Andrew Joyce & Parasha Devarim (Deuteronomy 1:1–3:22)

This week’s Torah portion consists of the first three chapters of Deuteronomy (Devarim). Andrew Joyce joins the show here and stays for almost two hours.

* Why do people study the Bible today? Is that a con run on them by elite Jews or is there wisdom and beauty in these texts?

* Deuteronomy has a completely different literary style than the previous four books. Even traditional commentators will say these are Moshe’s words not God’s (though they will say they are Moshe’s words inspired by God, but not dictated by God as is the case with the previous four books). The narrative ends with Numbers.

* The Book of Deuteronomy is Moshe’s farewell address to the Jews. He’s not happy with them. He’s not able to bear up under their quarrels. Jews are a difficult people. This picture of Jews constantly complaining rings true today. Jews, like other Middle Eastern people, are much more emotional than northern Europeans. Jews tend to see Protestants as fake nice while Protestants who meet Jews often feel scorched by their intense emotional expression. There is a dramatic difference in intensity between Jews and northern Europeans. In their open emotions, Jews are often more like Iranians, Egyptians, and other Arabs than they are like northern Europeans.

* I can’t think of any other religious text that is as self-critical as Torah. The Jews don’t look good in Torah and the gentiles frequently appear heroic.

* At the end of Numbers, Moshe commands the Jews to drive out the original inhabitants of the land under the theory that allowing a few of them to live in your midst could be corrupting. Any ethno-nationalist can understand this POV. In this week’s parasha, we learn about how to treat the resident alien — so Torah allows for non-Jewish residents of the Jewish state, but it does not allow for non-Jewish citizens of the Jewish state. That might be a good paradigm for gentile ethno-nationalists. Sure, you might allow some strangers in your midst, but you won’t let them vote.

* When I read these texts as a Christian youth, they were religious works. When I read them as an adult Jew, I felt like I was learning about my ancestors. Studying the texts became more visceral. I could identify with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moshe. They seemed more real. Christians study these texts for the stories, Jews for the laws.

* Texts are mediated by their readers, who have a particular genetic code, a culture and an environment. If you want to understand Jews, understanding Torah is important, but it is not the only factor, just like if you want to understand Muslims, the Koran is important but it doesn’t work in a vacuum.

* What is the gentile equivalent of daf yomi? Tens of thousands of Jews get up early every morning and study the same page of Talmud together all over the world. I can’t see goyim doing this.

* When you study Torah, with all of its laws, you can see why so many Jews go into the legal profession.

* Det. 2:24. God tells the Jews to provoke war with Sihon king of Heshbon. It seems like every country that has ever gone to war has developed the rationale that they were provoked.

* Det. 2: 25: God says to Moshe: “This day I shall begin to place dread and fear of you on the peoples under the entire heaven, when they hear of your reputation, and they will tremble and be anxious before you.” With such a prediction, it is strange that certain countries did not want to let the Jews pass through. Sihon king of Heshbon was not willing to become multicultural (Det. 2:26-34) but if Heshbo did not become multicultural, it would not survive. Jews were going to play a leading role in making Heshbon multicultural and they were going to be resented for it. So the Jews slaughtered everybody in Heshbon, even the women and the children. Is there a moral difference between this genocide and what the Nazis did to the Jews?

* Det. 3:3: “Hashem, our God, gave into our hand also Og king of the Bashan and his entire people, and we smote him until no survivor was left of him.”

* Det. 3:6: “We destroyed them…the women and small children.”

So why would the Israelites slaughter the small children? Because small children grow into big adults and look for revenge.

I am sure these goyim got slaughtered for their own faults. They provoked the Jews and got what was coming to them. The Torah does not seem concerned that not all members of the slaughtered groups were bad people. They just got wiped out perhaps for the sins of a few.

* Do we need museums commemorating the victims of these Jewish crusades? Do we need genocide education about the slaughter of Bashan and Heshbon? What about museums for the victims of communism?

* Bible believers are supposed to derive lessons from these texts. So what are the lessons from these genocidal texts?

* As a goy, how does it feel reading these genocidal texts? Do you think these texts are saying it is ok to slaughter your enemies or it is only ok for Jews to slaughter their enemies? Or are these texts simply reflecting the reality of war in ancient times?

* The thought of an angry God disturbs Christians much more than it does Jews. Deuteronomy refers to God’s anger 26 times. It seems like just as Jews are more emotional than northern Europeans, the Jewish God is similarly more emotional than the Christian God. IN the Flood, God wipes out the entire world.

* Does the Torah represent a moral advance? Does humanity morally advance?

* When the Torah refers to God as the “God of hosts” that means the God of armies. Pacifism is rare among Jews when facing genocidal threats.

* John Updike wrote in his novel SEEK MY FACE: “Or perhaps, if she is Jewish, she is unable to put the question of God quite the way a Christian would put it, in urgent terms of either/or. For the chosen people, the relation has evolved beyond the possibility of dropped acquaintance into that of a familiarity that breeds contempt…”

* Questions for Andrew Joyce:

* Review: How the Jews Defeated Hitler: Exploding the Myth of Passivity in the Face of Nazism

I assume that if you had been alive in England in WWII, you would have wanted your country to win the war, and so you would have been grateful for Jewish assistance towards that end. All those on the Allied side in WWII would have reason to be grateful for Jewish assistance.

When your group’s interests align with Jewish interests, then you have rational reasons to be pro-Jewish, while if your group’s interests clash with Jewish interests, then you have rational reasons to be anti-Jewish.

* “The Jews of the Middle Ages engaged in no productive labor, almost all of them living parasitically from moneylending.” Weren’t some of these Jews peddlers and engaged in other forms of commerce? How is peddling not productive? Does productivity only come from working the land?
Would you say that Jews today in the West engage in no productive labor and only exploitation? If not, what has changed?

* Andrew on a podcast: When money enters into Jewish hands, it stays there. It doesn’t circulate back out to the goyim.

* “The reality of the tradition of Jewish power and economic exploitation.” Isn’t “exploitation” the pejorative term we give to commerce when a smarter party out-maneuvers a less intelligent party? Is there a great deal of subjectivity to “exploitation.” If a group simply “exploits”, why would it be kept around?

* Andrew, when I read your work, I find facts, facts, more facts, logic, logic, citations galore, and then sweeping statements that don’t hold up such as:

* “The Jews of the Middle Ages engaged in no productive labor.” Really? In every country? For every century? They were able to completely fool their hosts. Why isn’t money lending productive?

* If we speak of “Jewish control of the media,” what do we mean? Are goyim unable to enter these fields, own the means of production of mass media? Or do Jews routinely out-compete goyim by providing better product at better prices? If Jews succeed so hugely in the free market, what does that indicate?

* You write about “the narrative of Jewish victimhood.” If a people have a high verbal IQ and lots of access to the media and particular skill at crafting stories, this is to be expected. Aren’t all peoples victims at times, and victimizers at other times? Circumstance determines who will play which part. I could craft a story about anybody and any people and with fidelity to the facts, break your heart with a victimhood narrative. The universe doesn’t care. The victimhood narrative is just a tool. It works more effectively on some people than others, just as presumably biological weapons will kill some races and not others.

* Andrew Joyce: “Ultimately, the key to bringing down the phenomenon of the Jewish hoax will not lie in the exposure of single incidents or historical events, but in the conclusive elimination of the narrative of Jewish victimhood. Jews are a powerful, protected, and very privileged elite — and they always have been. Their appeal to victimhood status would be laughable but for the fact it is one of the key strategies behind our decline.”

Are there not times when Jews have been victims? Such as Auschwitz? How could people who care about truth eliminate any victimhood narrative that is based on facts? Have Jews really always been powerful, protected and privileged? When they were slaughtered and enslaved by Rome were they privileged? To the extent that Jews have been privileged, is that not a simple extension of their powers, just as lions and tigers in many contexts are privileged and powerful.

* Andrew Joyce: “Following the notorious Sergeant’s Affair, in which Jewish terrorists murdered British soldiers in barbaric fashion…” Did the British and Arabs behave with similar barbarity in Palestine or was the barbarity unique to the Jews? When there are intense conflicts of interest such as during this time and at this place, how could there not be savagery? It would be suicidal to not act cruelly when so much is on the line. Jews, like any people, want to live and they want to have their own homeland, and the savagery they employ to meet these ends is not unusual. It would be weird if they were less brutal. If someone threatened my survival, I’d be savage.

* “Shomrim, a Jewish ‘defense’ group that possessed all the trappings of an illegal religious police force.” Why shouldn’t groups such as Jews defend themselves? What’s wrong with the shomrim? Are they going out and murdering people? Raping? Torturing? Knifing? Jewish rates of criminal violence are low.

* At what point should Jews make it their missions to spread the Seven Laws of the Sons of Noah and teach the world universal God-based ethics? How can anyone be opposed to becoming more ethical?

From the youtube hangout chat room:

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​greetings, Judeans and non

4trahasis​Shalom and Shadilay

Luke Ford​hi

4trahasis​The spies hesitated

4trahasis​And the Abraham narrative, it says he got up early in the morning to leave for the mount to sacrifice Isaac. I have heard Rabbis say that this denotes rapidity, zrizut.

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​CNN is an omniscient narrator

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​GoT is so popular because it has what the modern world lacks, authenticity

4trahasis​honorable, ethical, and pragmatic

Maloon​the great popularity of game of thrones is refreshing to a simple goy like myself – i see it as an expression of indo-european mythology and culture

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​@Maloon funny thing is that the two producers are Jews

Maloon​yeah, it’s really quite queer

Maloon​granted the source material is from G RR who is NW European

Maloon​and part italian

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​sure

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​that’s such a cop-out by leftists

Maloon​because they’re human like the rest of us

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​Luke, I think it’s too graphic, though. They don’t have to show all that shit.

4trahasis​Luke, I remember years ago you saying something about looking into the eyes of one in a scene, and seeing her soul die

4trahasis​not just to see degradation, but also to be reviled by it.

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​Luke is right, look at how Khaleesi ended up loving Drogo

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​some black actor was complaining that it’s not diverse enough. gimme a break

Maloon​the setting is so implicitly white

Maloon​what a joke

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​Luke, but Confederacy is going to be used to beat white people down, bet on it

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​when is Joyce coming on??

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​this is why ME people don’t belong in our countries

Luke Ford​AJ wil let me know

Maloon​is Luke implying he wants to deceive himself just to feel good?

4trahasis​I don’t want to think of people as an other group, but neither do I wish to deny that many others think of me as an other, and will treat me accordingly

Luke Ford​I’m waiting for AJ to give me word he’s coming

Luke Ford​he has stuff interrupting him

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​@4 you need to get over it and view them as the other. This is crucial

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​Casey, you need to embrace your instincts. This is what is killing us, literally.

Maloon​I definitely understand where Casey is coming from, though. I get the same feeling periodically. It’s good to question yourself, but not with the motive of wanting to make yourself comfortable.

Maloon​Look for the truth.

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​this is a good point, many whites are still insulated enough that they can disengage from the big picture. Gotta take the long view…

Maloon​we do have a precedent for multi-ethnic/racial nations, though

Chris​What do you think of the wall?

Luke Ford​BTW

Luke Ford​Build The Wall!

Maloon​i like the wall as a symbol

Chris​Who have you voted for?

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​Luke, maybe at the end of the chat you can give your opinion on Miko Peled

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​you guys should have heard Alan Dershowitz the other day on CNN going up against a black woman, my jaw dropped

Maloon​i’m not sure if it’s rare so much as supressed

Maloon​link, pepe?

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​saw it live while randomly flipping channels, sorry I don’t have one

Maloon​no worries, i’ll look for it later

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​was related to OJ

Maloon​ah okay

Maloon​the iron church.

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​muh Constitution

Maloon​muh equality

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​muh Victorian England (but I agree)

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​I hate how people dress for Mass like they’re going to a baseball game. so disrespectful

4trahasis​up to 20 years of prison to propose boycotting or cutting back on funding Israel

Maloon​oy vey

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​unbelievable

Casey R. Pratt​Thanks 4trahasis

gjjd​even if 95% of Southerners did not have slaves, the effect of whites on blacks in the South was to hold them in slavery

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​in this vein you can say that the Jews provoked Germany and got what was coming to them

gjjd​blacks care most about the effect of whites on them, not the moral standing of all whites

Maloon​the lesson here is that if you’re going to commit genocide don’t get soft and finish the job – otherwise you’ll pay the price for the next hundred years

4trahasis​indeed. we don’t believe all whites had slaves, but there is white privilege based and hatred of whites based entirely upon that minority.

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​good point

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​I think part of God’s Law is that the children will pay for the sins of the father, in other words, the people will be judged by their leaders

gjjd​Liberal ecologists claim that human groups are to be treated as organisms in an ecosystem (tbc)

gjjd​they say that it should then be possible for mutually beneficial relations between groups

Casey R. Pratt​Is monotheism more moral than polytheism? — seems like a polytheism can coexist with oth polytheists. But to say “there’s only one true God” is pretty aggressive. Will create confluence. On purpose?

Casey R. Pratt​Will create conflict I mean.

Maloon​Perhaps then the northern europeans were more susceptible to religious subversion.

Casey R. Pratt​Dogs and humans have mutually beneficial relations.

Maloon​being polytheists


Casey R. Pratt​To pronounce monotheism your view of the world is basically to declare war on the whole world.

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​@Casey This

gjjd​Dogs actually have a mutation that makes them love everyone

gjjd​Should we do this to humans?

Casey R. Pratt​Would it be bad to be a dog? Humiliating, kinda.

gjjd​Dogs are sychophants

Casey R. Pratt​Vivian was up late breastfeeding I think.

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​@gjjd we’re already doing this to white people, who are trying to love everyone LOL

Maloon​so are the muslims right when they call christians dogs 🤔

Luke Ford​AJ!

4trahasis​Welcome Andrew

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​typical goy, starts apologizing right away LOL jk

Casey R. Pratt​Hi AJ sorry I missed you this week

Casey R. Pratt​(((A different morality)))

Maloon​i don’t see the alt-right in general as completely non-moral

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​lol

Maloon​well a lot of elements of the alt-right did coalesce around Donald Trump in during the election

gjjd​This is imo the best alt-right podcast. If you keep doing this, it will certainly become very popular

Luke Ford​thank you

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​👍

gjjd​How overblown were the pogroms?

gjjd​if you are a minority, you are a “parasite.” If you are a majority, you are a “predator.”

gjjd​Just the way group dynamics work, no hard feelings

gjjd​parasitism vs. commensalism vs. amensalism vs. mutualism

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​I think it’s a morality issue. Simply put, Jews aren’t held to the morals of Christians. So Christians need to be wiser.

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​from a Christian perspective, it’s parasitic no matter who does it

gjjd​I think that the insularity of Jewish communities should be the difference maker in parasitism

gjjd​Goys nowadays can work for banks, for example

Western Man​Money lending should be strictly tied down to a fee system. Any usury is dangerous and can escalate

gjjd​We have massive regulations on money-lending now, which is a good thing

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​@Western This. fees, not compound interest

Western Man​Catholic Church is correct on usury. Ban it outright, use fees instead

gjjd​We do now have regulations on who can get loans though, right?

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​@Western you gotta read Michael Hoffman: Usury, the Sin that was and now is not

Casey R. Pratt​Like read about “Just Price Theory.”

Western Man​I will at some point. E Michael Jones articulates the usury question quite well

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​I’m reading barren metal now…

gjjd​Luke is right, though. Loaning at interest is super-important, and many people were against it in the past

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​the point is that only God can create time, therefore, charging people for time is a mortal sin because you are playing God

Western Man​It comes down to how you philosophise and conceptualise money. Either you conceive of it as a representation of the value of objects and services and is thusly tied to the trade of these

Western Man​Or you think money is its own thing. And you can make money out of money and out of nothing. Ie usury

Casey R. Pratt​Just Price theory of Aquinas also.

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​btw Jews used to be called Luftmenschen or “Airmen” because they’d make money out of thin air. kinda funny, actually

gjjd​Having disloyal Jews is nothing more than risk: sometimes you benefit, sometimes you get screwed

gjjd​”We are well beyond the idea of a master race.” That is a good quote to keep

gjjd​If anything, Asians are the master race

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​this is a great point

Western Man​Coming into the alt right had actually made me much more aware of the weaknesses of my own people, the Irish. I can vouch for this zeitgeist in the movement

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​@Western every white person should read the book Extreme Ownership

Western Man​Asians are not the master race. Their IQ is higher on average but whites have a platykurtic IQ distribution which means we will have more geniuses

Western Man​Whites have an innate creativity that is sorely lacking in the Asian mind

gjjd​+Western Man the most important quality of Asians is that they have a phlegmatic disposition which allows them to learn much faster than whites and be much more productive

gjjd​whites have too many psychological problems due to our irritability

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​Europeans have replaced God with science and lost their purpose

gjjd​the idea that Asians are not creative is a totally untestable myth

gjjd​it should never be said publically


Western Man​They are more efficient I will grant them that. But they will never ride the edge of the wave of humanity’s advancement. They will only improve upon what whites will create

gjjd​+Western Man just go to any science department at any university. Look at pictures of skylines of Asian cities

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​@gjjd gotta agree with Western, I see this at grad school all the time

gjjd​+Western Man the alt-right really needs to stop repeating the wisdom of 50 years ago

Western Man​Asians have some of the best musicians and conductors. They can play any tune to perfection. But as well as they play the song, they will never produce a Wagner, a Beethoven, etc

gjjd​+Western Man Asians can compose. Look at the Japanese or the Koreans

Western Man​Of course they can compose. But the occasional freek who comes along every few generations and changes everything because of his brilliance will be white. This bears out in all fields.

Western Man​Nietzsche and Darwin changed humanity forever. And that’s just two. Especially Nietzsche. He was a one in a billion brain. No accident he was a white

gjjd​+Western Man we only feel that way because we are white people who love our heritage.

gjjd​It is luck that whites made these advancements, we just happened to be ahead before 1950 and we were able to pick the low-hanging fruits of science

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​thanks for killing God, Nietzsche!

Western Man​Show me two more figureheads from other races who have objectively changed our world more than the two aforementioned figures

Western Man​In beginning to think you are a crypto Asian lol

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​this is a great point, our elites were the problem then as they are now

Western Man​Your using tactical nihilism to explain away the lagging of Asians and others. And on your skyline point. Had whites not given the last half century to the construction of a multicult society,

gjjd​+Western Man As for western philosophy, it is a symptom of the weakness of whites, that we cannot make sane and stable countries, that we followed a stupid religion. So we obsess over our problems

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​notice how blacks say nothing regarding the Arab/Muslim slave trade

Western Man​We would have cities that would dwarf and overshadow the orient cities in every way. Aesthetically so and technologically so

gjjd​+Western Man but we don’t, which is the point

Western Man​Do you still maintain that we are inferior to Asians?

gjjd​I grew up around Asians, and hanged out with Asians exclusively for 2.5 years in college. It made me a race realist. Asians are wide open about their superiority to whites. I cannot disagree.

Western Man​95% of people take their views via peer pressure. You seem to be no exception here. If you still can’t see the superiority of the European people’s that is observable in history then I wish you well

Western Man​But I can’t see your mindset being of use to us in the long run

gjjd​We must understand our strengths and weaknesses to make proper strategies. It is also spiritually fulfilling to know thyself

gjjd​We can be great if we create an environment that fits our temperament. We need different cultures than other races to thrive.

Western Man​I know our weaknesses very well sir. Better than most. But I know what we are capable of. We will rule one day. As superiors to all. It’s the only way forward

gjjd​It is actually counterproductive to say things like that. We will ultimately have to deal with other races, and proclaiming that we will dominate them will screw our cause

Western Man​We are the greatest custodians of this earth. The Earth itself cries out for our stewardship

gjjd​+Western Man that is ridiculous. At this point you are just trolling

Western Man​You proclaiming our inferiority to the orient is rather more counterproductive I would say.


Western Man​Because

Western Man​I said so


Western Man​Luke to become Catholic when??

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​he might be a lost cause, but we can hope

Western Man​Seems like Luke tacitly admits buyers regret

Western Man​I want the Irish diaspora to come home. 80 million on one island. Imagine the drinking sessions

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​would quickly turn into a slugfest LOL

Western Man​The world largest brawl

gjjd​Either we all become “global citizens,” or we fall under dominance of those who do, unless we change this system

Western Man​Jews used to use Irish names back in the day

Western Man​Schlomo Murphy

Western Man​The end station is Scientology

gjjd​perhaps it is for the good that most people don’t worry about the things we do. I waste so much time feeling severe anxiety, watching podcasts like this, etc. Meanwhile, Asians don’t worry about this

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​No, it’s transjewmanism

gjjd​I always wonder if this is just OCD.

Western Man​Heidegger was right. Life is about honouring death and the nature of being

Western Man​The fact any of this is here is a strange enough fact beyond our comprehension. It’s a terrible beauty

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​alt right needs a life-affirming view

Western Man​All we can do is reach for perfection and greatness. And dance with death. As Nietzsche said, the greatest way to live is to live dangerously

Western Man​We need another great man to rise from the ashes

Western Man​A napoleon, a caesar

Western Man​A hitler

Western Man​The second coming for whites

Pepe Sells but Who’s Buying?​we need to learn to let go those who refuse to accept reality

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