A kindly goy tells me: You\u2019re right that nobody who isn\u2019t Orthodox can understand Orthodox Judaism\u2014but that isn\u2019t saying much from the pragmatic view, right? And I\u2019ve thought about it some, and concluded that the Jewish religion is false now, even if it was true at some point in the past. I could be wrong, though! But I\u2019m basing my judgment on a bit of experience with five or six Jewish friends and also on a preference for a world in which the imago dei principle is assumed, because I think without that assumption, various tribes will never even be able to agree on the basic nature of reality, let alone on values and theological stuff.<\/p>\n
I need help in the world. Life has been justifiable, but not always easy. And I\u2019ll take help from wherever I can get it. People who are tribal are less likely to help me, and so I suppose I\u2019ll land on something like universalism and liberalism because I have no tribe. But I get why you\u2019re doing differently, sort of\u2014even if it doesn\u2019t seem like ur ever been invited to that party myself.<\/p>\n
Take it this way: the Cofnas paper really blew out my faith in academic argument. It changed my view, seems to have made me much darker. After that, MacDonald also seems like a sophist. This is, of course, a tactic. Obscurantism and obfuscation. And I note that the result is basically me going silent… so if this was all a Jewish plot to silence any would-be Hitlers, rest assured, it worked on me. Congrats. I can live with that.<\/p>\n
Great getting Cofnas on. FWIW, he seems very smart to me. I don\u2019t think it was fair the way he said the entire alt-right basically accepted KMac as gospel. But in the end it may be that we admit we were fooled, and would have been wiser simply admitting we were out of our expertise. I guess our in-group interest clouded our judgment and motivated our biased replies. So I\u2019m comfortable bowing out now. Letting the rabbis rule & accepting their judgment in place of my own \u2014 or at least, not publicly arguing. Long live Israel.<\/p>\n
Is this a fair takeaway from Cofnas’s refutation of MacDonald?: the Jews do play a disproportionate role in all intellectual endeavors, including, importantly, media, politics & policy. The Jews therefore played a disproportionate (but not necessarily unified) role in eviscerating WASP and white-American culture, traditions, and demographics in the second half of the 20th century… BUT… they didn’t do it as a group evolutionary strategy or out of a concern for Jewish interests. We should assume, therefore, that their motivations were the same as any other Americans’ on average. Yes? <\/p>\n
I’m asking you because I trust your judgment more than my own on this, and because, while I’m moving on, I’d be happy to move on with as much a handle on reality as I can get. Would you say that Cofnas would accept my little summary there, more or less? Or am I still hearing incorrectly?<\/p>\n
There is still the reality of Jewish overrepresentation. When it comes to Nobel prizes, I get it. But I don\u2019t see how the default hypothesis fully explains the almost total control of media, for instance. Must I assume that everyone from Harvey Weinstein to Jake Tapper has an IQ of 180? Because if it\u2019s not that, they argument has to overcome Unz\u2019s take, even leaving aside the extraordinarily gifted. There are way more people in the Western world with IQs between 115-150 who are gentiles than there are who are Jewish. So they should own some of the major media corporations.<\/p>\n
…but now, having conceded that I have no expertise in the science and deferring to NC, I just doubt my own thinking. And I\u2019m happy to do that. Eventually those thoughts will stop if I ignore them, and then I can happily accept my station as a relatively successful person in a meritocratic globalist world order that was pretty-much pre-determined by genetics. Mind you, I\u2019m still listening to you. I\u2019m just tired of listening to me.<\/p>\n
If reasonably smart IQ 120-130 people like us can\u2019t effectively read a book like KMac\u2019s,… what does that mean? Must we all simply await the ruling from the few IQ-160 ruling class types like Pinker? No use me reading Cofnas. What does Pinker day I should think about it?<\/p>\n
I meant \u201cwhat does Pinker say I should think about it?\u201d \u2014 like, if you and I can read KMac and be persuaded, but ultimately we find out we were totally deluded when an IQ-160 comes along and reads KMac better than we did… then what\u2019s the point of reading anything? Shouldn\u2019t I just wait to receive my opinions from Cofnas from now on? This is the rabbinic model. It\u2019s foreign to me, and uncomfortable \u2014 I always thought I was as competent as anyone. But it turns out I\u2019m not. So, there\u2019s no use having an opinion on anything I read because someone more qualified and smarter can blast all my thinking. So why waste my time like that? Even reading. Cofnas feels futile once I see his superiority. I\u2019m just not an expert. But this model does imply a kind of hierarchy that leads to me falling silent and receiving my opinions from the authorities unless for some reason I happen to be the best educated smartest guy in the room at a given time.<\/p>\n
Mu point is that I spent a bit of time reading MacDonald & Cofnas. And talking to you. And I came away feeling way more concerned about Jewish in-group, uh, dynamics… than I was in 2016. But Cofnas says I shouldn\u2019t be, and everybody smarter than me tells me his paper is airtight. So I either trust myself and blow off the world\u2019s greatest minds\u2014and probably attribute to them some sort of in-group conniving\u2014or I trust them (and you) and assume my own thinking is a mess somehow… even if I don\u2019t see how or \u201cfeel\u201d how.<\/p>\n
My antisemitic feeling and my effort at a reasonably informed opinion must just be wrong. So, shrug. Whatever questions I still have must just be bigotry and a sort of mental virus… so I should let it go as quickly as possible, which is what I\u2019m gonna do. Just change my focus.<\/p>\n
Who are some gentiles that were persuaded by Cofnas? Maybe gentiles can\u2019t think about truth, but they can only judge according to their in-group interests, and so they haven\u2019t been able to see the light of reason even when they read Cofnas.<\/p>\n
In a society of 1000 people, where 20 are Jewish, and Jews have a one-standard deviation advantage over whites, who are 650 of the thousand… I would be interested in seeing how a statistician would map that. Assume the average Ashkenazi IQ is 115, so 10 of the 20 have IQs below 115. <\/p>\n
It\u2019s not really exciting to me. It actually feels depressing to me. And it does beg Dennis\u2019s repeated question: what is so sacred about globalist meritocracy that we should tolerate letting the Jewish ubermensch class rule over every aspect of our civilization? Would you expect me to be excited about that? Not only am I not excited, but I think it\u2019s fake… but I also saw War Games, and I\u2019m sick of reaching draws with the golem.<\/p>\n
The GRE max is 800 in each section. <\/p>\n
Cofnas: \u201cJews are going to dominate all the endeavors cuz they\u2019re smarter.\u201d<\/p>\n
Me: \u201cI doubt they\u2019re smarter.\u201d<\/p>\n
You: \u201cBased on what science mate?\u201d<\/p>\n
Me: \u201cJonathan Michael Kaplan and others who show that isolating x-factors is impossible.\u201d<\/p>\n
You: \u201cThat\u2019s been refuted.\u201d<\/p>\n
Me: \u201cWell, I disagree.\u201d<\/p>\n
You: \u201cScientists say you\u2019re wrong.\u201d<\/p>\n
Me: \u201cAre they all Jews?\u201d<\/p>\n
You: \u201c75% are.\u201d<\/p>\n
Me: \u201cwell, whatever. Fine.\u201d <\/p>\n
I mean what\u2019s the point? I do not have the credentials to argue with Pinker. I don\u2019t actually agree with him or you, but it obvious that I\u2019m not going to convince you or even justify my own view to you. It\u2019s like arguing theology. I find it tedious. <\/p>\n
I do actually feel pretty happy. I\u2019m convinced Jews think differently than I do. I\u2019m fine with that. And I\u2019m fine with my way. Postmodernism. No use continuing the dialog though. Nobody Jewish is hearing me, and I\u2019m not hearing them.<\/p>\n
But it\u2019s not actually socially respectable. Didn\u2019t you see the article today about the Jewish editor of NatGeo and her example of a photo from 1918 of some aboriginals with a caption \u201cthey\u2019re less intelligent.\u201d And Goldberg\u2019s comment: we don\u2019t do that kind of thing anymore. The default hypothesis doesn\u2019t have legs in mainstream American discourse. If it justifies Jewish dominance, then it justifies black poverty. Not happening… you\u2019ll have some autistic Jews and some Dylann Roofs all agreeing with Cofnas. But I\u2019m out…<\/p>\n
Now imagine that those 10 of 1000 with IQs over 115 own ALL of the major media corporations. Never mind that at least 50 of the 650 whites also have IQs over 115. When pressed, the Jews spin it this way: \u201cwell, 4 of our 10 have IQs over 160.\u201d And the white says, \u201c5 of our 50 have IQs over 150.\u201d <\/p>\n
Change my view.<\/p>\n
Also nepotism. I mean obviously. Which btw fine call it networking, but Jewish lawyers (no doubt) argues successfully before the Supreme Court that \u201cdiscriminatory\u201d hiring should be illegal. Back when whites networked.<\/p>\n
Your interview with Cofnas was good. And good luck with Spencer. Maybe you can have Steven Pinker on eventually.<\/p>\n
I can\u2019t tell if you\u2019re just shilling or if you\u2019re serious when you criticize the chat for conspiracy thinking, but can I suggest an earnest answer? It is because for normie gentile Americans, even the idea that Jews have disproportionate power and influence in all intellectual endeavors sounds like a shocking conspiracy theory. To go beyond that, and read a book (KMac\u2019s) about *why* they might have such power\u2014to even get that far, one has to have been willing to take up highly taboo conspiratorial thinking with an open mind. You seem to have lost track of just how solid this psychological firewall protecting Jews is in the mind of the average white American. If I said to my sister that Jews have disproportionate power… that would shock and appall him. So for the few who have the (whatever it is?\u2014courage? gall?) to break through and think about Jewish influence, try to understand how disorienting that is. Our entire civilization is a conspiracy designed to keep us from noticing. And so once you notice, of course you question the Holocaust narrative.<\/p>\n
But like I said I can\u2019t tell when you\u2019re being honest anymore\u2014if that\u2019s just a shit-talking point to keep viewership up or expose antisemites, okay, keep at it.<\/p>\n
What part is it that most baffles you?\u2014the part about being shocked by the mere mention of the possibility of Jewish overrepresentation? I never met a Jewish person until I was 23, and even then they were converts. I had one pretty good friend at my school here in NC who was reform\/atheist, and he seemed autistic to me, and married a gentile woman. That was in about 2009. I was 31 then. It wasn\u2019t really until I was about 35 and only because I was reading your blog\u2014which, btw, I was reading alongside Graham Hancock\u2019s book \u201cFingerprints of the Gods\u201d (look it up, for comparison, to understand what kind of gentile reads http:\/\/lukeford.net )… only then that I became convinced Jews were a real power in the world. <\/p>\n
This also explains why almost all of the alt-right is atheist. Any American Christian hasn\u2019t shown enough willingness to refuse the narrative to go over to the alt-right. If you can\u2019t tell your mommy you don\u2019t believe in god, then surely you won\u2019t investigate \u201cthe Jewish question.\u201d All your stay in your lane talk won\u2019t be persuasive to these people because they\u2019ve been out of their lane since they first noticed Jewish power & influence.<\/p>\n
Just trying to help. I bet almost none of your gentile readers believe in the god\/church they were raised to believe in.<\/p>\n
No school mentions Jewish power. No television show. No church since Vatican 2. We are raised in an entire system that makes Jewish overrepresentation invisible. Does this surprise you, really? And then, when we notice \u2014 which, for me, was only when you basically insisted that I notice \u2014 there is no explanation for how blind(ed) we have been. Was it all an accident? Everyone knew, but just *forgot* to mention to two consecutive generations that Jews are basically running your entire civilization…? When we were required to watch Schindler\u2019s List in 8th grade, do you think it came with a prec\u00eds on Jewish overrepresentation? And if all of this not noticing was accidental, then I really am a wacky \u201cconspiracy theorist.\u201d But the other hypothesis is that the whole structure of my civilization was a conspiracy designed to hide in plain daylight this otherwise uncomfortable fact.<\/p>\n
I had no suspicion of the lie and no consent to being lied to before I was 35.<\/p>\n
I wish I could see a poll of gentile Americans under age 35 on the question, \u201cAre Jews overrepresented in every intellectual endeavor in America?\u201d Guessing 70% would say no. And if you sorted by \u201ccollege educated,\u201d the number might be 80% saying no.<\/p>\n
You seem to think that all gentile Americans have thought carefully about Jewish overrepresentation, and that most have landed on some benign explanation, while only the freaks in your chat have spun out into this antisemitic view of things. But it\u2019s my hypothesis that the gentiles who are not antisemitic have not thoroughly considered even the basic premise that Jews are overrepresented. This is why I think the race realism strategy is going to backfire for Jews. As you teach undergrads more and more that Ashkenazi have high IQs and therefore win all the prizes… that\u2019s not going to help Jews.<\/p>\n
Okay I guess that\u2019s my take. What\u2019s your understanding? I have a hunch that you also feel \u201cgaslit\u201d and surprised and disoriented… why do you think you attract all the daily stormer schizophrenic conspiracy theorist IQ-115 crowd?<\/p>\n
It is a very weird feeling I have \u2014 I\u2019ve experienced it before, but only a couple times, where a person I agree with has different reasons than I do for our shared assumptions or positions on stuff… and then all the sudden the difference in starting point comes into contrast. And you\u2019re a charismatic guy and a good talker and I like you, so I have been listening carefully\u2014but there is this whole mysterious half of your life too, and I don\u2019t understand it very well. I have said this about my dad also, btw. Not saying you\u2019re lying on purpose or deceptive, but I just feel like there is a sizable chunk of the pie graph of Luke that I can\u2019t see, and so it\u2019s hard to understand some of your argument.<\/p>\n
In general I do think that Judaism seems to give rise to a different sort of thinking \u2014 more collectivist, more political \u2014 than my native Methodism with some latent SDA stuff in my blood. I think about morality a lot, even if I do it in unorthodox terms. I don\u2019t like talking about \u201cChristianity,\u201d but as an operating system, I just acknowledge that it\u2019s in me and dominant. So, some of the politicking of the alt-right seems debased to me. It seems unjustified metaphysically. I pray a lot, mostly just chanting, and I have never prayed about my group interest or any of that.<\/p>\n
The difference I guess is that you have hope that science can settle this for us (or \u201cus\u201d), but I\u2019m more skeptical about that… I like that really wacky almost new age stuff where people like Schopenhauer start asking whether we can even know what\u2019s real, let alone trust our perceptions or test stuff reliably in a lab. So whereas you seem confident and motivated about all this stuff now, I feel like many truths can all be simultaneously true… and I can\u2019t pick one. Sorry if this is annoying\u2014my hasty retreat. It just felt disorienting, discombobulating. I feel like I tried to take in in a year what it took you 25 years to take in… it is overwhelming.<\/p>\n
I also don\u2019t feel like I can learn any more right now, because I can\u2019t freely ask the questions I want to (publicly) ask in order to gain more understanding. I can learn from reading, but I\u2019ve always learned best from talking. And the ADL (and the normies) have really disincentivized learning any more on this topic, at least in the way that I like to learn… I can tell that even you, who really are pretty impossible to offend, still have felt like \u201cwow did he just say that?\u201d about some of my trolls or tweets or chat posts. But that is how I learn. How do people react to what I say. What if I say a crazy thing, etc.? But the penalty is too high now.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
A kindly goy tells me: You\u2019re right that nobody who isn\u2019t Orthodox can understand Orthodox Judaism\u2014but that isn\u2019t saying much from the pragmatic view, right? And I\u2019ve thought about it some, and concluded that the Jewish religion is false now, … Continue reading