{"id":10379,"date":"2009-09-02T13:31:00","date_gmt":"2009-09-02T21:31:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=10379"},"modified":"2009-09-02T16:24:58","modified_gmt":"2009-09-03T00:24:58","slug":"lets-debate-fundamental-principles","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lukeford.net\/blog\/?p=10379","title":{"rendered":"Let&#8217;s Debate Fundamental Principles"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/online.wsj.com\/article\/SB10001424052970204731804574387010241108256.html\">Thomas Frank, who&#8217;s left of center, writes for the Wall Street Journal<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>What&#8217;s dragging the Democrats down in the health-care debate isn&#8217;t confusion about details. On this the president and his supporters have proven themselves the ablest of technocrats, easily identifying each plan&#8217;s particulars and its shortcomings, laying everything out on nice flow charts.<\/p>\n<p>It is the big questions that are tripping them up. Concerns about the size and role of government are what seem to leave reformers stammering and speechless in town-hall meetings. The right wants to have a debate over fundamental principles; elected Democrats seem incapable of giving it to them.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>In his first hour of today&#8217;s radio show, Dennis Prager talks to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/about\/staffID.2\/staff_detail.asp\">Jeff Stier<\/a>, associate director of the American Council on Science and Health. They discuss Big Pharma, lead in toys and e-cigarettes.<\/p>\n<p>Jeff: The Obama administration wants to pay for healthcare on the back of the pharmaceutical. They&#8217;ve already gotten $80 billion in givebacks (money Big Pharma have earned through innovation) and Congress wants a $100 billion. Why not take it all away?<\/p>\n<p>The best way to lower healthcare costs is to provide new innovative life-saving medicine that keeps people out of hospital.<\/p>\n<p>Yesterday the head of the Gates Foundation said that drug companies should give away vaccines. They shouldn&#8217;t have to. The reason we have so much innovative drug development in the United States is not because Americans are so much smarter than everyone else but because America has a free market where people can take risks and make profits. Almost all drug development takes place in countries with a free market.<\/p>\n<p>Many Republicans agree that pharmaceutical companies should pay for more healthcare.<\/p>\n<p>Is there a level of profit where you would save pharmaceutical companies are making too much profit? No. If they make what economists may call &quot;excess profits,&quot; competitors will enter the industry and drive down prices. The more money they make, the better, because it means they are making new drugs.<\/p>\n<p>Jeff&#8217;s articles:<\/p>\n<table cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" border=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\"><span class=\"welcome\">News Center<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"2\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/images\/spacer.gif\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\"><img decoding=\"async\" vspace=\"3\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/images\/bullet_footer.gif\" \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/healthissues\/newsID.1400\/healthissue_detail.asp\">Something to Chew Over (from the Wall Street Journal)<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"2\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/images\/spacer.gif\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\"><img decoding=\"async\" vspace=\"3\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/images\/bullet_footer.gif\" \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/news\/newsID.949\/news_detail.asp\">Bitter pill for FDA: law on herbal supplements<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"2\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/images\/spacer.gif\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\"><img decoding=\"async\" vspace=\"3\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/images\/bullet_footer.gif\" \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/healthissues\/newsID.928\/healthissue_detail.asp\">New Lead Law Poisons Housing (from New York Post)<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"2\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/images\/spacer.gif\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\">[&nbsp;<a class=\"readfull\" href=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/about\/staffID.2\/news_list.asp\">List All<\/a>&nbsp;]<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<table cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" border=\"0\" id=\"Table1\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"20\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/images\/spacer.gif\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\"><span class=\"welcome\">Health Issues<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"2\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/images\/spacer.gif\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\"><img decoding=\"async\" vspace=\"3\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/images\/bullet_footer.gif\" \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/healthissues\/newsID.1825\/healthissue_detail.asp\">The Drugs Do Work (from the Guardian)<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"2\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/images\/spacer.gif\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\"><img decoding=\"async\" vspace=\"3\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/images\/bullet_footer.gif\" \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.acsh.org\/healthissues\/newsID.1820\/healthissue_detail.asp\">Healthcare Reform That&#8217;s Hard to Swallow (from Los Angeles Times, Detroit News, and Twin Cities&#8217; 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