{"id":42336,"date":"2012-03-24T19:10:55","date_gmt":"2012-03-25T03:10:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=42336"},"modified":"2012-03-25T10:00:40","modified_gmt":"2012-03-25T18:00:40","slug":"should-rabbis-have-temporal-as-well-as-spiritual-power","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=42336","title":{"rendered":"Should We Look To Rabbis For Temporal And Political Guidance?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><A HREF=\"http:\/\/www.panix.com\/~jjbaker\/teachrav.html\">Jonathan Baker writes<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p>This is a set of summaries of a series of six lectures on the teachings of Harav Yosef Dov Halevi Soloveitchik zt&#8221;l by Rabbi Aaron Rothkoff-Rakeffet at Lincoln Square Synagogue from 7 June to 12 July 1993. They were transcribed and posted electronically by permission of Rabbi Rakeffet (who said that the lectures are in the public domain, but that I should try to quote him accurately). Rabbi Rakeffet is a Rosh Yeshiva and Professor at Yeshiva University&#8217;s Gruss KollelElyon in Jerusalem, and is the author of the recent books The Rav.<\/p>\n<p><A HREF=\"http:\/\/www.panix.com\/~jjbaker\/rav3\">Lecture 3:  The Rav and the State of Israel<\/a><\/p>\n<p>In the 1920&#8217;s,  contrary to their  claims,  Agudat Israel did not<br \/>\nexist in the United States.   America was viewed as a place to go<br \/>\nto lose one&#8217;s Yiddishkeit.   If you went to America, it was 100:1<br \/>\nthat you would not stay religious.    By the late 30&#8217;s,  European<br \/>\nrefugees brought  Agudat Israel  to the  U.S.   It  originated in<br \/>\nEurope in 1919,  claiming that &#8220;Any Zionist cannot be a good Jew,<br \/>\nand cannot join  Agudat Israel.&#8221;  The idea was  that by gathering<br \/>\nJews together in conventions and  retreats,  their faith could be<br \/>\nstrengthened in the face of modernity.<\/p>\n<p>Initially, it had few members,  but when they convinced the Gerer<br \/>\nRebbe to  join,  all his  Hasidim followed,  giving  the movement<br \/>\ngreat strength.   Rabbi Silver brought the movement to America in<br \/>\n1937.  The Rav then became active in it, because Rabbi Chaim Ozer<br \/>\nGrodzinsky,  the rav of Vilna,  had  told him to establish Agudat<br \/>\nIsrael in America.<\/p>\n<p>In 1940, Rav Soloveitchik gave a hesped for Reb Chaim Ozer, which<br \/>\nwas a gem  of Agudah ideology.   He stated that  rabbis must rule<br \/>\nthe Jews both spiritually and temporally.  He showed this via the<br \/>\nChoshen,  one of the garments of  the High Priest.   This was the<br \/>\nbreastplate which held the Urim and  Tumim,  the gems which would<br \/>\nlight up showing how the Kohen Gadol should rule in political and<br \/>\ncriminal matters.   Just as the Kohen  Gadol was in charge of the<br \/>\nreligious life of  Israel,  so he was in charge  of the political<br \/>\nlife of Israel.<\/p>\n<p>During that period, the Zionists were organizing huge anti-Hitler<br \/>\nrallies and protests.  The rabbis of Agudat Israel forbade people<br \/>\nfrom participating  in these rallies,   for fear that  such noise<br \/>\nwould only serve to enrage Hitler, and encourage him to kill more<br \/>\nJews.   This hesped was Rav Soloveitchik  in support of this pure<br \/>\nAgudat Israel philosophy.<\/p>\n<p>Why did the  Rav support Agudah if his father  was Mizrachi?   In<br \/>\npart,  it was youthful rebellion,  as  the Rav confessed in 1955.<br \/>\nRakeffet&#8217;s theory is somewhat different: Agudah in Berlin was the<br \/>\norganization  for young  Jewish  intellectuals,   where the  Neo-<br \/>\nOrthodox were fully  integrated into German society.    So it was<br \/>\nthe only real social group the Rav could join.<\/p>\n<p>In 1946, the Rav became the honorary president of <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mizrachi_(religious_Zionism)\">Mizrachi<\/a>.   Why<br \/>\nthe switch?   <\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p>In his first lecture on <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Chaim_Ozer_Grodzinski\">R. Chaim Ozer Grodzinksi<\/a> for <A HREF=\"http:\/\/torahinmotion.org\">Torah in Motion<\/a>, history professor <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Marc_B._Shapiro\">Marc B. Shapiro<\/a> says: You need to go to the gadol (the Torah sage). How do we respond to modernity and other issues.<\/p>\n<p>In earlier years, the High Priest dealt with with halachic (Jewish law) issues and with war and peace and everything that affected the people. So too his must continue today. A quasi-theocracy. The High Priest was God&#8217;s second in command. That&#8217;s the model for Torah sages.<\/p>\n<p>The Holocaust showed [J. B. Soloveitchik] that <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Da'as_Torah\">da&#8217;as Torah<\/a> (following the gadolim) can err and err grievously. <\/p>\n<p>How do people get in the <em><A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Moetzes_Gedolei_HaTorah\">Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah<\/a><\/em>? The same way people get in the college of cardinals. Other people in the moetzes appoint them. That&#8217;s how all boards operate.<\/p>\n<p>It means that you can have great rabbis who don&#8217;t have yeshivas who don&#8217;t get put on the moetzes. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jonathan Baker writes: This is a set of summaries of a series of six lectures on the teachings of Harav Yosef Dov Halevi Soloveitchik zt&#8221;l by Rabbi Aaron Rothkoff-Rakeffet at Lincoln Square Synagogue from 7 June to 12 July 1993. &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=42336\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[69,19874,110],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-42336","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-marc-b-shapiro","category-r-j-b-soloveitchik","category-rabbis"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.10 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Jonathan Baker writes: This is a set of summaries of a series of six lectures on the teachings of Harav Yosef Dov Halevi Soloveitchik zt&quot;l by Rabbi Aaron Rothkoff-Rakeffet at Lincoln Square Synagogue from 7 June to 12 July 1993. 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