{"id":41999,"date":"2012-03-20T10:40:34","date_gmt":"2012-03-20T18:40:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=41999"},"modified":"2012-03-20T11:05:14","modified_gmt":"2012-03-20T19:05:14","slug":"does-a-jew-need-to-earn-his-beard","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=41999","title":{"rendered":"Does A Jew Need To Earn His Beard?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I was taken aback a few years ago when I had a beard when an old woman told me I had to earn the right to have a beard and I clearly had not.<\/p>\n<p>I thought it was clearly the Jewish ideal for a man to have a beard.<\/p>\n<p>In his first lecture on <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Yaakov_Yisrael_Kanievsky\">the Steipler<\/a> for <A HREF=\"http:\/\/torahinmotion.org\">Torah in Motion<\/a>, professor <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Marc_B._Shapiro\">Marc B. Shapiro<\/a> says: &#8220;<A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Novardok_yeshiva\">Novardok [yeshiva]<\/a> students wore beards.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;If you&#8217;ve seen pictures of the great yeshivas in Europe, none of them wore black and none of them had beards. The rosh yeshivas wore beards. The <em>bocherim<\/em> (students) were not supposed to wear beards. It was haughtiness. Who heard of a 20-year old who doesn&#8217;t know anything wearing a beard? Maybe when you know 25 masechtas and you&#8217;ve been in yeshiva for 20 years.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;This has changed in America. I was in Lakewood in six years ago. A good three-quarters did not have beards. It is disputed, but Rav Ahron Kotler did not believe that you could use shavers.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Maybe some women did not want a guy with a beard?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;If you wanted to grow a beard [in a yeshiva traditionally], you had to get permission from the rosh yeshiva to grow a beard.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Black [clothes] only becomes yeshivish in the 1970s as a result of Hasidic influence. Until then it was, who do you think you are to wear black? It became rabbinic garb to wear black, even in the religious Zionist world.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Black means modesty but you [traditionally] needed a reason to be modest [so ostentatiously]. The yeshiva world today does not wear black for modesty. They wear it because it is their uniform.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;People complain that <A HREF=\"http:\/\/yu.ed\">YU<\/a> is so frum today because a lot of the guys wear the uniform. Penguins, they call it. Black and white with a hat. They just want that yeshivish mode. In Israel, they would never dress that way because black means haredi.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;In Lithuania, they did not put their <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tzitzit\">tzitzit<\/a> out.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;In the Sephardic world, of course you don&#8217;t wear the <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tzitzit\">tzitzit<\/a> out. The <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Isaac_Luria\">Ari<\/a> ruled that you wear <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tzitzit\">tzitzit<\/a> in.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;In Morocco, no one wore <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tzitzit\">tzitzit<\/a> out.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;R. Ovadiah Yosef has a long responsa that you should keep it in.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;No one has done a history, a sociology, of the American yeshivas the way I would do it. We have <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Samuel_Heilman\">Samuel Heilman<\/a>. <A HREF=\"http:\/\/www.torahinmotion.org\/spkrs_crnr\/faculty\/bioWilliamHelmreich.htm\">William B. Helmreich.<\/a> I&#8217;m not interested in the things they&#8217;re interested in.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m interested in when did the black clothing coming in. When did they start wearing <A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tzitzit\">tzitzit<\/a> out?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<A HREF=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Yaakov_Yisrael_Kanievsky\">The Steipler<\/a> is the only gadol who was in a non-Jewish army.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I was taken aback a few years ago when I had a beard when an old woman told me I had to earn the right to have a beard and I clearly had not. 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