{"id":9262,"date":"2009-07-05T20:47:48","date_gmt":"2009-07-06T04:47:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=9262"},"modified":"2009-07-05T21:05:29","modified_gmt":"2009-07-06T05:05:29","slug":"can-you-betroth-a-woman-through-a-messenger","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=9262","title":{"rendered":"Can You Betroth A Woman Through A Messenger?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>If the messenger has sex with your bride. Is that a valid Jewish marriage?<\/p>\n<p>Ask your rebbe that.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s what Dr. Marc B. Shapiro advises Jewish teenagers. 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