{"id":9102,"date":"2009-06-01T17:01:11","date_gmt":"2009-06-02T01:01:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=9102"},"modified":"2009-06-03T20:51:44","modified_gmt":"2009-06-04T04:51:44","slug":"kenny-gallo-a-life-in-the-mafia","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=9102","title":{"rendered":"Kenny Gallo &#8211; A Life In The Mafia"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I talk to Kenny Sunday afternoon.<\/p>\n<p>Since 2001, he has been an important source of information for me about organized crime. I&#8217;ve never known him to lie.<\/p>\n<p>I regard his new book, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.breakshotblog.com\">Breakshot<\/a>, as a compelling and important read.<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Why did you write this book?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;I just wanted to get my story out. The truth. I was sick of reading all those other crappy books about lies.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Why do you think you went wrong in the first place? As a teenager?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;I didn&#8217;t go wrong. I wanted to do it. It was something I chose to do.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Why do you think you were attracted to the criminal life?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;It was exciting. It looked like it might be fun. I get bored really easily. If I do something and I get really good at it, it&#8217;s not fun anymore. It gets boring. I&#8217;m looking for new excitement.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;What was the year you flipped over to the feds?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;Around 1997.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;I first talked to you in 2001. You told me then that you were working for the feds.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;Right.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;How many people knew?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;Not many, maybe four or five.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;You put your life on the line when you let anyone know.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;Right. I&#8217;m not scared. I don&#8217;t care. I really wasn&#8217;t scared.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;And when did you quit working with the Mob?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;In 2005.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Do you think anyone in the Mob started to get a sense that you might be an informant?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;No. Not until I was gone off the street. I just left and I never came back. They were searching for me. That&#8217;s when they started figuring out something was not right.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: Why weren&#8217;t you killed?<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;Because it is not like it is in the movies where they are going to come at you with machine guns. I&#8217;m not stupid. I&#8217;m not going anywhere with them. You have to be a retard to get killed in Brooklyn. You&#8217;ve got to go with one of your friends. I&#8217;m a dangerous guy. They already knew that. If I was free and they didn&#8217;t grab my arm, at least somebody is going down. For sure. One hundred percent. I&#8217;m taking somebody with me. And they can&#8217;t do it in public. It would be too much of a hassle. Or they could use stealth. Most of the guys who are murdered by the Mob are murdered by their friends.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Have you stayed in touch with any of these guys?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;I get emails from people all the time. Not the guys who wanted to kill me, but other people. I&#8217;m like a hero to those guys in Brooklyn.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Why are you a hero?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;Because I did what I did and I don&#8217;t hide. I made my own blog to laugh about it. When people call me rat, I say, yeah, so what? I am. Big deal. I changed my life. So what? I don&#8217;t make any excuse for it. I just do it. This is it. This was my life.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;So, these guys, part of them would also like to break away from the criminal life they are in?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;Of course. They all realize it is a zero. There&#8217;s no winners. You can&#8217;t win. The government has unlimited resources and all the time in the world. Everyone is an informant. Everybody is riding on you. There&#8217;s no chance you can beat electronic surveillance. You can&#8217;t make money for a long period of time. You&#8217;ve got maybe five years on the street and then you&#8217;re gone forever. This is no way to live a life. You can&#8217;t have a family. It&#8217;s horrible. It&#8217;s a dead end.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;So, the Italian-American Mafia is in its death throes in the United States?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;Everybody says it&#8217;s dead, but it&#8217;s definitely falling apart. They no longer control unions. They no longer control big industries. They don&#8217;t control pornography any more. They definitely don&#8217;t control narcotics. The quality of guy is less and less. They can&#8217;t attract new guys because they don&#8217;t want anything to do with this. If you&#8217;re smart, you&#8217;re out of it. You have no pool to pull from and the feds are all over it because it makes headlines.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Is there another criminal element that has taken the place of the Mafia?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;There are many.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;How have you spent your time since leaving organized crime?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;Writing. Reading. Working. Studying. That&#8217;s it. Trying to do good things and get my life on track.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Where do you find excitement now?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;Jujitsu.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;What about friends? I assume that when you ran with a criminal element, almost all your friends were associated with a criminal element?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;Not really. My life was always compartmentalized. No one knew what I was doing. One side didn&#8217;t know what the other side was doing. That&#8217;s why I used a fake name all the time. The criminals weren&#8217;t my friends. They were associates. That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t have a hard time leaving that lifestyle. I really don&#8217;t care. I have plenty of friends. I have friends I grew up with my whole life.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Do you think Tara [the great love of Kenny&#8217;s life] will ever read this book?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;I don&#8217;t know. She doesn&#8217;t want anything to do with me. We have friends in common.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Has she married?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;Yeah, she&#8217;s married. She&#8217;s got three kids.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;How do you think this book is going to effect your life?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;My anonymity will be gone. I&#8217;m going to definitely be on the front page. For years and years, I avoided getting my picture taken. I avoided going to big gatherings. I avoided the spotlight&#8230; I never wanted to be the boss. I wanted to be the second guy. I wanted to blend in with the crowd.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Which parts of your old life do you miss?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;I don&#8217;t miss any of it.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;What does &#8216;Breakshot&#8217; mean?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;It&#8217;s my FBI code name.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;There&#8217;s quite a bit of philosophy in this book that I&#8217;ve never heard you articulate. Where did that come from?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;I&#8217;m around idiots. Why would I articulate it? I read three to four books a week every week for the last 30 years&#8230; When you are talking to a guy on the street or talking to someone in porn, what am I going to talk to them about? When I speak, they&#8217;re just going to think I&#8217;m weird. When I went to school, I got really good grades&#8230;until I didn&#8217;t care about going anymore. I have a really good memory, almost photographic memory. When I go into a room, I memorize everything. When I read something once, I get it. I speed through books. There&#8217;s never been a book that I&#8217;ve picked up where I didn&#8217;t understand it. And not a subject.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;In my new life and new career, I work with people who went to Wharton School of Business. They have no idea about me.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;When I read this book, it takes my breath away what an evil predatory character you were?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Kenny: &quot;If you live in the jungle, you have to hunt. You can&#8217;t live among lions and not do what they do or they&#8217;ll just eat you. The pack will take you down. You can&#8217;t play being a gangster. You&#8217;re either a gangster or you&#8217;re not a gangster. Like Joe Villa. He decided at the end of his life that he didn&#8217;t want to be a gangster anymore. That&#8217;s cool if you don&#8217;t want to be a gangster, but you&#8217;ve got to leave that world. You can&#8217;t dabble.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;When I sold cocaine, I didn&#8217;t sell it to kids. I sold it to adults ten twenty years older than me. I dealt with gangsters, crooks, thieves, con men. They&#8217;re players in the game. They know what they&#8217;re doing. They made a conscious decision that they want to get involved in that lifestyle&#8230; I always felt bad when I was in porn. That&#8217;s why I never recruited women. If I met a new woman in the business who was reluctant to do it, I just said, get someone else! I don&#8217;t want to shoot her. I don&#8217;t want anything to do with tricking some girl into doing stuff.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;You and I were in the business. You know how they start off, they&#8217;re just going to do nude pictures on their own. Oh well, I guess I&#8217;ll do girl-girl. Then they find out that they can&#8217;t make any money. So they start doing boy-girl. They push them into stuff. They create this false world.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Audio:<\/p>\n<div><object width=\"512\" height=\"322\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/d.yimg.com\/static.video.yahoo.com\/yep\/YV_YEP.swf?ver=2.2.40\" \/><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\" \/><param name=\"AllowScriptAccess\" VALUE=\"always\" \/><param name=\"bgcolor\" value=\"#000000\" \/><param name=\"flashVars\" value=\"id=13780379&#038;vid=5220249&#038;lang=en-us&#038;intl=us&#038;thumbUrl=http%3A\/\/l.yimg.com\/a\/p\/i\/bcst\/videosearch\/9224\/86712936.jpeg&#038;embed=1\" \/><embed src=\"http:\/\/d.yimg.com\/static.video.yahoo.com\/yep\/YV_YEP.swf?ver=2.2.40\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"512\" height=\"322\" allowFullScreen=\"true\" AllowScriptAccess=\"always\" bgcolor=\"#000000\" flashVars=\"id=13780379&#038;vid=5220249&#038;lang=en-us&#038;intl=us&#038;thumbUrl=http%3A\/\/l.yimg.com\/a\/p\/i\/bcst\/videosearch\/9224\/86712936.jpeg&#038;embed=1\" ><\/embed><\/object><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/video.yahoo.com\/watch\/5220249\/13780379\">Breakshot: A Life in the 21st Century American Mafia<\/a> @ <a href=\"http:\/\/video.yahoo.com\">Yahoo! 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Video<\/a><\/div>\n<p>3:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div><object width=\"512\" height=\"322\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/d.yimg.com\/static.video.yahoo.com\/yep\/YV_YEP.swf?ver=2.2.40\" \/><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\" \/><param name=\"AllowScriptAccess\" VALUE=\"always\" \/><param name=\"bgcolor\" value=\"#000000\" \/><param name=\"flashVars\" value=\"id=13779548&#038;vid=5219763&#038;lang=en-us&#038;intl=us&#038;thumbUrl=http%3A\/\/l.yimg.com\/a\/p\/i\/bcst\/videosearch\/9223\/86710062.jpeg&#038;embed=1\" \/><embed src=\"http:\/\/d.yimg.com\/static.video.yahoo.com\/yep\/YV_YEP.swf?ver=2.2.40\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"512\" height=\"322\" allowFullScreen=\"true\" AllowScriptAccess=\"always\" bgcolor=\"#000000\" flashVars=\"id=13779548&#038;vid=5219763&#038;lang=en-us&#038;intl=us&#038;thumbUrl=http%3A\/\/l.yimg.com\/a\/p\/i\/bcst\/videosearch\/9223\/86710062.jpeg&#038;embed=1\" ><\/embed><\/object><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/video.yahoo.com\/watch\/5219763\/13779548\">Breakshot: A Life in the 21st Century American Mafia III<\/a> @ <a href=\"http:\/\/video.yahoo.com\">Yahoo! Video<\/a><\/div>\n<p>4:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div><object width=\"512\" height=\"322\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/d.yimg.com\/static.video.yahoo.com\/yep\/YV_YEP.swf?ver=2.2.40\" \/><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\" \/><param name=\"AllowScriptAccess\" VALUE=\"always\" \/><param name=\"bgcolor\" value=\"#000000\" \/><param name=\"flashVars\" value=\"id=13781651&#038;vid=5220684&#038;lang=en-us&#038;intl=us&#038;thumbUrl=http%3A\/\/l.yimg.com\/a\/p\/i\/bcst\/videosearch\/9227\/86718826.jpeg&#038;embed=1\" \/><embed src=\"http:\/\/d.yimg.com\/static.video.yahoo.com\/yep\/YV_YEP.swf?ver=2.2.40\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"512\" height=\"322\" allowFullScreen=\"true\" AllowScriptAccess=\"always\" bgcolor=\"#000000\" flashVars=\"id=13781651&#038;vid=5220684&#038;lang=en-us&#038;intl=us&#038;thumbUrl=http%3A\/\/l.yimg.com\/a\/p\/i\/bcst\/videosearch\/9227\/86718826.jpeg&#038;embed=1\" ><\/embed><\/object><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/video.yahoo.com\/watch\/5220684\/13781651\">Breakshot: A Life in the 21st Century American Mafia IV<\/a> @ <a href=\"http:\/\/video.yahoo.com\">Yahoo! Video<\/a><\/div>\n<p>5:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div><object width=\"512\" height=\"322\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/d.yimg.com\/static.video.yahoo.com\/yep\/YV_YEP.swf?ver=2.2.40\" \/><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\" \/><param name=\"AllowScriptAccess\" VALUE=\"always\" \/><param name=\"bgcolor\" value=\"#000000\" \/><param name=\"flashVars\" value=\"id=13779443&#038;vid=5219728&#038;lang=en-us&#038;intl=us&#038;thumbUrl=http%3A\/\/l.yimg.com\/a\/p\/i\/bcst\/videosearch\/9223\/86709787.jpeg&#038;embed=1\" \/><embed src=\"http:\/\/d.yimg.com\/static.video.yahoo.com\/yep\/YV_YEP.swf?ver=2.2.40\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"512\" height=\"322\" allowFullScreen=\"true\" AllowScriptAccess=\"always\" bgcolor=\"#000000\" flashVars=\"id=13779443&#038;vid=5219728&#038;lang=en-us&#038;intl=us&#038;thumbUrl=http%3A\/\/l.yimg.com\/a\/p\/i\/bcst\/videosearch\/9223\/86709787.jpeg&#038;embed=1\" ><\/embed><\/object><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/video.yahoo.com\/watch\/5219728\/13779443\">Breakshot: A Life in the 21st Century American Mafia V<\/a> @ <a href=\"http:\/\/video.yahoo.com\">Yahoo! 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