I Don’t Feel Bad For The Egyptians (Unless I Make A Special Effort To Understand Their POV)

Andrew Joyce tweets: “Why are people wishing Jews a happy Passover when the festival essentially glorifies the mass infanticide of one of their host populations? Passover is a celebration fit for psychopaths.”

Luke: “As opposed to celebrating the end of WWII where nobody got hurt.”

According to Wikipedia: “In this parashah, Pharaoh changes his mind and sends his army after the Jewish people, trapping them at the Sea of Reeds. God commands Moses to split the sea, allowing them to pass, then closes the sea back upon the Egyptian army. It also contains the miracles of manna and clean water.”

Exodus 13: 17 When Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them on the road through the Philistine country, though that was shorter. For God said, “If they face war, they might change their minds and return to Egypt.”

War is rarely the Jews first choice.

13:18: “The Children of Israel were armed when they went up from Egypt…”

So they weren’t pacifists. They didn’t just rely on God to take care of them.

* Ex. 14:5: “When the king of Egypt was told that the people had fled, Pharaoh and his officials changed their minds about them and said, “What have we done? We have let the Israelites go and have lost their services!””

This reminds me of when you have a girl you’re sick of but you don’t want another guy to have her.

Keeping people around as slaves does not serve you because the slaves hate you and will want revenge. Instead, you want to take the approach of Donnie Azoff in The Wolf of Wall Street:

Donnie Azoff: “Well, basically, you know, if the kid was retarded I would… I would, you know, drive it up to the country and just like, you know, open the door and let it… say “You’re free now!” You know? Like, “Run free!” You know?”

* Ex. 14:17: “I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they will go in after them. And I will gain glory through Pharaoh and all his army, through his chariots and his horsemen. 18 The Egyptians will know that I am the Lord when I gain glory through Pharaoh, his chariots and his horsemen.””

Some people complain when God lets the wicked prosper. Other people complain when God punishes the wicked. Which do you want? A politically correct Torah would say that God, instead of punishing Pharoah, took him to therapy. (Dennis Prager)

The God of the Jews is the God that the Egyptians worship today (whether they are Christian or Muslim). Nobody today worships the gods of the Pharoahs.

The Torah proclaims that the world is run by a moral order coming from God that ultimately triumphs over evil.

Ex. 14:23: “The Egyptians pursued them, and all Pharaoh’s horses and chariots and horsemen followed them into the sea. 24 During the last watch of the night the Lord looked down from the pillar of fire and cloud at the Egyptian army and threw it into confusion. 25 He jammed[b] the wheels of their chariots so that they had difficulty driving.”

Sounds like what happens whenever you invade a country you have no business being in, like the US invading Afghanistan in 2002 and Iraq in 2003.

Joe* emails:

I always wondered why Pharaoh did not just have Moses killed. Or Moses and Aaron both.

It would have quickly ended the political rebellion of the slaves because it would seem that Moses/Aaron were the only instruments of god’s will. For whatever reason, god chose not to appear to Pharaoh directly (he has done so to non-jewish luminaries – see Bilaam), but rather use a mortal.

Well, why not kill the mortal, and then, at the very least, it would take some time to groom a successor and buy Pharaoh some time. It is as if Pharaoh, who was a descendant of the earlier Pharaoh who liked the Jews, seemed inclined to countenance the Jewish god and his messengers.

One reasons might be the Arafat theory. Why kill Moses (why kill Arafat, until he died of AIDS), who had a predictable M.O. (see the king to make a demand, have the demand rejected, impose a plague, come see the king to reiterate the demand, pray for end to the plague in exchange for agreeing to the demand, then keep the Jews slaves anyway).

Another reason might be that it was part of gods taking away of free will, that Pharaoh had to act stupidly so as to allow for multiple plagues so that the story could be told.

Finally, the prophecy stated that the Jews would come out of Egypt with great wealth, and god chose moses to implement the prophecy and told him so, ergo a loss of moses would call into question the divine. So, Pharaoh had to be made to play along. Contrast (or compare) that with Purim – Haman did go after Mordecai, and it made the situation worse (he thought better) for him. But clearly, killing the mortal is the smart move (unless he happens to be the one who saved the king’s life).

This last point almost proves the divine from the story without the need for revelation or crossing the red sea, no mortal king would have suffered the BS from Moses without at least an attempt at killing Moses. The mafia “wacks” people over a missed drug shipment, and the head of the most powerful country (whose predecessor had all baby boys killed on a whim) in the world does nothing?

What is clear is that at some point, Pharaoh lost his patience, and after the plague of darkness, told Moses that if he came back again, he would be killed. All of a sudden, Moses got uppity and proclaimed that Moses would not be coming back, as if he took Pharaoh seriously. And god was offended too, as god immediately launched into the first born extermination. Read the text

Just wondering if there is a good explanation out there?

Unz.com has republished this essay from The Occidental Observer.

Comments:

* Pharaoh is a symbol of resistance to G_d. Jewish history has many stories about resistance and punishment. Tsars and others will be more modern pharaohs, as resistance needs an object to make the story continue.

* My old man used to tell me that if one or two people didn’t like you, maybe they had a problem. One the other hand, if everyone doesn’t like you, it’s probably not everyone that has the problem.

* Moses and the Israelites aren’t nice in the the story of Jericho told in Joshua 6:1-27, summarized at Wiki:

“Moses instructed them to seize the [promised] land by conquest, and placed them under the command of Joshua. Joshua sent spies to Jericho, the first city of Canaan to be taken, and discovered that the land was in fear of Israel and their God. The Israelites marched around the walls once every day for seven days with the priests and the Ark of the Covenant. On the seventh day they marched seven times around the walls, then the priests blew their ram’s horns, the Israelites raised a great shout, and the walls of the city fell. Following God’s law of herem the Israelites took no slaves or plunder but slaughtered every man, woman and child in Jericho.”

This is a difficult bedtime story to explain God’s law to children, and adults, especially Arabs. I had to look up herem:

Herem or cherem (Hebrew: חרם, ḥērem), as used in the Tanakh, means ‘devote’ or ‘destroy’. It is also referred to as the ban. The term has been explained in different ways by scholars. It has been defined as “a mode of secluding, and rendering harmless, anything imperilling the religious life of the nation,” or “the total destruction of the enemy and his goods at the conclusion of a campaign,” or “uncompromising consecration of property and dedication of the property to God without possibility of recall or redemption.

* Unlike many of you, I stand in awe of a people who are only capable of good; or at least whose occasional resort to unpleasant tactics is always forced upon them by their enemies; who can convince the masses that despite being the wealthiest and most privileged among us, they are forever our victims; whose critics are forever motivated by an eternal, unreasoning race-hatred, always and everywhere unrelated to anything these people might have done; and who can bring their host societies to the point of self-destruction without any complaints save those few whom the same societies happily marginalize on command.

Unlike many of you, I stand in awe of such a people. Among their many talents is an unerring intuition as to their host societies’ weaknesses, such as the altruism and sense of fair play which characterized the American population of earlier times. Among their talents is to gain such a stranglehold upon the production of ‘truth’ that they not only get others to do their bidding, they get them to do it with an unholy vengeance. I stand in awe of such a people. Well, awe is one word for it.

* I am surprised that Jews did care about Greek achievements and wanted to appropriate them or diminish them already in the mid-second century BC. After all for the next 2000 years until the 19 century emancipation of Jews in Europe, Jews did not participate in the cultural and scientific endeavors of the West that originated in Athens. They did not really produce any science including any mathematics, any art, or music or literature prior to 1800. So their objective was just to change the narrative to diminish the achievements of Greeks that they certainly must have recognized and probably were envious of them. Was the attempt to change the narrative and revise the history only for the internal consumption? A similar attempt was made by African American scholars in the 20 century which was directed only for consumption in Black community to lift their sense of self-worth and amplify their separateness from the world at large preventing further assimilation.

Watch live. Wikipedia: “The parashah tells of the Israelites’ affliction in Egypt, the hiding and rescuing of the infant Moses, Moses in Midian, the calling of Moses, circumcision on the way, meeting the elders, and Moses before Pharaoh.” My show with Rabbi Rabbs on this Torah portion from 2010.

Morality and abstract thought.

* Meir Kahane’s 1985 debate with Dennis Prager.

Alt Right Torah Show from a year ago:

The Alt Right has many definitions. One is that it is not the conservatism ruling in the Republican party which stands for, “Invade the world, invite the world.” Another explanation is that it is an entry vehicle for white nationalism which is inherently racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic.

Is racism, xenophobic and anti-Semitism ever rational? Ever self-interested? Or is it always crazy and destructive to the hater?

Dissident Right tweets: “Every time I read the Culture of Critique [By Kevin MacDonald], I can feel my heart hardening like Pharoah.”

* Exodus 1:7: “but the Israelites were exceedingly fruitful; they multiplied greatly, increased in numbers and became so numerous that the land was filled with them.”

So what percentage of the Egyptian population were the Israelites? This is important because we have no example from history of Jews comprising more than 5% of a nation and that country was not convulsed by anti-semitism.

Would the country of Israel be thrilled if non-Jews in their midst multiplied greatly? Of course not.

As the Torah lays it out, any other nation would have been racked by ethnic hostility in this situation. We don’t have examples in history where the ethnic balance in a nation changes dramatically and there’s not conflict and killing. If Exodus 1:7 was about Hutus and Tutsis or white and Mexicans or Poles and Germans or Malays and Chinese or Muslims and non-Muslims you would have the same sort of reaction. Viewed from this perspective, the Pharoah and the Egyptians had considerably less freedom of will than is generally supposed.

An Israeli who captured Adolf Eichman said the man did not hate Jews, he simply had a job to do. The Pharoah may not have hated Jews, he simply had a job to do for his people.

* After Egypt kicks out the Jews, did it decline in power and influence? Perhaps it missed its high IQ Jews? Before WWII, Germany was the most important cultural and academic influence on the world, after WWII, not so much. How many people can name a living German aside from Angela Merkel?

According to the History Channel: “For almost 30 centuries—from its unification around 3100 B.C. to its conquest by Alexander the Great in 332 B.C.—ancient Egypt was the preeminent civilization in the Mediterranean world.”

* Steve Sailer writes: “There is not really that much of a market for Jewish self-awareness. It’s not as if a novelist as talented as Roth is incapable of it, but there’s simply little demand these days for Roth to go very deep into these kind of patterns.”

* The Pharoah’s daughter saves Moses. Why? Because women rarely have national or racial loyalty above and beyond their feelings. She sees this baby and her heart goes out to it, even though it is a child of her country’s enemy (in the eyes of Pharoah). And she adopts him.

* Ex. 2:12. If Moses saw a Hebrew beating an Egyptian, would he also have intervened and beat the Hebrew?

What is Alt Right Torah?

* Alt Right Torah means treating non-Jews as if they were every bit as human as you, had the same hopes and dreams for their people, and extending to these goyim the same sympathy Jews want for themselves. It means putting yourself in their position. How would it have felt to be the Pharoah of the Exodus and Esav and Cain and Haman and Amalek and Balaam and to wrestle with the particular challenges of Jews. What about the desires of goyim for cohesion, unity, strength and the development of their people and how does that clash with Jewish interests?

* Alt Right Torah means never seeking anything for your group that you wouldn’t wish for other groups. When there are fundamental conflicts of interest, your enemy is your enemy, but not diabolical. There are no objectively good guys and bad guys in the universe. Without faith, life is a fight over scarce resources. With faith, life can be anything. You may not care about evolution, but evolution will remove those who don’t adapt.

* The purpose of the nation state is to develop a particular people.

* When you let women into policy, they invite snakes into your paradise and destroy civilization.

* Why did Cain kill Abel? Because Abel wanted to be sacrificed and brought it about.

* Why did Esav hate Jacob? Because Jacob hated Esav after cheating him out of his birthright.

* Why did the Pharoah want to enslave the Israelites? Because he didn’t want Egypt to become multicultural.

* Why did Amalek hate Israel? Because it had fundamental conflicts of interest with Israel.

* Why did Haman want to kill the Jews? Because he thought the Jews would kill him and his people if they could.

* The Spanish Inquisition was a reaction to Jews ostensibly converting to Christianity but remaining Jewish in their secret identity and practices.

* Every horrible thing you ascribe to your enemies’ motivation is likely a projection of your own thinking.

* What was the Golden Age? When Muslims took over the Iberian Peninsula from the Christians with perhaps a little help from the Jews to make things super multi culti. Would Jews regard it as a Golden Age if Muslims took over the Jewish state of Israel with help from the Druze or Christians?

In the Book of Exodus, we have a Pharoah who wants to make Egypt great again but putting Egypt first, not Israel first. This rise in Egyptian nationalism is dangerous to residents of Egypt who don’t identify as Egyptian, such as the descendants of Jacob. The Torah uses the word “Am” to mean “blood nation” when quoting the new Pharoah about the threat of the Jews. It is one blood nation threatened by another blood nation.

The other Hebrew word for nation is “goy” which does not have the same connotation of blood ties.

The Jews apparently moved throughout Egypt, and didn’t just stick to Goshen. It could have been Hitler speaking in Ex. 1:9. From a racial perspective, a Jew can’t stop being a Jew, while from a religious perspective, Jews can convert to your religion. You could not convert to being an Egyptian or Greek (though you could become a Roman) perhaps today to being French or German.

Exodus 1:8: “A new king arose on Egypt who did not know Joseph.”

The Bible doesn’t say a new king arose in Egypt, but on Egypt, signifying he is a tyrant.

Dennis Prager: “Joseph had saved Egypt… I owe nothing to this group that saved Egypt.”

“To use a Jewish parallel in the contemporary era, when I hear black anti-semitism, I think of this verse. Jews played a phenomenally disproportionate role in the civil rights movement… It was Jewish lawyers who argued civil rights legislation in the 1950s before the Supreme Court. This has come to haunt the Jews. There’s resentment from black nationalists.”

Kevin MacDonald writes:

Jewish activism was a critical
force in leading, organizing, and funding the revolution in ethnic relations that has occurred in the U.S. since WWII. Even Harold Cruse, a trenchant black critic of the black-Jewish alliance,
noted that “The truth was (and is) that the American Jewish Committee and its intellectual adherents pioneered in ways never equaled by their white Protestant allies.”

(A similar statement could be made regarding Jewish involvement in opening up U.S. immigration to all the peoples of the world.)

This is not to say that blacks would not have eventually attempted to alter their situation in the absence of an alliance with Jews. However, it is difficult to believe that these efforts would have been so effective and so quickly successful in the absence of Jewish involvement. After all, at least until the 1960s blacks had not shown themselves to be able to develop effective organizations without Jewish input. Blacks, as a low-achieving group, continue
to have relatively little power and influence in ethnic relations in the United States and remain underrepresented in all the elite institutions of society. Because of their high intelligence, their
high level of mobilization, and their overrepresentation in elite institutions of the government, the media, business, and the academic world, Jewish influence is far out of proportion to their
numbers.

White non-Jews have relatively little influence compared to Jews because of their lack of mobilization to achieve their ethnic interests. Moreover, continuing Jewish involvement in the media and in funding black organizations remains an important ingredient in black success long after the leadership of these organizations passed to blacks. For example, Murray Friedman notes that after 1955 blacks assumed the leadership of the movement: “No longer would Jewish leaders and other outsiders call the shots. They would work behind the scenes, providing money and advice to [Martin
Luther] King and his lieutenants, who would head the movement, win the headlines, and endure the jail sentences.”

…Harold Cruse, a black intellectual, presents a particularly trenchant analysis of the role of Jewish self-interest in their role in Jewish-black coalition: “Jews know exactly what they want in America.” Jews want cultural pluralism because of their long-term policy of nonassmilation and group solidarity. Cruse notes, however, that the Jewish experience in Europe has shown them
that “two can play this game” (i.e., develop highly nationalistic ethnocentric groups), and “when that happens, woe be to the side that is short on numbers.”

…Cruse observes that Jewish organizations view white nationalism as their greatest potential threat and they have tended to support pro-black integration (i.e., assimilationist, individualist) policies for blacks in America, presumably because such policies dilute white power and lessen the possibility of a cohesive, nationalist anti-Jewish white majority. At the same time, Jewish organizations have opposed a black nationalist position while pursuing an anti-assimilationist, nationalist group strategy for
their own group.

Dennis Prager: “The Jewish dream is that the world not be based on blood ties. It is the only dream ultimately that will save humanity given the horrors of blood historically. Blood beliefs are the greatest source of cruelty in history because if you are not my blood, you are not valuable. That’s how people have lived.”

“The reason that Hitler so hated the Jews was a belief in blood. The Jews are the world’s polluters of blood purity. If you are into the purity of blood, the Jews are your quintessential enemy because wherever the Jews are, they assimilate in part and stay Jewish in part. They are part of you but not fully part of you because of their blood. If they fully assimilate, they are still dangerous… The assimilated Jew was the ultimate polluter of German purity. If you believe in the purity of the nation, the Jews are the quintessence of the opposition to you because Jews are all over the place. Historically, the only nation to keep its identity and still be all over was the Jews. Jews stayed a nation and still became a part of other nations.”

“It could have been Hitler speaking in verse nine. He [Pharoah] doesn’t like that the Jews are all over Egypt, maintaining their identity but also a part of Egyptian life. He was interested in blood purity.

“Christian anti-semitism was not racist, it was theological. If you become Christian, you are fine with us, but you can never give up being Jewish to a racist because you can’t change your blood. That is why Christianity could never have produced the Holocaust.” (Dennis’s lecture on Exodus 1, as part of his Torah verse by verse project.)

Exodus 1:9-10: ““Look,” he said to his people, “the Israelites have become far too numerous for us. 10 Come, we must deal shrewdly with them or they will become even more numerous and, if war breaks out, will join our enemies, fight against us and leave the country.”

Dennis: “The Jewish nation was unique in that it took converts. You couldn’t convert to being Greek or Egyptian [but you could become a Roman]. Can you imagine a black showing up in Alexandria and saying I’d like to become an Egyptian? That’s ludicrous. It’s like a man showing up and saying I’d like to be a woman.”

“Jewish assimilation is a problem for host peoples. It is the old issues of dual loyalties — are you an American or are you a Jew? Jews are both. There’s no problem with that. Why would they conflict? Are you first a Christian and then an American?”

“For all of us, our religious values should come before our blood-based values.”

“Jewish assimilation is a problem. The Jews would be plentiful, do well, and yet retain their distinct identity, which if they wanted to give up, they couldn’t because the Egyptians wouldn’t let them. When Jews assimilate, they are called a Fifth Column. When they don’t assimilate, they’re called insular and tribal and parochial and provincial. That’s why Zionism was founded — let the Jews normalize and live in their own country like every other nation. The world is not ready, said Theodore Herzl, for having an Other in its midst. Egypt was not ready to have an Other in its midst. We have no inkling that the Jews were disloyal or bothering them in any way.”

Converts have accounted for only a miniscule number of Jews (Jewish DNA is distinctive, it would not be with a large number of converts). Fewer than 100 people convert to Orthodox Judaism each year.

Another way of understanding “blood purity” is that you know who your parents are. Ninety eight percent of whites in America have no black DNA. That’s a result of “blood purity” in North America as opposed to the assimilation of Latin America.

Being against “blood ties” is being against the importance of family and relations. Family means blood ties. Families not connected by blood ties are not as close. Parents do not provide the same support for children who are not theirs biologically. Genetic similarity fuels bonds, self-sacrifice, and nationalism. The closer the genetic tie, the more likely people will get along.

I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism in Egypt because at this point in time Egypt and its new Pharoah had not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think Jews were going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which had to take place. Egypt was not going to be the monolithic society they once were in the last century. Jews were going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Egypt to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Egypt will not survive.

* In Exodus 1:10, the Pharoah says let’s out-smart the Hebrews. Because this strategy has rarely worked, we get more brutal strategies such as Hitler’s genocide.

Lawrence Murray writes:

The plague of frogs has certainly made the land of the United States less hospitable to its parasites. “America First” is antithetical to the Hebrews, while President Trump’s calls to expel illegal settlers and seal off the border also render the country hostile to further exploitation at their hands.

The Jewish press makes no attempt to hide their hatred for President Trump; truly then he is a “plague” upon their house. If America is such a horrible racist and anti-semitic country, perhaps it is time for an exodus? Surely you’ve been through worse—you never hesitate to remind us—but why take chances? The promised land calls the children of Israel home. Are you really going to “fight” Trump by doing everything populists accuse (((the elite))) of doing in the first place? Not a good plan. Chaos tends to win, and the chaos candidate has won. The god of primordial darkness has sent his sign.

At the same time, Time magazine calls President Trump the leader of the “Divided States of America.” Hysteria engulfs the country as leftists and people of color demonstrate against the idea of having a national populist for president, making the case for partition. Nationalism for some and diversity for others would mean disorder it is true; but would be an act of creation as much as an act of destruction. That the American Empire may become a thing of the history books is perhaps the most chaotic writing on the wall of all. And it might have been set in motion by a plague of frogs, brought forth by the chaos god himself.

Anyone who has benefited from the expertise and hard work of Chinese and Jews will find this essay one-sided and overly polemical, but as for the fundamental fact of life that different groups have different interests, that perspective is valuable. The interests of Jews are often different from those of Chinese and of goyim.

Reading this harsh assessment of Jews and Chinese feels like being attacked by an axe murderer. It’s just blow after blow and seems horribly unfair.

As a Jew, I think of how Jews have saved gentile countries such as Joseph saving Egypt from famine. But I understand how non-Jews can read the same texts and study the same history and come to different conclusions.

From the Torah perspective, in the first chapter of Exodus, a Pharoah arises who feels no gratitude to the group that saved his country.

Jews feel the same lack of gratitude from blacks. Jews funded and led black civil rights but the more educated the black, the more likely they are today to be anti-Semitic.

More than two years ago, I wrote:

Was It Rational For Egypt To Enslave The Israelites?

From this week’s Torah portion:

8 Then a new king, to whom Joseph meant nothing, came to power in Egypt. 9 “Look,” he said to his people, “the Israelites have become far too numerous for us. 10 Come, we must deal shrewdly with them or they will become even more numerous and, if war breaks out, will join our enemies, fight against us and leave the country.”

11 So they put slave masters over them to oppress them with forced labor, and they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh. 12 But the more they were oppressed, the more they multiplied and spread; so the Egyptians came to dread the Israelites 13 and worked them ruthlessly. 14 They made their lives bitter with harsh labor in brick and mortar and with all kinds of work in the fields; in all their harsh labor the Egyptians worked them ruthlessly.

I suspect the Israelites did not identify as Egyptians. I doubt they had Egypt’s best interests at heart as much as they had their own interests at heart. I suspect they viewed the goyim as Torah Jews tend to do. So why wouldn’t Egypt want to deal harshly with them?

This problem has come up again and again in Jewish history. Host nations (aside from English-speaking ones and a few others) have consistently doubted the patriotism of their Jews. Professor Lindemann writes in his book Esau’s Tears: Modern Anti-Semitism and the Rise of the Jews: “For many Russians [at the turn of the 20th Century], their country’s Jewish population appeared as a rapidly growing and increasingly hostile body, actively if secretly collaborating with those enemies.” (Pg. 280)

I always ask, what if goyim acted as Jews would act in a given situation? I don’t think a Jewish state would have much patience with a fifth column in their midst. I don’t think Jews think much about what would happen if others acted as Jews act, or how Jews would act if they had control of a Jewish state.

Israel abstains today from expelling the fifth column in its midst for pragmatic reasons, for fear of offending western democracies, not because Torah and the Jewish tradition have any problem with expelling the fifth column.

The Jewish commentaries I consulted argued about whether the Egyptians were sinning primarily against God or against their fellow human beings when they enslaved the Israelites. I don’t see any sin here by the Pharoah. It sounds to me like the new Pharoah rationally saw the Israelites as a rising fifth column in his midst and so he took action to deal with the problem.

The modern state of Israel has a similar problem with its Arabs and I am sure most Jewish Israelis would love for the Arabs to leave Israel. Under Torah law, the Jewish state would expel non-Jews who were problems. Every strong nation will expel or enslave a rising fifth column in their midst.

France has this problem with its Muslims. Europe has this problem with its Muslims. Perhaps the best solution for Europe would be to expel their Muslims, just as the Egyptians eventually expelled the Israelites?

The Pharoah feared that the Israelites would “join our enemies, fight against us.” Let’s look at the immigration policy of Agudas Israel, the Orthodox lobby group: “Finally, in the area of immigration, Agudath Israel urges that American borders continue to be open to Jewish and other refugees who seek to come to the United States after escaping from oppressive political environments. The United States is a nation of immigrants and has long been distinguished by its generosity toward refugees from all across the globe. It is essential that such generosity continue to be maintained in today’s era of international volatil ity. Agudath Israel accordingly opposes any efforts to impose caps or quotas on refugees seeking safe haven in the United States. Agudath Israel further supports the provision of welfare benefits to needy non-citizen immigrants.”

This policy effectively calls for the end of the historic American white nation by replacing it by hostile refugees. Do you think Mexicans, Guatemalans, black Africans and Muslims really care for the historic white American Christian nation? Do you think they venerate George Washington and Thomas Jefferson? I don’t. For their own understandable reasons, these groups are hostile to the historic American nation. All closely identifying in-groups, such as Muslims, tend to be have suspicion of, if not outright hostility towards, out-groups. Why would any rational nation want to import this diversity, conflict and hostility? And yet every major Jewish organization wants amnesty for the approximately 20 million illegals living in the United States, thus inviting countless more millions to come in. This is effectively a call for the overthrow of America and its replacement by hostile groups. This is effectively a call for treason.

Sure, if this immigration amnesty goes through, there will be still be a land mass called the United States of America, but the historic white people who created it will be overwhelmed by hostile outsiders and America as we have known this nation will be finished. Already, without immigration amnesty, whites are set to become a minority in America by 2042 and latinos are set to become a majority by 2060.

An Orthodox rabbi says: “Was Haman acting in self interest or Hitler? Pharoah didn’t expel them, he enslaved them. If he expelled them, it would [have] be[en] a different situation.”

To expel would have meant in Pharoah’s eyes to kill them all because they could not be expected to survive in the desert.

Another Orthodox rabbi tells me: “I think the Torah is telling us with ‘who did not know Joseph’, that had he understood the Jews and their role in Egypt he would have grasped the benefit.”

A Jewish friend says:

Pharaoh was concerned that the Jews would join ‘enemies,’ which could be many things. In addition to an invasion, it could be an underclass, slaves, minorities; any sort of outsiders. Why join ‘unto’ our enemies? Because the Jew will hide his hatred behind the stated motive of the enemy he is abetting.

While Jews only recognize an irrational hatred of Jews, the Torah is clear that Pharaoh believes he has reason to fear Hebrew talents and hostility.

An Orthodox friend says:

I disagree. The Jews weren’t a “captured” nation or a subservient nation. They lived there as equals for many years, assisting in building the economy and creating immense success for the Egyptians. Enslavement came via manipulation of their hard work and nationalistic attitude toward Egypt.

The Jews enslaved the Canaanites via capture, however, they gave them opportunity to a) leave, b) have a peace treaty, c) fight.

Another friend says:

Some commentators say that only a fifth of the Jewish population was freed from Egypt that is because 80 percent of the Jews assimilated into the Egyptian culture.

And unless your are a neo-nazi, I don’t see any reason in the world to expel Jews from your country. Jews are instructed to respect the laws of the land (a clear Halacha) and abide by it.

I think Jews contribute more to the society when they identify as Jews first and nationality second.

One rabbi opines:

Genesis 47:20-27 indicates the viceroy Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for Pharoah, excluding only two groups: the pagan priestly class and the Israelites. “I have bought you today and your land… Only the land of the priests alone was not Pharoah’s… And Israel dwelt in the land of Egypt, in the land of Goshen, and they held onto it.” The general population was then to be an ownerless lower class with a fifth of their harvest going to the kingdom’s storehouses.

Perhaps Joseph, knowing of the prophecy made to Abraham that his descendants would dwell in a strange land, wanted to insure that the Egyptian masses would not be able to oppress them and may even need them because of their economic power. During the years of famine with this arrangement sustaining the Egyptians, the nation was grateful being enslaved. “You have saved our lives… We will be Pharaoh’s bondmen,” they declared.

However, this preferential treatment in property rights backfired as Exodus 1:9 has the new Pharoah tell his nation, “the people of the children of Israel are too many and too mighty for us.” In fact, Exodus 1:11 has the new slaves building “store-cities, Pithom and Raamses.” 2 Chronicles 32:28 uses the same Hebrew word to describe building of “treasuries for the harvest of corn and wine and oil, and stables for all types of beasts, and folds for sheep.” Now the tables have turned. They who were one of only two owners in Egypt while the rest of the Egyptians were stripped of their property and working in part for the storehouses, have the Jews made slaves to fill the new generation’s storehouses.

Efrem writes:

I think if you learn nothing else about the story of Exodus, except Pharoah seeing the “fifth column”, and enslaving them, you may, in a great effort of giving him benefit of the doubt, allow a thought of him “simply acting” in Egypt’s best interest. Once you learn about him ordering baby boys thrown into the river, you may start suspecting that there may be something else going on in his mind, besides “Egypt’s Best Interests”. When he subjects his entire nation to 10 plagues, just to stop the “fifth column” from leaving the country, you have to be a Pharoah himself, or one of his very loyal friends, to continue to maintain that he was “simply …..”. Finally after Pharoah drowns his entire elite force, trying to chase the “fifth column”, and himself realizes that he was wrong, you will have to be a blogger who is trying to promote some kind of agenda 3000+ yrs later, to suggest that Paroh was asking in Egypt’s best interest.
Not sure why you are bringing up Jewish state here, as I don’t recall anything similar happening there. (maybe there was a plague that I have missed, you tell me)
“Expel the fifth column” doesn’t seem to fit either, as this was exactly what Pharoah refused to do. I mean, you would think, that if he genuinely thought that he had a fifth column, why didn’t he make it easier for everyone, and did exactly that: expel them? Maybe, and I’m just speculating here, he didn’t think that there was a fifth column.
You could also say that it’s relevant to Europe’s situation, if you are going to suggest, that some of the children of Israel were murdering ancient Egyptians for daring to offend the Patriarchs, or that modern day Europe is trying to enslave an entire nation in its borders, but that’s the kind of thing, for which people use terms like “alternate reality” and “parallel universe”.

After the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, Winston Churchill said: “When we think of the insane ambition and insatiable appetite which have caused this vast and melancholy extension of the war, we can only feel that Hitler’s madness has infected the Japanese mind, and that the root of the evil and its branch must be extirpated together.”

Or we could look at Japan and Germany as acting in their national self-interest just like other nations do.

What is the significance of the mesorah’s lack of interest in what motivates hatred of Jews?

A rabbi tells me: “They take it as an existential reality. Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai called it a halacha – a spiritual law that Esav hates Yakov.”

* What is the state of the Alt Right today? The year 2017 began with giddy optimism that the Alt Right would influence the Trump administration. There’s not much reason to believe that today.

In this recent interview, Jared Taylor says: “We are growing in numbers and influence because the arguments we make are correct.”

“I am more optimistic than I have been at any time since I started white advocacy 25 years ago.”

Millenial Woes: “When I started my channel in January of 2014, there was despair. Now it feels like we are making progress.”

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