{"id":42126,"date":"2012-03-21T12:40:36","date_gmt":"2012-03-21T20:40:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=42126"},"modified":"2012-03-21T12:52:54","modified_gmt":"2012-03-21T20:52:54","slug":"modern-orthodox-demographics","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=42126","title":{"rendered":"Modern Orthodox Demographics"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In his fifth lecture on <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Yaakov_Yisrael_Kanievsky\">the Steipler<\/a> for <A HREF=\"http:\/\/torahinmotion.org\">Torah in Motion<\/a>, professor <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Marc_B._Shapiro\">Marc B. Shapiro<\/a> says: Modern Orthodox is larger than haredim. Modern is larger in Israel, about 20-25% of the population. The haredim are about 11%. The Modern are larger in America also but in 20 years they won&#8217;t be. When the haredim go left, they end up in a Modern Orthodox shul. Satmar dropouts just go crazy.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;In another generation, the Modern will be a minority in America. Israel, I don&#8217;t know. <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;In England and in Baltimore, the haredim outnumber the Modern. <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;England and all of Europe will be Islamic. Some of these countries are beyond the tipping point.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;England will be haredi. France will not because it is Sephardic.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Do you know how many people would become Modern Orthodox and then they see the cost? School. Camp.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Modern Orthodoxy has become an upper-middle-class lifestyle. Not in Israel. You have security guards wearing yarmulkes.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;In the haredi world, you can be lower-middle-class. There&#8217;s room for all types. That allows for entre by the baalei teshuva. Many people leave the Modern Orthodox world because they don&#8217;t feel like they can keep up with this rat race. They either go to Israel or leave, give it up. If you&#8217;re not middle class or upper-middle-class, what community can you live in? Who wants to live in a community where you are the poorest? You can&#8217;t have what other people have.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Modern Orthodoxy has real problems with continuity.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not here to talk about myself because whatever I say, people will then say, that&#8217;s why you said this. You&#8217;re biased in that direction. Let me speak my piece and judge it for what it is.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;If <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Haim_Amsalem\">Haim Amsalem<\/a> runs in the next election, could he get elected?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;After Ovadiah Yosef, <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Haim_Amsalem\">Haim Amsalem<\/a> is the most popular Sephardic figure in Israel.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In his fifth lecture on the Steipler for Torah in Motion, professor Marc B. Shapiro says: Modern Orthodox is larger than haredim. Modern is larger in Israel, about 20-25% of the population. The haredim are about 11%. The Modern are &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=42126\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[609,598,37,69,214,18],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-42126","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-england","category-haredi","category-israel","category-marc-b-shapiro","category-modern-orthodox","category-orthodoxy"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42126","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=42126"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42126\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=42126"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=42126"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=42126"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}