{"id":7323,"date":"2008-11-14T16:18:06","date_gmt":"2008-11-15T00:18:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=7323"},"modified":"2008-11-14T16:18:47","modified_gmt":"2008-11-15T00:18:47","slug":"my-interview-with-novelist-diana-spechler","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=7323","title":{"rendered":"My Interview With Novelist Diana Spechler"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.dianaspechler.com\">Here&#8217;s Diana&#8217;s website<\/a>. <a href=\"http:\/\/lukeford.net\/archives\/updates\/081113a.htm\">Here&#8217;s video from our interview<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I am deeply impressed by this young woman.&nbsp; It&#8217;s the subliminity of her prose, the profoundity of her thoughts, and the beauty of her eyes. Not sure which is most important to me.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s Diana at her book reading&nbsp; last night in front of eleven of us (mainly friends and family): <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/lukeford.net\/Images\/photos\/9-29-2008(1)\/PICT0008.JPG\" \/> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/lukeford.net\/Images\/photos\/9-29-2008(1)\/PICT0009.JPG\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Before her reading, I sat down with Diana for an hour-long video interview.<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;When you were a kid, what did you want to be when you grew up?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana grew up in the Boston suburbs. &quot;I&#8217;ve always wanted to be a writer&#8230; Since the time I could pick up a pen.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Her dad is a doctor and her mom owned a party-planning business.<\/p>\n<p>Diana has a younger brother (Orthodox) and an older sister.<\/p>\n<p>All of her family lives in Texas.<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;It wasn&#8217;t until my senior year in college that I knew you could even go to graduate school [for writing]. I asked one of my professors at [the University of Colorado] can I go to graduate schoool for creative writing, he said, &#8216;I don&#8217;t recommmend that. You&#8217;ll be broke for the rest of your life. I haven&#8217;t seen your writing. Maybe you&#8217;re a star. Probably not. It&#8217;s a terrible life.&#8217;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Once he saw my writing, he became a mentor for me. I did go graduate school for creative writing [an MFA at the University of Montana].&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Where were you in the social pecking order in high school?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;I always assumed I was popular&#8230; I had a lot of friends. I certainly chose social life over school during high school. That always makes you cooler when you&#8217;re young.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I was always confident about my skill [as a writer] until I got to graduate school, where I was on the bottom rung&#8230; At the first day of workshop, the professor said, &#8216;You were all the best in college. Get over it.&#8217; Suddenly I was at school with really talented writers&#8230; I suddenly felt self-conscious about not being well read enough, about my lack of life experience, which you need to write anything of substance&#8230; Once I started to doubt my skill, I really started to work at it. Writing became very serious to me. It&#8217;s a very serious artistic pursuit and if you don&#8217;t treat it as such, you&#8217;re not going to get very far.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Reading Huck Finn in high school did nothing for me as a writer. It was reading all these writer writers such as <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lorrie_Moore\">Lorrie Moore<\/a>. You don&#8217;t read Lorrie Moore in high school.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;When I am not writing, I feel very off-kilter. Right now I&#8217;m not writing because I&#8217;m on book tour. I don&#8217;t have structure in my life right now. So I&#8217;m not writing as much as I should be or the things that I&#8217;m writing are not what I want to be working on. Everything feels off because of that. I keep saying, &#8216;I want to get back to my writing.&#8217; What I&#8217;m saying is that I want to feel normal.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;In which emotional state do you do your best work?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;When I&#8217;m alert and well-rested.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;How about angry, sad or happy?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;If I am too much of anything like that, it&#8217;s distracting.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;So you don&#8217;t write out of one primary emotion?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;No. In many ways, I see it as work&#8230; Like anybody else going to work, you don&#8217;t want to be distracted. You want to be well-rested&#8230; The emotion that I feel, usually I pick up the emotion of whatever it is that I am working on. To start off with any strong emotion, it&#8217;s just going to take me longer to get to where I want to be.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Even rage?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;If I was in a rage, I don&#8217;t think that I would sit down to write.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;What role has Judaism played in your life?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;Well, I was raised with quite a bit of it. My family, we were Reform growing up. My family now is mostly Conservative. I am sort of unaffiliated. I am more interested in it than involved in it.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;What did people in high school expect you to become?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;A writer.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;How did you end up in Montana?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;I got that magazine US News and they had the list of the top ten grad schools [MFA programs]. I looked at the ones with MFA programs on the list. I crossed off the ones where I couldn&#8217;t imagine living, such as Amherst, Massachusetts, and applied to all the other ones. When I got into Montana, I had never been to Montana, but I knew it was a great program. One of my friends got accepted with me and we drove out from Boulder, Colorado.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I had a great two years, not just because I got such a fabulous education, but because it is such a great place to live.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;How did the MFA program change you as a person?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;Again, it made me a serious writer and a better reader.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I remember a serious shift in the way I saw the world&#8230; The ability to question and to step back a bit.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Were you a confident program before the MFA program?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;Yes, but it was unwarranted confidence.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I&#8217;ve become more confident about my writing since my book came out. Unfortunately, I am very dependent on external validation. As artists we have to be otherwise it&#8217;s journaling.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;How did you decide to make the Shlomo Carlebach thread so exact?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;It&#8217;s based on him but it&#8217;s not him exactly. It&#8217;s fiction. You&#8217;re talking about the character Yudel Zeff.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;I can&#8217;t think of any differences aside from the name.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;I had been to a Carlebach shul in Jerusalem and I was completely blown away by the music and the experience. The feeling that Ash describes in the novel was something that I felt, the music made me feel I was being lifted off the ground. I was so blown away, I wanted to find out who this guy was, then <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lukeford.net\/profiles\/profiles\/shlomo_carlebach.htm\">I stumbled on all this information<\/a> and I felt very conflicted. It hasn&#8217;t necessarily been proven. I didn&#8217;t want to slander him or his name, even though a lot of the other events in the novel are true to history. The bombings, the siege of the Church of the Nativity.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Yudel Zeff means &#8216;the wolf who&#8217;s beloved.&#8217;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;You&#8217;re the first person who&#8217;s asked me about him.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;I&#8217;m curious why this guy is exact. There is no fictionalizing aside from the name.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;You dropped him in the same way you dropped in all those historical events. Exact.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I love research. I did quite a bit of it. It&#8217;s a great way to procrastinate.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Carlebach is such a fascinating story you don&#8217;t need to fictionalize it.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;True.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;What were the hardest and easiest parts of writing your novel?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;There were no easy parts. The hardest part was constructing the plot.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I remember printing out the first draft and thinking, &#8216;I have a novel!&#8217; It was hundreds of page but there was no novel. There were just characters walking around having thoughts and feelings.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I write character-driven fiction. I first come up with the characters and then the plot emerges because of who the characters are.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;How do you go about constructing your sentences?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;When I was a newer writer, I paid a lot more attention to it. Now that I&#8217;ve found my voice, syntax comes naturally to me. I have to play with the syntax because it is important to make every character sound different.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;What modifying word would you most like attached to your writing?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;Oh wow. Engaging.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;How about you for your writing?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;I like brutal.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;You and I are probably very different people.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;I love it when people see the savagery in my work. I&#8217;m someone who climbs aboard a ship with a sword in his mouth and starts stabbing people.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;I&#8217;m more like the person at the bow of the ship with a rose in her mouth.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;I am going to get in so much trouble if I print what I just said.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;&#8217;Engaging.&#8217; Is that analogous to &#8216;compelling&#8217;?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;&#8217;Compelling&#8217; is a better word. &#8216;Compelling&#8217; implies more substance&#8230; Smart entertainment.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;What things have been said to you about your mature writing that have meant the most to you?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;The two compliments that I&#8217;ve loved best that I&#8217;ve been getting in response to this novel are (A) people who say they stayed up all night or missed work to finish my novel, and (B), when people say, &#8216;I&#8217;ve never been to Israel,&#8217; or &#8216;I&#8217;m not Jewish,&#8217; but your book made me want to go to Israel.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I want to be entertaining. Part of being brutal or savage as you said is being entertaining to people. To be heard, you have to engage.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Do you use writing to settle scores?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;No, but you do, don&#8217;t you?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Yeah.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;Sometimes I settle scores with myself. I was doing a lot of searching spiritually when I was doing this project&#8230; An interviewer was asking me recently about some of the conversations between Ash (convert to Orthodox Judaism) and Monica (a seductress who left Orthodox Judaism). That they felt real. And I said, &#8216;Actually, they were in my head. They were battles I was having with myself at the time I started the novel.&#8217;&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;You strike me as breathtakingly levelheaded.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;Thank you, Luke.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;Are you breathtakingly levelheaded?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;No. I think I am often ruled by emotion, but it is a beautiful compliment. Thank you.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;What do you love and hate about being interviewed?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;I like being the center of attention. I don&#8217;t like the anticipation of a question I know I&#8217;m not going to want to answer.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;What are some of the best questions you&#8217;ve been asked?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;These are, these are, these are it. These are probing.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;A friend [Robert J. Avrech] compared my interviewing technique to North Korean torture. I thought that was the greatest compliment.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;But I&#8217;m enjoying it.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Luke: &quot;What has the publication and success of your novel meant to you?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Diana: &quot;It&#8217;s tangible reward which is amazing. I toiled for years on this novel and at the risk of sounding dramatic, it really was awful at times.&quot;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here&#8217;s Diana&#8217;s website. Here&#8217;s video from our interview. I am deeply impressed by this young woman.&nbsp; It&#8217;s the subliminity of her prose, the profoundity of her thoughts, and the beauty of her eyes. Not sure which is most important to &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=7323\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[14289],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-7323","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-diana-spechler"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7323","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=7323"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7323\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=7323"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=7323"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=7323"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}