, you were able to speak with people who were there during this very scary situation.
Speaker 1
Scary. My god.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Der. It’s been a very not. I’ve been trying to bring child to many witnesses who are here. And this morning, I was able to speak to 2 women who were here when it happened and had to lie on the ground as soon as they heard gunshots.
1 of them is actually a trauma therapist and is reminding people that if they were here and witness what happened, it’s okay to get help if they need it. Flashing lights and loud noises, but not for the reason these people wanting to celebrate June tenth expected.
Speaker 2
I was kinda like, in that is actually happening.
Speaker 2
What started off as a normal day of June thirteenth celebrations in round rock.
Speaker 1
It was just a beautiful day. Like, you saw families there. You saw kids on, like scooters and, , and day it was it was beautiful.
Speaker 2
It had a quick turnaround in the evening.
Speaker 1
And all of a sudden I just hit immediately. Immediately.
Speaker 2
Cage overland and Let agent were just feet away from the shooting that left too dead and multiple others injured.
Speaker 1
In a situation. You don’t think it’s gonna happen to you. Yeah.
Speaker 2
In the hours after it happened, they’ve been processing what they went through.
Speaker 2
It kinda changed me wanting to go out into crowds like that.
Speaker 1
Oh, that’s the worst guys, like, don’t give in to the Tv reader. Even if she’s pretty. I don’t allow it to discourage you to going to ro Jun celebrations. Like get out there. And the most important thing you can do for Biden voters, is just start touching their hair.
Because when you start touching their hair, that makes them feel appreciated and loved. That you’re, , glad to be with them that you’re celebrating with them, but you’re not per their celebration, just, like, get out there, get our public transport and start touching the hair. The best of Biden voters.
Speaker 2
Because I have grandkids? I have from the heck I just want…
Speaker 1
What’s this pretty young thing? Doing with grandkids. My god.
Speaker 2
Be there for them.
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Overland is actually a trauma therapist. But is also still feeling the effects.
Speaker 1
It’s like, survivor remorse are something, where it’s like, I feel grateful But then I feel so overwhelmingly sad because people didn’t have to lose their lives.
Speaker 1
This is a safe place for you to to… Process your your feelings. My god. So much hate out there. So much trauma.
Surely, there’s something that can bring us together is Americans. Right.
Speaker 2
Texas Children’s hospital knew that these procedures were wrong. And he did everything he could to expose what was happening to these kids, even coming here on the angle. Well, last week, Doctor Eighth Hai, came back again, saying that heavily armed Us marshals showed up at his house at 7AM to charge him with 4 felon. But there were no details. He didn’t even know exactly what he was being charged with, but we do now.
Doctor Hay made his first court appearance today, pleading non guilty, to obtaining individually identifiable health information under false pretense and then wrongfully disclosing it. But here’s the kicker. The indictment says he did it with the intent to cause malicious harm to physicians and patience, but malicious harm. Isn’t that what’s being inflicted upon these kids? Doctor Ethan Hai joins me now, Doctor Hai.
You have a baby on the way I know and you face now up to 10 years in prison, are you concerned that they’re trying to make an example out of you. Now
Speaker 3
Yeah. I think that’s exactly what’s happening. I mean, , standing in that courtroom and hearing those words, , facing up to 10 years in federal prison is terrifying. And you think about everything I can miss, , my family, the birth of my first daughter, the first few years of her life. But there’s something greater to fear and that’s the fear of not doing something.
Because the world we deliver our children into, , what kind of world is that gonna be if we don’t stand up. So we’re gonna go to federal trial. If anyone wants to help , our legal fund. It’s give saying go dot com forward slash texas underscore whistleblower. We need all the help we can get.
We need to fight this, We need to win because if we lose the, door closes permanently on whistleblower in the healthcare care system.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Your attorney says that you’re… That you were a mandatory reporter of child abuse who reported as a whistleblower at the state of Texas when he… What you had seen in the hospital, saying this is the government going out of its way to prosecute a whistleblower. Yet.
What happens next?
Speaker 3
Well, , if there’s 1 thing I would say, it’s that the charges, they’re alleging are, as un unfinished and divorced from reality as the transgender interventions they’re trying to cover for. , they have no basis in reality. It’s…
Speaker 2
Well, they’re saying, like, for the viewers… Hold on. Hold on, Doctor. Hai. For the viewers who don’t know the background here.
They’re saying that you went into doctor’s files and extracted information on, from those files about patients, without the authorized the authorization to do so and then use that information and unauthorized manner. I think that’s what they’re alleging
Speaker 3
Yeah. It’s they have their basic facts wrong, and it’s it’s not that, , the most powerful federal investment give agency on the planet is so incompetent to get these things wrong. You, it just vin indicates what we’ve been saying all along is that this is a political prosecution, But to answer your question, , what we what we do moving forward is we fight just like I said in the first time I was on your show back in January. We have our legal team together we have.
Speaker 1
Okay. Speaking of fighting, it looks like Israel and hezbollah Baller heading for a major conflict. So what would it? What would that look like? Okay.
It will make what’s going on in Gaza look like a Christmas party. Alright. So In the first 24 hours of a full on war between Israel and Hezbollah, you can expect probably 20000 plus dead Israelis. And probably 20000 plus dead people in Lebanon. You can expect almost all of the the major sites of Israel to get bombed, including its nuclear facilities.
Right, every part of Israel is accessible to Hezbollah bombs, and they are precision guided. Right? They can drop them where they want them. Definitely overwhelm Israel’s air defenses. So Tel aviv will be flattened.
Jerusalem will be flattened, and they’ll Hyphen will be flattened. If port will be flattened. The main airport in in Tel aviv will be flattened. Right? Is israeli industry that’s above ground will be flattened, and South Lebanon will get flattened.
Alright? So his has got about a hundred and 50000 rockets. Right? They can quickly overwhelm Israel’s. Ed defense system.
Even if the United States and other nations come to Israel’s aid. Right? Thousands of these missiles are still going to hit. Right? So Michael Are former Israeli ambassador, the United States, a scholar and an author.
He says I’ve seen estimates. What Hezbollah do to us in 3 days that are just horrendous, talking about knocking out all of Israel’s essential infrastructure by taking out all of israel’s oil refineries, air bases, Right? The country’s nuclear research facility. So Hezbollah published drone footage of Israel’s Hai port located just 17 miles from the Lebanese border. Right?
Hezbollah has good reason to feel confident that it can pierce Israel’s defenses. Right, Hezbollah is the most armed non state actor in the world. But they feel 10 times more formidable than Hamas. So Hamas came into Israel and killed 1200 Israelis, The first 24 hours of a full on Hezbollah versus Israel boy, you’ll have 20000 plus dead Israelis. Right?
Lebanon will be just bombed into the the stone age. Right? Hezbollah operates as a state within a state. In lebanon. And so Israel or target the main parts of Lebanon that go after beirut that particularly the South of Beirut where it’s so much of Hezbollah is located and Lebanon other major cities will just get pounded.
So israel defense minister, Y Goliath warned Israel war return Lebanon to the Stone age. So there’s a full on war. But Israel will be devastated, Lebanon will be devastated. Surely, Iran will get into the action then Israel will fight back against Iran and flatten. Significant parts of Iran.
That hezbollah deeply embedded in Lebanon, but the civilians have been flowing out of the South Lebanon because they understand that they are going to pay a price if they are anywhere near. Hezbollah. So Israel will want to destroy all of Hezbollah rule in Lebanon. Right? And Lebanon is dominated by Hezbollah.
So we’re talking about an awful amount of of damage. We’re talking tens of thousands. Of casualties. Right? Because right now, you’ve got 60000 Israelis displaced from the north of Israel.
So normally, the buffer zones that Israel would deploy would be inside of Lebanon, Right? Inside of other countries. But now the buffer zones are inside Israel, So the top 10 miles of Israel, people have cleared out of much of southern Israel, people of of cleared out. And major military option military operations in Gaza have apparently come to an end. So it’s just a mop up operation.
Has… Hamas has been destroyed as an organized military force according to washington a post story out of Israel So with major military options over with. Right? With with regard to Hamas and in Gaza, then surely, you’re going see Israel turning its attention now to what’s going on. With
Speaker 4
we’re gonna continue this conversation. Know. Dive in a little further with our friend Benjamin Brad, lecture of global studies over at Uc ucla lay benjamin always good to see you. Let’s talk about this point that Trey had at the end of that report saying that Alexa, the government completely collapses Nothing’s going to change until those elections are held in October, But what… Is that even a possibility for the government in Israel to collapse.
Speaker 2
It is… Yeah. It is, and thank you for having me back. It is if we have a situation where the existing members in the cabinet. But the the part of this coalition I should say, withdraw their support.
So these far right… Members, the the 2 ministers who have cabinet positions, they lead a party or 2 parties that have a sizeable number in the part. They are the ones that have allowed Netanyahu to remain in power by joining with his coalition. If they were to withdraw their support, they have threatened to do based on what netanyahu actions are in Gaza, then the government will collapse well before the 20 20 sixth October period on its own.
Speaker 4
Are we seeing it becoming more and more likely that these other members are going to withdraw their support? I mean, is that know popularity levels, even with his own parliament kind of dissolving before very eyes.
Speaker 2
Yeah. And the problem is there isn’t a consensus opposition figure that could really lead? Within push against Netanyahu who I mean, Gong has his supporters, and there others as well. But what you really need is somebody from maybe within the could, who is younger, different mindset Netanyahu yahoo who could offer alternative that would appeal and appease the appeal 2 and appease, the existing crude the the conservative voters and their their block. Alternative somebody up netanyahu.
So we’re not seeing that yet Now to your original question of is it likely that those 2 ministers might depart. They’ve been threatening to do so, and there’s no indication that their threats are bluff, They very much our Id laws. They are prepared to meet the government allowed to collapse and remain loyal to the physicians that health.
Speaker 1
Okay. So this is from 23 hours ago.
Speaker 4
And we’ve already seen it with ben again. So clearly, it’s something that is possible to have him once again. Let’s get back to that big news and netanyahu Announcing that he has dissolved his work cabinet. Making that announcement earlier today, how is this going to affect cease ceasefire negotiations going forward?
Speaker 2
Well, it’s a formality with the departure of 2 ministers including Gh, the cabinet is all but nonexistent existent anyway. And so it was really just I, it’s sort of a shell of an entity at this point. And as far as this he’s 5 negotiations are concerned, that Was made it clear that he dictates the tone and tenor of these. Negotiations and the negotiation process. We know that the last overt literature made by the United States that probably fourteenth to nothing Un vote in its favor was essentially re buff by Hamas or returned by Hamas with conditions that made it un undo.
So at this point, I believe that Netanyahu ability to engage in these negotiations. They can proceed as they have Been. The United States it’s doing its part to present proposals offer proposals to the international community to the people of Gaza, to the arab of supporters in a way that would would check off the boxes that both sides really want to see checked off. The question becomes, can they get Hamas leadership in Gaza
Speaker 1
So what what’s striking when you watch a news coverage and you listen to the Biden administration is that the It seems like the primary concern or very close to the primary concern is with the fate of civilians. And that’s unusual in history. Right? Throughout history, it’s been taken for granted that a citizen, a a resident is going to share the fate of his wider entity. But that started to change really in the last part of the 19 nineties most significantly and my favorite academic at the moment is Amanda Alexander, senior at lecturer in law at a australian Catholic University.
She wrote a terrific essay sa. But In 20 15, a short history of international humanitarian law. And she notes that international humanitarian law is imbued with the particular sense of its history. So in international humanitarian law and in religion, right, 1 of the ways that these entities like to claim the the power of what they’re doing is to attribute their beginning. , way.
Wait. Wait. File the back in history. That’s been a common literary technique to to write a document such as the Z in the thirteenth century and then attributed it to various tau sage from 1300 years ago. So it’s been a traditional way of trying to attract attention and to raise the status of a document and to raise the status of your agenda and to make it more persuasive to people if you can attribute it to going further bat and so too with human rights activists and international human and humanitarian law activists, they they like to point to this long history of codes of warfare that act str different times and cultures and just keep moving towards the the current addition of international humanitarian law.
But humanitarian law has a much shorter history than what it’s… Experts would have you believe. Right? It really only came to be in the 19 seventies. Right?
Before that, There was the hit the laws of war. But now you had this movement for human rights and then international humanitarian law. So it’s not just a shift in terminology. It’s it’s a fresh approach. It’s a new field of law.
It’s an enlarged humanitarian law, and it’s got all these new humanitarian principles. And 1 of the key developments in international humanitarian laws in 19 77, additional protocols of the geneva conventions Alright? But despite all, the things that we hear from the experts and from human rights, advocates, right, the existence and the sweep and the power of international humanitarian law remains controversial, and the principles and protocols of 19 77, Geneva conventions still very much debated. So it’s only at the very end of the twentieth century that you received a large number of practitioners of international humanitarian law. Right?
They they followed the example set by human rights organizations, which came out of the dis of left with marxism and other left wing Utopian schemes, so they had to find a way to enjoy the feelings of pursuing Utopia and it didn’t matter whether or not what they were doing made any difference in the real world. So throughout history has taken for granted that rights is something that a nation state can best upon its citizens, but there’s never been much of a of a notion of international human rights or any kind of rights outside of your particular nation state and impractical. Meaning, there aren’t rights outside of what the nation state can give you. We got this new term international humanitarian law. Right?
That was the update on the laws of war, and we got a whole new understanding of the content of this law. And what are the big changes is the principle of proportional. And the principle of proportional now means according to experts in human rights and international humanitarian law. That the well being of citizens essentially should outweigh the aims of militaries. Right?
So the development of international humanitarian law and human rights has arrived at a place where the dominant intelligent behind it, which is very much on the left. We’ll make the case that militaries have to subordinate their purposes to protect civilians. So how on earth did this come about? Alright? And it came about through publishing through agitation, through activism through very smart people, putting their mind to the work.
It came about through various individuals and organizations that had an agenda and wanted to see themselves receive more prestige more money, more income, more jobs, get on the news, publish in the New York Tires, get on Cnn, It it was it was a way to advance yourself in the world by wrapping yourself in Utopian aims, and it didn’t really matter. If what you’re doing had any difference in the real world. So People within international humanitarian law and human rights law, They they attribute a long history to the current understanding of international humanitarian law. And they make these florida descriptions of humanitarian law, and they refer to accepted narratives of international humanitarian law, which essentially assume that these have gone back for many decades, even centuries and that all the the main points for international law are agreed upon, So you’ve got 2 main stories coming from this crowd. 1 is the story of the steady human of war and law, And the second is a story of imperial and oppression, a major foundation for international humanitarian law is a communist Marxist lenin perspective.
On life where capitalists get greedy and seek to appropriate those that who are vulnerable right? People of color that become imperialist and colonize. So the orthodox history the pious history of international humanitarian law says oh, laws of war have always existed to limit the destruction of war, Right. From the ancients, the knights, the middle Ages, the j of the early modern period or testify to this concern, and it’s not just a western concern, you’ve got all these other cultures such as China, Japan, India, the Islamic world, they all have their own traditions of the rules of war. Now despite this universal concern, the attempt to limit the damage from war suffered various setbacks.
It’s only in the nineteenth century that we got this movement to cod the laws of war. And we now get modern international humanitarian law. And so you have various activists who push this forward, so you had 1 Swiss blog Henry Du, and you had a major figure in the Irish Republican army who was pushing this forward. So the pious narrative, the orthodox narrative from the human rights crusaders and the international law crusaders. Right?
The they like to con complain all these different approaches to the laws of war with modern international humanitarian laws. I say, it’s all part of the same stream. Now, earlier purchased Laws of war had almost nothing in common with modern international humanitarian law. But until Yeah. Aftermath, of World War 2 was just taken for granted that civilians will share the fate of their geographic region, their entity, their people.
And their state. So sometimes you’ll hear the pi say, yeah, international humanitarian law is new but it’s very rare for anyone in international humanitarian law to state exactly how new it is. When the term began, why the term began. Right? So what you get is a consolation of international humanitarian law and the laws of war and the pious in this crusade, use them interchangeably, but they mean completely different things.
But the is pushing this orthodox narrative of of international humanitarian law and human rights, they want to obscure the differences between laws of war and international humanitarian law. Just they wanna j this image of long traditions of humanitarian law with their own achievements of the modern age. So they wanna ride, this story of humanity for hundreds and thousands of years trying to reduce the damage of war and and see themselves as the the fullest revelation to humanity of the humane approach to more. Just like seventh the adventist. I grew out the adventist, they saw themselves as the fullest divine revelation to humanity and moments see themselves as the fullest divide revelation to humanity, and those who believe in judaism see judaism is the fullest divine revelation to humanity and Christians don’t think that they’re part of a new religion.
Right, Christianity is just the fullest divine revelation to humanity and so to with those pushing the human rights, international humanitarian or crusade. And then another he taught this story is the history of colonization. Right? The history of oppression and imperial. And so those who push international humanitarian law and beware the death of civilians in conflicts such as Israel versus Hamas in Gaza, they tend to draw on communist methodologies, Marxist methodologies, post colonial and critical methodologies, which are essentially communist methodologies.
They So they d cry history where western needs have consistently Trump humane values and exposed civilians to the violence of war, legit their suffering. So you’ll see in the most intense rhetoric against Israel’s treatment of civilians in Gaza It’s always linked to the west. The west has colonized and settled Israel. And once again, the west is exposing civilians. To to the violence of war.
So they try to get more prestige and powerful for their crusade by extending its both into the past. Right? They never get specific however, they can conceal It’s exact creation. They wanna place it in a continuum with other codes of warfare. And by deploying and relying on these dishonest histories, Lawyers and human rights activists.
Right? Try to suggest that international internationally humanitarian law has a long, long and prestigious history. And then that helps them to bolster any claim that they then want to make against the war usually to undercut western nations fighting back, against third world terror. So those who want to advocate international humanitarian law and bring awareness to the civilian suffering in Gaza. Will say, look, the these laws of war well established.
Right? This international humanitarian law. It goes back centuries. It’s It’s una. It’s just obvious.
It it’s part of a long tradition. No decent person disagrees with us. So they claim and establish history. They claim universal moral validity, transcend moral validity. They train authority and status for the field, say it just can’t be refute.
Now, those who want to attack or change in national humanitarian law. Right? They will note more specifics. Alright? When it developed where it developed, how it developed, who was who was driving it forward?
Note prior to the 19 sixties, the term international humanitarian law was not used. Alright? It was not part of the field of law. In the term just started to be used in the 19 sixties, but it was not about law. Right?
It was a ideological and cry from the heart type of dialogue. It didn’t refer to real wars. So the laws of war are a completely different type of language and legal system compared to international humanitarian law. So laws of war took it for granted that the primary concern for attacking forces would be their military objectives, not the well being of civilians. It was taken for granted, the civilians would have to suffer the fate of their nation in their state.
So It was taken for granted until 19 sixties 19 seventies that ob is justified in applying any amount of force, in starvation, which is necessary for the realization of the purpose of the war, meaning the over powering of the opponent, which is completely different to how Israel’s War and Gaza put out. In much of the mainstream media and among the most el people talking about the war in gaza you’ll hear that there’s starvation in Gaza. Now, as a reporting the jerusalem post pointing out that sufficient aid has been reaching Gaza, that if people in Gaza are starving, has nothing to do with Israel or Egypt. Right? There’s sufficient aid getting into Gaza, right?
It it would only be Hamas who is stopping people in Gaza from getting food. But a major talking point by those opposed to what Israel’s is doing in Gaza is that gaza are getting started. But throughout history, this would just be taken for granted. Right? That justified in applying any amount in any degree in any type and any kind of force to realize the purpose of their war.
And the second principle of the law of war is a principle of humanity which holds that unnecessary forms of violence. Right? Violence that is not essential for the defeat of a bell is not permitted. But Israel’s obviously gone into Gaza to wipe out hamas. And so traditionally, anything that Israel needed to do.
To reach its aim of wiping out her hamas was considered acceptable and awful and humane. So they were t to weak, humanitarian laws protecting civilians and civilization. But only to the degree, they did not interfere with military imperatives. Throughout history it’s been taken for granted that military imperatives, what’s going to rule all considerations in the operation of war. And so The laws of war would just try to make things a little easier for people after accepting that militaries will put their own agenda.
Right? Their own purpose in what launching war that that has to come come first. Right. So prior to the 19 sixties and seventies, laws of war would adapt themselves to the reality of war. And they would leave free military necessity.
Right? And so the laws of war would only provide the most poultry humanitarian protection non combative. So the suffering our civilians in Gaza would not have attracted much attention prior to World War 2. There was just no legal but intellectual activist framework for being obsessed with the civilian sufferers of a a war. Right?
It’s just taken for granted that they would remain exposed to bombardment, starvation and re p, particularly if they took arms up against the enemy. And such restrictions as they were in the laws of war, they only applied to when all parties to a conflict were bound. And Israel and Hamas Right? And not bound to anything. And Israel and Hamas have not signed off on any Geneva conventions or humanitarian laws.
So much of the criticism of Israel on the matter of human rights even before its invasion of Gaza was that it didn’t accord the same rights to non citizens as it accord to citizens. Right The criticism is that Israel does not extend the same rights. The people in Gaza, people in the West bank who we’re not citizens of Israel that they extend to their own citizens. But no country extends the same rights to non citizens as they do to their own people. So 1 of the big blokes in the development of international humanitarian law was a terrorist.
Alright? Sean Mcbride. Right? He became secretary general of the International Commission of J. And he was a chief of staff, the Irish Republican, Army, and he was a cofounder of Amnesty embassy International.
Right? So he’s a chief of staff for a terror group, and then he becomes a cofounder of Amnesty embassy International, and the leader of the International commission of Jurors. And he was very busy lobbying non governmental organizations, Ngos and governments about 1 particular issue very close to his heart, right he had a long standing interest in prisoners. And in d degradation of Armed conflict, Right? That people he knew had suffered during the various Irish rebellions against the British.
So Joe Mcbride, Right. Chief of staff at the Irish Republican army, this terror operation, but he felt badly about how the Irish had suffered when they went to war with the British. And so he pursued his agenda. He wanted an ad… He wanted to advocate for the expansion of human rights for people who are trying to kill.
A military pursuing its job. So he got going in the 19 sixties. Right? So guy, he was a leading terrorist. Right he now becomes the cofounder of Amnesty international and this major leader of the international commission of J.
So people from the second world and third world generally had very different considerations. Compared to those of the first world. You had the international committee of the Red Cross became heavily involved. So After World war 2, the international committee of the Red cross tried to increase its power and prestige like most activist groups, most activists always eager to increase their power and prestige just like the rest of us.
Speaker 2
Specifically. Yeah. Dustin in war. It’s military leader. To to agree to these firms.
And that’s where it doesn’t matter whether there’s a war tab in or Netanyahu yahoo favors this or that. Ultimately, if young wife from us as opposed to element of video. It’s not going into anywhere Regardless this anyone else’s to support.
Speaker 4
And then kinda putting him off on the back burner for right now Ebola becoming a bigger bigger figure when it comes to this warp. We’ve actually heard from Israeli officials warning that the country is on the brink of a full out war with Hezbollah. In terms of what that timeline looks like. What do they mean when they say? A brink and how would that look going forward?
How much more stress would that cause to the?
Speaker 2
Yeah. The Idea is is stretched pretty thin as it is with a lot of its units mobilize. In Gaza, and then also a good number in the West Bank to quell any violence in uprising there. The issue really hasn’t mean these 2 have been exchanging rocket fire has allowed joined in the Hamas attack so to speak. But since October seventh it has been launching missiles and Rockets and cross border incur from the North into israel.
So none of that is new. What’s happened in the last 3 or 4 days is it really stepped up its Rockets, sending also, exploding Ko style drones in Israel. And and into parts of Israel, that are further south of the board than previously. And this is a
Speaker 1
back onto the show, David, we’re looking more and more likely that we’re gonna have some… Major escalation in the Middle East looks more and more inevitable that Israel’s is going to enter an all out war with Hezbollah, any any thoughts?
Speaker 2
Yeah. I’m not sure that’s the case. I mean, there’s the tough rhetoric that, Israel needs to give. Any , you were talking about international law humanitarian, but then there’s also the opposing narrative, that, your, for its region for, you, certain of its international partners, Israel needs to convey strength, and it doesn’t necessarily matter to be moral. So, like, there’s the message that they’re trying to portray in the West and at the international court, and that’s almost completely opposite the message that they’re trying to, portray to their arab neighbors or even globally, which is, , basically just a message of strength and, , saying you wanna a team with a winner.
Your the question military then, you, becomes more logistically on the ground. And , I I was talking on on my week and review the the other night. And saying, I think Hamas Hezbollah prepared not only for Israel to go all out against them, but they prepared even if the Us were to join, and you think, like, , the tunnel, the tunnel networks the bombs, and , they have a survival strategy and, like, Hezbollah is largely a creation of palestinian refugees, know, from, like, air fat or different errors, and it’s much different and more difficult. Like, if you imagine Mean, there’s element of going to war against Lebanon. So if you compare the, you, Israel versus Gaza, it would be more like going to war against Lebanon.
But if you looked at it, Israel versus a mass, Israel versus hezbollah below would be basically just going against the tunnel network without actually the civilian areas. And, , so there’s the question, logistically, what could, even if it was America, know, even, , you’re just thinking Israel with all the might of its army, even if it was America with all the might of the American Army, could they actually defeat Hezbollah? And , what does it mean to defeat Hezbollah, and the unfortunate reality, , just like Gaza is eventually, You have to boots on the ground, and in order to win with boots on the ground, you’re gonna take extreme losses. And you could try to bomb and bomb and bomb and kill as many as people as possible. But some of those people are gonna live, And if they have the will to fight to hold on to the territory.
Eventually, you’re gonna have to put boots on the ground, and then you’re gonna sustain extremely large casualties even with… Asymmetric warfare, and that’s why Israel’s had such problems in Gaza, I heard John Spencer. Do file John Spencer sometimes,
Speaker 1
No. I don’t think so.
Speaker 2
I mean, he’s very popular he’s on, like, Cnn. And, he’s, like, the West point professor. Who who who , kind of pioneered the field of urban combat. But he’s extremely pro israel and , borderline like Has, talking points. And, he was just on Jordan Peterson sims and, maybe the Hoover Institute, , he’s been making the rounds.
Okay. But you, say, like, Urban warfare wasn’t really a known field like, generally, you don’t want to be stuck in urban warfare because it’s a a lose lose battle. And , so if if you’re taking this eventual position, can Israel win outputting boots on the ground. And, , 1 thing It may depend what you mean by victory. They could destroy a lot of the opponent, but you can’t actually conquer and hold and occupy the land without putting boots on the ground.
And once you put boots on the ground, you’re susceptible to large amounts of casualty, even from, your primitive armies. And so Hamas Hezbollah, I think they prepared for, , not only what Israel’s is doing right now. I think they prepared for even more what Israel’s doing. They probably even prepared… For the scenario that the American army would fully support and go to war on behalf of Israel.
So that’s probably how much they prepared for in terms like the tunnel networks. And hezbollah blow in, like, the rockets, and then you get into some form of mutually assured destruction And, , for the gaza point of view because they don’t have that much weaponry. The mutually assured destruction is just… You’re not gonna be able to take this land. They could kill a whole bunch of people, you, , the the ploy of international human rights or the international court.
But even just mil military that even if there was no international human, human rights or international community coming to the aid of Gaza, and Israel and the American army were completely teamed up. Still, it might take decades to hold out that they would be able to hold out just mil momentarily because, you, , if, if you wanna occupy the land and eventually send civilians to living there. You gotta get rid of every single last 1 of them, and, you, with their tunnel network and training for urban warfare there. They might be able to hold out 10 years. And then He is a in completely different beast.
So 1 thing because they’re in mountains in a much larger range, and and they have significantly better weapons. So, , most of the experts, you, just… You kinda like, if it became Armageddon and they hit all their buttons. , it’s seen today where they… Hezbollah released the drone footage over Hai is that Hezbollah could probably kill upwards of a hundred thousand Israelis.
And so then you have to, like, , it’s basically becoming a bluff of of mutually assured destruction, like Israel, well, , if they have a nuclear bomb, , could they even drop it or, , and and not not only, like, okay, The bombs. Like, if Israel just, , starts bombing and bombing and bombing. And, , and then he sends all their weapons. Is it worth israel taking a hundred thousand casualties too so to say defeat, , hamas and Hezbollah once and for all. And then, , as I just mentioned.
So just bombing them into Oblivion, doesn’t actually work. So, , let alone if Hezbollah spent all its moms, and however, much damage that would cause in Israel, they would still actually have to do a ground invasion. And the ground invasion would probably take a decade. And , so some of the more sober minded people in Israel, you, like Benny Gan said, this is gonna be a generational war. , mean say, like, you, the the complete elimination of a mass in Gaza, we’ll take at least 10 years.
And , so, , then you get back to, like, the multiple true hypothesis says, where you have to send multiple different messages to multiple different parties. And so, , israel is probably failing at that game. And then, , like, there’s the… What message are you gonna send to the israelis. You’re gonna send to the Israelis that, like, , we can do this we could win.
We could defeat, , we could have, , zion dream forever and permanently defeat Hamas and Hezbollah, it’s gonna take 10 years, and it might cost hundreds of thousands of Israeli life, but it’s worth it. So instead of being, , straightforward, but which some Israelis have been, , you lied to your own public. And you mislead them of expectations. , like like, Tomas hamas was supposed to be defeated already, by, , January. And then to America, like, , just the lying of expectations, which, , tends to backfire virus.
I think Israel is an extreme danger and this way like Netanyahu, you who’s a politician, and and he’s basically saying everything to everybody. And, , now it’s coming home to roost. And if Netanyahu goes, it can move in 2 directions, , 1, like diplomat and, , israel’s only way out is through diplomacy It’s gonna make concessions. Or an even more mil person who’s gonna be, like, no. The only way out of this is through pure military victory,
Speaker 1
yeah. I wanna keep keep discussing Israel with you, but well well, I think of it, Do you have any t reputation about June tenth? Would you have any t reputation about going outside or going to June tenth events do you do you associate a decrease in safety with June tenth or what what’s your attitude towards June tenth that… And I do wanna get back to israel, but What while this is on the top of my mind, June tenth is tomorrow. It’s a national holiday.
It’s a it’s also a state holiday in many states, any thoughts do?
Speaker 2
I don’t really go to events like that anyways. So, like, even my neighbor would maybe people at Barbecue or something. I don’t think anyone would invite me. So if I was gonna go to, like, outdoor gathering with mostly African Americans. A lot of people are gonna be earned because say, like, African Americans, you, you, may be rightfully.
So you look at, , like, the practical after African American perspective, interesting saying. These people don’t like us. They don’t want us hear. The only thing that keeps them safe is their guns. So so say, like, even in my area, upper middle class, African American area, a lot of people relatively educated.
If someone made in our a barbecue, there would be a lot of guns there a lot of people would, , have concealed weapons. And it’s remotely possible, , even , there was a shooting, , near my house, , a few weeks ago happens regular. I’m not sure about Gym team. But so I would be unlikely to go to any event, like, that period of any sort. I mean, even, like, a Jewish event, there might…
I, I wouldn’t be surprised even in Hollywood. Like, if you went, , to a 4 for July event. I’m not sure the gun laws there, but, like, a few people would probably be strapped. But it it’s unlikely there’s gonna be a drive by. There’s a chess club that, like I’m friendly with that’s making a June tenth celebration.
It’s indoors. , no one’s likely to be strapped. It’s in a, , area and I would probably be given respect because it’s a, , a event centered around chest. But I don’t even think I’m likely to go to that. So, , , like, I don’t celebrate any of this stuff, like, , if it’s, like Christmas 4 for July and Memorial day.
I mean I don’t really care, like, June teeth, like, , I could understand it from the black’s perspective or American perspective why they’re doing it near as a businessman, you’ll it’ll delay my shipping. , so the the post office are closed tomorrow, and I have , few orders of books. That I would have shipped out tomorrow morning that, , have to ship out Thursday morning.
Speaker 1
Would you have more t privatization say collecting rent from black tenants on a June tenth?
Speaker 2
I’m not sure. I don’t think that would be applicable, like, , if I if I… Because I’ve worked in property management where a lot of the tenants were… But I I’m saying, like, I mean, 1 thing it wouldn’t be practical is was like, you don’t really collect rent. People have a due date.
And then there’s a collection process. So, like, you don’t go door to door and collect rent. Like, people are supposed to pay rent by a certain time. And if they don’t, they have a collection process, in the collection process is usually done personally through letter, and even if they do come into, default, if it it’s very unlikely there’d be the person who, , knocked on the door, and then if it did come to a scenario where you had to avail them, , there’s paperwork you form out and you had the sheriff, and probably, like June tenth might be a holiday. So you, the the sheriff probably wouldn’t even come out on June tenth.
So it wouldn’t even be applicable what you’re asking.
Speaker 1
So a lot of Jews are in payday lending. And equivalent setups and pawn shops where people can P n where people can pop pawn their their goods this is a challenging demanding and often unpopular. Style style of business. You do you have any reflections? You you probably know a lot of people in these businesses or have some some exposure to these businesses?
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, so, like I said, like, the the violence collection would be outsourced in… Often it’s just paperwork, you’ll be, like, a credit. So even, like, a pawn shop, like, mean if you’re talking, like, Jewish Mafia where where you actually have, like, illegal money lending, like, under the table. But, if most of those places have protections to avoid it.
, they might have a bulletproof of glass. They might have higher security. And, I mean, you don’t wanna end up in a scenario where you have… People owing you money that are not likely to pay you. And if you are a landlord and, like, I have worked for in low income housing, you just have a formalized process for dealing with eviction.
And and and it’s very imp. Like you don’t actually know. , I worked at a 200 unit place. You you don’t know most of the tenants. We actually had, like a non Jewish woman who, you, ran the office and did the, you, the paperwork and forms.
And most of it’s done through paperwork and and if it reaches a eviction, then there’s a process, and, you’re not even usually there. Like, you, , you could you just pay an eviction service.
Speaker 1
Yeah. But that there are plenty of Jewish businesses in Payday lending pawn shops, Jewish and Korean businesses that operate liquor stores, or convenience stores in black areas. And I’m thinking about a friend of mine, his father was working in a liquor storm was shot and killed in an urban area. So that there’s a lot of interchange between Jews in particular, but also Koreans with the various risky dangerous businesses. Right…
Speaker 2
I was saying, well, it’s dangerous and you take the precaution, the risk that you’re involved. So if you’re talking, like, debt collection, I don’t think those people wouldn’t been involved in debt collection. If they decided to sell stuff on credit, that’s a risky business move, but that could you’ll have some benefit. , if you’re… If you have a…
If you’re you who operates the store in a majority, African American Or Hispanic place, you could consider selling stuff on credit. Mean, a lot of places in Jewish… In in Jewish neighbors don’t even sell stuff on credit. You’ll let alone to do a risky decision to, sell things in a, , I mean your Hispanic or black area. And, I mean, there are tough juice.
So, , if in the business, you have… You could out source the violence the collection to, , Jews who specialize in that there were Jews who specialized it, and I had been put in risky situations like that in construction. Specifically kind by, like Geek Jews who didn’t wanna get beat up, and , they kinda, like, they’ve even let me pretend, like, I was in charge, and I was the owner. Because , as a situation of violence where you’re more likely to be a target of violence if they think you’re the owner. So, , they actually sent me on behalf and this was just construction.
So, , mentioned that, yeah, a lot of orthodox jews are in these very dangerous businesses. But because the nature of the Orthodox Jewish community, you could exchange best practices, And , it’s it’s probably pretty rare. Like, in your area, , like, there’s probably a whole bunch of ortho that orthodox choose that have businesses, and they might even know the dangerous blacks and Hispanics to look out for, and, , then you also have your tough jews and your level of precautions, but you gotta make a living gotta make a. And security is expensive. So you have a store, you can’t necessarily afford full time security or or bulletproof glass or, you, these various things and and anything Jews also make, like, god forbid your friends rather, your know, Judaism, especially orthodox Judaism because of the high of large families, tolerate a larger loss rate than your average American, , thinking, like, okay.
God for forbid. If you’re a jew, and your average family as 8 people or even, like, La where your average Ortho orthodox family, maybe as 6 people or something like that. I mean, god forbid no 1 wants to lose a family member but it’s, , the lifestyle on the system that is why jews are successful in those businesses, because they could afford, to take larger losses than, , like Anglo. You and like, no Anglo is gonna be able to compete in those business because they’re just not gonna be able to assume the kind of risk that Orthodox j
Speaker 1
Yeah. So in a lot of urban settings in the United States, including in Los Angeles and New York, orthodox Jewish neighborhoods. But up against black neighborhoods and sometimes when when you have the forces of gen verification taking over of black neighborhoods, they’re frequently led by former members of the Id, by people who israelis who served in the armed forces, left Israel come to the United States They usually don’t have a a big secular education in the English language anyway. So they’re very tough, and and they start start the gen verification process. I noticed other Israelis then follow and then other groups.
But that that background of coming from Israel served in the armed forces, engaged in very street ways, occupation such as liquor stores or Payday lending, or the the the sc business, the clothing business or secondhand businesses that it creates some some very tough use willing to go into tough neighborhoods to earn a dollar.
Speaker 2
Well just to mention on that point, like, Id veterans rin are expensive. So saying, like, you, probably a lot of times it’s people like me or you, , when we’re on a down point in our life. So I had served those functions for Orthodox Jews that were scared of their own profession and paid me to assume that risk for them. And, , like, I just needed money. And , so relatively it was an opportunity to make, , get paid more than I would another stance usually, it was cash and my rate was much cheaper than an Id.
So, like, your friend, your, friend’s father or something Right.
Speaker 1
Know, rates cheaper than the Id. What What do you mean? Former members of the Id coming to America?
Speaker 2
What when I was in, you, Brooklyn, my, like, yeah. Low points in my life, just like, you I assume had low points in your life. And if a person is looking, like, , like, I… That Some you, at the low points in our life where me or you might have done something like that. We would have been cheaper than someone who had served an That would get a premium.
, if it’s, like… It’s… I’ve worked for 8 dollars an hour. I mean was a long time ago, but, like, , some of the Id idea they would got a premium, they would got 12 dollars an hour, you and, know, but someone like your friend’s store, and, , that, , money… Money’s money, and, man, but there is a premium for Id, so you can’t, you, like, and a lot of times, it’s actually Ot people, bulk t and converts that end up in those positions.
And, yeah, You do have, and then you say, that, well, there’s low quality And high quality Idea, and you get what you pay for. So, you mean, you can’t just assume that, like, every Jewish businessman or jewish business ban. Gonna have some, like, Id commando. , so, like, , like, a lead Id Commando is gonna charge 40 50 a hundred dollars an hour, the you, as opposed to some, like, , 80, low tier, you, your guy, you somehow made it through the Id. That still might charge 15 dollars an hour, versus, like, , Du, who, , we’re my worse, , phase, lowest points in life, who might have done it for 8 dollars an hour and I don’t know, , about your lowest points of life where you might have, , taken a very risky job from a orthodox jude just was you were desperate.
Speaker 1
Yeah. I certainly had my my low points. I remember my therapist was was… She she said to me… You all sell out for so little.
Right? She she she recognized my ethical flexibility to take absolute crap jobs and that I would just… Sell out for for so little. I thought it was a very very sharp remark. Now but it was
Speaker 1
most just not long term employment. So was around times they do. Usually, it was just someone in Sc who, like, , I didn’t wanna work. Like, I just needed enough money to get by a few weeks and because I was, like, , blindsided by religious belief. I thought magically things might get better.
So the reason I did those type things because it was just, you, like I was short on renter. I was broke. Yeah and I needed just to work a few weeks to make some money, , as opposed to, , even working at Mcdonald’s or something. They’re not gonna let you work there for 2 weeks. You gotta give a…
Longer commitment. And if you’re in sc, you could find like, , like, a lot of the people who employed me we’ve talked about in the past, we’re charitable people that , like, occasionally gave me, like, 10, 20 dollars just because I was a sc and Shoe and they were charitable, and then, , sometimes, like, you need work. And , next thing, , you’re , you’re working in a dangerous, your, jab construction or a store or real estate. For but but, , if you just need a few hundred dollars to get you to your next stage in life, and you just wanna do that and move and and then, , in and out that’s presumably the reason mean you both ended up in those positions. You’ll probably, , multiple times over periods of years.
Speaker 1
Yeah. And talking about the Jewish community as a whole, I mean, Morale been down since the October 7 attack. And I’ve noticed is particularly plunged over the past few months that Israel doesn’t seem to have competent leadership. And Israel’s enemies seem to be at a far higher level of confidence than than we’ve known in the past. Do you agree with my assessment that morale overall is is down particularly since October 7, but particularly in in the last 3 months or so.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Mean like, the reality was the October seventh was a huge hit to the Jewish psyche and Jewish competence. So it’s like, okay. When I spent time in Brooklyn for a period of time. Like, I had a little hope there were very wealthy people.
But, like, I was caught up with And they were poor. And on educated and although, , people had big dreams. A lot of them were just like, I can do what it takes to get by. And I did crap jobs because, like I had to do what I had to do get by. And I I took in reality.
But then after things start going good for a while, , especially after I had a period of day trading, and And I was reasonably wealthy, by , like, I never wanted to go back to those low points in my life. I did for a brief period of time, , do did take a temporarily crap jobs. Just because I I was flat broke. But I I certainly didn’t wanna to. So I mean, if you’re looking, you’re, like, the bubble of Israel and Jews has kind of been packed.
, at 1 October seventh and saying, Id in Israel is not as good as we thought they were were not as secure as we were And then, , the kinda of like, what we’re gonna be able to redeem ourself by, , utterly destroying Mass and hezbollah and getting rid of them forever, so Israel could move into being the first class nation. And now it’s saying, like, that’s a fantasy. , we’re more likely to be moving into a 1 state solution, living as equals as arabs then to that happening. And so the cold reality of the harsh world is , setting into Jews where where, , everybody kinda thought. Everyone’s talking about the day after we’ve defeat a us.
And now, , , we’ve been humbled to kinda, like, how are we gonna live with these people. We’re not gonna defeat them. What, , and we have no idea what’s gonna happen. Humbling ourselves is probably the best perspective, , saying, a work with the reality, , like, the… Like, probably me and you both times, like, we had to do it.
We did it. We we took a crap job. We did it for a few weeks got it on our feet. And maybe once we paid off our immediate debt or housing, , or whatever situation, we were able to look for something better. And I think, collectively, the Jewish people, , I called the messi fe, , saying, like, it’s on call for, you, like, people think, like, oh, because, like, you wear at war and a lot of people are dying.
That means, like, messiah is common and good things are gonna happen is like, that’s just nonsense sense. Even from a religious perspective. We’re just being punished for us in. And so that messi fe. I mean, you could look at it, like, , because, like, know, back and forth like, thinking, from, , perspective even if, like, my parents or reform Jews, educated Jews, you, and you’re looking at, like, Orthodox Jews who, , have very little education, not much of a work at that and say, like, you got nothing good coming.
But, like, relatively, They don’t think like that. They think they have the role coming to them. And so, , mean, we’ve had these arguments countless in the past because you’re very skeptical of curriculum. And say, like, you, , you got nothing good coming to you. You have no education and no ethic, how could you possibly have anything good come to and that they would be better served to be humbled and and develop a work ethic, and just do , on their level and as opposed to, , these dreams of fantasies are, like, no.
Like, , fake it till you make it to you make it to the top. And, like, yeah. I, like, that bubble is popping. And and probably not just, like, 80, poor orthodox, your people out a work ethic, but across the board, your judy Judaism has taken hit across the board. And, , you could look at the blame, but Mean, collectively, like Richard Spencer, you, said when the October, you, the war started that, the brand Judaism, , it’s gonna be completely solid to me he said it’s gonna be like, the sw of the Nazi flag, the, , the israeli flag.
But 8 months into the war, you, , trying to defend, , like, genocide and, that , like, even just like this, irrational exuberance thinking that, like, , any day now we’re gonna defeat a mass And it’s only America’s fault. The reason we haven’t defeated a masses is because Biden holding holding us back or something like that like, that narrative falling. And then also just the brand to Judaism where it used to, , walk around Yam, yeah. I was thinking like the Samantha wool case when it first started, and , like, the implicit bias where, like, of course, this Jewish guy didn’t kill Samantha wall. Like, even the police and the prosecutors, But, like, now, like, 8 months into the war in Israel.
You could see, like, maybe the police and prosecutors, the elites still have a positive view. But a lot of people like, no no. Like, , like, look, what Jews are doing in israel. Like, this guy probably did kill his girlfriend. , what what who are you, , like, the brand of Judaism.
Has markedly been decreased. And, , like, me and you who always wear Yam, and we’ve talked about them in the past, like, , there’s anti semitism. There’s f semitism. And I’m sure, like, you in Hollywood, , I’ve read your interviews. And a lot of times, like, this is just the past, and there’s extreme 5 of semitism that we have both benefited from.
And there’s still a
Speaker 2
lot of stunning day in the trial,
Speaker 2
but it’s saying, like, the value of , this pass into the file semitism is decreasing.
Speaker 1
Right. Jews feel less confident in the United States. I mean, the size and the energy of the… Anti Israel, pro palestine protesters, the difference in the average age that the the anti Israel crowd is is much younger. And so rationally Jews will have to expect that support for Israel’s is going to decrease.
So a lot of reason why… Why morale is plunging among among jews. And I wonder how the are doing, do they show any more inclination to serve in the Id or they just sticking to their own world?
Speaker 2
I haven’t been in Brooklyn for a while in Detroit, such a small sample size. But I would Matt makes this. You have the the fall back of the community to live cheaply. So, like, at least the control large areas of the neighborhood. And with the current welfare state, North 80 gonna go without a room and board.
And, you, , so you don’t have the… You’re like, okay. Because I didn’t make… You, like, I worked, , like, I worked really bad jobs many times, as a lady. But, like, I also did food stamps for people and, , the, like, So if you are in the protection of the community, you don’t have to be humbled.
You could just… Be poor. But, I mean, then there’s the question of that nec the welfare state. So so there’s problems with, , charity, especially now a lot of people giving charity to Israel. There’s a lot of Toshiba that aren’t getting paid.
There’s a lot of Us toshiba that are having funding problems, , tuition problems that are closing down, re that aren’t getting paid, But I mean, so if you’re, you have a little bit more, your possibility to just accept being for. Ma’am. I mean, I’m, like, you… That’s how you survived in, , doing what you did for so long was just your willingness to, you basically be dirt broke. Where where you lived on, , know, whatever tiny amount of money that was able to sustain you.
So, , this point, like, no. I don’t see the parade getting humbled I just see them , living you, more and more cheaply, and, , they might be more and more disgruntled. I mean, some are joining the Id idea, some are getting jobs, some are going off the Derek, but but, , that’s a minority. And so the majority, the silent majority is just accepting… And and they’re also kinda, like, you the delusional belief system, that…
Or you could solve the the humble, the respectable belief system. Whereas like, okay, God’s will. And, like, I would like things to be better, but if this is the case, God wills it and so just accept harsh conditions of , poverty, , if the welfare state ended, I don’t even know if the harsh can hit me because even know Jewish history. I don’t think the… I don’t think the welfare state ending in people, like, you, like, Gaza facing, like Gaza level starvation.
I don’t know. I don’t know. Like, I don’t know if people will be, like, , like, that kinda, like suffering forces people to humble and change their ways. It might be more likely that… God forbid people would just die off.
, maybe a certain element would change their ways to a more adaptable sur survival strategy, But, unfortunately, I think, no, actually, the… You’ll the silent majority would actually just die off.
Speaker 1
So I was. I’ll have to think about it. I was just preparing a different thoughts. So I was sharing my perspective on narratives with a friend of mine who has a a Phd, and and she was responding to my my theory that the professions are primarily out for themselves that they’re trying to increase the amount of money and jobs and power and prestige that they have and their invites onto Tv and publishing prestigious journals. For example, people in the mental health professional, It is in their professional interest to expand the definition of mental health so that more people need their services, and therefore, they can make more money.
And so to with the or the talk of genocide in Israel’s War against Hamas, we get so much talk about genocide because we have Now more genocide scholars than ever before. We have more human rights scholars than ever before, and this piping up Israel’s were with Hamas as a genocide is a way to get attention and to increase demand for their services as experts in genocide and experts in in human rights. And so my my friend said, wow, that that seems simple, but it really seems to crack the code on on everything. She says, I became an expert in x area. Then suddenly, I see, see when I studied everywhere.
And maybe it’s about being spotting things more easily, but pass more often than not. It’s about manufacturing, what I need to imagine myself to be relevant and important and and deserving of income and prestige. So what do you think about these theories that so much of what we hear in the news media comes from people who are trying to manufacture prestige income and jobs for themselves.
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, the media perspective, they gotta hook you in and keep you. And and it’s largely ineffective. So I was said, okay. Like, yeah, we were talking Sunday about…
, the Du, I I… And maybe you also adapted my narrative from being, you, a successful prominent leader within the Jewish community to being a failed, and had I not done that, I’d probably be more likely to be a failure in life. , to just become delusional. And because I’ve done that, it’s allowed me to withdraw from the community somewhat and actually improve some of the aspects of my life that I’d been giving less attention to, like, I’ve expanded my business, my bookstore, I’ve improved my relationship with my parents. I became active in, my neighborhood, the homeowners Association.
I’ve been more involved in chest coaching. I’ve been going to Jewish boys for peace. I Was saying, like god for forbid. I went to Jewish boys for peace. And it was like, dominated by women.
A lot of these women were actually, like, younger and attractive. And, know, I felt like, I could actually, like, maybe, like, find a wife in Jewish boys per piece. Like, a, like, I almost never really felt that way in Synagogue because you have to go through, like, a match baker. Because, know, Jewish boys per peace like. I might, , actually just be able to walk up to a woman and, , get a date and find, , find the right woman as opposed to , with the ortho circles have to, , the, you you’ll go through a match making process.
But By I saying like that, you’ll, like, you you in your 12 steps and your unleashing your earning potential. So, , that humble yourself, admit your failures. , so Du did that I humble myself. I’d admit my failures. I’m not really a prominent member of the Jewish community.
A lot of Jews don’t even like or respect me. , I still love Judaism as I’m just still put on to fill, but to withdraw. And then put more energy into the aspects of my life that we’re being more successful. And, , like, we were talking Sunday also the difference of… Individual narrative identity versus group narrative identity.
So let’s became very difficult because my individual narrative identity had previously been mostly defined by my membership within the group of Jews, and you’ll, specifically city Jews. And now I’m unsure about my identity within the group of Jews. Although, I’ve been able to develop new identities like, as a chess coach as a, , concerned neighbor, , maybe within, like Jewish voice per peace or , something like that, and I’m not sure if that parallels changes in your life too where you have been able to, reassess the situation invent your failures and and put that energy more towards things are successful. Maybe you’ve mentioned your earning more money than you ever had. In the past or or you, also, like non jewish friends, , because I I’ve I’ve lost my Jewish identity somewhat.
I’ve have, , solidified more relations and friendships with non jews and, , various things like you, my family, and my brother, , different type things. So I’m not sure if it’s parallel and what’s happening with you but
Speaker 1
well, my my level of participation in Orthodox Studios hasn’t changed much for about 8 years about… 8 years ago, I switched to putting less effort into attending various tour classes and governing. And instead put that time into 12 step programs. And so that was that was a big switch for me, 20 15 20 16.
Speaker 2
Maybe I I’m doing what you did in the last few years, , now and and I don’t know that… Like, yeah. I used to put a lot of effort into, being at the center of, , Jewish Affairs leadership, , assisting important Rabbi community leaders, being at, , important Jewish community events, , to being part of it that feeds kinda like a delusion that I’m an important, , Jew in the community, too largely withdrawing from that. And I’m not sure if your previous to that 8 years if that would have been also similar to you where you you you made a point to kinda be in the center of things and you kinda stepped out to , just you’re gonna be your real man and focus that what’s being successful and trying to be in the center of Jewish things.
Speaker 1
Well, also, what happens is when you’re in your twenties, least in West Los Angeles, you’re single jew in your twenties, even single orthodox view in your your twenties, there’s an enormous crowd to hang out with, but by the time you hit 40. Right? Your peers are overwhelmingly married, and those who aren’t married are highly dysfunctional. So what when social life changes is one’s ages and, almost all your your peers get get married or just reveal themselves as highly dysfunctional.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Mean, god forbid, like, if we retreated to the Ortho community, like, as saying, like, they would send us to the frontline to man dangerous businesses. That’s really all they have for us at this point.
Speaker 1
Okay. Anything going on with the Samantha wall trial?
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, they had the long testimony of the boyfriend today, and that was basically all that happened today. There were a few, like, minor police things. And it seems vaguely unclear why the prosecution even called them, and he came out today. They had to offer immunity, at least for the testimony.
He still could be a suspect , there’s no statute limitations on murder, but whatever he said today, he was granted immunity, but I guess the prosecution wanted to preemptively call him but, I mean, he’s kinda… I mean, I I know the guy and like, you, I have no idea what actually happened. And it’s say, like, 2 things. 1 thing, he has kinda like a typical… You, kinda, like, juice as, guilty, nervous personality.
, where we’re, , like, I’ve had that over my life and a lot of Jews, I know. Where you talk very low. You mum and then you could be pressed in, like, all a sudden spas out. And, , like I remember a few times, like, at the Downtown Synagogue, like that, I would say, I think, like, over arguments about like, whether we have a minute or not, where, , it’s kinda just humble with Else could pass out. So I think he was a bad witness in that sense.
Where I had the… A local drew on my week review, and you’re saying like, , because I know a lot of African Americans , specifically, like, the the rapper entertainer. , he was asked that, , he always like, , why are you so nervous? What are you worried about? And I was just like, well, that’s my personality.
Like, I’m always nervous and worried. And, like, , maybe that’s 1 of the benefit of African Americans where… They suffer much less worry and nervous ness. But there’s a tendency to connect nervous and a guilty personality with lying. So I think the witness appeared relatively pretty bad.
I saw, like, even the news is quest even some of the newspapers we’re questioning whether he’s guilty in the chat on fox news and social media, , it seems almost like half the people found the trial, you think that the think that the ex boyfriend’s is guilty. You… I mean, has a… I mean, god forbid. , the defense attorney, I mean, because because it was kinda nonsensical.
So the defense attorney is supposed to be defending his client. And somehow, he’s becoming, like, the prose attorney, like he’s trying to crack the witness and get him to… Admit that, you, , that he killed her. And and so it it was somewhat, like nonsensical. You see the paper just bizarre.
How it came to be or how why the prosecution even called them. But there were some interesting points. I mean, if you’re thinking, like, , god forbid the defense attorney, , trying to get him to say, like, , at least make it look like he’s a plausible killer, not his client, and he’s saying, like, well, she dumped you right? And and then, like, , she rejected you. You were hurt that she rejected you.
And then he was like, I’m not so sure she rejected me. And and then and and was, like, well, she did break it off a few multiple times yeah. I wouldn’t use the word rejected, and then you even asked, like, you, did that she was having sexual relations with this other man the same… At the hill, like, the same time. God forbid.
And, , so he’s just kinda like, has his head down and mumbling. But, you, to the audience, , think, like, maybe this guy did kill. Like, she dumped him, and he didn’t even know. Like, he’s at, , she’s having sex sexual relations with multiple people, at the same time. I mean in terms of like the evidence, it’s a huge unknown, , whether this random black criminal k or not, is very ci substantial evidence.
You’ll this guy. Like, they played his panic attack. It was like, it was heartbreaking to listen guy I knew the guy felt, sympathetic, but at the same time, like, I’m like, maybe he did kill her, but he has this horrible panic attack he calls the police. And they come to him, like, what’s the what’s wrong sir and he’s like, he’s, like, I killed my girlfriend. And and and and they’re literally like, what are you talking about?
Because, like, he’s in Ka, like, you, like, a hundred 50 miles. And they’re just looking at, like, this sympathetic kinda like Geek business guy who’s having a meltdown, but he’s, like, I killed my girlfriend, like, and then and and, , pant and raving. And and then and then, , the next day he denies it, he says that it was caused by some sort of new depression medicine and a panic attack, and it was just a delusion. He didn’t kill her at all these completely innocent. And but the defense attorney made these, like good points.
Because, like, he’s in prison and and, , he calls his parents. He’s like, I’ve been arrested, and and, like, , he has the tapes there, So he had done this with multiple other witnesses that changed their story where where he’s, like, did you say this or not? And then after they said he played the tapes. So like, this guy knew. He had been coached and he admitted he’d been coached also.
So the defense attorneys like, you’ve been coached for this right? And then, like, eventually got him to admit that, like, yes, he had been coached. And even, like, the prosecution for whatever readers and , seem to of coach the witness. But, like, , this point, like, he calls his… Mother in prison, and he’s just, like, I’m in prison.
I need a lawyer and his mother doesn’t ask what you do. So the defense attorney, was basically, , implied, like, your mother didn’t need to know what you did. Because you… Because she knew that you were gonna be arrested for killing samantha God forbid And so, , just looking at this scenario, it’s, like, if I called my mom is, like, okay. Like god forbid, my mom I’m in prison, , she probably, like, first thing She asked like, what you do.
But in this case, his mom didn’t ask what she did so the defense attorney implied the… Because your mom knew exactly what you were arrested for. And and then, , then she… Then refusing. But may he looked really guilty, and I gotta assume, like, you, with just the tiny bit of blood evidence.
That
Speaker 1
you. Let me jump in. Who who’s the black guy with the Dr? Is he defense attorney prosecutor?
Speaker 2
He’s the defense attorney. But in this case, because the prosecution called the ex boyfriend, Jeff Herbs who I happen to know to the stand. He was acting as the prosecution trying to get, , make it look to the jury as if this guy is the likely murder.
Speaker 1
Yeah. So… I’ve dated a lot of prom Jewish women and Prom non Jewish women. And initially, it’s great because the the sex is easy and the sex is plentiful and the sex is usually enthusiastic, but it always counts with in order amount of mental illness. Right?
That sexual prom security is just not good for women. Doesn’t bring out the best and Well well it’s fun and it’s relatively easy and it’s plentiful and it’s zest. It it it does sap your dick, when your your girlfriend starts cooking you with other guys or with other women, I had 1 girlfriend who would go off on these Lesbian fling, And she used to date someone who was a big power player in Hollywood? And I I asked her, you, how did he tolerate your Lesbian fling, and she said, oh, he wouldn’t put out with that for a minute. So, obviously, because I was so passive or because she just didn’t particularly value our relationship.
She was she was willing to go out on fling with with Lesbian in a way that she wouldn’t when she was she was with a power. Power plan.
Speaker 2
Did any of them have, kinda, like AAA geek boyfriend that was completely unaware of what she was doing with you?
Speaker 1
Oh, no. I wasn’t the 1 who was cheating. Like, III had relationships with Prom jewish women. I didn’t have just like
Speaker 2
1 possible but at the same time, that they were also seeing a more, conservative D Jewish guy that, you would have been completely unaware that she was having sexual relations with you.
Speaker 1
I I don’t believe so because I I saw these women usually in the context of a relationship, but it it is is possible. I… I’m… I’m curious.
Speaker 2
I in, this case because it’s a murder investigation It’s like, I even, , I know both of them. And I know the other guy, who… , and I I even know, like, the other… 1 other guy she might have been… That was implied that she might have been having sex with in the defense attorney , basically sprung on him.
He’s like, did that she was having sex with this guy? Like, how did that make you feel jealous right? , he was trying to, like, pressure him to admit, like, give I killed her. But I mean if you were thinking a scenario like that with your past relations that it could have led to to a murder like this where, you, know, is is it… Is it more likely that your sexual es in these perm Jewish woman could have led to a jew on jew murder?
Or thinking, like, no. It’s probably random Black leaf who , just killed her over a few dollars.
Speaker 1
Right. I I think more the latter. I do I never had a sense that my prom was gonna lead to it at You you murder, but I did have a sense that it was dangerous that it was… It was creating kind of a cent force that just kind of flung you flung you out out out, , out where the buses don’t run, no more. You’re kind of leaving polite society, you’re leaving the company of good decent people.
And so I did sense a growing danger. And 1 thing about these kind of trials and true crime in general as a genre is that it that peels back the layers of how we present ourselves, but we could also have these experiences in daily life. So I don’t know about you, but I have this self image of myself as a good person. But then I’ve I’ve recently had experiences where a seat just how selfish I am. But when I wanted to talk to someone.
I I just, like… Went right up to them and talked to them, interrupted them. They were talking to someone else. And I just… , went over and and, I interrupted them, or when I needed help, like, I would interrupt other people.
But where they turn to me for immediate help. I said, oh, hey, , I’ve I’ve got these things that I need to do first, And so when when the pre is, , ripped apart and and you recognize that your a a flawed human being and that your self image of yourself is a good person is is not fully. In reality. That’s a a painful embracing cold shower. That that’s that’s how I experience it.
And so I kind of identify with people whose private lives get turned upside down in these true crime trials and the whole genre. Because just in in my daily life sometimes, I just see how my own self image is is somewhat fraudulent. Any thoughts do it?
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, you’re think, like, you, got with, like, the pink floyd the the ball. The trial, you, like, , like, , sentence you to your your greatest fear to be exposed before your peers. And, , something like that where, , god forbid, like, , maybe you think this Jeffrey guy actually killed her and he deserves all this, but, , maybe he’s just a innocent victim and here he is. And in, like, in front of the whole world, and, , he’s coming out, he’s a pathetic symptom, his girlfriend was getting bang by a bunch of people on the side.
He had no clue. And, like, and, , worse on that, Like, people think he, , like go, the Sen probably spas and killed. Because he’s a cent, your versus the random black. ? So if you were in any of those angles where it came on, , not just, like, okay.
Like, you’re a live stream where you used to taking in questions, but if you’re, you, like, , please , questions like, okay, that girl used to date She’s been murdered God forbid. And, , there’s other person said, , the… We’re we’re asking all her ex boyfriends. Because we suspect it was 1 of for ex boyfriends that did it. And then, , , like, , just the awkward scenario of ex boyfriends being together around a prom mis woman let alone.
Speaker 1
Right. Right. About but I I wanna turn turn it make it more personal. Did do you have… Do you like me?
Have a self image of yourself as a good person? And then do you encounter reality at times in a painful way that makes you… Recognize that much of your self image is fraudulent.
Speaker 2
Look, I’ve learned so much because to this or… , most are self work that I would say, like, no. I’m extremely well aware of my faults. I try to be a good person. I try to do a lot of good deeds, but I’m I’m extremely self aware of my faults, and I have a more negative cell cell perception were more prone to believe that people are out out to get me or , think poorly about me, I’m pretty careful about my action too.
But yeah, I I would say I try to be a good person. And, like, I’m gonna wear my flaws. , So IIII don’t suffer delusions that much like that.
Speaker 1
And were you at ease in Jewish voice for peace? Do you you agree with that approach?
Speaker 2
Yes, I mentioned the comment because there the… Like, changing their by laws and they’re trying to , juice boys where pieces gotten them very big. They’re, And, , from being mostly a bunch of older people, there’s actually a lot of younger people involved, , including, , you, like, a attractive educated young jewish girls. However, Jewish boys per piece tends to basket together all the leftist is causes. So they’re they’re trying…
They can’t make a mission statement, and if you’re gonna be part of Jewish boys piece, you gotta, like, pledge to a mission statement kinda like the Downtown Synagogue. Where it’s, like, you have to accept the whole basket of left is causes, including, like pride week and Lgbtq plus and , anti racism and various things. And I was like, well, , is Jewish boys per peace, specifically, a leftist, , can I be, like, a libertarian, non partisan zion? Like, I wanna I wanna , stop the war be a peace activist, but I don’t wanna bundle together all the leftist is causes, and it was kinda like a question mark because you basically, everyone there is the leftist activist and, like, relatively their anti zion or anti war activity is just 1 of their many leftist activities and not even their main 1. As for me, like, basically, the anti zion is the only, activity like, that that I’m joining for, but, you, maybe in the circumstance, and and even, like, the, , the woman leading, the meeting was kinda, like, you’re just thinking, like, , like, okay.
Like, all these restrictions, and we’re trying to stop a genocide? . So, like, how are we gonna stop a genocide? And maybe you use that language while we’re policing people on all these other leftist issues and it’s say, well, you’re not. And so…
But, I don’t know what they’ll do. They might… At the end of the day, , because they are basically, you’ll progressive what people, and there’s not… There may not be room for intersection, and, , my crossover with Jewish boys peace is mostly with Palestinians because I say, I go to more straight Palestinian events palestinian, , meeting up talking to Palestinians, trying to work towards some sort of peace with that. And most of the Jewish boys per peace have less exposure directly to Palestinians lend me.
So, I mean, there’s incentive of the intersection to work together, but it may or may not work, , so we’ll see moving forward. And am I assume you’ve experienced that also where, yep, I would assume most of these perm during with Jewish women . We’re probably you left his activists.
Speaker 1
Yeah. Most of them are on the left sexual prom security does seem to go hand in hand with the left wing politics while… People to share my politics tend to be highly selective about the type of guys they get to bed.
Speaker 2
Yeah. I even mention the… I’m saying that, like, I like reform and conservative Jews. Like, just personal, a lot of them are educated, like talking about interesting subjects. , still, like, Jewish networking, your, well wish issuers in many ways.
However, you… It’s became… Maybe it’s always been, , basically all or nothing. And so, you, once they hear, you have fundamental disagreements and leaning right, you tends to you put a hamper, and , sometimes the relationship will temporarily we’ll, you, our intersectionality intersectionality is important. So we’ll just let that slide for now.
But eventually, once the intersection necessity, , then it’ll be, like, it’s a problem, , like, like, you’re… Like… We’re we don’t see I die, be similar with the, , right wing jews or Orthodox jews, , like, once you stop Orthodox, like, it’s very difficult to maintain these relations. And even if you take a fundamental stance, like zion, like, if you just took at a conscientious stance, like, I can’t… Do this anymore.
I’m against the war. I love being Jewish, but, like, I don’t want any problems with Palestinians. , you would probably lose, like, half your Jewish spreads which is, , something I went through also, where just, these guys like, , do it went crazy. And in in previous times, they could just like, okay, what’s the big deal in anti zion, It doesn’t really matter. Israel is strong.
But now when Israel is weak, and, , they gotta… Think they have to close their ranks. , if I would be much largely excluded people front me on Facebook, , shu me even. Isn’t think was, , like, maybe… I don’t know if you were neutral.
But my… I assume you could imagine something like that. Happening in your Area?
Speaker 1
Yeah. So isn’t a weird being anti zion when the majority of Jews live in the Jewish state? I mean, how can you be opposed to a state where the majority of the world’s Jews live.
Speaker 2
But… Because III see is completely unnecessary in my Judaism. To have a jewish state. I say, like, we could live peacefully together with Arabs as equals. And, like, I I don’t see any connection to my judaism I’m , for that desire.
And then especially when that leads you. So that’s how I always spell. Like, it was a period of time in israel and, , like, I saw what it was like living in Israel and and maybe you could call it a apartheid even when I was there 25 years ago, and just didn’t think about it that much. But I always was kinda like, we don’t really need this. Like, couldn’t we just live as equals with the arabs and most jews even, , secular Jews?
Liberal Jews fundamentally disagree with that. And… But I still do all the religious stuff. I still love being Jewish. I could go to Shu, like I a chant, , kosher, study To, and saying, like, what what do I need an a stake for?
But, yeah I mean, you’re right, obviously, , the vast majority of Jews, even secular Jews are are fundamentally zion and do think that it’s important to have a Jewish state.
Speaker 1
Well, the majority of Jews do live in Israel. So if you’re pro Jewish, it’s hard to understand how you can be anti Israel and pro Jewish.
Speaker 2
What I mean so previously, I just wasn’t activist. It was just my personal opinion. Like, so when we first started streaming, if people asked me, I would tell them, like, yeah, I’m anti zion. Like, I don’t think we need in F state. I think we should give fu this and ship to the Palestinians, but I wasn’t activist.
Like, I I occasionally went to interface with Muslims or Palestinian events, but it was a few times a year, , I had a handful of Palestinian friends. It was it it was inc that that was my belief system even within Judaism. , only during, , this crunch time where where, , 2 things 1 I become more of an outspoken critic of Israel than previously, and, , even taken some positions, like, , more actively working with Palestinians or vocal speaking out against the war, So, you, previous times That was just my opinion if you asked, but I wasn’t politically active, and I’m not that really politically active now either, but , so just how I feel. So as opposed to being, like, a full time. I’m not a anti Israel activist.
Although, , I probably, you, I’ve been vocal. I have a Youtube channel and a little bit of a following and and, , I’ve since the war, I’ve been saying the same message week after week of, you, which could be considered, , straight anti Israel message. And, , that is extremely isolating to , most jews that that I I hurt by that or or scared by that.
Speaker 1
Yeah. Okay. I got it. Okay. I’ve run out of energy.
So I’m gonna wrap up the stream any final words for today.
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, I I appreciate talking, like… Do… Like, you were saying at the beginning? Like, , humble ourselves.
And , we’ve done that in our lives and even this situation. So, , even, like, our opinions un world affairs don’t really matter that much. And, , so, like, the 12 steps, , like, like, we were saying on narrative identity going to Synagogue, 1 sympathetic friend could make a world difference. The difference between showing up and not showing up, , if there’s no sympathetic friend, you’re probably gonna stop showing up, , if , but, , if you have an entourage, your debt, you probably show up all the time. But you, just 1 sympathetic friend to keep you going, and then just, like, streaming to have 1 friend who believes in you, 1 friend who, , like, you who constantly was kinda like, you’re know, not harp on me.
But like, you should probably stops smoking the weed, or you’re, just, like, a positive influence. So, yeah, I appreciate that. And think that’s important. , especially in these bad situations. You need someone in your corner believes you and has a little bit of courage to, you’ll call you out in a helpful way.