{"id":11862,"date":"2009-10-15T20:41:28","date_gmt":"2009-10-16T04:41:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=11862"},"modified":"2010-08-12T10:02:22","modified_gmt":"2010-08-12T18:02:22","slug":"he-saysshe-says","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=11862","title":{"rendered":"He Says\/She Says"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>8:30 am. She&#8217;s driving to work.&nbsp; &quot;Honey, you forgot to leave money on the table last night.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Hey,&quot; he says, &quot;women should pay me for ***.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Though that&#8217;s probably the most degrading thing for a woman,&quot; she says, &quot;I would wholeheartedly endorse that.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;So the back of your knees are your weak point,&quot; he says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Oh God,&quot; she says, &quot;I could feel them right now when you said that. Baby, all of me is my weak point. You are my weak point. I say, I don&#8217;t feel sexy. It&#8217;s not going to work. You just managed to get me in the mood.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I just floated out on a cloud. My whole body, my mind, yeah. You were the antidote. I need to bottle some of your ***** for when I need to feel happy. It&#8217;s better than <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lexapro.com\">Lexapro<\/a>.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I think a three-pronged attack is best,&quot; he says. &quot;&#8230;followed by whole body massage followed by a vigorous tongue lashing.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Within an inch of my life,&quot; she says. &quot;It&#8217;s ridiculous. All my defenses. All my worries. All my depression. I just have to give in. I can&#8217;t fight. I have to totally surrender. Then, when you **** me, that totally makes me surrender.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;It&#8217;s like drilling for oil,&quot; he says, &quot;and I felt the oil welling up around my ****.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Oh God,&quot; she says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;You&#8217;re not used to my blunt language,&quot; he says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Yeah,&quot; she says. &quot;It scares me. Your masculine energy is scary.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;<a href=\"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=11678\">The dog wants to see you<\/a>. He&#8217;s been talking about you. <a href=\"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=11529\">You snuggle with him like only a man can<\/a>. I can&#8217;t do that.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;It was funny,&quot; he says, &quot;when he ***** my *** when I was ******* you. It helped me keep my ******. Maybe this is the ********* you&#8217;ve always wanted.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I was looking at this article I published,&quot; she says, &quot;and I can&#8217;t look at it. You are so lucky that you don&#8217;t have shame about what you write.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I remember a teacher in high school,&quot; he says, &quot;who said, &#8216;You wouldn&#8217;t care if you had a big fat pimple on the end of his nose. You don&#8217;t care how you look.&#8217;&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I have deep shame,&quot; she says. &quot;It&#8217;s one of the hardest things about my relationship with writing. Any writing. I want to die. I hate myself and I hate it. I want to throw up.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I asked you about your writing once and it never occurred to you to feel shame about it.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;My writing is mainly blogging which is not writing,&quot; he says. &quot;I feel shame in certain contexts when I run into people who are appalled or hurt by what I&#8217;ve written.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>She laughs. &quot;Otherwise you can put it out of your head.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;If you knew you were truly unattractive, you would try to do something about how you look. But at the end of the day, you know you&#8217;re attractive, so you don&#8217;t really care. It&#8217;s fine. It is a way of hiding.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;What are you wearing today?&quot; he asks.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Oh, you don&#8217;t want to know. It&#8217;s so inappropriately casual. Everyone&#8217;s in little suits and kitten heels.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;You&#8217;re dyking out,&quot; he says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I am,&quot; she says. &quot;I so look like a lesbian today. But I&#8217;ve got that group.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;That&#8217;s right,&quot; he says. &quot;You&#8217;ve got an image to uphold. Don&#8217;t let them know that a man was ******** you last night.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I hope it doesn&#8217;t show, babe,&quot; she says. &quot;I hope the ***** doesn&#8217;t start ******** out.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>He says: &quot;The rabbi is going to take one look at you and say, &#8216;You&#8217;ve been plucked&#8217;.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Baby,&quot; she says, &quot;don&#8217;t watch the movie (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt0106112\/\">Return to Lonesome Dove<\/a>) without me.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;OK, baby,&quot; he says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;On my way back driving,&quot; she says, &quot;I felt my neck tightening. I just shook it out for a minute. I&#8217;m becoming much more aware. Thank you for the most amazing night.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I have this CD with writing assignments with instructors I studied with for years. There&#8217;s also a guided meditation. That would be super fun.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;You should bring it over on Sunday,&quot; he says.<\/p>\n<p>8 pm.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;<a href=\"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=11853\">So I saw the doctor<\/a>,&quot; he says over the phone. &quot;<a href=\"http:\/\/yourmoralleader.blogspot.com\/2009\/10\/do-you-think-it-is-psychological.html\">He thinks it might be psychological<\/a>.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>She bursts out laughing. &quot;Oh baby.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;He thinks I should go back to therapy,&quot; he says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Oh baby,&quot; she laughs.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I&#8217;m going to get his email address,&quot; he says, &quot;and just cut and paste <a href=\"http:\/\/yourmoralleader.blogspot.com\/2009\/10\/do-you-think-it-is-psychological.html\">that email I sent you<\/a>.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Maybe he&#8217;ll take it as well as <a href=\"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?cat=245\">Holly<\/a> did,&quot; she says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Baby, promise me that no matter how sick you are and how tired you are and how you can&#8217;t leave your apartment, don&#8217;t watch that movie without me. Did you watch it?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I watched it. It wasn&#8217;t very good. I didn&#8217;t want you to suffer through a bad movie.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I&#8217;m going to masturbate ten times a day,&quot; she says. &quot;I&#8217;m going to have no sexual desire at all. You promised. You&#8217;re lucky you&#8217;re a sick man or I&#8217;d kick your ass.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I have to know that I can&#8217;t trust you in this way. You&#8217;re not reliable with your movie promises. Oh well.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Have you been following the debate about <a href=\"http:\/\/failedmessiah.typepad.com\/failed_messiahcom\/2009\/09\/rabbi-elyashiv-rules-no-crocs-on-yom-kippur-678.html\">wearing crocs on Yom Kippur<\/a>? It pushes my buttons too much, even when discussing it with Conservative and Reform Jews. I just get so riled up. I&#8217;m such a bitch.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Do you talk out?&quot; he asks.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Oh God, completely,&quot; she says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Would you be OK with me coming?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;You&#8217;re not coming,&quot; she says.<\/p>\n<p>He thinks: &quot;<font size=\"2\" face=\"Arial\">I wonder if I held your head up you&#8217;d need to talk  out so much in these meetings&#8230; I should be there with you&#8230;but in a gay  way.&quot;<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font size=\"2\" face=\"Arial\">&quot;My dog loves to lick me,&quot; she says. &quot;When I&#8217;m taking a bath, he licks my ankles. When I get back from a hike, he licks my arm pits. He doesn&#8217;t care about how I smell. Whereas for you, I try to be somewhat hygienic and attractive.<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font size=\"2\" face=\"Arial\">&quot;My friend asked me if you shower. I said totally.&quot;<\/font><\/p>\n<p>He says: &quot;She thinks I&#8217;m a dirty Jew.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I told her about your hovel and your clothing,&quot; she says. &quot;Your beard. But I told her you are definitely hygienic. She thinks Jews are pretty disgusting.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;She hates Orthodox Jews?&quot; he asks.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Yeah,&quot; she says. &quot;Contempt beyond contempt.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;That&#8217;s good,&quot; he says. &quot;You guys can be contemptuous together.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;It&#8217;s such a bonding thing,&quot; she says. &quot;Sometimes we tell each other the worst Jew stories we know&#8230; She has some good ones. She&#8217;s just honest&#8230; That&#8217;s how people think of them.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Give me an example,&quot; he says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;No,&quot; she says. &quot;That would be like you telling about sex with your last girlfriend. When I asked you that, you said, I don&#8217;t remember.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Smart man.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Your girlfriends? Are they on the submissive side?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Holly was a firecracker,&quot; he says. &quot;She was a very dominant woman. She did like to be dominated in the bedroom.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Which one was <a href=\"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?cat=245\">Holly [Randall]<\/a>?&quot; she says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;The pornographer. The photographer and the alcoholic. She&#8217;s very similar to you. Very strong. Dominant in the outside world. Contemptuous towards men. &#8216;I&#8217;m going to stay close to all the ex-boyfriends I want.&#8217; She had pictures of her exes all over the house. I&#8217;d look up from her bed or go to the frig and there they were.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;She was very well-read. Her parents (Suze Randall and Humphry Knipe) were well-read. They&#8217;re erudite pornographers.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I sent Holly the <a href=\"http:\/\/yourmoralleader.blogspot.com\/2009\/10\/do-you-think-it-is-psychological.html\">same email<\/a>.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;And she was cool with the whole religion thing?&quot; she asks.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Yeah,&quot; he says. &quot;She had zero interest in joining me. In her life, she had never been inside a church or synagogue.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I&#8217;ve dated a lot of women who are contemptuous of men. There&#8217;s something in that that appeals to me. Ballbusters.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Are you always super-thoughtful, considerate boyfriend?&quot; she asks.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Yeah,&quot; he says. &quot;Holly would say, I&#8217;d never know what you feel unless I was reading your blog.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I express my feelings via my writing. Doing it orally doesn&#8217;t come naturally to me.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;You&#8217;re clearly a very doting man,&quot; she says. &quot;That&#8217;s your general MO with women?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Yeah,&quot; he dotes. &quot;I tend to be attracted to women who are contemptuous.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I am a taker more than a giver,&quot; she says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;As long as I can give you pleasure,&quot; he says, &quot;I feel good. If I can&#8217;t give you pleasure, if I can&#8217;t do things for you, I feel awful. If I can give something to you that you find valuable, then I feel competent and manly, but if everything I try to do for you, you are contemptuous and dismissive of, then I feel emasculated.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Oh,&quot; she says. &quot;Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I hadn&#8217;t thought about that until today. That&#8217;s definitely a pattern I do. I look for men who are very doting, but then it doesn&#8217;t turn out well. Seriously.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Why is that?&quot; he asks, sinking in his chair.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Because I lose interest when they don&#8217;t have anything to give me,&quot; she says. &quot;It&#8217;s almost karmic. I keep on playing that out.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;You get bored?&quot; he asks.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I realize that I can give a lot of those things to myself,&quot; she says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;So you don&#8217;t need them,&quot; he says. &quot;They&#8217;re not worth the aggravation.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I like that you are so poor,&quot; she says. &quot;I definitely know that I am interested in you and it&#8217;s not for the money. That&#8217;s a really big thing. I&#8217;m never going to do that again.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Did ****** support you?&quot; he asks.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Very much,&quot; she says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Is that why you were faithful to him?&quot; he asks.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;No,&quot; she says. &quot;I made that decision a while before he was paying the rent.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;But why did you make the decision to be faithful to him?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Because he scared me. He basically said, it was his way or the highway. I was like, gulp, OK. He lay down the law really early on. You&#8217;re like afraid to tell me things but if you say anything, I&#8217;m like a little obedient dog. So know your power in your speech. It&#8217;s not only in the bedroom. You just say stuff and I&#8217;m like OK.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I guess he was manly and assertive,&quot; he says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I told him about your ***uality and what it did to me,&quot; she says. &quot;I told him about <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/David_Deida\">David Deida<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Monogamy is more my nature, but at 22 with my friend from YULA, we were club-hopping. Our goal was to get on the best lists in the city, to know everybody and to be photographed for the society pages. I was working as a model. My boyfriend would bust me constantly flirting with other guys, but he wanted to get his ass kicked. It was something he needed karmicly and I provided it.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;In my senior year, I should&#8217;ve applied for an MFA. It was the most obvious thing in the world. I was way too scared. Until eight years ago, I was like a little bunny.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;You didn&#8217;t feel like you were worthy of getting an MFA?&quot; he asks.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;God no,&quot; she says. &quot;For an MFA, you have to take a GMAT, the test for graduate school. That&#8217;s like math and stuff. I thought, I&#8217;ll never be able to do this. I thought about the whole application process. I went to New York and I started modeling.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;You&#8217;re not fond of Jews,&quot; he says, &quot;and yet you&#8217;d like to live in Israel?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Oh no,&quot; she says. &quot;I like secular Jews just fine. The people I knew from day school, they&#8217;d go to nice restaurants and not wear their kipa. They were very cultured and sophisticated, not like the Brooklyn Jews. Israel is so secular.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I don&#8217;t know what I even want. I&#8217;m so used to always having a goal. I don&#8217;t have one anymore. When you have a goal, you never feel lonely. It feels like a reason to get up every day.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I feel like I&#8217;m still ******** **** *****,&quot; he says. &quot;I&#8217;ve felt very bonded to you all day.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Me too,&quot; she says. &quot;When I heard your voice this morning, I just started getting very excited.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;You feel very clear in your purposes.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I&#8217;m not always sure how to get there,&quot; he says. &quot;Life is a narrow bridge. The important thing is not to be afraid. Lie lie lie lie lie lie lie. You love hearing me sing.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I so lost my sexual attraction,&quot; she says. &quot;Judaism provides that for you? A sense of hope and goodness and something?&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Yeah,&quot; he says. &quot;I don&#8217;t know how one could be hopeful if one thinks that this world is all there is. That Hitler and Mother Theresa have the same fate. There&#8217;s no rational reason to be happy or hopeful.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Yep,&quot; she says. &quot;In all the happiness studies, people who are religious are happy.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;And people who are conservative,&quot; he says. &quot;And married.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Definitely,&quot; she says, &quot;a lot of the time I think there&#8217;s nothing to live for. I get really scared because I don&#8217;t really want children. I don&#8217;t believe in anything. The only thing I believe in is the present and even now that just turns into the past.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;How can you be anything but unhappy with that worldview?&quot; he asks. &quot;Unless you delude yourself that there is some meaning you make up.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Oh,&quot; she says, &quot;all meaning is made up.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I believe it is real,&quot; he says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;To me, it is very simplistic,&quot; she says, &quot;and I&#8217;ll never be able to do that. Faith. Blind faith. <em>Naaseh vnishmah<\/em> (we will do and we will understand, the Israelites said at Sinai according to tradition), no way.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I&#8217;ve never said <em>naaseh vnishmah<\/em>,&quot; he says.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I believe in chocolate,&quot; she says. &quot;And not much else. It&#8217;s definitely pretty scary.&quot;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>8:30 am. 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