Back in early 2014, I predicted that liberal Jews around the world would increasingly turn toward their old home culture of Germany for leadership, while nationalist Jews would look toward better ties with Eastern Europe. That’s more or less working out, although more with Israel aligning with rightwing Hungary and Poland than with Russia.
From the Times of Israel on Netanyahu’s meeting in Budapest with the Visegrad Alliance (Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia):
“I think Europe has to decide if it wants to live and thrive or if it wants to shrivel and disappear,” he said in a closed-door meeting whose content was accidentally broadcast to journalists outside the room. “I am not very politically correct. I know that’s a shock to some of you. It’s a joke. But the truth is the truth — both about Europe’s security and Europe’s economic future. Both of these concerns mandate a different policy towards Israel.”
During the meeting, Netanyahu also urged the leaders of Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Poland to close their borders to refugees from Africa and the Arab world, and praised the administration of US President Donald Trump for its “stronger” position on Iran and Syria. …
“If I can suggest that what comes out of this meeting is your ability, perhaps, to communicate to your colleagues in other parts of Europe: Help Europe… Don’t undermine the one Western country that defends European values and European interests and prevents another mass migration to Europe.”
The prime minister has often claimed that Israel is a bulwark preventing Europe from being flooded with refugees and migrants from Africa and the Middle East. …
Earlier, during the closed meeting, Netanyahu also expressed clear backing for the so-called Visegrad Group’s support of border fences to guard Europe from another wave of refugees from the Middle East. …
He said he believes in the free flow of goods and ideas — “but not people… Secure your borders. Secure your borders,” he urged the Eastern European leaders.
Marton Dunai and Jeffrey Heller
July 19, 2017.
BUDAPEST/JERUSALEM (Reuters) – Europe should better appreciate Israel’s key role in Middle Eastern stability, leaders of four central European nations said on Wednesday in a joint attack with Israeli premier Benjamin Netanyahu on Brussels’ current policy toward the state.
The comments were the latest example of divergence between west and east Europe, where questions of national sovereignty, migration and civic freedoms have also stirred friction. U.S. President Donald Trump lent support this month to Poland, target of criticism by the EU he has disdained, with a visit to Warsaw.
Netanyahu met the Visegrad Four leaders of Hungary, Poland, Slovakia and the Czech Republic, who backed Israel and called for an improvement in the EU’s relations with the state.
“I think Europe has to decide whether it wants to live and thrive or it wants to shrivel and disappear,” Netanyahu told the leaders of the eastern EU states behind closed doors in Budapest.
In an audio recording of the remarks obtained by Reuters, Netanyahu goes on to say: “It’s a joke. But the truth is the truth, both about Europe’s security and Europe’s economic future. And both of these concerns mandate a different policy toward Israel.”
Israel has often been criticized in Western Europe on matters such as its settlement policy. The recent closeness of Netanyahu with leaders like Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has been viewed with suspicion in the European Union.
“We’re part of European civilization. You look at the Middle East – Europe stops in Israel. That’s it.”…
The group will meet in 2018 in Jerusalem at Netanyahu’s invitation.
“The Visegrad Four shares the Israeli view that external border defense is key,” Orban told a press briefing. “Free movement of people without controls raises the risk of terror.”
Orban has been criticized in the EU for erecting a razor wire border fence and refusing to accept migrants under EU agreements, preferring “ethnic homogeneity”.
Comments at Steve Sailer:
* With official Israeli imprimatur, keeping European countries European just inched closer to acceptance among Jewish and white liberals.
* Most younger American Jews hate hate hate Israel and Bibi. The cold civil war among Jews is similar to the rest of Whites.
* If Israel had open borders, African migrants could travel through it on their way to Europe by land (or on their way to sail to Europe from further north than Africa). So Netanyahu could argue his border fence on the Sinai is a sort of bulwark for Europe.
* The future of Europe has nothing to do with its policies towards Israel. Germany is arguably the nicest nation in the world towards Israel, besides the USA, and it is being overwhelmed by non-Europeans. Come to think of it the USA is being overwhelmed by non-Europeans too.
Israel helps foment mass migration to Europe through its support of ISIS and anti-Assad forces. Just like the Gulf Arabs, Turkey, Uncle Sam and the EU, they are literally destroying the mid east nations and flooding Europe with the aftermath.
…one might make the case that the more pro-Israel one is, the more support for open borders and immigration one is. Take a look at the strongest supporters of Israel in the USA and you will probably find 60 percent or more are in support of more immigration and freer movement of peoples. And it is not confined to Jews. Neocon gentiles like McCain, Graham and a host of others all appear to be inclined for more immigration and looser border restrictions.
I know there are exceptions, but all in all more Israel-firsters and pro-Israel people in the USA are more liberal on borders and immigration for the USA while simultaneously supporting Israel’s very restrictive immigration polices to preserve her demographic condition.
* …if Jewish Left does this and if Jewish Right does that and if they don’t bash each other, they get the best of both worlds.
I think even most Jewish Left is for open borders for the West, not for Israel. And even though Israel forged closer ties with Hungary and Poland, it hasn’t denounced the massive invasion of much of Europe by Muslims and Africans.
If White Left did this and if White Right did that but if they never attacked one another and acknowledged common interests, things would be great.
Jewish Left and Jewish Right may have different strategies, but both are committed to Jewish identity and interests.
After all, the Jewish Left is for massive migration into gentile nations, not into Israel. Perhaps, Soros is an outlier, but most Liberal Jews are more like Richard Cohen or Thomas Friedman.
Even Norman Finkelstein, harshly critical of Israel as he is, isn’t for massive immigration of non-Jews into Jews. If anything, his solution for Israel-Palestinian conflict is pretty nationalist. Let Jews keep Israel, let Palestinians take West Bank.
* Heaven knows I’m no apologist for (((them))), but, as Mr. Brimelow might say, at least they brush their teeth. They don’t go ’round raping children, hewing people in the subways with axes, and flying planes into skyscrapers.
I presume that’s the connection being suggested here: they stand with the free peoples of the West just as, but for geography’s largely obviating things (for now) I expect Japan would. It’s a matter of concentric loyalties. I’m no fan of Jewry’s parasitism of we Europeans, but I’ll stand beside an Israeli any day against an African or an Arab to defend European interests. The truth is, Israel may yet prove to be crucial in inevitable wars, for the same geographical reasons that Gibraltar, Ceuta, and Melilla may be. The Kingdom of Jerusalem did much to spare Europe the horrors of the barbarians; the state of Israel may yet again.
* This is just the same good cop/bad cop entryist routine that’s been going on for millennia now. When they start supporting the right for countries to exclude Jews, then you’ll know that they’re acting in good faith. Until then, it’s just opportunism.
* Now that Bibi has mentioned this, he can move to the next step by encouraging all of Europe and British/European settler countries to adopt Israel’s immigration and demographic policies.
* I wonder what effect, if any, this unambiguous praise by the Israeli head of state for European immigration restriction will have on the white nationalist memeplex that all Jews everywhere support fully open borders for Europe but closed borders for Israel. (I suspect little if any, because at this point it’s so deeply entrenched that it would cognitively painful for many to update their views.)
* If the non-GB parts of the Anglosphere count as part of European Civilization, which it certainly seems to me as though they should be, a case can be made for Israel. It’s a tricky one. With friends like Jews, who needs enemies you might say. But on the other hand, if you are going to make enemies of the Jews you want to be sure to have a majority of the countries on your side because if not they will soon be against you. (And as Ashkenazi Jews are roughly 50% Italian by DNA, and the other not that far away (it’s not like they are SSA or East Asian), and have lived in Europe for a long time, I’d be inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. If you ask their liberal members, whether they are white depends on what’s in it for them at that given point in time, AFAICT. I think most Jews on the right would consider themselves white. And irrespective of what they consider themselves, walking down MLK BLVD at 3AM, they would be considered white.)
Is this good for the Jews? The theory evidently had been that with a Eurosphere that is increasingly European in name only and increasingly anti-European, this will work out just swell for a people that are identified as European or if Jewish, an especially pernicious type of European. In reality this is very questionable which is why I think more pragmatic people like Bibi are trying to turn the ship around.
* During the 70s and 80s, Israel got along pretty well with Apartheid South Africa and Pinochet’s Chile, which were the two most hated regimes among the European Left. Working with Poles and Hungarians who just want to keep out hostile migrants should be a lot easier for Israel.
* He strongly encouraged the US to invade Iraq. Strongly supports overthrowing Syria’s Assad. Supports Sunni KSA against Shiite crescent, despite 25+ years of Sunni terrorism in the United States.
He doesn’t seem to place much value on the lives of gentile Americans, including our servicemen. What are we, cattle?
* Why criticize Bibi for not placing much value on the lives of gentile Americans when that is not any of his duties.
Our leaders are supposed to protect America’s interests. They fail to do so.
Bibi’s duties are to protect Israel’s interests. He succeeds in doing so.
In response to your query: Yes, we are cattle!
* The culture German Jews identified with was mostly just their wishful idea of what Germany was about. That reverie ended in the 1930s when the real Germans showed us their idea of what Germany was about.
[Which occurred after Ms. Luxembourg and crew showed Germany what was in store for them.]
The Germans have changed in the meantime, but as we’re seeing, they’ve now latched onto another self-destructive madness.
* It won’t have an effect until Jews living in European nations overwhelmingly support immigration restrictions for said European nations. Having the head of Israel permit Europeans similar rights to Israelis is nice, but so long as their co-ethnics in the European world punch above their weight in promoting open borders, it probably won’t affect that meme you referenced.
* The reality of a future Muslim dominated Europe is more apparent to Israeli leaders than it is to EU leaders.
* Nationalist Jews still depend on Germany. None of the Visegrad countries can build a submarine for example.
* This is why nationalists / alt-right / whatever can be so stupid about Jews. The whole ‘they destroy our nations but preserve their own’ thing assumes a singular THEY. In fact there’s nationalist Israelis, who are quite happy for Europe to keep its identity, and diaspora progressive Jews, who aren’t. They’re not the same people! We can profitably ally with the nationalist Israelis, rather than conspirasising with fucking ellipses about jewish treachery.
* This is great news. There is no way Trump could have survived in office in conflict with both left-wing American Jews, and conservative Israeli Jews. He could have been impeached at any moment. With this kind of support from Israel Trump is perfectly safe. I was unhappy with the very cozy visit with Saudi Arabia and Israel, but now that the bigger picture is (hopefully) becoming clear … yeah, this is great!
* Looks like the Israelis are standing beside us as well, they are even giving our police the benefit of their expertise in counter-insurgency techniques:
Hmm, I wonder what they are teaching them? Lets peruse the ADL website:
Alas, ’tis unrequited love.