{"id":7050,"date":"2008-11-05T16:23:48","date_gmt":"2008-11-06T00:23:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=7050"},"modified":"2008-11-05T17:13:20","modified_gmt":"2008-11-06T01:13:20","slug":"la-orthodoxy-is-weird","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=7050","title":{"rendered":"LA Orthodoxy Is Weird"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/yourmoralleader.camstreams.com\/\">From my live cam chat<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p>Josh:&nbsp; LA orthodoxy exists in a bubble, you guys are so weird.<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; In NY, orthodox converts tend to be super-fanatic, whereas you behave like a FFB (frum from birth)<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; luke, dude, i&#8217;m ffb.&nbsp; i dont wear my yarmulkah to work, i dabble in the finer things on occassion (sex, drugs, etc.), but&#8230;<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; i keep that s**t private for the most part<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; i like porn, but i dont broadcast it to the world<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; my cousin was dating an orthodox guy from LA, and he worked as an agent for porn stars<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; i find that a bit absurd<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; that wont happen here NY<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; i wont say his name, but he happens to be a descendant of a great jewish mystic, supposedly<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; here we&#8217;re all doctors, lawyers, or bankers&#8230;well not bankers anymore, they&#8217;re all out of work<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; we may screw around in private on occasion, but we try to publicly sanctify G-d&#8217;s name by behaving appropriately<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; everyone here at my office knows i&#8217;m orthodox, so i feel it&#8217;s my duty to behave a certain way publicy as to not tarnish our rep<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; but you guys friggin rep porn stars!<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; it&#8217;s a chillul hashem!<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; you&#8217;re a smart dude, and i&#8217;ve read your rationale and justification for what you do\/did on your blog, and i get it<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; but how is it that you convert and not go off the deep end like other converts \/ baal teshuvahs<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; it&#8217;s like you&#8217;ve been frum from birth<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; I was raised v. religious, only it was SDA so I am a bit blase about religion<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; SDA?<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; Seventh-Day Adventist, i am a preacher&#8217;s kid<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; sda&#8217;s have the longest life-expectancy of any faith<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; yeah, it is a cool religion, just dumb as rocks<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; you shouldnt have converted<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; why not?<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; you&#8217;re taking years off your life<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; ahhhhhhhh<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; jews live long too<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; if they keep the mitzvot<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; i guess you are a fanatic<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; lol<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; just testing you<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; my father-in law is a baal teshuvah fanatic, and he&#8217;s always talking torah at the shabbat dinner table<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; is he learned ?<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; and i&#8217;m like, &quot;dude, can&#8217;t we talk sports or business?&quot;<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; he tries, hes a good man<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; but he&#8217;s got that glaze in his eyes when he talks torah, kinda like he&#8217;s been brainwashed<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; but he&#8217;s probably more learned than i am, i&#8217;m a ramaz graduate<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; i doubt it<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; can he open a chumash and parse the hebrew?<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; he tries<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; too hard<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; he&#8217;s dedicated, he&#8217;s got the passion, the zeal<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; that&#8217;s what FFBs lack<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; we&#8217;re like you, blase<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; i envy converts and baal teshuvahs because of this<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; but if i were a goy and were doing some soul-searching, i would most definitely not choose judaism as my spiritual path<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; it&#8217;s so unhip<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; i would definitiely rock the kafiyeh and go Muslim<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; that&#8217;s a friggin hip religion<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Monica? Emma?<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Back in the old days, there would be all manner of women in a luke ford chat room.&nbsp; ALL MANNER<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; oy<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; josh is cool<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; i will see monica tonight<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; I don&#8217;t care about cool<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; under what pretext?<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; lecture by ehud havazelet<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Is she Jewish or just a sympathizer and fellow traveler?<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; You know, like Obama around the communists<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; i want an ethiopian wife, white just wont do for me anymore<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; I see you going Abo<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Abo is the new black<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Today is a black day for white men<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Once you have had an Abo woman blow your diggereedoo, no other woman will do<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; have you heard this latest fad amongst the youngermen of african american culture in NY?&nbsp; It is to walk around in public with one&#8217;s pants two third the way down one&#8217;s boxer shorts<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; I don&#8217;t get it.&nbsp; I mean, even by Negro standards this is bizarre<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; What will they think of next?<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Reading books?<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; nahhhh<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; I fear them<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; You are a racist<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; You need to make some black friends<br \/>\nRolfHarrisburg:&nbsp; So, Chaim, how will life change with the new president?<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; What about that rotund black blogger chick you knew back in the day?<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Mine sucked under Bush II, so ef the Republicans<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; I never got any bonus points for being pale<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; or for being a Jew<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; I&#8217;m going black.<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; I&#8217;m certainly swarthy enough to pass as a half breed<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; And I&#8217;m going to hook up with some black chick from Craigslist and see where that takes me<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; persian?<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; No, just dusky looking<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; I look like a caricature out of Der Sturmer<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; short, swarthy, hairy palms, lots of ermine like hair on my back<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; you must be really popular with the ladies<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; All I gots to do is spend more time in the sun and I will be able to pass for half black.<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; If I were running a movie studio I&#8217;d be popular<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; My family is dusky<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Dark, hooded eyes and complexions<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; gypsies, I think<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; But the negresses of craigslist are so damn picky<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; They want their white man to have lots of money<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; like we all have it.&nbsp; Negro please<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Luke and I are fortunate in that our lives cannot be too adversely impacted by Obama, so long as his reign does not lead to or end in marauding negroes in LA or mushroom clouds over new york<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Luke, do you know any neocons?&nbsp; Do they have them in LA?&nbsp; They are all in hiding in NY\/Washington<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Luke, do you think McCain would have done materially better if he&#8217;d picked Romney to be his running mate?&nbsp; I do.<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Romney had the cash and the mormon zeal to press any advantage<br \/>\nwelshdragon:&nbsp; RUNNING MATE? ALL TYHE BLACKS VOTED FOR OBAMA ON THA BAISI OF COLOUR NOT POLICY?<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; McCain, and I&#8217;m sorry to say this since I&#8217;m fast approaching him in years, was just too old<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; I mean it would&#8217;ve helped him among white people<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; my friends, it&#8217;s all min-hashamayim<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Whites still went for McCain, for what that was worth<br \/>\nwelshdragon:&nbsp; I&#8217;M FROM UK AND CAN SEE THat from here!!<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; But there are not enough of us left here<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Because women like MONICA are squandering the most fertile years of their lives getting an education that nobody but themselves cares about<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; It is a kind of self-genocide that has been going on for 30 years<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; MONICA, we need you to procreate, not to waste time talking about Levinas<\/p>\n<p>Josh:&nbsp; haredi jews will be the face of judaism 100 years from now<br \/>\nMelchiades:&nbsp; What&#8217;s this about?<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Unless their inbreeding destroys them first<br \/>\nMelchiades:&nbsp; seems pretty extremist<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Looking to the future, MONICA MUST BREED<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Ditto Emma, with a strapping young Shamus<br \/>\nMelchiades:&nbsp; wow this is messed up<br \/>\nMelchiades:&nbsp; more please<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; how would i be treated on the Upper West Side?<br \/>\nMelchiades:&nbsp; that dude on the cam has a nice beard<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; Would I get respect or dissed?<br \/>\nMelchiades:&nbsp; pedo-look<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Like a Prince amongst the secular Jews<br \/>\nMelchiades:&nbsp; pedo-beard + pedo-laugh = one succesful cam<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; 96% of the black vote went for Obama, and I think around 54% of the White vote went for McCain, but young whites went for Obama in a big way<\/p>\n<p>ChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Luke you might clean up in New York.&nbsp; You could support yourself here the way Mark Twain did, by conducting lectures on porn and torah<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; What the hell is he laughing at?<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; I don&#8217;t see why you stay in LA, living in your gutter home<br \/>\nwelshdragon:&nbsp; i&#8217;d vote for luke on the basis he can pull teenagers from europe-lmfao!!<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; he has not proven that yet<\/p>\n<p>Josh:&nbsp; luke, on another note, how do you reconcile your religious beliefs with your new-found friendship with Marc Gafni<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; You know, I don&#8217;t think he is laughing at anything here, just at some internal dialogue that only he can hear<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; josh, it&#8217;s just a dialogue, i do that with all sorts of people<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; Gafni scares me<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; i watched parts of your dialogue with him and he has a tremendous charisma which is frightening<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; I would rather watch Monica<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; What a fine shiksa!&nbsp; Luke sure can pick &#8217;em<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; I think I like her even better than Holly<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; you may talk to lots of people, but your body language indicates sympathy for the fellow<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; I&#8217;m seeing lots more interracial personal ads on craigslist<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; luke, the reason why i am saying this (and please don&#8217;t misundersatnd what i am trying to get across), is that, as a convert to judaism, you are more susceptible to the seduction of such a character<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; i am much more likely to be seduced by women<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; He&#8217;s right.&nbsp; As for me, I am susceptible to the seduction of Emma.&nbsp; I&#8217;d convert for her<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; Mighty is the young shiksa&#8217;s pheromones<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; josh, i hung out in the porn world for 12 yrs, i don&#8217;t get seduced<br \/>\nJosh:&nbsp; mental, emotional, and religious seduction is far fiercer than sexual seduction<br \/>\nChaimAmalek:&nbsp; What about that 50 year old chick you banged 15 years ago?<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; a mere moment of weakness<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; investigative journalism<br \/>\nYourMoralLeader:&nbsp; participatory journalism<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>From my live cam chat: Josh:&nbsp; LA orthodoxy exists in a bubble, you guys are so weird. 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