{"id":110930,"date":"2016-12-29T10:01:20","date_gmt":"2016-12-29T18:01:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=110930"},"modified":"2016-12-29T10:17:06","modified_gmt":"2016-12-29T18:17:06","slug":"steve-sailer-america-zionism-and-the-path-to-mutual-respect","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=110930","title":{"rendered":"Steve Sailer: “America, Zionism, and the Path to Mutual Respect”"},"content":{"rendered":"

Steve Sailer writes<\/a>: “The path to mutual respect is to insist upon reciprocity. The most reasonable bargain would be for conservatives to demand of neoconservatives that in return for American support for Zionism, Zionists must publicly support America deploying the same immigration policies as Israel currently enjoys.”<\/p>\n

Comments:<\/p>\n

* A sensible suggestion, though ignoring the foreign policy costs the US pays for its support of Israel, including the ways it entangles the US in foreign wars and rivalries.<\/p>\n

Interesting to note however the currently fourth newest comment beneath the article, from someone apparently subsequently removed (\u201cguest\u201d) by either Taki\u2019s or by Disqus:<\/p>\n

“So, apparently, linking to this typically informative piece by Mr. Sailer has gotten me banned from NRO and all my previous comments removed, down the Stalinist photoshop memory hole.”<\/p>\n

As I\u2019ve noted before, we face an onslaught against dissident opinion on all the fronts of \u201cpolitical correctness\u201d, but the suppression of opinion seen as unpalatable by jewish nationalists and identity lobbyists seems to be the most ferociously and efficiently policed aspect of the assault on liberty. Something another of Sailer\u2019s recent pieces touched upon:<\/p>\n

Will Trump be Good for the Jewish People<\/a><\/p>\n

* In my experience there\u2019s almost nothing I can say about Israel, or even about Jews, that will not result in some nut, or crook, accusing me of anti-semitism. So I\u2019m saying nowt.<\/p>\n

* \u201cIt\u2019s not my country.\u201d<\/p>\n

But in the US, esp if one is conservative, one gets nowhere without loving Israel more than one\u2019s own country.<\/p>\n

Just a reality.<\/p>\n

So, it\u2019s not a matter of passion for Israel. It\u2019s about passion for independence FROM Israel-First-ism, which has turned into a right-wing version of minority-first-ism.<\/p>\n

\u2018Rightist\u2019 Jews tell gentile conservatives, \u201cyou must love Israel more than the US.\u201d
\n\u2018Leftist\u2019 Jews tell gentile liberals, \u201cyou must love non-white minority more than white majority.\u201d<\/p>\n

So, even if one has no feelings about Israel itself, American Politics is impossible without impassioned(or enraged) reactions to relation between US and Israel even if one is indifferent to issues INSIDE Israel.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s like this. Suppose Taiwan Lobby is the most powerful in America. Suppose Taiwanese-Americans have dominant control of media, academia, finance, and etc.
\nNow, suppose most of us don\u2019t care about Taiwan itself or its relations with China.
\nBut the fact is we still need to pay a lot of attention to the Taiwan Factor since the ruling elites would be Taiwanese-Americans who use all means, fair and foul, to compel us to support their agenda. We have no choice.<\/p>\n

The problem with Israel is we don\u2019t have to a choice. We must feign \u2018passion\u2019 even if we don\u2019t have it if we are to get anywhere in America. That is the problem.<\/p>\n

We don\u2019t have to care about Armenia or Nepal to make it in the US. But try to move up the ladder, esp in politics or media, if one is indifferent or esp hostile to Israel.<\/p>\n

* This might have gotten the sequence of events backwards: America\u2019s immigration hawks have had to win first. Then, maybe, they\u2019re in place to offer something to the Zionists for their ongoing support.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s early to say, but it\u2019s possible that trends are pushing Zionism more and more towards being a movement of the right, or, conversely, leaving little comfortable ideological room for left-wing Zionists. I expect Trump to be even more unabashedly pro-Israel and pro-Likud than even the Bush Administration, both out of personal inclinations (his son-in-law is an Orthodox Jew; his proposed ambassador to Israel is Orthodox and also a supporter of the settler movement; and I wouldn\u2019t be surprised if Trump generally sees the Palestinians as a bunch of losers); as well as political convenience. Support for Israel scrambles the whole \u201cTrump is a Nazi\u201d meme and squeezes the majority of American Jews \u2013 who are liberal, Reform, often secular, but still try to be Zionist \u2013 into an uncomfortable position. Obama, of course, has helped this by selling Israel out, the first time an American President has ever done so, at the UN. Israel is turning more and more right wing itself.<\/p>\n

Again, it\u2019s early to say, but this might be a positive development. Scrambling the allegiances and personal loyalties of and causing discomfort to a group that would produce many of Trump\u2019s biggest potential political foes (liberal American Jews) isn\u2019t a bad thing. I personally don\u2019t see and have never seen why the US needs to engage in the kabuki of playing some sort of \u201chonest broker\u201d for \u201cpeace,\u201d as opposed to supporting an ally outright, or for that matter what claim, after seven unbroken decades of defeats, the Palestinians have to nationhood, other than being propped up by broader international power politics. (Does anyone today mourn Biafra?) The irony that the majority of American Jews would lose control over the American-Israeli relationship, the meaning of Zionism, and part of their own identity to an aggressive and identitarian minority would be an ironic and fractally-shaped phenomenon.<\/p>\n

Then again, the last Republican President who played footsie with American and Israeli neocons caused a lot of trouble and ran his own Administration and party into a ditch.<\/p>\n

* I presume this means support for immigration policies that promote the maintenance or re-establishment of the United States as a European- or Northern European-majority country, explicitly end birthright citizenship, and allow for the deportation of all illegal infiltrators.<\/p>\n

* Obama did not \u201csell Israel out.\u201d The United States owes Israel nothing.<\/p>\n

* I\u2019m sick of the Middle Eastern wars. Thousands of Americans dead and trillions of dollars gone, and for what? Elevated testosterone levels in the blood of a few neocons and flush bank accounts for a few oil barons? We can toss the Israelis materiel and money (and their relatives can chip in privately), but they\u2019re not worth the bones of one Alabama grenadier.<\/p>\n

* \u201c\u2026Israel doesn\u2019t arouse strong passions in me\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

I want you to close your eyes and think of Golda Meir for 30 seconds.<\/p>\n

* Gotta hand it to Obama: Stirring up crap with Israel might turn out to be a clever way of tripping up Trump.<\/p>\n

If I had to identify the biggest fault lines in the Trump coalition, Israel would be near the top. On one hand, you\u2019ve got Trumpers who view Israel as a friend, ally, and potential model for a responsible resurgence of nationalism; they merely seek to rein in the Bush-era neocon nuttery and avoid straying too far from narrowly-defined US interests.<\/p>\n

On the other hand, you\u2019ve got the Trumpers who think (((echoes))) are funny and see right-wing Israeli Zionism and left-wing Jewish subversion of Western culture as two sides of the same evil coin.<\/p>\n

The good thing is that, as of right now, both sides seem to realize that they need the other, so they\u2019re keeping a lid on internal disagreements.<\/p>\n

Trump himself appears to fall into the first camp, but he\u2019s conscious that he has a lot of supporters in the second camp, so he tries to avoid antagonizing them. I\u2019m hoping he\u2019ll continue that approach, but it might be hard, especially if the Left tries to intentionally stoke the flames. I\u2019m hoping Trump and his supporters \u2014 and the Israelis, for that matter \u2014 won\u2019t fall for this transparent \u201clet\u2019s you and him fight\u201d gambit.<\/p>\n

* Israelis should purse their interests and their security as they see fit. And America should stop being the co-signer on their mortgage.<\/p>\n

* Israel\u2019s built-in immigration policy is Right of Return, which is a variation of family reunification in a sense.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s also in a sense similar to the White Australia policy, which seems very sensible in practice, though I would never say that out loud. Did I just say that out loud?<\/p>\n

I got into iSteve mainly on the immigration issue (and movies): Tie it to labor demand, and have it reflect the founding population. Unfortunately, possession and the law and that, the \u2018changing demographics\u2019 kind of ruined the second part.<\/p>\n

\u2018Citizenism\u2019 is where it\u2019s at, and it really should be used by Trump and everyone else to describe the general philosophy of this new movement or whatever it is.<\/p>\n

Leftists get very stroppy when you even differentiate between citizens and non, esp. here in NYC. But citizens don\u2019t. That\u2019s why we should use it.<\/p>\n

* Obama doesn\u2019t like Israel. Netanyahu did endorse Mitt Romney after all. So on his way out he declines to use his veto to protect them from some UN resolution. Kerry says then goes and says apartheid is bad. Netanyahu complains. Trump, hoping to gain some points with the (non-alt-)right and possibly get to see his grandkids more often, goes after Obama and claims he\u2019ll be nicer to Israel, annoying the alt-right.<\/p>\n

Now did Obama do this to split the non-alt-right and alt-right? Maybe. Most of Trump\u2019s working class base doesn\u2019t give a pork bottom one way or the other about Israel, but the elite left is always on Twitter and is hoping to see the \/pol\/ crowd turn on Trump. Doesn\u2019t really seem to be working so far\u2013everyone\u2019s more worked up over Baked Alaska versus Cernovich from what I can see.<\/p>\n

* As an American rightie, my view on the Jewish Question is pretty simple: I play by the rules as I have found them. Since the end of World War II, one of the ironclad rules has been: No antisemitic (or anti-Jewish, or anti-Zionist, or anti-Israel, or whatever you want to call it) person from the right will ever be allowed anywhere near the levers of power. Ever. Period. End of discussion.<\/p>\n

Don\u2019t like it? Thank good ol\u2019 A.H.<\/p>\n

As with all rules, this one will probably be modified, eventually \u2014 but probably not for, I\u2019d say another 100 years, at least: Around 2116 or thereabouts. Long enough for World War II to seem as far in the past as the War of Austrian Succession is today.<\/p>\n

Now the left is a different kettle of fish. If hating on Israel or whatever is a nonnegotiable issue for you, then your place in this day and age is on the left. On the left, you can stand around all day singing the Horst Wessel Lied and reading aloud excerpts from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, but as long as you\u2019re wearing a Che Guevara shirt and dreadlocks, and throw in a sprinkling of quotes from Marx and Jay-Z, then a jaw-droppingly huge chunk of the left will be willing to look the other way and make excuses for you. Not ALL of them will \u2014 but enough will. You\u2019ll be protected.<\/p>\n

If that\u2019s your thing, then go out and live your dreams, man.<\/p>\n

But shave your head and start flashing Nazi salutes, and the entire culture, Jewish and non-Jewish alike, will wheel its artillery around and unload on your coordinates. Nukes will be authorized. There will be no survivors.<\/p>\n

Fine. I can live with that. Jewish malevolence towards gentiles is way, way, waaaaay down the list of my concerns. It\u2019s not a nonissue for me, but it\u2019s way, waaaaaay down there. I am a Woody Allen fan, for crying out loud. If enthusiasm for Jews and Israel is the price I have to pay to be a respectable right-winger, I\u2019ll be happy to pay it \u2026 up to a point. I\u2019m an American and will always place American interests first: That\u2019s nonnegotiable for me. But if I have to say \u201cyay, Israel! Yay, Bibi!\u201d every now and then to get there \u2026 hey, whatever, man.<\/p>\n

I suspect Donald Trump would agree. The only reason we GOT Trump is because he reliably spouts the bipartisan consensus on Israel.<\/p>\n

Like I said: Fine. Whatever. I have more pressing issues. Yay, Israel. Are you happy now?<\/p>\n

As Steve said: It\u2019s not my country. Let me have a sane, responsible government for MY country, and then Israel can go do whatever the hell it wants, as long as they keep me out of it.<\/p>\n

* Obama did this for his own ego, nothing to do with Trump. He despised Bibi from day one, and the enmity was similar to that between him and Putin, palpable and uncomfortable. Obama was never good at mixing with strong alpha males like Putin or Bibi, preferring to kid around and take selfies with Trudeau, Merkel or Turnbull in Australia.<\/p>\n

Support for Israel is pretty much 89% among Trump supporters, 10% don\u2019t give a toss, and 1% are strongly anti-Israel (e.g. Richard Spencer etc). Trump supporting Bibi and inviting him to the White House will show two alpha males in good company, in agreement, and both demonstrating strength and resolve to Arabs, the UN, and the EU. Liberal Jews will be forced to accept Trump will probably be the most pro-Israel President in history, and will probably be the most well-loved US politician in Israel (the amount of support for Trump among the right wing Israelis over there is already \u2018yuge\u2019).<\/p>\n

Trump, however, is not so dumb as to kowtow to another world leader, especially a world leader who is very similar to him (there will be a male rivalry between Bibi and the Don, in a good natured way). Trump will \u2018stand with Israel\u2019 but I doubt he will permit the exorbitant foreign aid to continue. He also has an uncanny way of charismatically going againt the Israel\/Neocon narrative. Look at Iraq and the Mid East more generally \u2013 during the primary debates he frequently denounced Bush and Co as \u2018knowing\u2019 that Saddam had no WMDs yet invaded anyway. He denounced the \u2018stupid\u2019 decisions made by past administrations in going into the Mid East and not winning anything, spending trillions and costing thousands of lives. This goes against the Yinon Plan, which has been a staple of Israeli foreign policy since the 70s and 80s (i.e. intervene in the Mid East to destabilise Arab nations and splinter them into ethnic factions. Iraq was specifically targeted by Yinon as a country to destabilise as soon as practicable). Trump\u2019s foreign policy, ergo, is completely antithetical to Bibi\u2019s or Likud\u2019s. Trump won\u2019t fold on that either, if there\u2019s one thing he is dead-set consistent on is his anti-interventionism.<\/p>\n

In other words, Trump will control Bibi and \u2018manage\u2019 him, like he did with Paul Ryan or the GOP Congressional leaders. Trump is a master manipulator and PR genius. He isn\u2019t so stupid as to be made a fool of by another alpha male. It\u2019s all psychological for him, and for this reason, I\u2019m extremely confident he will use Israel to his \u2013 and America\u2019s \u2013 advantage.<\/p>\n

* I owe Israel nothing. Nada. I don\u2019t care whether it collapses tomorrow or endures for a thousand years. I feel nothing for it (or against it).<\/p>\n

To me, Israel is little more than a vacuum cleaner sucking money out of the U.S. Treasury. If it weren\u2019t for Mideast oil, I\u2019d stand back and watch the Jews and the Arabs slaughter each other to their hearts\u2019 content.<\/p>\n

In that fight, I\u2019d root for the Jews, if only because Islam is such a fearsome enemy. I might even bankroll them, but not to the extent that we\u2019re bankrolling them now.<\/p>\n

As an American, I seek to benefit myself and my country. Any benefits that might accrue to other countries through my actions are purely incidental. If other countries prosper as America jockeys for world leadership, wonderful; if not, too bad.<\/p>\n

Something tells me that the Israelis don\u2019t sit around agonizing over whether they\u2019re getting an unfair amount of aid from Uncle Sam. \u201cOy, how can we ever repay the Americans for all they\u2019ve done for us? We\u2019re in their eternal debt!\u201d<\/p>\n

I don\u2019t begrudge any man his single-minded devotion toward making his land and his kind reign supreme above all others. Jews, American or otherwise, are perfectly within their rights to try to convince me that I should give a hoot whether their supposed homeland withers or thrives. I\u2019m perfectly within my rights to tell them that I don\u2019t care one way or the other.<\/p>\n

Of course, the sad truth is that many of my fellow goys are dumb and\/or naive enough to swallow the BS: \u201cIsrael must get everything it wants, and more!\u201d If I weren\u2019t a free-speech absolutist, I would say that the neocons\u2019 views should be censored to protect the feeble-minded. But I do honestly believe that, in the end, the downsides of too much freedom of expression are far more tolerable than those of too little.<\/p>\n

* Steve Sailer: “Adelson\u2019s behavior in 2016 was admirable.”<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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